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Mammad, I found you to

Mammad, I found you to conduct yourself in a much more civilized fashion than most other leftists I’ve seen do. Because of that, you earned my respect (Although I’m unhappy about a few strong words you used against me previously!)..but ready to let that go!

I definitely disagree with you with regards to your argument. I think America as a country, has contributed great things to world civilization, possibly like no other superpower in the history (Maybe with the exception of the Persian empire during Cyrus the great, and I’m not saying that cause I’m Iranian!). During and post WWII, it defeated Communism and Nazism, thus saving and freeing hundreds of millions of lives. It has inspired the self liberation culture which has changed the attitudes and laws of countries all around the world to become more humane and democratic. It created technologies that made our lives tremendously easier (just look at the Internet). It is, by far, the biggest foreign aid donor, the biggest U.N donor, and its investments helped tens of millions of people in China, India and elsewhere get out of poverty..and the list goes on.

Offcourse it made mistakes, I don’t think even the rightest of the right wingers would deny that, but the biggest difference between me and you is you blame our own people’s mistakes in 1953 and 1979 on others, specially the U.S, while I dissected the issue to find out that we had and have some serious socio political issues that still have not been resolved. We made mistakes and we should take responsibility for it. Shah was 100% Iranian, so was Khomeini. Even if we accept your argument and believe that they “sold” the country, we need to find out why an Iranian would that? Aren’t we the most over-pride people in the world? So, where does this come from?

Regards.  

if they are here, so much the better (to YL)

YL says "By the way, from the highly American'ized English I've seen posted by the "Pro-Iranian" posters this website seems to be to be an odd experiment in Psy-Ops by the US State Department or DoD."

YL, AIPAC supporters are here and I believe that is great, if DOD/IDF guys and US State Department are here that is fantastic, if CIA and Mossad guys are here that is superb!
..... IF more of those guys come here there is more chance that we can have an impact on what happens (note the word IF).
I could care less if the devil himself (uncle Dick) is behind the show .... all I care is that guys like Mammad are posting here and their sound and objective arguments may, JUST may, prevent another madness potentially worse than the ones that Dick and George and AIPAC have started.

That is true Mammad, but the

That is true Mammad, but the American people don't give a damn about history. You should know that living here. The vast majority of Americans are not college educated and even those that are, know NOTHING about Middle Eastern history and America's role. All they is that Iran is EVIL...part of THE AXIS OF EVIL (shiver- cue sinister music).

Haven't you seen the movie "300"???? That Frank Miller movie (which he openly acknowledged had a political message) expressed the sentiment of most Americans about "The Persian hordes" of Islamofascists (as Bush called them) who Americans believe are dead set on destroying America and Israel (GOd's chosen people according to right wing Christian Southern Baptists and other Christian fundies).

McCain right now basically wants Iran's leadership to get on their knees and kiss his and Israel's ass by saying, "I'm sorry" to Israel. Anyone knowing Middle Eastern cultures knows that both Greeks, Turks, Persians, Pakistanis, and Arabs would rather eat their own testicles before bowing to "kafr" demands.

Obamma is nothing like Carter. He might very well go to war with Iran under pressure from the hawks in his party and Repbublican party (and Israel).
But he also is willing to meet face to face with the Iranian leadership which I think is what a true leader should do. Real leaders look in the eyes of their enemies face to face and do not cower behind secretaries of state and other diplomats. The goal of a true military commander is to win a war without shedding a drop of blood. Such should be the goal of any commander in chief. This begins by understanding one's enemy. Iranians should take the note of the same. Understand the dynamics of American politics and cultures and they would understand the great peril Iran is facing.

By the way, from the highly American'ized English I've seen posted by the "Pro-Iranian" posters this website seems to be to be an odd experiment in Psy-Ops by the US State Department or DoD. The ability to post "anonymously" is a dead giveaway to spotting and tracking potential pro-Iranian cells within the United States. Put forth some Islamic based theological arguements if you want it to look more authentic.
Moderators, you can edit this last paragraph out if you want.

I actually don't particularly like or dislike Yahudis by the way. I was just bored.

Eureka ( Mammad)

Eureka!
-best regards

Mammad & Farhad

My compliments to the both of you on your comments.

Farhad Kashani

I agree with the main premise of your argument, namely, that the motivation for criticizing something is as important as the criticism itself.

My late father told me, when I was only 15, that, "it is not just what people say, but also why they say it and who they are that are important."

But, for a man like me who has spent most of his adult life in the United States, has made his career here, and has a family here, the only and the most important reason for the criticism is constructive not destructive. In other words, whether anybody likes it or not, I am a citizen of this country who likes to see his adopted country be respected. However, since WW II the US has been acting as an imperial power, just like the Soviet Union. Unlike you, I believe that, with very few exceptions, the US foreign policy has been totally destructive since WW II, including towards my native land Iran.

Ayatollah Khomeini and his followers used anti-Americanism to the hilt for their own purpose, but the fact remains that what the US did in 1953 left a deeply bitter taste in Iranian people's mouth for at least a generation. In other words, neither Ayatollah Khomeini nor anyone else can use anti-Americanism unless there is actually a fertile background for it. Things are not created in a vacuum. Same thing is true about Iraq or Vietnam and many other places.

Mammad

Mammad, since America is

Mammad, since America is the world punching bag because it is the sole superpower, different people will have different reasons to love it or hate it.

For example, Khomeini and Chirac both criticized America. However, Khomeini was obsessed with anti Americanism, he bashed anything that had to do with America, he called its people “immoral” and “Kafar” and “corrupt”, and he trashed its culture, economics, politics, ,,and everything else. Chirac however, disagreed with Bush’s foreign policy (Although he sent troops to Afghanistan after 9/11 along with U.S army), and as result, Chirac was viewed extremely favorably by many staunch anti American people, although he himself wasn’t one.  Khomeini had problem with the existence of America, Chirac didn’t.

Most people around the world opposed U.S intervention in Iraq and some other U.S foreign policy initiatives, for reasons I’m not gonna get into, but, at the same time, most people are not “Anti American”, including most Iranians (Although undoubtedly, Bush’s mistakes have helped shrink that population!). Most people realize what America truly represents and what favorable things it has done, or simply, they don’t carry this irrational hatred that a small minority of Iranians have. Just ask the Europeans, Japanese, Chinese, Indians, and others.

So what we need to realize is who and why is anti America, and to what extent is this anti Americanism goes. Is it rational? Is it excessive? Is it logical? And most importantly, is it benefiting our people? From what Soraya writes, she is definitely anti American, not just anti Bush, or anti U.S government, or anti U.S policy. She belongs to that small minority.

 Khomeini and the IRI, has sacrificed a whole country for an illogical and irrational hatred towards U.S, derived from fundamentalist views and enviousness to U.S power. The number of times IRI officials use the word “America” in their speeches, and the extent they relate every little thing in Iran and the World to America, is nothing short of a mental illness. No other government or group behaves like that, no one, not even the Arabs, or Japanese, or Vietnamese, or Europeans, or Africans, only the IRI acts like that, even Hamas spokesman said they are waiting for the day that U.S, by being fair and just, takes its world leadership role back. Considering CIAs manpower, budget, ability, conspiracy creativity capabilities (!!), the U.S is only able to carry out maybe 10% of all the conspiracy theories created by Islamists and leftists!! Also, considering that most Iranians are pro U.S that is only one, out of numerous examples, that shows how much IRI is a legitimate regime.

There is difference between why Michael Moore criticizes America and why Mesbah Yazdi does. One does it because he loves America, and believes in its democratic system, and wants to make it better; the other will not be satisfied until he sees America, including its people, vanished, and will do everything and anything in its power, no matter how limited, to work towards fulfilling that desire.

Anonymousirooni, others

Thank you all for your thoughtful response to my honest response which, clearly, touched some nerves.

I rest my case as to why I do not post my articles on this site with my full name.

Mammad

Anonymous irani

Thank you for your insightful comment.

Mammad

Bijan A M

 After calling me a man without integrity and disingenuous, you also demand that I "prove" to you that I actually do what I say I do? You do not think that you expect too much?

Soraya can respond to you if she wants, but, as someone who knows her well, I know that she does not insult the American public, but criticizes the Bush Administration and the American foreign policy. There are, in fact, tens of millions of Americans who feel the same way, not to mention hundreds of millions outside the US, if not billions (out of 6 billion people on earth). But, just because we were born outside the US, we do not have the same right?

The same for me. If you could point out to me one instance that I insulted the American public, then I shut up.

To the contrary, in a recent comment on this site I said, "I am grateful to the great American nation...."

Your response is exactly why I do not want to post articles on Iranian.com. It seems that you and people like you have a problem with people expressing their opinion honestly. In the last comment that you wrote in response to me, you said, "I have never seen any dishonesty in what you write." What happened? Just because I said I do not want to post my articles here made a "revolution" in you?

Fine. Think of me anyway you wish. That is your right and I respect it. I do not call you names, even though your last comment and the present one are totally contradictory. 

Mammad

I wonder...

I wonder how many of these geniuses who claim to be in touch with iranians and know all about everything were equally wise in 1979 to oppose the disastrous islamic revolution, not to welcome a 7th century mulla imported from najaf, not to march after him, not to salute him, not to cheer his first achievement which was mass murder of army officers after doctor yazdi's kangaroo Inquisition of them.

Or is it that they don't care about or maybe do not understand the severity of consequences of mistakes they made in 1979 and still continue to consider themselves to be the wise men who know what is good for the degenerate iranians who after all need a middle man between them and their god to tell them what to do in everything from how to dress to how to spend their country's wealth (for arab causes).

Oh, you are so chic...!

I find many people who read this site to be so out of touch, disconnected from the realities of Iran.

Where have you been in the past 30 years that have become so "in touch" with iranian people? Have you been living in downtown Abarghou or right here in the comfort of your western life after you marched after your Emam who knew everything so much better than shah only if shah would go so he can torture, oppress, kill, and rob in such novel ways that shah was never able to do; that redefined the fascism in ways that turned the shah into a saint whom some 80% of iranians long for nowadays and wish him rest in peace. I bet you have not heard about this recent poll in iran!

I find the American public far more reasonable, rational, and open minded than the typical reader of this site.

You are indeed so chic, but you are right; only americans who have not lived under either shah or islamic republic can still buy into 1970s rhetorical antiquity. But you also do not know that americans are far more patriotic than iranians who so easily sold "iran" on a gold plater to their religion or leftist ideologies.

First you say that you are in touch, as if you have been living in downtown Abarghou all your life, and then iranians do not buy into your advanced arguments because you are the only one who has been educating yourself all your life in the middle of Champs E'lysees.

I have news for you: understanding deadly mistakes of the deceitful islamic revolution and islamic fascism that followed it is not rocket science, neither does it need any "touch". For iranians who have been hanged by cranes, tortured in evins, raped in prison cells, robbed of their lives and basic freedoms, or thrown into exile for the past 30 years by the very same people who had been screaming about petty authoritarian rule of shah for decades before the devilish revolution of 1979 . Every iranian cab driver, let he/she be in tehran or new york understands it quite well as he/she feels the pain that islamic republic and its supporters have caused him/her on every single day for the past 30 years.

the republican achievements! (Kashani)

Kahsni_jAn, the writer of this article is a republican. So let's respect him and talk about the achievements of the republicans. Needless to say that AIPAC should also be given credit for these achievements. Here are some that I can think of:

--Seriously troubled economy...

--A war that is at best in a damage control phase (Iraq war)

--A war that is not going well at all (Afghan war)

--A war that was lost (Lebanon 2006 attack)

--Several trillion $ wasted on regime change theories!

--Lots of scandals (Wolfowitz, Libby, Ganzo, ...)

...... and the 935 lies.

Anonym7, there is only one

Anonym7, there is only one party we need to focus one: Fascist Islamic regime of Iran. Even you know how demonic this regime is, but according to your own words, you won't talk about them. Thats just sad. If we want our respect back, our country back, our dignity back, our freedom back, if we want no war on Iran, if we want to live in peace with the world and with ourselves, the regime must GO.

Mammad salaam.....

I finally had a chance to follow this controversial thread and specifically your comments. I have learned a lot and appreciate many of the posts. It would be great if you could provide the links to articles you have published criticizing IRI in defense of human right.I don’t post often because of my situation and the time it takes to compose a semi comprehensible response. But, I am interested enough to follow some of the debates that I have some passion about. And, sometimes I feel so stimulated in a political sense that I will make time to express my view point, even though it may be bombarded from left and right.

I respect everyone’s opinion but have zero tolerance for insult (direct or indirect). Name calling to me is not an insult, underestimating my intelligence and fabricating opinions and prejudices as facts is an insult.  You lost every bit of respect that I had for you by one single statement: 

“(ii) quite frankly, I find the American public far more reasonable, rational, and open minded than the typical reader of this site.”

You lost respect not because you are insulting me who is a typical reader of this site, but because of your lack of integrity.  You come out in defense of anyone (like Soraya) who trashes American public to make an anti-american statement, but you call the same public rational and open minded to receive your anti-american, pro status-quo in current affairs of IRI. I am not calling you an IRI supporter, but you are disingenuous and lack the integrity to state your views honestly and without hiding your prejudices behind some interpretation of historical events and presentation of some factual statements.

In my opinion, you and Anonymous8 (not putting you on the same boat) share one characteristic and that is being full of yourselves. It is either your interpretation, or no interpretation. Of course you two have different styles in demonstrating this characteristic.  I am sorry if my post doesn’t live up to your standards of being supported by references and quotes from scholars, or famous Journalist. It is just an opinion (not a factual statement).   

Irrationally yours,  

Bijan

anonym 8: Dream on that

anonym 8: Dream on that mammad is the most knowledgable...he is an invertebrate that does not even believe in himself; hence, not publishing his articles on this site...

BTW, have you ever tried to debate based on merit instead of persoanl attacks and name calling? All you offer on this site are canned talking points of the left, insults, and persoanl attacks. I'm beginning to think that you know exactly what you're doing; Your goal is to derail the real debate by injecting vapid vitriolic...

Wow...

So now I'm this and that, and so on.

Go apply for a job at Disney......I'm sure you'll fit in perfectly in FantasyLand.

You simpleton, it's never been about me. It's always been about Iran. But what do you think Iran is made of?

ALL of us. Even YOU.

Let's focus on republicans instead of mammad

Hey extremist gentlemen, I am not a Muslim, however one does not need to have Mammd's ideology to realize that he is not only the most knowledgeable and objective poster in this site, he is one of the most tolerant ones.
Bullying him will just discredit you guys more and more, even if the self appointed God Father keeps admiring you several times per article!
Now let's talk about enormous damage the republicans (such as the writer) have done to U.S and the world past several years!

Mammad jan with all due

Mammad jan with all due respect, you don't publish your articles for Iranians because Iranians are not naive like the American left...and they call you on your inaccuracies regarding everything Iranian. Is it that painful for you to realize or admit that you might have been wrong on some issues? why should it be painful for you to be challenged by others who disagree with your prescriptions for Iran or any other disagreements???

Mammad

This is the second time you have said the following:

"(ii) quite frankly, I find the American public far more reasonable, rational, and open minded than the typical reader of this site."

Then, why do you take the trouble of reacting to people's posts or comments on this site, at all? AND end up getting so embittered?

One very insignificant question: If as you claim, the American public were so reasonable, rational and open-minded, why would they end up with G.W. Bush, whom you love to criticize so pssionately, twice in the White House? Is it ONLY because the voters didn't get to read your articles?

Maybe America needs an "Assembly of Experts," as well. Just like the one Iranians have under IRI.

The above statement proves how little you have learned about Americans in the past thirty years you have spent in the U.S.

hahahaha rooto beram Kaveh jan!

So you just state the "topic" and then spend 90% of your post throwing monkey feces at me but mostly talking about yourself: "I'm this... I'm that... I'm better, I know more..."

And then you have the gall to say I go off topic? You have the roo to say that I am the "narcissist"?

You piss and moan that I'm disturbed because I want to take revenge upon unborn grandchildren.

No, I don't believe I did either. I however, do question your sanity because of this stupid, angry and insane statement. It really should be questioned.

Just ask yourself, are you capable of any objective thought having that much hate, anger and selfishness within you? If you were on any jury in American you would be kicked out in the first 5 minutes without your $20 allowance. Now you pass judgment for 70 Million people? Why don't you go home, take a cold shower and then come talk to me when you can control your anger.

Of course I was affected negatively by the revolution. Unlike your sorry ass, I was also affected very negatively by sanctions and 8 years of US-backed war. But this isn't about me. I'm not por-roo enough to make it all about myself.

PS. It's simple: If you want to stay on topic, don't go off it. It's called basic consistency.

Anonymous Observer, Mamad is saying the following....

You need to be very careful when you read Islamic Leftist propaganda.

For example he says:

1) "My goal is to provide balanced information to the American public, not the Iranian community"

Balanced information does not mean truthful or honest information. Fox news says its balanced as well. Do we think fox is "balanced" in all honesty? And "not the Iranian Community". Do you know why he does not want to do it for the "Iranian Community"? Because the "Iranian Community" fell for his misinformation and bad analysis 30 years ago and as a consequence (like himself) became part of "Iranian American Community". He looks down on us because we do not want to hear what we heard 30 years ago. Do you blame us?

2) "I find many people who read this site to be so out of touch, disconnected from the realities of Iran"

This is coming from someone (Mr. Mammad) who is advocating that the IRI should be changed from within and this change can not happen because of outside pressures on the IRI. He claims that Khomeini was a "lefty" that Khomeini had "progressive" ideas.

Now, under these conditions, would you take his articles seriously if he actually posted them for us?

What a confused joke?

I find many people who read this site to be so out of touch, disconnected from the realities of Iran.

What is this "touch" exactly that some are out of it?

Why is it that those who staged a fraudulent coup in 1979 or fooled by likes of khomeini or had hidden unholy agendas to replace a "semi-decent" regime with a "totally indecent" brutal regime, a thousand times worse than shah's regime in every negative aspects and totally void of any positives of shah's regime, still claim that only they have all the answers after their costly goof-up of 1979 that others who fully empathize with people of iran do not see? The holy bogus cult of islam or the holier failed Marxism?

After complaining about american interference and bitching about their democracies, now "I find the American public far more reasonable, rational, and open minded than the typical reader of this site" as it has become the convenient way of evading rejection of fossilized ideologies of 1970s (mixed with fossilized ideologies of 7th and 19th centuries) by those who feel 30 years of nothing but fraud and deception.

LOL!

Anonymous Observer, Mamad is saying the following....

You need to be very careful when you read Islamic Leftist propaganda.

For example he says:

1) "My goal is to provide balanced information to the American public, not the Iranian community"

Balanced information does not mean truthful or honest information. Fox news says its balanced as well. Do we think fox is "balanced" in all honesty? And "not the Iranian Community". Do you know why he does not want to do it for the "Iranian Community"? Because the "Iranian Community" fell for his misinformation and bad analysis 30 years ago and as a consequence (like himself) became part of "Iranian American Community". He looks down on us because we do not want to hear what we heard 30 years ago. Do you blame us?

2) "I find many people who read this site to be so out of touch, disconnected from the realities of Iran"

This is coming from someone (Mr. Mammad) who is advocating that the IRI should be changed from within and this change can not happen because of outside pressures on the IRI. He claims that Khomeini was a "lefty" that Khomeini had "progressive" ideas.

Now, under these conditions, would you take his articles seriously if he actually posted them for us?

programmer Craig and Kaveh

programmer Craig and Kaveh jaan, good postings.

Some people are just incapable or unwilling to accept the truth because they’ve been blinded by ideology. Anonymos8 is one of them. The truth has been in front of them for 30 years now, and all they do is link reality to conspiracy theory and outdated political rhetoric. They are also unwilling to accept the fact that Iranians inside of Iran reject their IRI apologizing stance. They think just because the world turned against Bush after the Iraq war, they, somehow find the IRI a “victim”. They can’t understand that the same movements who oppose Bush and his policies, hold much more greater opposition to fascist regimes like Iran. They can’t see that the countdown has started for the fall of the Mullah regime. That fall is happening because Iranian people have been awakened and they got the support of people like us.  

Anonymous 7

I mean it makes you happy to see me write about Israeli mistakes.

Anonymous Observer

I do not post my articles on Iranian.com for two reasons:

(1) My goal is to provide balanced information to the American public, not the Iranian community, about what is happening in Iran, its nuclear program, and its political developments. This is because, (i) the American public can influence the policy of the United States towards Iran, and (ii) quite frankly, I find the American public far more reasonable, rational, and open minded than the typical reader of this site.

(2) To be honest - and I absolutely positively do not mean any disrespect towards anyone - I find many people who read this site to be so out of touch, disconnected from the realities of Iran, that I do not think that it would serve any useful purpose to post an article here.

I comment here on some articles, and usually am attacked either as an IRI supporter, or leftist, or Islamic leftist, etc. I say one thing, but those who do not like what I say change its meaning in astonishing ways just to make their point. Some people pick on me regardless of what I say.

Under these conditions, I prefer to remain "Mammad" and comment.

Mammad

You Want Topicality?

No problem.

TOPIC: Barack Obama, if elected, will have an administration that will for all intents and purposes, be the ideological equivalent of a 2nd term for Jimmy Carter, had he been re-elected in 1980.

Your response to those who disagree with your opinion for whatever reason:

"You're retarded, mentally sick, drunk, blah blah blah."

I'm 100% accountable for my words and deeds. I have the guts to say what I feel and mean what I say. Most of all, I have the balls to back it all up. If you don't like what I have to say, that's perfectly alright with me. I was not placed on this earth to cater to your whims and thoughts. And I'm not the narcissist that you are proving to be to expect that you should cater to me.

But I'll be damned if you think even for a minute that I'll let you question my mental health with impunity just because you don't like my opinion. Who the hell do you think you are? People like you are the reason why Iran is in a geopolitical septic tank. Based upon your logic it's OK for Iran to do this and that, because the U.S. and Israel did x and y.

You piss and moan that I'm disturbed because I want to take revenge upon unborn grandchildren. What happened in Iran in 1979 has negatively affected the current generations and will have a similar effect on future generations. That is what's sick and disturbing. The only way to reverse that is with a reaction of equal measure. Anything less is an utter waste of time, and an exercise in mental masturbation. Maybe you weren't negatively impacted by the revolution. Well, good for you. As far as I know the ones who were positively affected by the revolution are those who are in power today, or those who have profited from its existence. An existence that's repressive, oppressive, and has killed countless Iranians of all ages.

So sell your bullshit somewhere else.

Anonymous8

Why don't you pay attention to the words? These people are Iranian and
English is their second language, they may stumble on their words. What
the hell is your excuse?

Maybe I'm mentally ill or drunk? :P

If most the people here are misunderstanding your comments, you might want to consider it's your communication skills that could use soem work, though.

Dear Mammad - Why Not for Us?

Dear Mammad,

I am glad that you do address human rights issues in Iran. But why can't we benefit from your wisdom? Why do you publish these articles on other sites? Are we not worthy? Is discussion on this site limited to "Zionist" conspiracy theories? We like to read pieces about human rights as well. Please do share!