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Do you seriously believe

Do you seriously believe that Iran without the revolution would be as same as South Korea, Turkey, Japan or other countries that were US friends and now are considered developed?

Japan? No. South Korea? Probably not, but not beyond the realm of possibility (Iran's GDP was significantly higher than South Korea in 1979). Turkey? Yes.

Did you ever asked yourselves how did those countries became like that?

There were a number of factors in South Korea's favor, including following "rational" socioeconomic policies and domestic politics, as well as sound international relations--such as good relations with the U.S. In other words, the exact opposite of the IRI.  

But if you are located in the centre of the most important region in the world, you don't have the luxury to be left alone. You either have to be someones bitch or you have to stand up on your own.

By making rabid terroristic, anti-Americanism the central plank of your so-called policy? Oh yeah, IRI is "standing up" alright--with a little help from its loyal international "friends"--Hamas, Hezbollah, and other Islamist terrorists; Hugo Chavez and the Castro Brothers; North Korea, Syria and Sudan; Robert Mugabe; etc. What an international cast of murderous, poor, unwashed, and unproductive losers--they are a perfect fit for the IRI.

The nature of Iran's government has no effect on US foreign policy. Its all about economy and energy.

But the nature of the IRI's behavior towards the U.S. does. Do Islamists realize or care that by taking U.S. diplomats hostage and promoting terrorists that kill its citizens, bomb its embassies, kidnap its people, hijack its planes, demonstrate hostility to the U.S. in word and deed (e.g. the animal who is the IRI's current "president" looks forward to a "world without the U.S."), etc, etc--it is seeking confrontation and asking for trouble. The U.S. has a lot of capacity to smash the IRI that it has not yet exercised. For the sake of the Iranian people, let's hope the IRI doesn't embroil Iran in yet another war.

Stop looking up to South Korea and others.

Do you seriously believe that Iran without the revolution would be as same as South Korea, Turkey, Japan or other countries that were US friends and now are considered developed?

Did you ever asked yourselves how did those countries became like that?

Well, first you have to be a huge risk taker and right in the middle of a cold war, you have to allow US to build bases on your soul and install nuclear weapons. You have to subject your country to become the first nuclear battle ground if war broke out with USSR. Only then, you could have enjoyed favourable trade laws with US, technology transfer, foreign investments, military support and so on.

The case for Brasil is due to its geopolitic and geography. They are situated in a part of the world which isn't very attractive to foreign powers and they left the Brazillians alone.

But if you are located in the centre of the most important region in the world, you don't have the luxury to be left alone. You either have to be someones bitch or you have to stand up on your own.

The nature of Iran's government has no effect on US foreign policy. Its all about economy and energy.

Onlyiran

Fashion-conscience Sepah with matching gloves and accessories!

Perfect for dinner parties!

I was envisioning a conversation between the submarine cook and the guys wearing the scuba tanks.

Aashpaz Baashi: “Whoever took the propane tanks please bring them back. I need to make some liver kabob for lunch!”

I Voted AN

The IRI's "military" couldn't defeat Iraq--which has much less than one-half of the IRI's population and was led by one of the most incompetent commanders in the world, Saddam--despite 8 years of war and hundreds of thousands dead, including Islamist animals sending thousands of boys as young as 12 years old to run over landmines. Did you see what the U.S. did to that crap "military" in 3 weeks on two separate occasions (1991 and 2003)? The "militaries" of Islamist and Arab regimes have shown that they are completely worthless, except for killing their own people and acting as economic mafias. Cheers  :-)

I voted ahmadi-monkey

only if you rip out the red part and wear it as boots and matching gloves and scarf and then carry a Kalashnikov...without shaving your beard for two weeks.  

Iran's flag

I wonder, if the iranian flag with its red color looks gay to u too? 

ram jams

That's funny Faramarz - How about this one

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from the same series.  Soldiers wearing red boots with matching gloves and scarves?!!!  Kind of...well...gay for a pious religious force, sin't it? :-))) 

I.R. Military Might!

I came across these pictures of the IR military in Life Magazine. One is funnier than another!

There is Basiji Militia in their poodle hats! It will scare the Jesus out of the neighborhood kittens!

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Midget submarine crew in scuba gear! Let’s think about this one for a second.
Either the sub has a leak or you know that you are going to sink soon. Might as well be ready!

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Soldiers wearing vintage World War I gas masks! Somewhere in Europe, a museum is missing some gas masks!

//www.life.com/image/73912426/in-gallery/28542/irans-military-strangely-powerful   

Iranian F-18? Are you kidding me, more like F-84 with a nose!

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Surface-to-surface Missile with a ladder on the side, to climb up and light it up with matches!

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No Fear Disinformation

You are wrong on many points.

First of all, we did manufacture many weapons, and the foundation for anything you see today was laid back then, whether it is .  Iran built rifles, ammunition, and had infrastructure for helicopters and missiles and major repair for jet aircraft. So to say we could not manufacture a bullet is total BS, and you should definitely not be proud of that.

Also, you don't have to be the US's lap dog to benefit from their technology.  Is Turkey or Brazil or South Korea US's lap dog?  Or do you just need to find any excuse for the pathetic state of Iran's technology and defense capabilities today?

Furthermore, you don't just sell someone an army.  Someone has to build and lead and organize it.  Saudi Arabia buys weapons, but if the US leaves they can do nothing.  This was not the case in Iran. The Shah (who you shamefully call a fool after all he did for the Iranian military) made sure that just as Iran bought weapons, Iran gained expertise and mastery of the technology.  That is what American advisors and contractors were doing, and they succeeded.  That is why when war broke out in 1980, despite your stateless terrorist movement's decimation of the Iranian armed forces, Iran was still able to conduct large air operations on its own.  Who got all those fighters in the air to kick the sh*t out of the Iraqis?  Imam Zaman? No, it was the leftovers of the very same Iranian armed forces that you say were "bought" from the US, Iranian men who were trained very well by the US. To this day Iran is able to fly F-4,F-5, and F-14, which were the most advance aircraft in the world in 1979, thanks to expertise which came to our country and stayed there.

And finally,  yes, this is 2010, not 1979.  In 1979, there was no viable Chinese or North Korean military industry which was willing or able to hand off technology to Iran.  Missile technology had not even begun to proliferate. You HAD to buy weapons from somebody and that is what we did, and it was successful. Otherwise Khorramshahr and Ahvaz would be part of Iraq today. Perhaps you could explain for us what better way YOU could have proposed in the 1960's and 1970's for Iran to build a strong army and armaments industries that would be more to your liking?  Then we can compare. Until then, you are just providing the usual lies and misinformations (like Iran bought "Ahan Pareh" under the shah) that the Islamists and Marxists usually did, and did so shamelessly.

The undeniable fact is that Iran today has a very indadequate conventional defense capability, and it cannot hold its own against even regional countries (forget about the US).  A number of our neighbors could come in, wipe out a large number of Iranian runways and neutralize air operations, and Iran could not defend itself nor retaliate.  If a modern army were to conduct an armored assault on the ground on Iranian territory, we could not defend.  We do not have the anti tank weapons nor even close to a modern armored force that could engage them.

By contrast, the "fool" and "lap dog" Shah that you made fun of built an armed forces that destroyed an Iraqi armored assault across Arvand rood in less than an hour in 1975.  Saddam Hussein and the Baathists just shut up and ran away with their tails between their legs.  Our country was at peace and respected in our region, and that is how it should be, and that is far from the case today.

That is the main difference between 2010 and 1979.

reality

is, despite the usuall rubbish and kosy share that islamists post in here, the infra structure and foundation of the modern arm forces and it's armement capabilities was laid out by both pahlavi kings. what you see in here is a natural evoultion to some degree. 

The differnce is in 1970's if you worked, fixed and used F-4, F-5, and F-14 fighter aircrafts, you may have been slightly behind the curve as the products were built in 60's and early 70's, but if you use the same stuff in 2010 or reverse engineered 1960's plane in 2010  you are behind the curve by 40 years!!!

In any case IRI has no viable airforce to defned the air space of the country, some of our neighbors have far more better equiped and advanced airforce than Iran but if some people take pride in this kind of thing and if it keeps some people employed over there so be it.....................

The Islamic Republic military is CRAP

This is an assessment of the strength of Iranian militray capability published  by the US Library of Congress:

ARMY
Total Land-Based Weapons: 5,449
Tanks: 1,613 [2006]
Armored Personnel Carriers: 640 [2006]
Towed Artillery: 2,010 [2006]
Self-Propelled Guns: 310 [2006]
Multiple Rocket Launch Systems: 876 [2006]
Mortars: 5,000 [2006]
Anti-Tank Guided Weapons: 75 [2006]
Anti-Aircraft Weapons: 1,700 [2006]

AIR FORCE
Total Aircraft: 84 [2006]
Helicopters: 84 [2006]
Serviceable Airports: 331 [2007]

NAVY

Total Navy Ships: 65
Merchant Marine Strength: 92 [2008]
Major Ports and Harbors: 3
Aircraft Carriers: 0 [2008]
Destroyers: 0 [2008]
Submarines: 3 [2006]
Frigates: 3 [2006]
Patrol & Coastal Craft: 140 [2006]
Mine Warfare Craft: 5 [2006]
Amphibious Craft: 13 [2006]

The Islamic Republic has no aircraft carriers and only 84 aircrafts most of them with shitty parts from Russia. Even Pakistan Taiwan has more than 4 times the amount.  Iran has no destoyers and only 3 freights. With only 876 multiple rocket laucnhers for 1.600. 000 km of land space  it cannot even defend its airspace in a major air  stike. The number of anti -tank guided weapons, if the numbers in 2006 are anything to go by is a joke in the event of a groud invasion

In essence, the Islamic Republic's military capabilities are a joke. If the Americans were to take out the Iranian weapons it would be slam dunk.

Despite Iran being a large area of land geographically its defences are weak. In order for the occupying monkey terrorist mafia regime to save itself it would enage in guerilla style terrorist activities. 

This will be the dirtiest side to the war. And the only way to fight terrorists in guerilla warfare is to forget about the rules of engagement. I will put it no more than that. Ban all foreign news outlets in the same way  Israeli did in Gaza to prevent scrutiny of actions. 

Nevertheles, taking out the Mullahs will be a relatively simpler task than Iraq and Afghanistan. However, the US should train and equip a modern Iranian liberation army to fight the terrorists and maintiain order and protect any provisional governments The US should be designated with the task of crippling the military insfrastructure to prevent the terrorist regime from fighting back. 

Iraq was a catastrophic error but even if Obama were to withdraw troops from Iraq it needs to maintain the border with Iraq and prevent any reinforcements getting to the Mulahs. 

A total devestating blow to the Islamic Republic is needed and I hope it must come sooner rather than later. 

The "logic" of an Islamist

Your logic stands if you always have US as a friend and be its lap dog puppy or as the american say it, be their son of the bitch. But thats nothing to be proud of. Many countries in the world are US lap dogs and what you advocate is nothing new. You are not the first working girl on the block ( Persian Gulf ), there are others before you, pick a number first!

Sooner or later we had to deal with US long term or short term goals in the middle east. We could not stayed their friends forever.

Compare the situation of U.S. allies like South Korea (rich and currently one of the world's leading industrial powers--despite having a lower GDP than Iran in 1979!!!) with the miserable Third World Islamist hellhole that the IRI is (its GDP per capita, export earnings, oil production, life expectancy and infant mortality rankings are pathetic). Islamist animals took U.S. diplomats hostage and have been seeking confrontation with the U.S. ever since. These lowlifes are to blame for the country's lousy state of affairs. And if they think their North Korean knock-off missiles could achieve much, if a war were ever to break out with the U.S. (as if Saddam didn't try it already in his war against the U.S.), they are believing way too much of their own propaganda.

Its 2010 now, not 1979.

Back then, US was a friend of shah and sold an army to Iran while thousands of American forces were maintaining and operating the military hardwares. But Iran did not have a defence industry and we couldn't even manufacture a single bullet in Iran when war broke out with Iraq. At the begining of the war, IRGC soldiers at the front lines were sharing a gun so when one soldier falls, the other would pick up his gun. This is nothing to be proud of. Shah was a fool. We couldn't even repair our american weapons.

Is this your opinion of a modern army? Where were the logistics ?  Who was maintaining our military? Were we manufacturing any hardware? Who was providing us with intelligence?

Your logic stands if you always have US as a friend and be its lap dog puppy or as the american say it, be their son of the bitch. But thats nothing to be proud of. Many countries in the world are US lap dogs and what you advocate is nothing new. You are not the first working girl on the block ( Persian Gulf ), there are others before you, pick a number first!

Sooner or later we had to deal with US long term or short term goals in the middle east. We could not stayed their friends forever.

Very inadequate indeed

A country with such huge human and natural resources- cannot even hold its own against such a backward country like Saudi Arabia.

Before you fall too much in love with this "beautiful doctrine", realize that it is an empty one. Conventional missiles, even in fairly large numbers that Iran claims it has, are not effective strategic offensive weapons.  You would need dozens of these missiles to deliver the payload of one airstrike, and it will never be as accurate, even with the best guidance (forget about it with the existing NK or Chinese or Russian guidance).

Iran's ability to deliver devastating damage to its regional neighbors and do so precisely was much more  in the early 1980's than it is today, and its air force is nonexistent which makes it wide open to enemy air attack.  So to think we would deter anybody better today than we did 30 years ago (and therefore that we might be safer) is wishful thinking (and that is an understatement).

Unless of course, these missiles start getting non conventional warheads.  That is what the west is most scared of, and that is what the fuss is all about.

Until then, the Islamic republic is an insignificant and inferior military power in the region, and does not pose any credible threat to anybody.  This is in stark contrast to the Imperial Iranian armed forces prior to 1979, who were taken very seriously and respected in and beyond the region in their time.

Iran does not have an adequate " conventional " military.

Remember Iraq ?

We all saw what happened to an army of few thousand tanks, hundreds of Russian Migs, a modern conventional air defence systems and battle ready conventional ground force which got completely distroyed by another superior " conventional " army.

We have learned a lot from the Iraq experience. Thats why our defence industry is mostly focused on its offensive capabilities by investing heavily on its missile program as a deterrence factor. Even the few fighter jets that we have are not combat ready but they would be used as a missile platform when needed.

Lets face it. We don't even stand a chance against Saudi Arabia if this war is supposed to be fought with "conventional" weapons. But the beauty of our new doctorine is not about how many tanks or fighter jets we have, but how many of our missiles can reach our enemy's bases, cities, nuclear power plants, oil fields, refinaries, airports, residential complexes, commercial areas, dams, research facilities, manufactures and so on.  And we can manufacture these missiles cheap and fast and they are getting exceedingly accurate and more powerful every day.

Its not about defence anymore, its your offensive capabilities which could increase the cost of war for your enemies.

Keep in mind that Iran's strategical borders are far beyond our legal borders and we prefer to fight this war away from our homeland.

Iranian defense solutions

Iranian defense solutions are among the most interesting in the world, to study, particularly with respects to their diversity and level of improvisation. 

Certainly a more interesting study than Turkey or Pakistan.

What is particularly remarkable about it is how it has managed to deter an attack from powers much stronger, who have continued to issue weekly threats of a first strike for over seven years now.

Iran's military

Is alright, but nothing compared to what it was during the pahlavi dynasty or what it could be now. Went from the 4th strongest to the 11 or 13 I believe.

Yousef: Most appropriate

Yousef: Most appropriate characterization of the militarization fiasco.

IMF

You are so full of it.

News this week

1- Two Iran Air flights on route to Europe landed in Ankara due to mechanical problems.

2- Aircraft slides off the runway due to a ditch dug by the runway and no one knew why.

3- Tupolev aircraft wheel got fire in Mashad airport.

If you can't even maintain the aircrafts that other countries built, how you can possibly manufacture anything useful. That is a lot of laugh.

Nice comments Amir1973 and Yousef

very funny. :-))  

Only delusional cool-aid drinking IRI junkies or paid propagandists (of which we have no shortage on this site) believe this propaganda.   

Only good tech

If we can send Ali Geda out of Iran

Correction: we will Peykan you

West-residing IRI Groupies, like IVA, and retarded adolescents of the Basij may be impressed by this IRI garbage, but no one else is. This crap is the Peykan of "military" hardware. Cheers  :-)

we will rock you

تا کور شود هر انکه نتوان دید

ram jams

Majid Akhavan!

It seems it is mostly this guy reporting on Iran's military industry!?

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SPD-x8cs1Q

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Iran-in-an Militarization

with no moral/social prosperity prospects (Pakistan's Lessons???)

Wishing a flying missle per household's table for their ultimate happiness!!!!

" Industry" is a comical title for a smuggling operation.....

of the surplus soviet era military Hardware from N. Korea, Russia, China and pakistan.

flying cars for everyone!

its long overdue....

ماشین مشدی ممدلی

ماشین مشدی ممدلی
نه بوق داره نه صندلی

Just today, another Tupelov right after take off from Mashad blew a tire and had to do an emergency landing! And these guys keep showing off this garbage

REGIME CHANGE!

It's long overdue.......