THREATS

XerXes,   1-     

XerXes,

1-      Stop putting words in other people’s mouth. I never declared that “West should do whatever it want”. Nothing in that sentence makes sense to me.

2-      What on earth are you talking about “Superior Race”??? What century and what world do you live in? Who said anything about “race”??? Are you OK? Do you really get into the race discussion? Because if you, let me just sum it up for you: the Aryans who built what became to be known as Iran, are from the same Indo European race as the British and other white races. Off course, throughout the history, we became a multi cultural nation, a beautiful one, so I guess you need to take a course in Anthropology 101 and History 101.

3-       The biggest favor people like you, IRI supporters, do for this regime, and the biggest disfavor you’re doing to Iran and its people, is that you JUSTIFY their action. That’s what you just did. You are justifying the actions of Islamic fascists because you’re saying they are desperate. This statement derives from the following: A – your blind hatred for the U.S has make unable to see reality. B- Your inability to understand the threat of Islamic fundamentalism. C – Your inability to understand Islamic fundamentalism.

4-      What “horrible” crimes have been committed by the Americans that deserve such “horrible” animosity by Iranians like you? Please “enlighten” me! Yes, there is an action and a reaction to every issue, and that’s my point, how reasonable and rational have our own “reactions” been?

5-      Iranians like you, who are thank god just a minority of us, have one and one reason only to talk about U.S like that : Enviousness and jealousy towards the U.S. You know it, and I know it. You aint foolin no one.

Korouh5,   Over

Korouh5,

Over simplification or over complication are two edges of the sword. None is good. I hope you don’t engage in either one anymore, like you did in your last posting.

1-     Not sure what do you mean by “being proud of U.S-brought change”? What does that even mean? You still haven’t answered my initial question which was tell me what “drastic” changes the U.S, and solely U.S, without the participation of our own people, and traditional social illnesses like illiteracy, religiousness, isolationism..and other things, caused that put Iran in the situation it’s in right now?

2-     U.S gave Iran the most advanced weaponry during the Shah time, didn’t it? IRI used all of those weapons to fight the Iraqis, didn’t it? So, lets see here..are you against U.S providing weapons? B – Why did the U.S stop supplying Iran with high tech weapons after Shah left? What changed? C- Isn’t the fact that U.S supplied Iran with high tech weapon (doesn’t matter under which regime) negate the idea that U.S “dislikes” Iranian people? Or wants Iran vanished? 

3-     Again, look at who started the animosity, and it had nothing to do with “nuclear weapons”. Tell me, isn’t Pakistan, which unlike Israel is Iran’s neighbor, a nuclear country, and its oversight and control over those weapons, unlike Israel,  are highly doubted, OK, then, why isn’t Iran not making big deal out of it? Why is Israel the only word that comes out of  IRIs mouth? Is it because Pakistan a “friend”, or an Islamic nation? OK then, stop saying that “the whole region should be nuclear free”, just say “Israel” should be nuclear free. IRI isn’t fooling anyone. Trust me my friend. Especially not fooling Iranians. The arguments your making here could fool some innocent simple American who has no idea how evil the Iranian regime is, but not us. Trust me. My personal belief is that bringing up the nuclear issue against the IRI is waste of time, the world cannot stop it, even if it wants to, unless in the process, millions of Iranians die. Unlike the Iranian regime, the world cares about the lives of Iranian people, that’s why we haven’t been attacked yet. But the IRI would not hesitate for a second to take our people hostage, as it has done for the last 30 years, in order to further its agenda. The least we can do as Iranians, is not to go to the regime and give ourselves in as hostage to be used for a regime which its brutality and savagery is unique is history.

Sa Case you make Farhad Kashani

What are you saying? That it is OK for another country to declare war when they see it fit? Or should I correct you:
It is OK for any western nations to do what they do and other countries eventually recover from it!! Moronic argument.
They don't recover from it, look at the middle east, it's not become they are the lower race (including yourself and all your Israeli citizens), it's just the situation that they see no hope therefore they become fanatics. It is the only way open to them while all other channels are closed. If the US is treated by their government, and influenced by their bosses the people would take arms and fight. In your book that would be civilized and OK, as long as they are superior race!
We have IR because of the stopped natural social movements, we still haven't recovered from that.
Unfortunately there are people who don't know and admit to it, and then there are many people such as yourself, who is so drunk about the west that don't dare to question.
Brits and Americans have done a century long damage to Iran and her neighbors, and people, who eventually become more educated about the crimes committed by these powers, hence hostile. Since they have no other means of expressing themselves, they rely on violence.
You need a course on history 101 and sociology. You need to stop making excuses for warmongers and realize that for every action there is a reaction, and for wrong actions, at the right opportunity, the most fanatics, secular or religious, would take position and all people will suffer.
It's really hurtful to see people who have lived in the west and haven't lift a finger to figure a few things, that might not be as available for them in a less free country.
People such as yourself, never consider the pride in accomplishing a social solutions to our problems and like a bagger, raise their hand to a foreign powers to bomb the country so they can return and establish wealth.

I wonder who would enjoy it more, when a pilot who is bombing the Iranian and is thinking die sand nig..rs, or people like you!
No true patriot, of any country, should ever want a foreign intervention on their soil, no matter how bad things get. That's just not right. for that matter you would be a good case study for those who justify treason and betray their country. That's exactly what those who do it think about their actions.
As I have said before, you won't get it, but hopefully this makes sense to some other Iranians who "understood" your points!

Disgrace!

Wait just one minute.

Farhad.

Let's slow down a bit here, shall we? I said many damn times that i never supported this regime nor any other facist regime for that matter. I guess your passion has acted against your best judgement
would not let you read and deduce correctly. And By the way, If you are so anti-IRI yourself, why are you so proud of recovering from all the drastic changes US brought about?
OF course that our own people played a role in this, I never denied that. BUt think about it. Who supplied Iraq with highly advanced weapons that killed and devastated millions? This is not about pushing the idea that foreign powers are to blame for what we havebeen through. This is about what they have ACTUALLY committed. You remember the war, do you not?

The animosity that you are referring to goes both ways. Yes, it all started with the hostage taking event and that was shameful enough. IRI pushed the envelope. But what is the deal with creating policies as to which countries do, or don't have the right to do certain things, case in point, nuclear technology? Again, I am not saying IRI should go so far as to develop weapons put it to irrelevant and destructing uses, But Is it righful for a country to set limits for another country's progress? does THAT make sense to you? IRI has as much right to defend itself as does the US.
As far as Facism is concerned, both regimes are like peas in the same pod, and neither one can be trusted to make the right call as to when nuclear weapons ought to be used.

Korouh5, yes I am serious.

Korouh5, yes I am serious. Tell me, what kind of “drastic” changes did the U.S brought to Iran that we yet have not been able to recover from? Look at India, it was colonized by the U.K until 50 years ago, and look at where it’s at now! Why can’t we do what they did? They were under direct, full occupation for 2 centuries, and now they are a  world power, and people like you are still beating on the outdated drum that the “English are causing all this”? When are you gonna wake up my friend?  Did we as Iranians , play a role in destroying our country too or not? Did the U.S bring monarchy to Iran, or did we  establish that 2500 years ago, and in 1979, replaced it with a much more savage, brutal and repressive form of monarchy, called velayat faghih? Get real!

On the Iraq issue, ask yourself why did the IRI regime start this blind animosity towards the U.S that causes the U.S, and others, to defend themselves? You expect the U.S to shut up and take whatever this fascist regime you support throws at them? Does that make sense to you?

XerXes, you pretty much represent exactly what is wrong with our beautiful country Iran; blind hate, incivility, enviousness, regressive outlook at the world, among others. If anyone wanted to do a case study on why things are the way they are in Iran, I will definitely refer them to take a look at you.  

haha who is talking?

Civilized world? rescue Iran? My behind.
I rather be a follower to the stupid Mullahs than the sold slave of the foreigners. I got dignity, something you need to learn. If there is a problem with Iran, it's my problem not your bosses. Get it or need more explanation? (doubt you ever get it)

Saddam and his promisses - only with a hindsight.

To answer your question about Iran's motives to reject Saddam's "peace offerings", all I can say is that Iran was facing an enemy who had unlimited support form all corners and Iran was not getting diddly squat from anyone, except some meager support from Syria. What was making it very hard for Iran to lay down arms and to accept the message(s) sent by Saddam was the fact that Iran had thrown EVERYTHING it had at him to stop Iraqi army's onslaught and it had succeeded to drive the Iraqi army back into Iraq with few miles of buffer zone separating them. Iran had NO new direct sources of arms, money and strategic support while the Arabs were giving Saddam money, the West and USSR were giving him arms and the US was giving him everything including intelligence support and, even aerial photos of Iranian positions! No rational decision maker would have been able to accept any "peace offer" from its arch enemy under those uncertain and precarious conditions.
As for what the mollahs gained I would say, plenty. The mollahs gained valuable time to build up their despotic regime, concentrate all economic and wealth-building activities in "bonyads" run by their cronies, and above all, brutally eliminate the political opposition to their repressive rule and institutionalize repression by shoving their constitution which established the "velayat-e faghih". I can't see any gain bigger then that courtesy of the US and the West. As we all saw Saddam got his reward and the akhonds are now trying to decide on the "conditions" they want to negotiate with the US and Europe. Net result: the Iranian people lost and the akhonds won, big time.

Thanks!

Dear Xerxes

I received all your accusations and insults. It might come to you as a surprise that I was expecting such an irrational and childish reaction from a fellow Iranian, and only from an "Iranian fellow".
I'd like to express my deepest gratitude for helping me prove my point so easily.
You see; there is, in fact, no verifiable evidence that Iranian authorities inside Iran,regardless of the level of their so-called education,their age and experience are able to react, or interact, more maturely, than you've done, should a critical situation arise. Adding an A-bomb to Iranians' characteristic arsenal of hasty judgement and paranoiac behavior will only make the world a much worse place to be.
Iran has to be, and hopefully will be,overhauled by the civilized world.

With Best Regards

Xerexes: Why do you think

Xerexes: Why do you think you're Iranian??? How can you support a blood thristy, criminal, violent, murdersous, fascist government like the IRI and call yourself Iranian or a human being for that matter?

Do you think Iran only belongs to religious Islamic fundamentalist nutcases who put Islam first before their country such as yourself?

Your so-called revolution was manufactured by the Great Satan and your beloved Khomeini received help from European and American Imperialist to destroy Iran on their behalf.

Islamic Republic is more foreign and anti-Iranian than any foreign nation; friend or foe.

Good article

Unfortunately the decisions are mostly made by those uneducated (Regionally) warmongers. Let's see if the more logical part of the US system takes over this (Bush style) regime!

wow

Now we see who is the real threat to the world, just look at the pro Israelis in this site. Some even suggest wiping Iran out! huh. Interesting. Let the fools come out themselves. Iranians, take note about these people who are against IR. Look what you got to look forward to!!!
Couple of points:

F Kashani, don't call Iran your country where you are aligning yourself with a foreign power to "fix" "your country" problem. Just be a man and support Israel, your true country. You ain't foolen no one

Rokgoo, we revolted to have people "khod forukhteh" such as yourself removed from Iran. I prefer to have 1000 more Islamic Republic than nocheh susul's who align themselves with F Kashani and guess who else? ZION against their own ham mihan. ZION, I mean do I need to say more?

You still haven't realized that if IR is your enemy, Israel and US are not your friends. You don't even have the "guts" to stand up for anything you believe and therefore hide behind the bully and throw slogans

You guys are like those chubby selfish kids in school whose face is full of stained chocolate and cake. You are ultimately the losers. The bully won't be there to protect you forever.

Where is your decency and Iranian pride? To think that someone else would do your "dirty" job for you is a shame for any society. You are absolutely a disgrace to Iranians.

Iranians who live inside want the Nuclear technology, you are NO ONE to tell them otherwise.
By the way, the super powers, whether they like it or not, can not stop Iran, because they know it's ultimately the will of the people that they need to deal with, and that my friend, can't be bombed.
Take that to your graves.

Oh please! get serious

Farhad

wow. are you serious? IN no way shape or form?? Regardless of the role US and UK played in bringing about all these changes in iran to begin with? Not considering the massive help Iraq got to invade iran and kill our brothers and sisters? You don't consider those as factors? all goes out the window right?

Emotion vs Logic

That is True indeed, But in what context? When you are innocent and it has been confirmed that developing weapons aren't and can't even be in your near future agenda and when you are the subject of constant threat of an imminent invasion, what Logic are you going to implement? roll around and play dead?
Using a harsh word such as "barbarous" to refer to iran make me wonder if and how much you really love iran. You are not even bothering to set the country and its rulers apart. Perhasps its those vicious mollahs that are the ones you should point your guns toward?

Mr. Greenwald: Please read this!

The peace offering that you are referring to had been the topic of in-depth discussions among the Iranian military and civilian authorities. The conclusion was that Saddam was making those offers to save its skin. I'm neither a military expert nor a historian, but even I can differentiate between a "peace offer" and a peace treaty. A peace offer, a ceasefire, an armistice or a cessation of hostilities do not mean peace.

The Iranians had concluded that Saddam needed a break to regroup, rearm and start attacking Iran again. The issue has been written about and discussed in Iran extensively. Iran was afraid that Saddam wasn't serious, the USSR, the Arabs and the US were all helping him financially, militarily and Yasser Arafat was the go between!

Shahdooneh: Can you tell me what the mullahs gained by refusing Sadaams "not-so-authentic" peace offer???BTW, thank you for your honesty.

Iran was afraid that Saddam wasn't serious...

On what grounds?? Many Iraqis won't agree with you. According to Iraqis, Saadam made numerous offers not just one; it is all documented and will eventually surface.

The IRI is a congenitally paranoid entity like Israel...their irrational fear had cost millions more in lives and in treasure for 6 more years than necessary.

Imagine, if the IRI was a rational actor and valued lives more than their own survival. Any reasonable government should have given Sadam's peace offer a chance while placing other contingency plans in case the peace offering was not a genuine one. But we will never know if the peace offering was real or not, will we??

Mr. Greenwald, If you were an Iranian and your government had extened the war 6 more years for absolutely no gain out of sheer paranoi, how would you have reacted? Wouldn't you be outraged if your government had not given potential peace a chance??? Isn't that why America hates Bush and want him gone. Why not want the same thing for Iranians. We want the IRI gone too.

IRI is a predator not a protector. The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

Korouh5, I dont want

Korouh5, I dont want innocent Iranians killed or my country getting bombed either, but in no way, shape or form, the issues of terrorism and clash of civilizations and the constent war mongering in Tehran, is anyone else's fault but the fascist regime in Iran.

Not Trustworthy

Dear Kouroshs

When emotions fly,reason and logic get grounded.

Proliferation of nuclear arms, is not the logical reaction to the failure of universal nuclear disarmament.
Pakistan and to a lesser degree India, thanks to her political infrastructure, are part of the problem; adding another barbarous country, such as Iran, to this skewed equation will not lead us to an acceptable solution.

Oh really? says who???

Rokgoo.

Of course there is such a thing. IT is and always will be a right. As in RIGHT. You want to talk about a civilized world? You'd better start all the way from the top. If you think that is a Privilege, Then that is one such privilege those countries have not earned.

And yes, It makes a big difference how you define such a world. A world where ISrael and US and UK politicians set the policies and won't give a hoot as to what everybody else wants is not the defenition of a Civilized world.
And I am supporting such rights precusely because of the point that you brought up, Namely the concept and dangers associated with
تیغ در دست زنگی مست .
You know what the problem is? It is not about a nation's right to nuclear expansion, rather it is the fact that you base your opinions on setting countries apart on the basis of the Third world countries vs the rest of the world.
Why should US And Israel and India and pakistan have access to such technology and not Iran? what makes them any more trustworthy than iran's regime? I am not a backer of The IRI but this is just a question of fairness.
Why should we not have the immediate and necessary means of defending our people and a possible retaliation?

Shahdooneh: You sound like

Shahdooneh: You sound like an official spokesperson for IRI? Were you ever in the Islamic Republic's IRGC??

False Claim

Shadooneh

You have somehow attacked Sunnis, or real moslems.

I only tell you how full of it you Shias are when you believe that Allah has kept one man alive for centuries.
Like a can of frozen food in a divine freezer.
You ignorant s....

brownpeoplewhatever, If you thing the Iranians should have...

taken Saddam's "peace offers" seriously, then you are the biggest sucker who ever lived on either side of the Karun river! A peace offer does not mean peace between the parties, specially if it comes from a tyrant who had just lost the initiative and his army was defeated, pushed back and was playing defense. The peace offering that you are referring to had been the topic of in-depth discussions among the Iranian military and civilian authorities. The conclusion was that Saddam was making those offers to save its skin. I'm neither a military expert nor a historian, but even I can differentiate between a "peace offer" and a peace treaty. A peace offer, a ceasefire, an armistice or a cessation of hostilities do not mean peace. The Iranians had concluded that Saddam needed a break to regroup, rearm and start attacking Iran again. The issue has been written about and discussed in Iran extensively. Iran was afraid that Saddam wasn't serious, the USSR, the Arabs and the US were all helping him financially, militarily and Yasser Arafat was the go between! The IRI has many warts but being stupid and willing to compromise Iranian territorial integrity aren't part of that. You reveal your utter lack of understanding of international affairs when you base your argument about Iran's conditions for starting the negotiations with the US on what an "adviser" to Ahmandinejad has expressed as his opinion about the matter. I hope that you understand statements like that are not policy unless they are officially announced by authorized channels involved in the negotiations. Just as the White House or the State Dept. spokespersons officially announce the US administration's policies about various subjects. The IRI may have been wrong and their decision cost many lives, but there was nothing to give the IRI any assurance that Saddam would not restart the war this time better equipped by Iran's enemies. Maybe you need to read about how decision were made rather than putting out snide remarks and lecturing others. I'm wondering why you're bothered by the non-existing "Shia kingdom"? Last time I checked bunch of Salafi, Wahhabis and King Hossein-typs were using nonsense term like that, and they are ALL Iran's sworn enemies.

... hear Jerusalem bells are

... hear Jerusalem bells are ringing
Roman Cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can not explain
Once you know there was never, never an honest word
That was when I ruled the world
(Ohhh)

It was the wicked and wild wind
Blew down the doors to let me in.
Shattered windows and the sound of drums
People could not believe what I'd become
Revolutionaries Wait
For my head on a silver plate
Just a puppet on a lonely string
Oh who would ever want to be king? used to rule the world
Seas would rise when I gave the word
Now in the morning I sleep alone
Sweep the streets I used to own

I used to roll the dice
Feel the fear in my enemies eyes
Listen as the crowd would sing:
"Now the old king is dead! Long live the king!"

One minute I held the key
Next the walls were closed on me
And I discovered that my castles stand
Upon pillars of salt, and pillars of sand

coldplay

A Privilege Only

Dear Kouroshs

There is no such a thing as "a right to initiate and expand nuclear activity". Civilized world, no matter how we define it, should not, and hopefully will not extend such a privilege to any "third-world" country any more. Having nuclear Pakistan, or India for that matter, in that region is more than enough.
I hope you are familiar with the concept and dangers associated with
تیغ در دست زنگی مست

No racial slur intended.
Thank you.

Fool yourself

Iranian people were in fact the brainwashed front runners of the Islamic revolution, a wishful Brzezinski's Green Belt. Our parents could not believe Islam was what it was until they paid for the experience with their lives and freedom. Now many Iranians are aware and dig the founding documents and history about Islam. So, they can no longer remain silent, it took a whole generation and thanks to the IRI to correct their old mindset.

The enemy is not neocon Yankees, colonial Brits or any other foreign pirates, the enemy sits on the boat among the innocent people and still impose its colonial-interested Islam at any costs. It is still hard, too hard, to believe that after about 14 centuries our ancestors carried an Islamic yoke.

Mohammed's concept could at best be fine for his bedouin people, but submission to Allah and believing in Mohammad-al Rasulallah is the yoke we carried for all these submissive centuries.

now, most Iranians know that Mohammad is not a prophet of God--if exists? He was a self promoting thief and murderer or a charlatan.

Killing people because they don't believe, in his "Ressalet" (prophecy) is "unacceptable" even for some revisionist Muslims.

Islam is unacceptable because it requires believers to prove they are believers by killing and dying. in the case Nazism was the best Islam's light and if the West does not think so, it should not defeat Nazism.

But stooges of such an Islam are not only bearded and filthy fanatics, they are also some paid grassroots with secular look and certificate from Western universities. Under the cover of "anti-war-campaign", with patriotic slogans and re-baptized Persian names, and fooling harmless critics on the regime, they are full-time active to serve Mollahs' agenda. They are worse than any idiot fanatics. And average Iranians would tell them: fool yourself!

Persia sucks

You are so full of BS, Iran shows cartoons glorifying becoming a suicide bomber not to mention the Quds force supports almost every terror group in the middle east. Israel rules, look what they have accomplished in their short existance as a country. What dose Iran have to show the world besides a nut job president and a fanatical government.

On the contrary

Farhad

The world has seriously realized that possibility, yet the challenge is that everyone is trying to seek the most democratic and peaceful way to combat this problem.

rokgoo.

Iran and every nation or according to you every "backward" nation in the world Must maintain the right to initiate and expand its nuclear capabilities. That is an inalienaeble right. what tips the balance however, is to what extent the superpowers are willing to yank the chain of the weaker countries, and to provoke them to use that newly gained nuclear power for all the wrong reasons.

Mr. Greenwald: you can start

Mr. Greenwald: you can start learning about Iran-Iraq war by reading a book authored by an Iranian veteran of that who is still alive. Why don't you interview him and learn.

BTW, did you know that the Islamic Republic has only been in existence for the past 30 years? So, if Iran has not attacked any other country for the past 200 years, it is not due to existence of IRI.

You can argue that the Islamic Republic, in fact, has been engaged in warmongering and proxy wars with the West,Israel, and Iraq since it's very inception.

//iranian.com/main/node/42850

Mr. Greenwald, is that

Mr. Greenwald, is that really you posting this blog??

I highly recommend that you visit the Iranian.com more often and read the comments and articles past and future to really learn a thing or two about Iran,its history, IRI, so-called revolution, etc. Your regurgitation of what the Iranian lobbyists have fed you is going to cost both our countries dearly.

It turns out the White House is not the only one with demands that need to be met before it will come to the negotiating table. Mahdi Kalhor, a key advisor to Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for media and cultural affairs, has announced that the regime in Tehran will not be willing to enter into negotiations with Washington until two things happen: American forces leave the Middle East, and the United States ends its support for the state of Israel. -

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BTW, why do you think that you're an expert on Iran and Michael Rubin is not?

What do you think about the articles below?

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If you're truly interested in what's good for Iran and the Iranian people vs the IRI, you need to learn a lot more about Iran. If you're only interested in what's good for the US then we have nothing further to talk about.

Bombing Iran will not help either the US or Iran nor does whitewashing of the Islamic Republic's foreign policy goals and history of hegemonic aspiration. By that, I'm referring to the war of choice of Khomeini to liberate Jerusalem and add Karbala (the holiest shia city in the world) to his shia kingdom despite of peace offers by Sadaam two years after the start of the war.

Straight Talk

Bombing Iran is no longer a choice, but a necessity. All liberal voices which propagate a peaceful approach towards "Iranian Question" are dangerously avoiding the bigger global picture in which every backward nation, such as Iran, would have nuclear armament.
The issue of "Iranian nuclear capability" is, without a doubt, beyond its potential importance for the state of Israel. Meaning; with or without Israel on board Iran's nuclear activity should be wiped out.

This shows how the policies

This shows how the policies of this country (the U.S.) is manipulated by the powerful influence groups. When McCain talks about "country first", he means Israel. Obama also has to prove his unquestionable commitment to the Zionist influence by putting the interests of Israel above the interests of the United States of America. Unfortunately, until the majority of Americans realize to whom their leaders sell themselves and where their tax money goes (and for what purpose), this vicious game continues. The best strategy is to educate people and reveal the facts to the public through articles like this.

Thanks Glenn for posting!

Instead of blaming the world

Instead of blaming the world all the time for the problems the IRI causes, have you thought about the possibility that its the IRI that initiates conflict because of its war mongering nature? Thats just a simple question without even getting into the details.