Prevent War

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Prevent War
by VIPS
05-Aug-2010
 

MEMORANDUM FOR: The President

FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

SUBJECT: War With Iran

We write to alert you to the likelihood that Israel will attack Iran as early as this month. This would likely lead to a wider war.

Israel’s leaders would calculate that once the battle is joined, it will be politically untenable for you to give anything less than unstinting support to Israel, no matter how the war started, and that U.S. troops and weaponry would flow freely. Wider war could eventually result in destruction of the state of Israel.

This can be stopped, but only if you move quickly to pre-empt an Israeli attack by publicly condemning such a move before it happens.

We believe that comments by senior American officials, you included, reflect misplaced trust in Israeli Prime Minister [Benjamin] Netanyahu.

Actually, the phrasing itself can be revealing, as when CIA Director Panetta implied cavalierly that Washington leaves it up to the Israelis to decide whether and when to attack Iran, and how much “room” to give to the diplomatic effort.

On June 27, Panetta casually told ABC’s Jake Tapper, “I think they are willing to give us the room to be able to try to change Iran diplomatically … as opposed to changing them militarily.”

Similarly, the tone you struck referring to Netanyahu and yourself in your July 7 interview with Israeli TV was distinctly out of tune with decades of unfortunate history with Israeli leaders.

“Neither of us try to surprise each other,” you said, “and that approach is one that I think Prime Minister Netanyahu is committed to.” You may wish to ask Vice President Biden to remind you of the kind of surprises he has encountered in Israel.

Blindsiding has long been an arrow in Israel’s quiver. During the emerging Middle East crisis in the spring of 1967, some of us witnessed closely a flood of Israeli surprises and deception, as Netanyahu’s predecessors feigned fear of an imminent Arab attack as justification for starting a war to seize and occupy Arab territories.

We had long since concluded that Israel had been exaggerating the Arab “threat” — well before 1982 when former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin publicly confessed:

“In June 1967, we had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that [Egyptian President] Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”

Israel had, in fact, prepared well militarily and also mounted provocations against its neighbors, in order to provoke a response that could be used to justify expansion of its borders.

Given this record, one would be well advised to greet with appropriate skepticism any private assurances Netanyahu may have given you that Israel would not surprise you with an attack on Iran.

Netanyahu’s Calculations

Netanyahu believes he holds the high cards, largely because of the strong support he enjoys in our Congress and our strongly pro-Israel media. He reads your reluctance even to mention in controversial bilateral issues publicly during his recent visit as affirmation that he is in the catbird seat in the relationship.

During election years in the U.S. (including mid-terms), Israeli leaders are particularly confident of the power they and the Likud Lobby enjoy on the American political scene.

This prime minister learned well from Menachem Begin and Ariel Sharon.

Netanyahu’s attitude comes through in a video taped nine years ago and shown on Israeli TV, in which he bragged about how he deceived President Clinton into believing he (Netanyahu) was helping implement the Oslo accords when he was actually destroying them.

The tape displays a contemptuous attitude toward — and wonderment at — an America so easily influenced by Israel. Netanyahu says:

“America is something that can be easily moved. Moved in the right direction. … They won’t get in our way … Eighty percent of the Americans support us. It’s absurd.”

Israeli columnist Gideon Levy wrote that the video shows Netanyahu to be “a con artist … who thinks that Washington is in his pocket and that he can pull the wool over its eyes,” adding that such behavior “does not change over the years.”

As mentioned above, Netanyahu has had instructive role models.

None other than Gen. Brent Scowcroft told the Financial Times that former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had George W. Bush “mesmerized;” that “Sharon just has him “wrapped around his little finger.”

(Scowcroft was promptly relieved of his duties as chair of the prestigious President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and told never again to darken the White House doorstep.)

If further proof of American political support for Netanyahu were needed, it was manifest when Senators McCain, Lieberman, and Graham visited Israel during the second week of July.

Lieberman asserted that there is wide support in Congress for using all means to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear power, including “through military actions if we must.” Graham was equally explicit: “The Congress has Israel’s back,” he said.

More recently, 47 House Republicans have signed onto H.R. 1553 declaring “support for Israel’s right to use all means necessary to confront and eliminate nuclear threats posed by Iran … including the use of military force.”

The power of the Likud Lobby, especially in an election year, facilitates Netanyahu’s attempts to convince those few of his colleagues who need convincing that there may never be a more auspicious time to bring about “regime change” in Tehran.

And, as we hope your advisers have told you, regime change, not Iranian nuclear weapons, is Israel’s primary concern.

If Israel’s professed fear that one or two nuclear weapons in Iran’s arsenal would be a game changer, one would have expected Israeli leaders to jump up and down with glee at the possibility of seeing half of Iran’s low enriched uranium shipped abroad.

Instead, they dismissed as a “trick” the tripartite deal, brokered by Turkey and Brazil with your personal encouragement, that would ship half of Iran’s low enriched uranium outside Tehran’s control.

The National Intelligence Estimate

The Israelis have been looking on intently as the U.S. intelligence community attempts to update, in a “Memorandum to Holders,” the NIE of November 2007 on Iran’s nuclear program. It is worth recalling a couple of that Estimate’s key judgments:

“We judge with high confidence that in fall of 2003 Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program. … We assess with moderate confidence Tehran has not restarted its nuclear program as of mid-2007, but we do not know whether it currently intends to develop nuclear weapons …”

Earlier this year, public congressional testimony by former Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair (February 1 & 2) and Defense Intelligence Agency Director Gen. Ronald Burgess with Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. James Cartwright (April 14) did not alter those key judgments.

Blair and others continued to underscore the intelligence community’s agnosticism on one key point: as Blair put it earlier this year, “We do not know if Iran will eventually decide to build a nuclear weapon.”

The media have reported off-the-cuff comments by Panetta and by you, with a darker appraisal — with you telling Israeli TV “… all indicators are that they [the Iranians] are in fact pursuing a nuclear weapon;” and Panetta telling ABC, “I think they continue to work on designs in that area [of weaponization].”

Panetta hastened to add, though, that in Tehran, “There is a continuing debate right now as to whether or not they ought to proceed with the bomb.”

Israel probably believes it must give more weight to the official testimony of Blair, Burgess, and Cartwright, which dovetail with the earlier NIE, and the Israelis are afraid that the long-delayed Memorandum to Holders of the 2007 NIE will essentially affirm that Estimate’s key judgments.

Our sources tell us that an honest Memorandum to Holders is likely to do precisely that, and that they suspect that the several-months-long delay means intelligence judgments are being “fixed” around the policy — as was the case before the attack on Iraq.

One War Prevented

The key judgments of the November 2007 NIE shoved an iron rod into the wheel spokes of the Dick Cheney-led juggernaut rolling toward war on Iran. The NIE infuriated Israel leaders eager to attack before President Bush and Vice President Cheney left office. This time, Netanyahu fears that issuance of an honest Memorandum might have similar effect.

Bottom line: more incentive for Israel to pre-empt such an Estimate by striking Iran sooner rather than later.

Last week’s announcement that U.S. officials will meet next month with Iranian counterparts to resume talks on ways to arrange higher enrichment of Iranian low enriched uranium for Tehran’s medical research reactor was welcome news to all but the Israeli leaders.

In addition, Iran reportedly has said it would be prepared to halt enrichment to 20 percent (the level needed for the medical research reactor), and has made it clear that it looks forward to the resumption of talks.

Again, an agreement that would send a large portion of Iran’s LEU abroad would, at a minimum, hinder progress toward nuclear weapons, should Iran decide to develop them. But it would also greatly weaken Israel’s scariest rationale for an attack on Iran.

Bottom line: with the talks on what Israel’s leaders earlier labeled a “trick” now scheduled to resume in September, incentive builds in Tel Aviv for the Israelis to attack before any such agreement can be reached.

We’ll say it again: the objective is regime change. Creating synthetic fear of Iranian nuclear weapons is simply the best way to “justify” bringing about regime change. Worked well for Iraq, no?

Another War in Need of Prevention

A strong public statement by you, personally warning Israel not to attack Iran would most probably head off such an Israeli move. Follow-up might include dispatching Adm. Mullen to Tel Aviv with military-to-military instructions to Israel: Don’t Even Think of It.

In the wake of the 2007 NIE, President Bush overruled Vice President Cheney and sent Adm. Mullen to Israel to impart that hard message. A much-relieved Mullen arrived home that spring sure of step and grateful that he had dodged the likelihood of being on the end of a Cheney-inspired order for him to send U.S. forces into war with Iran.

This time around, Mullen returned with sweaty palms from a visit to Israel in February 2010. Ever since, he has been worrying aloud that Israel might mousetrap the U.S. into war with Iran, while adding the obligatory assurance that the Pentagon does have an attack plan for Iran, if needed.

In contrast to his experience in 2008, though, Mullen seemed troubled that Israel’s leaders did not take his warnings seriously.

While in Israel, Mullen insisted publicly that an attack on Iran would be “a big, big, big problem for all of us, and I worry a great deal about the unintended consequences.”

After his return, at a Pentagon press conference on Feb. 22 Mullen drove home the same point. After reciting the usual boilerplate about Iran being “on the path to achieve nuclear weaponization” and its “desire to dominate its neighbors,” he included the following in his prepared remarks:

“For now, the diplomatic and the economic levers of international power are and ought to be the levers first pulled. Indeed, I would hope they are always and consistently pulled. No strike, however effective, will be, in and of itself, decisive.”

Unlike younger generals — David Petraeus, for example — Adm. Mullen served in the Vietnam War. That experience is probably what prompts asides like this: “I would remind everyone of an essential truth: War is bloody and uneven. It’s messy and ugly and incredibly wasteful …”

Although the immediate context for that remark was Afghanistan, Mullen has underscored time and again that war with Iran would be a far larger disaster. Those with a modicum of familiarity with the military, strategic and economic equities at stake know he is right.

Other Steps

In 2008, after Mullen read the Israelis the riot act, they put their pre-emptive plans for Iran aside. With that mission accomplished, Mullen gave serious thought to ways to prevent any unintended (or, for that matter, deliberately provoked) incidents in the crowded Persian Gulf that could lead to wider hostilities.

Mullen sent up an interesting trial balloon at a July 2, 2008, press conference, when he indicated that military-to-military dialogue could “add to a better understanding” between the U.S. and Iran. But nothing more was heard of this overture, probably because Cheney ordered him to drop it.

It was a good idea — still is. The danger of a U.S.-Iranian confrontation in the crowded Persian Gulf has not been addressed, and should be. Establishment of a direct communications link between top military officials in Washington and Tehran would reduce the danger of an accident, miscalculation, or covert, false-flag attack.

In our view, that should be done immediately — particularly since recently introduced sanctions assert a right to inspect Iranian ships. The naval commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards reportedly has threatened “a response in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz,” if anyone tries to inspect Iranian ships in international waters.

Another safety valve would result from successful negotiation of the kind of bilateral “incidents-at-sea” protocol that was concluded with the Russians in 1972 during a period of relatively high tension.

With only interim nobodies at the helm of the intelligence community, you may wish to consider knocking some heads together yourself and insisting that it finish an honest Memorandum to Holders of the 2007 NIE by mid-August — recording any dissents, as necessary.

Sadly, our former colleagues tell us that politicization of intelligence analysis did not end with the departure of Bush and Cheney…and that the problem is acute even at the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research, which in the past has done some of the best professional, objective, tell-it-like-it-is analysis.

Pundits, Think Tanks: Missing the Point

As you may have noticed, most of page one of Sunday’s Washington Post Outlook section was given to an article titled, “A Nuclear Iran: Would America Strike to Prevent It? — Imagining Obama’s Response to an Iranian Missile Crisis.”

Page five was dominated by the rest of the article, under the title “Who will blink first when Iran is on the brink?”

A page-wide photo of a missile rolling past Iranian dignitaries on a reviewing stand (reminiscent of the familiar parades on Red Square) is aimed at the centerfold of the Outlook section, as if poised to blow it to smithereens.

Typically, the authors address the Iranian “threat” as though it endangers the U.S., even though Secretary Clinton has stated publicly that this is not the case. They write that one option for the U.S. is “the lonely, unpopular path of taking military action lacking allied consensus.” O Tempora, O Mores!

In less than a decade, wars of aggression have become nothing more than lonely, unpopular paths.

What is perhaps most remarkable, though, is that the word Israel is nowhere to be found in this very long article. Similar think pieces, including some from relatively progressive think tanks, also address these issues as though they were simply bilateral U.S.-Iranian problems, with little or no attention to Israel.

Guns of August?

The stakes could hardly be higher. Letting slip the dogs of war would have immense repercussions. Again, we hope that Adm. Mullen and others have given you comprehensive briefings on them.

Netanyahu would be taking a fateful gamble by attacking Iran, with high risk to everyone involved. The worst, but conceivable case, has Netanyahu playing — unintentionally — Dr. Kevorkian to the state of Israel.

Even if the U.S. were to be sucked into a war provoked by Israel, there is absolutely no guarantee that the war would come out well.

Were the U.S. to suffer significant casualties, and were Americans to become aware that such losses came about because of exaggerated Israeli claims of a nuclear threat from Iran, Israel could lose much of its high standing in the United States.

There could even be an upsurge in anti-Semitism, as Americans conclude that officials with dual loyalties in Congress and the executive branch threw our troops into a war provoked, on false pretenses, by Likudniks for their own narrow purposes.

We do not have a sense that major players in Tel Aviv or in Washington are sufficiently sensitive to these critical factors.

You are in position to prevent this unfortunate, but likely chain reaction. We allow for the possibility that Israeli military action might not lead to a major regional war, but we consider the chances of that much less than even.

Footnote: VIPS Experience

We VIPS have found ourselves in this position before. We prepared our first Memorandum for the President on the afternoon of February 5, 2003 after Colin Powell’s speech at the UN.

We had been watching how our profession was being corrupted into serving up faux intelligence that was later criticized (correctly) as “uncorroborated, contradicted, and nonexistent” — adjectives used by former Senate Intelligence Committee chair Jay Rockefeller after a five-year investigation by his committee.

As Powell spoke, we decided collectively that the responsible thing to do was to try to warn the President before he acted on misguided advice to attack Iraq. Unlike Powell, we did not claim that our analysis was “irrefutable and undeniable.” We did conclude with this warning:

“After watching Secretary Powell today, we are convinced that you would be well served if you widened the discussion … beyond the circle of those advisers clearly bent on a war for which we see no compelling reason and from which we believe the unintended consequences are likely to be catastrophic.” pdf

We take no satisfaction at having gotten it right on Iraq. Others with claim to more immediate expertise on Iraq were issuing similar warnings. But we were kept well away from the wagons circled by Bush and Cheney.

Sadly, your own Vice President, who was then chair of the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee, was among the most assiduous in blocking opportunities for dissenting voices to be heard. This is part of what brought on the worst foreign policy disaster in our nation’s history.

We now believe that we may also be right on (and right on the cusp of) another impending catastrophe of even wider scope — Iran — on which another President, you, are not getting good advice from your closed circle of advisers.

They are probably telling you that, since you have privately counseled Prime Minister Netanyahu against attacking Iran, he will not do it. This could simply be the familiar syndrome of telling the President what they believe he wants to hear.

Quiz them; tell them others believe them to be dead wrong on Netanyahu. The only positive here is that you — only you — can prevent an Israeli attack on Iran.

Steering Group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

Ray Close, Directorate of Operations, Near East Division, CIA (26 years)

Phil Giraldi, Directorate of Operations, CIA (20 years)

Larry Johnson, Directorate of Intelligence, CIA; Department of State, Department of Defense consultant (24 years)

W. Patrick Lang, Col., USA, Special Forces (ret.); Senior Executive Service: Defense Intelligence Officer for Middle East/South Asia, Director of HUMINT Collection, Defense Intelligence Agency (30 years)

Ray McGovern, US Army Intelligence Officer, Directorate of Intelligence, CIA (30 years)

Coleen Rowley, Special Agent and Minneapolis Division Counsel, FBI (24 years)

Ann Wright, Col., US Army Reserve (ret.), (29 years); Foreign Service Officer, Department of State (16 years)

First published in consortiumnews.com

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Kooshan

We are indeed at the point of capitulation in middle east

by Kooshan on

I think the war is imminent as well. The reason:

1. Israel actually feels EXISTENTIAL THREAT as they have outcried for many times. The situation in middle east is not like pre-90's.

2. The islamic population is waking up from years of ignorance and lazy hooka-puffing era. This is not the war I think IRI is waging but rather Israel is asking for.

3. The politicians in Tel-Aviv are being fooled into believing that sactions are breaking Iran down and with th ehelp of insider-opposition, it will be easy win.

 

However, This war will greatly expose Israel's vulnerability. laying aside the nuclear power of Israel, the odds are greatly in favor of Iran. The 6-day war is nowadays something out of Rabmo movie!

 


Ahmed from Bahrain

This is another scenario

by Ahmed from Bahrain on

//www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm...

I believe the writer has done his homework and is on the money, except Israel might be the wild dog and that might please people like Mahmoodog.

Wild dogs do have their days but they are usually put to sleep.

Ahmed from Bahrain


Hamed

I say it the way I see it

by Hamed on

Iranians had been tested in the war of the 80's. I believe they passed the test and showed to the world they have the ability to defend their country. They now have modern war/combat experience. Since the end of that war (for those who do not know, I am referring to the Iran-Iraq war sponsored and provoked by Reagan admin. using Saddam as their proxy) for thirty years now they have been getting ready for another potentially inevitable war with the West or their proxy- to defend their country. This is the reason why they are developing - if not already developed- atomic bombs, to defend their country against foreign aggressions. No one has mentioned that 40% of world's container- shipped oil passes through Hormoz.  The slightest specter of war in the region will skyrocket the price of oil to $500 or may be $1000 per barrel. Is this what the West wants, of course not. There will be no war with Iran, this notion of war is all hogwash. Israel is in a perilous situation not because of Iran but because of their own policies throughout the years. Unless they fundamentally want to change direction they keep going downhill.  To set the record straight I am completely neutral (I do not take anyone’s side) I say it the way I see it.


Mola Nasredeen

The attitude of some who disagree with the VIPS assessment:

by Mola Nasredeen on

افاده ها طبق طبق
سگها بدورش وق و وق!


afshinazad

which day?

by afshinazad on

I see they love to creat a fear among the Iranian that bogie man is coming and Regim could do what ever they want and they could lable you to what ever crap they could think of. so which day in this month, because I have quite busy month and I need to clear my meetings.good news never be true.


free vs islam

خوب الان مشکل چیه؟

free vs islam


اولا اینکه حمه اینها برای تبلیغات اخوندها خوبه. و من هیچ مشکلی ندارم با سمپاشی یک عده شپش و اینکه اگر ایرانیها شپش کش یا پیف پاف داشتند خیلی وقت پیش این سوسک و شپشو از ایران انداخته بودندبیرون.


masoudA

What a load of Crap

by masoudA on

The whole article by VIPS starts with crap and ends with crap -

This is all to preserve the IR - scaring off Iranians - prolonging their misery that is real - with a threat of war that is unreal.   Isreal will not attack Iran - if anything they will attack the ISlamic Republic.   And if they do - what war shall be ignited?  between whom?  where? 

What a load of crap.   


Mola Nasredeen

A good assessment and it sounds authentic

by Mola Nasredeen on

Who are these people? that's my first question.

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).

Who are the members:

Steering Group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

Ray Close, Directorate of Operations, Near East Division, CIA (26 years)

Phil Giraldi, Directorate of Operations, CIA (20 years)

Larry Johnson, Directorate of Intelligence, CIA; Department of State, Department of Defense consultant (24 years)

W. Patrick Lang, Col., USA, Special Forces (ret.); Senior Executive Service: Defense Intelligence Officer for Middle East/South Asia, Director of HUMINT Collection, Defense Intelligence Agency (30 years)

Ray McGovern, US Army Intelligence Officer, Directorate of Intelligence, CIA (30 years)

Coleen Rowley, Special Agent and Minneapolis Division Counsel, FBI (24 years)

Ann Wright, Col., US Army Reserve (ret.), (29 years); Foreign Service Officer, Department of State (16 years)

To whom this letter is addressed to: The president of United States, Obama 

What do they say: The only positive here is that you — only you — can prevent an Israeli attack on Iran.

More power to this VIPS.


mahmoudg

so what is the problem?

by mahmoudg on

Israel is trying to clean an infested regime out of the area, where all other world powers either do not have the cojones of wherewithall.  Good going Isreal.  Dont forget the 200K or so Pasdars and Basij who otherwise would strap bombs around their wastes to speed past each other into entering the gates of heaven to claim and sleep with the 70 virgins!!!

 


Bavafa

Fooladi: thanks for clarifying...

by Bavafa on

I guess my bad interpretation of the title, as if the 70m Iranians will hustle around Israel if Iran was attacked by them.

You are correct that the hard core IRI supporters will accuse any one not in their camp as "Zionist or AIPAC" sympathizer, just as the hardcore anti-Iran groupie such as Fred will accuse any one not in their camp as "Islamist".

Subsequently, those of us that are dead against IRI at the same time against any war with Iran, are being labeled both as Islamist and Zionist.

Mehrdad


fooladi

Bavafa

by fooladi on

Frankly I had not a heck of an idea what terms like "zionist" or "AIPAC", or other accusations hurled  at us, ordinary Iranians mean. I just know they translate into a support for Israel. I am the last person to support Israel in their war against palistinians, and I guess most Iranoians feel the same. Having said that, the question remains, why Iranains complaining about internal iranian issues are somehow related and branded as "Israeli agents". It sounds like a diversionary tactic by the regime. That was the core of my response to Sargord.

As for the war issue, I have family in Iran, I love Iran and dont want it to be harmed. So I am aginst any foreign aggression on Iran. But the regime is giving ample excuses to both Israel and US to launch an attack. I wonder sometimes if they want this attack to happen.....


Bavafa

Abarmard jaan:

by Bavafa on

Although I agree that Israel by itself does not have the capability to attack Iran in a successful way, I would not set this beyond them to coerce US to either take the lead or take a rather strong supporting role in this crime. Furthermore, it is highly unlikely that in such event, Israeli attack on Iran, US would not join the war and help the Zionist Israel.

We all have seen a totally insane war with Iraq and how it all started. Many failed to take their threat seriously and fight the moronic GWB's drive to war. As a result, many thousand Americans along with many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have lost their lives. We have seen for in the last 60 years how Israel have started so many devastating war on its neighbors without any real impunity.

Have we forgotten Gaza? Do we want Iran to turn like another Gaza? We all have to do our outmost to prevent yet another genocide, this time in Iran.

Fooladi: Rhetoric aside, I do believe that vast majority of Iranians are against IRI and AN, but I highly doubt they would consider themselves Zionist or even a Zionist supporters. Any war on Iran will result only for Iranians to set aside their hate for IRI and fight for Iran. It will also give IRI thugs the last excuse to be as brutal as ever towards any dissident.

Mehrdad


waldo

sargood's chant

by waldo on

Mar Bar Yarmulke


fooladi

Sargord is right. there are approx 70 million zionists in Iran

by fooladi on

He brands anyone who opposes the islamist regime of being zionist. He brands anyone who is not being paid by the islamist regime to write on their behalf as zionists. He brands anyone who speaks the truth as zionist.

 Then apart from a few thousand foreign residing agents of the regime and their bassiji clolleagues back in Iran, raeady to jump on the plane to Damescus, toronto or london in case of serious uprising, the rest of us, with no financial ties to the regime and hearts filled with love for Iran, Iranians and liberty must be zionists according to his bizzare definition ! 


AMIR1973

Sargord,

by AMIR1973 on

Amir, those author's works you cite are generally posted by others in the news section of IC.

Phony Sargord, you're lying again: they are placed in the general section of IC, where the commentaries and opinion pieces are. Now, for propagandizing on behalf of the most anti-Iran, violent and repressive regime in recent history, that makes you a real piece of...well, you know.


Raoul1955

And

by Raoul1955 on

could the author also post links to the Israeli documents that support this claim?
Reminder: When someone makes a claim, it is the responsibility of the claimant to provide the supporting documents.


Abarmard

Great reminder of Israeli threat

by Abarmard on

Thanks for posting this. At this moment however Israel is not capable of attacking. Understanding how irrational Israel maybe, the US importance by providing capital and military support is the key factor in Israeli decision making process.

Israel in the past five years has lost most of its credibility in the world, ranging from politics to economy. They are not in a position to be believable by the world opinion. 

Assuming that they attack and force the United States in to a war with Iran. I believe that would greatly set back the US-Israeli relations. I take the Iranian politicians seriously when they declare the end of Israel if they attack Iran. I believe that Israelis should too.

There are alarming points in this article that should be taken seriously by all the peaceful citizens.


Sargord Pirouz

Amir, those author's works

by Sargord Pirouz on

Amir, those author's works you cite are generally posted by others in the news section of IC. And they are not part of a greater organization, advocating war or economic war against anybody. 

If someone from IC wishes to post AIPAC/WINEP etc. material (such as today's posting of Charles Krauthammer) in the news section, that's different than the postings of articles on the main page.

I have to say, you don't find this kind of thing on Israeli versions of iranian.com, which is a sad and shameful commentary on certain members of the exile community.

And I also have to say, Amir, you argue like a juvenile. You remind me of the mentally disadvantaged in elementary school. 


AMIR1973

Here's the deal, Phony Sargord

by AMIR1973 on

West-residing pro-Rapist, anti-Iran advocates like yourself also have articles posted by others on IC (e.g. Kaveh Afrasiabi, Ardeshir Ommani, etc). Like everything else that comes out of your mouth, this notion is lame and imbecilic. But if you like, I will consider "posting a disclaimer" more frequently on your gibberish. Cheers  :-)


Sargord Pirouz

Well here's the deal, Amir.

by Sargord Pirouz on

Well here's the deal, Amir. Those articles on the main page sourced from AIPAC/WINEP etc aren't being posted by the authors. If they were, that would be one thing. But they're not. That's why a disclaimer should be attached.

Actual forum participants that hold pro-Zionist views-- like Fred-- that's another thing altogether. That's a forum member's opinion, and he's entitled to his opinion, however wrong.

In your case, I'm not advocating a disclaimer be attached to your posts, such as "anti-Iran cheerleader". Within the IC community, we're aware such opinions are being expressed by fellow forum members. 


AMIR1973

"Disclaimers" for none or for everyone

by AMIR1973 on

Your notion is imbecilic, but if it were to be followed should be done so consistently. In which case, AIPAC gets a pro-Zionist disclaimer and the West-residing IRI Groupies get a pro-Rapist, anti-Iranian disclaimer. 


Sargord Pirouz

Come on, Amir, you don't

by Sargord Pirouz on

Come on, Amir, you don't think those postings sourced from AIPAC or WINEP should have a disclaimer attached?

Any opinion on the matter, beyond the usual intellectual laziness of resorting to personal attacks?


Rosva

Sanity

by Rosva on

It's amusing how these guys call themselves " Professionals for Sanity".

If sanity means letting a regime like IRI go nuke, and  trying to wipe out other states, so I prefer to be insane.


Sargord Pirouz

I don't think a boycott is

by Sargord Pirouz on

I don't think a boycott is in order.

Just paste a disclaimer to those articles posted on the main page that originate from pro-Zionist, anti-Iran organizations such as AIPAC, WINEP, or those written from Tel Aviv.


BoycottIraniandotcom

I encourage hamvatans to boycott this AIPAC dominated website

by BoycottIraniandotcom on

As you can see from the articles, this purportedly Iranian site's content is
anti Iranian and comes largely from an Israeli/AIPAC perspective, which is
offensive to the vast majority of Iranians. Please do not engage with this site
except to warn other Iranians.

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Sargord Pirouz

The blog written by former

by Sargord Pirouz on

The blog written by former US Army Green Beret Pat Lang (who signed this letter) is a must read.

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bushtheliberator

Good Grief ! There's a new one every day here." Bombs Away ! '

by bushtheliberator on

 Is it something in the water, or do these guys have a side-line selling bomb shelters.