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BehroozAzarin

Of Course, we are to blame for the coup, the war, the chemical bombs, the shooting down of civilian plane, hundreds of thousands dead and millions injured in Iran and Iraq war and U.S. to be forgiven. 

You are misquoting me. We are not to blame for any of the above. But wiser actions would have avoided or minimized the harm. I have already explained the mistakes many times and will not repeat myself. You think what you want. My suggestions will only help Iran. But I don't run Iran and neither do you. They are going to do what they want. The IRI leadership is making huge mistakes. They are going to get Iran in another bind. Why not use India's approach. Is India a puppet? No

veiled

It is always very easy to look back and second guess.  Mistakes are being made today in every country all over the world and you expect no mistakes be made in Iran after a revolution under those conditions?  Iran perhaps would have freed the hostages sooner if it wasn't for the war raged by the west through Saddam. That intensified the tension and resulted in prolonging the hostage situation. Then the hostages were used to shield Iran against U.S. attacks. It is possible that if it wasn't for the hostages in Iran, we would have been bombed then and many would have been killed.  So you see, we can second guess all we want, but who can tell for sure what could have happened.  

Of Course, we are to blame for the coup, the war, the chemical bombs, the shooting down of civilian plane, hundreds of thousands dead and millions injured in Iran and Iraq war and U.S. to be forgiven. 

Saddam is to blame for over 1,300,000 dead. Ben for thousands in Afhanistan and others for other parts of the world and U.S. is to be forgiven.

Negotiation? Yes  Bull Shit? No

So long friend this was my last posting.

Someone wrote on this site

Someone wrote on this site that the hostage taking was a lesson learned from the 1953 revolution to prevent another coup. It was a reaction to previous western actions and possible threats in 1979. It makes sense.  

It was the wrong lesson and the wrong action. First of all Carter pressured the Shah to back down. He was not about to do a coupe. Second the simpler action would have been to close the US embassy and send them home. That single action cost Iran 8 billion dollars and gave enemies of Iran the biggest excuse to hurt us.

The real reason was the the Marxists worried Khomeini was going to get cozy with US. They wanted to make sure there is no change of that. In addition the radicals wanted to weaken Bazargan. They did not want Bazargn's moderate Islamism. They wanted red meat. 

Great they got their way. Carter got humiliated and kicked out. Replaced by the ten times more blood thirsty Reagan. Then the West got Saddam to attack Iran and cost us hundreds of thousands of lives. Despite these Iran got the upper hand. However the hot heads in IRI refused to take the billion of Kuwait money and kept the war.

So instead of billions of reparations  we got 7-8 additional years. Finally Khomeini settled for a deal worse than the one offered when Iran was really winning. 

Politics is not for the rash. It is an art not a boxing match. You seem to have Iran's best in your heart. But I don't agree with your methods.

veiled

A worse British doesn't make U.S. good.  Being good to you, doesn't make them good. It makes them good to you.  They can lie, they can play with words and pretend, but history is the proof.

Someone wrote on this site that the hostage taking was a lesson learned from the 1953 revolution to prevent another coup. It was a reaction to previous western actions and possible threats in 1979. It makes sense.  

So they do whatever they want and it is us who is belligerent and we should forgive them?  They just killed civilians in Afghanistan and said, we are sorry and went on to kill some more today. 

The fact that you are worried about what U.S. might do is a proof that you know they are not good and how blood thirsty they are.  You say, people are good and brainwashed by government. They are the same people you call good. Once they have some power they show their real face.  Good luck telling that to the girl whose whole family was killed and raped by the people in U.S. army.

Of course, it is us to blame and them to be forgiven. No wonder why we are beeing sanctioned and threaten with war. By blaming ourselves we are build their case and handing them the rope.      

Regards,

BehroozAzarin

Oh please, don't tell me they are good people. Good people don't do what they have done. We need to look at it as a whole to what they have done to others in the world, not what you and I have accomplished.

I am talking  about the people not the government. The US government brainwashes its people just like IRI brainwashes Iranians. I have lived in US and Europe. I was here in the middle of the hostage crisis. I found American people to be far more decent than the Europeans and accepting of Iranians in particular. 

Iranians have decided to become independent. They don't want to pay
protection fees to Mafia and bullies and be forced to do as they
order. 

Well then it failed because the IRI is not independent. They pay big money to China and Russia for protection. Anyway it is impossible to be independent in the world. Even the mighty US depends on China to lend it money. No one is independent.

Having a country as a friend by choice is different that being forced to having a country as a friend. If we can even ever call it a friend, as I personally will never ever trust them. 

I feel that way about Britain. But not about US. I have lived in both nations. US is a cow ready to be milked by those who know how to do it. UK is a vampire ready to suck blood. Besides you don't need to trust anyone to deal with them in a non hostile way.

This forgiving, is forgetting.

No it is not. I will not forget about the Iranian jetliner downed by the US. I also do not forgive the commander and higher ups who ordered it. But I do want to go past it. We cannot live for revenge.

As in your advice. We have tried "befarma and beshin" for years they haven't worked. It is time to speak their language and thatis "betamarg". 

Taking hostages was not exactly saying "Befarma". These actions spiral. At some point the spiral needs to be broken. Or there will be more hate and deaths on all sides.

Behrooz: I do not want to compromise Iranian interests. But I think it is easier to get there if we are not so belligerent. 

veiled

Oh please, don't tell me they are good people. Good people don't do what they have done. We need to look at it as a whole to what they have done to others in the world, not what you and I have accomplished. They do whatever that serves their interest. Some turn out to be good for the world and a lot turn out to be bad. Then they use the good to justify and do more bad in the name of good. It is that simple.

Iranians have decided to become independent. They don't want to pay protection fees to Mafia and bullies and be forced to do as they order.  Having a country as a friend by choice is different that being forced to having a country as a friend. If we can even ever call it a friend, as I personally will never ever trust them.  Forgiving is when you see a real change in actions not the repeat of the same old actions. This forgiving, is forgetting.

As in your advice. We have tried "befarma and beshin" for years they haven't worked. It is time to speak their language and that is "betamarg". 

With Regards

BehroozAzarin

No offense taken. I did not mean that you were disrespectful: you were not.

My point is that there are many ways to skin the cat. My grandmother used to say that you may say:

• Beshin
• Betamarg
• Befarma

They all mean the same. But you will get very different results. We have opponents which are a lot bigger than us. The biggest one is a very good potential ally. We need to wisely deal with them. What I lost were two people. They are gone and nothing will bring them back. But much more important to me is Iran. All of Iranian people. I do not want to see them joining my lost ones.

Now lets stop bragging and instead put our minds to use. The American people are basically good natured even the rednecks. They are not assholes like the British. We just need to talk to them the right way and they will be our friends. This does not mean bending over. I know that; I lived here for over 30 years. We are a lot better off with America on our side and believe me it is not that hard to do. 

I have lost many friends too. That is just one of the reasons that I cannot forget and forgive. 

Forget no; forgive yes. If we do not forgive then we are doomed to fighting. What happens when IRI is gone? Say my side the Seculars take over. Should we take revenge on the Islamists? Or should we forgive at least most of them. The Islamists went on a rampage and killed a lot of people they thought were on the side of Shah. If the next regimes does the same then we are going to have more bloodshed and more people go into exile. My vote is prosecute the worst but forgive as a rule.

veiled

Don't take my comments personally. I am not disrespecting or trying to argue with you. Just like you, I don't want any harm to Iran and Iranians.  want it to be by outsiders or insiders. I cannot agree with what doesn't make sense to me. What seems logical to me might not seem logical to you. But as you said, we are all entitled to our opinions.  That is why we are trying to understand each other's opinion. I am Sorry for your loss.  I have lost many friends too. That is just one of the reasons that I cannot forget and forgive.

Of course peace is the best option but a mutually respected peace without lies, conditions and threats.

My point to all of these was that they are not a big deal. There are ways to take down someone even ten times your size if it comes down to it and you have to. You just have to know where to hit and hit hard.

peace.

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BehroozAzarin

He is AN because I am VPK. It is shorthand for his name. Neither disrespectful nor rude. You need to calm down.

You so much remind me of myself many years ago. Even your name is that of one of my lost family members.

All of that in the old days. Before I became VPK. Before I lost so many family members and before I lost my innocence.

veiled

I am not going in circle.  It is a straight to me.

I see, you are going with what is the fashion these days.  call him AN and be accepted by some.

Why is he AN? Because he defends Iran's rights?  Because he wants to cut corruption? Because he is trying to distribute some of the country's income to the poor in villages rather than all being sucked up by big cities? Because he wants a highly developed and advanced Iran? Because he wants to reduce the interest rate so that everyone can afford a loan and not pay 30% interest to the banks? Because he has tried to unite with some of the developing countries. 

Yes. I agree. IRI has played into their hands, Not by standing up for Iran's rights but by what IRI has done with respect to political prisoners and human rights since 1979. 

Obama preached peace. He got peace prize that is decorating his wall.  Meanwhile his peace is killing people.  I wouldn't count on their promises if i were you. That is just part of their game.

BehroozAzarin

We are going in circles again. Look any one with a brain knows that there is a rivalry between Israel and Iran. It was there before the IRI. It will be there after IRI is gone.  The problem is that IRI turned it from a peaceful rivalry into a cold war. Now they are both threatening each other. The right solution is the make peace and compete instated of threaten.

I agree that AN has little power. The real power is with Khamenei or possibly with the military. As for killing AN is not the one doing the killing. It is the basiji and the goons under the command of Khamenei and the other Mullahs. And yes Behrooz they have killed a lot of people. They have also beaten and raped many more.

Anyway you are entitled to your opinion. I don't have much more to add. You know what I think already. 

VPK

veiled

You wrote, I am obsessed with Israel and making a big deal out of it. Now you write, Israel is behind it. 

It is not Ahmadinejad that is making a big deal out of them by defending Iran's international rights. Making a big deal is when you fear them and do whatever they force you to do.  So crying won't help.  The question is whether we want to be independent or not?  Yes, India has negotiated to be raped one way not all the way around like they used to by British.

Iran doesn't need nuclear bomb to turn the world into hell, world has already turned into hell by so called peace loving humanitarians from west and Israel in the name of democrocy and freedom. Don't make mistake! When they speak of freedom and democrocy, they are talking about theirs not yours.  When they kill and rape civilians, it doesn't count and you hear the typical sorry crap, but when they are killed the world must pay. 

Militarily speaking, Remember 95% of power is the Air Force. Take that away! what are left are Sitting Ducks.

Now, if you want to speak about internal issues, I can give you some credit, but I must admit even then, Ahmadinejad has killed a lot less than previous governments. If such a chaos were to take place in previous governments, there would be thousands dead and tens of thousands arrested. That is if we consider him totally responsible. Because with Khamenei, sepah and others who have their own ways, I am not sure how much power a president has in Iran. 

BehroozAzarin

I have faith in reason and logic. I suspect you are a lot younger than me. I used to be a hot head too and maybe that is why you think I am on the fence.

Look I understand your anger at foreign governments. Every time I hear BBC say "The Gulf" I want to puke. But I also know a frontal attack against a vastly more powerful enemy is stupid. The US is not the one making the threats. It is Israel. But Israel cannot do anything without US permission. The Obama administration really wants to make peace with Iran. Now if we had reasonable leadership we would take Obama and the US to the cleaners. But IRI wants to sit there and make statements.

The result is that we lose and Iran loses. Remember the war with Iraq. We could have milked Kuwait for billions in reparations a few years into it. But Khomeini had misplaced faith in victory. So it took another 6-7 years cost a lot more lives for nothing. 

For god's sake man think about it. Do you want slogans or do you want an powerful Iran? Getting in a brawl is not the only way to win. In fact it is usually a bad way.

valeid

Iran is responding to threats not picking a fight, but if it come down to it, running won't help.  Iran is not Iraq or Afghanistan. Any attack on Iran will turn the region to a no fly zone.

I have been there, I have done that. Don't let the size fool you. Otherwise, you cannot even take down Ahmadinejad. You seem to be on the edge. You should go do some fishing and relax and use your imagination.  How did you become a prophet of khorastan without any faith?

What a pile of BS from XerXes

Well friends, Iran CAN CONTROL THE FLOW OF ECONOMIC LIFE for the world. That's why no one will let Iran go, we got to CUT THEIR HANDS OFF ourselves.

If Iran were to block the Horomozd Straights the other nations will unite and occupy southern Iran. Including the coast of Persian Gulf. They would occupy the oil fields. And then people like you sir will eat their words. As for cutting people's hands off Islam has done enough of that.

By god I have not heard so much garbage and "hart or pourt" since Saddam. I am sick of replying to people like you and the rest. Go pick the fight be my guest.

I love this report that shows the West is shitting in their pants.

The West is licking its chops waiting for a chance to go in. They get to occupy the oil fields and write their own contracts. Brilliant XerXes really brilliant. With hamvatans like yourself and Behzad who needs enemies.

BehroozAzarin

Why don't you go and try taking on someone ten times your size. I like to see that. You are obviously impervious to logic or reason. So go throw your own life away. But I see you sitting behind your nice comfortable computer and saying "lengesh kon".  I don't care how much fight there is in someone. Picking a fight you cannot win is stupid.

Thanks to you and other like you we may find out the hard way. Just like Saddam did. The only silver lining is watching the Mullahs end up like Saddam. It won't make up for the inevitable losses of people. But it will at least provide some justice.

Mohammad Alireza

Iran has the right to use any types of energy. want it to be oil, nuclear, solar or anything else. Today they say no nuclear energy, tomorrow they will say no shuttle to space, no satellite and etc. Then what? Are you gong to stop them too. They are already criticizing the launch of satellites to space. So there is no stopping for them. The weaker you act, the more aggressive they become.  The answer to your carpet comment is, Fire wall.

Valeid.

It is not the size of the dog in the fight. It is the size of the fight in the dog.  I think standing up for your right is not stupid thing to do, bending over is. You call the western offer negotiation?  I call it pure Bull Shit.  You may not see the threat of U.S. and Israel expansion, but Iran does. 

I hate the Islamic whatever and regime that is forceful

but hey let me tell you that i like it when i see the West is puzzled at what to do with Iran. see, we are a product of these bastards hurting us for years. they have owned us and have really raped our nation to pieces. we could never stand up to these bullies and their agents. NOW FOR THE FIRST TIME IN OUR HISTORY, THINGS ABOUT TO CHANGE. hahaha.
It's not the matter of bring it on, but the point that these guys WANT to BRING IT ON but they can't. You think they are strong and can damage anyone and anything. Yes they can, but they are also pussies. They can't handle taking their own nations back in time when their own economies will suffer dramatically.
This is what I want for Iran, I want the bomb. Nothing will stop these bastards and bullies but force and power. Iranian government has my vote if they can produce the bomb, what Shah (God bless his soul) had dreamed.

Those who don't have a clue as what Iran is and will be with powerful tools, then need to open their eyes and see what their western buddies see in threat of powerful Iran. Their threat is our glory.

I like to have no poverty, freedom of singing and dancing and of course secular and respected regimes, but there are just somethings that we got to do before we can realistically get there?
Why is turkey there, Iraq there, and all the other US allies there and Iran not? Well friends, Iran CAN CONTROL THE FLOW OF ECONOMIC LIFE for the world. That's why no one will let Iran go, we got to CUT THEIR HANDS OFF ourselves. The bastards know that Iran is not Arabic or other countries, but just like their own. We can do anything, even better than them and they are afraid. They gave our country to mullas to throw us back in time, which they did, but didn't know that Iranians are unstoppable and with or without a good government will be powerful. AND NOW, mullas will bite their asses nice. I like it. And no, don't worry, it won't be the mullas who intimidate the bullies, the bullies are just bullies. They only will know force and believe me, you got to stand up and push the bastards away from your home. This is what nationalists should do and stand for. Hope we get the bomb soon.

I love this report that shows the West is shitting in their pants.

God Bless Iran and may God help Iran become more powerful. Let cut the bastards' hands forever.

Again, as noted before,

The regime is itching for a conflict and their goons here believe that the military might of the Islamic divine will result in the victory of forces of islam over the infidel and one day everyone will turn to Mecca for prayers............ 

One would have to hope that these people are not that stupid to actaully believe their own non-sense that they can go against a much bigger and stronger enemy and come out ahead, but hey, look at our country for the past 30 years.......Of course, when the government does not care about the welfare of its people, the line between "bravery", zeal and stupidity becomes very very fine and most of the time, non-existent! 

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Re: The more you read

Abarmard jan,

It you just put a link we could follow it. I rather read what you have to say in the post. Then follow the link. So what is your own point?

The more you read

What Do Empires Do?
by Michael Parenti

When I wrote my book Against Empire in 1995, as might be expected, some of my U.S. compatriots thought it was wrong of me to call the United States an empire. It was widely believed that U.S. rulers did not pursue empire; they intervened abroad only out of self-defense or for humanitarian rescue operations or to restore order in a troubled region or overthrow tyranny, fight terrorism, and propagate democracy.  

But by the year 2000, everyone started talking about the United States as an empire and writing books with titles like Sorrows of Empire, Follies of Empire,  Twilight of Empire, or Empire of Illusions--- all referring to the United States when they spoke of empire.

Even conservatives started using the word.  Amazing. One could hear right-wing pundits announcing on U.S. television, “We’re an empire, with all the  responsibilities and opportunities of empire and we better get used to it”; and “We are the strongest nation in the world and have every right to act as such”---as if having the power gives U.S. leaders an inherent entitlement to exercise it upon others as they might wish.

“What is going on here?” I asked myself at the time. How is it that so many people feel free to talk about empire when they mean a United States empire?  The ideological orthodoxy had always been that, unlike other countries, the USA did not indulge in colonization and conquest.

The answer, I realized, is that the word has been divested of its full meaning. “Empire” seems nowadays to mean simply dominion and control. Empire---for most of these late-coming critics--- is concerned almost exclusively with power and prestige.  What is usually missing from the public discourse is the process of empire and its politico-economic content.  In other words, while we hear a lot about empire, we hear very little about imperialism.

Now that is strange, for imperialism is what empires are all about. Imperialism is what empires do. And by imperialism I do not mean the process of extending power and dominion without regard to material and financial interests. Indeed “imperialism” has been used by some authors in the same empty way that they use the word “empire,” to simply denote dominion and control with little attention given to political economic realities.

But I define imperialism as follows: the process whereby the dominant investor interests in one country bring to bear their economic and military power upon another nation or region in order to expropriate its land, labor, natural resources, capital, and markets—in such a manner as to enrich the investor interests. In a word, empires do not just pursue “power for power’s sake.”  There are real and enormous material interests at stake, fortunes to be made many times over.

So for centuries the ruling interests of Western Europe and later on North America and Japan went forth with their financiers---and when necessary their armies---to lay claim to most of planet Earth, including the labor of indigenous peoples (both as workers and slaves), their markets, their incomes (through colonial taxation or debt control or other means), and the abundant treasures of their lands: their gold, silver, diamonds, copper, rum, molasses, hemp, flax, ebony, timber, sugar, tobacco, ivory, iron, tin, nickel, coal, cotton, corn, and more recently: uranium, manganese, titanium, bauxite, oil, and---say it again—oil (hardly a complete listing).

Empires are enormously profitable for the dominant economic interests of the imperial nation but enormously costly to the people of the colonized country.  In addition to suffering the pillage of their lands and natural resources, the people of these targeted countries are frequently killed in large numbers by the intruders.

This is another thing that empires do which too often goes unmentioned in the historical and political literature of countries like the United States , Britain , and France . Empires impoverish whole populations and kill lots and lots of innocent people. As I write this, President Obama and the national security state for which he works are waging two and a half wars (Iraq, Afghanistan, and northern Pakistan), and leveling military threats against Yemen, Iran, and, on a slow day, North Korea. Instead of sending medical and rescue aid to Haiti, Our Bomber sent in the Marines, the same Marines who engaged in years of  repression and killings in Haiti decades ago and supported more recent massacres by proxy forces.

The purpose of all this killing is to prevent alternative, independent, self-defining nations from emerging. So the empire uses its state power to gather private wealth for its investor class. And it uses its public wealth to shore up its state power and prevent other nations from self-developing.

Sooner or later this arrangement begins to wilt under the weight of its own contradictions. As the empire grows more menacing and more murderous toward others, it grows sick and impoverished within itself.

From ancient times to today, empires have always been involved in the bloody accumulation of wealth. If you don’t think this is true of the United States then stop calling it “Empire.” And when you write a book about how it wraps its arms around the planet, entitle it “Global Bully” or “Bossy Busybody,” but be aware that you’re not telling us much about imperialism.

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Michael Parenti's recent books include: God and His Demons (Prometheus 2010); Contrary Notions: The Michael Parenti Reader (City Lights); The Assassination of Julius Caesar (New Press), Superpatriotism (City Lights), The Culture Struggle (Seven Stories Press).  For further information, visit his website: www.michaelparenti.org.

My knowledge of Military

No offence, care to tell us where does your confidence in military knowledge stem from? You seem to have spent much time in studying Mahdi and street protests that it is hard to believe you have been colleged in anything military or for that matter scientific related!

FYI: I studied military strategy at one of the top US universities. My studies included both conventional and nuclear strategies. 

But that is not the point. Anyone with a brain having watched US in action knows that neither IRI nor any other nation has a chance against the US. Remember Saddam's army. Wiped out. The asymmetric warfare did better but still lost. Same in Afghanistan.  US spends over 100 times on military than IRI. Its weapons have better range. In Iraq US had its tanks stay outside of Iraqi range and pick them off. It is stupid to deny the obvious facts. A military confrontation is bad for Iran.

Why don't you take a look at your own home in Lebanon. Was that war good? No it trashed Lebanon. Stop looking to Iran to bail you out. Find your own solution. At the end any Iranian government will put its own interests ahead of yours.

BehroozAzarin:

Mohammad Alireza has made some very good points.

I wll add once more. Israel is not Iran's problem. The IRI is playing right into the hands of its opponents by making Israel a big deal. US does have an interest in controlling the ME specially the Persian Gulf. The Mullahs are giving them the excuse to pressure Iran. 

Your belligerent rethoric is what is putting Iran in danger. That and the obsession with Israel. Stop both and the threats will vanish. Having a brain and negotiating is not the same as being a puppet. Is India a puppet? Nevertheless they negotiate and are reasonable. 

You talk real tough so why don't you try an experiment: Go to a bar; threaten the biggest and meanest guy there for no reason. Then see what happens.

VPK

Why do you IRR apologists keep dreaming of WWIII? This is the same
bravado that both Saddam and the Taliban had. There is not going to be a
"World War". I do not want a war; I oppose it. But I have no delusions
as to the outcome. I know if there is a war it will take a couple of
days before IRR falls apart.

Israel will not attack Iran without US permission and involvement. If
that happens almost all of IRR military capacity specially missiles will
be taken out. This will happen before IRR radars even detect an
incoming missile.  US attack will be massive and will leave the Mullahs
with little more than rocks to throw. 

No offence, care to tell us where does your confidence in military knowledge stem from? You seem to have spent much time in studying Mahdi and street protests that it is hard to believe you have been colleged in anything military or for that matter scientific related!

BehroozAzarin

BehroozAzarin:
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The Iranian government, be it a democratic government or a religious dictatorship, has as its very first duty the defense of the nation.
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Would Israel be reacting in this manner if Iran was not interfering through Hamas and Hezbollah? I doubt it. However, Israel wants to remain the only nuclear power in the Middle East and the closer Iran gets to knowing how to make a nuclear bomb the greater threat it is to Israel's monopoly.
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There is no doubt that American foreign policy is to control the Middle East, be it through puppet regimes or military domination. American's are 6% of the world's population but consume 25% of the world's oil and to keep this arrangement they have to have military domination over the rest of the world. Iran's independence and non-compliance and ability to retaliate militarily is a direct threat to America's hegemony.
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Iran has gained enough power over the past decade that it is in a position to negotiate with the American's from a position of strength but unfortunately our current leadership is so scattered, fearful, and unable to let go of the past that no coherent policy has been formulated.
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Iran does not need nuclear energy or a nuclear bomb. Conventional military weapons and asymmetrical tactics can protect the nation. Solar energy technology has reached a point that with the same investment it is making in its nuclear energy industry Iran could generate all the energy it needs. Just take a look at Desertec's site and ask yourself why Iran can not do the same.
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//www.desertec.org/en/
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Eventually Iranians will establish democracy and the rule of law. All this talk about war is pure nonsense and a re-hash of issues debated during Bush's time. The Brookings Institute can conduct war games until it is blue in the face. It's time to end all talk of a military solution, plus pushing for crippling sanctions, and look for real solutions.

Mohammad Alireza

What is your point? That Iran should do as they say to avoid war?  Till when Iran should shut up and put up?  Who is making war threats? Some say Ahmadinejad is putting Iran in danger with his comments toward Israel.  If anything, it is the fear of such possibilities in becoming a reality that has stoped the enemy. In case of any attacks, there should be no ifs or buts and ten missiles are too few. So they'd better not make any stupid mistakes.

Some say, if we had a democratic government, we wouldn't have any problem with west. Of Course by that, they mean a pro western puppet government. They just replace the puppet with democratic.  Well, history proves that isn't true.

before attacking

Before attacking Iraq, western media ran a lot of articles glorifying the Iraqi  military arsenal and as such drove this message in the head of Saddam that he is invincible.

And he bought it, we all saw the result.

This game has been played for a long time. Let's not fall for it.

Does anyone know about Richard Bull who tried to manufacture the biggest gun for Saddam ? LOL

Agreed.

Veiled:

Of course Israel will not suffer any significant damage but the point is that some in Iran have the idiotic idea that a country with 150 nuclear missiles can be taunted, threatened, and dictated to. And of course the Muslim world will not rise up if Iran was attacked but some Iranian "leaders" think otherwise, again proving how out of touch they are. And no it will not be WW3, though some would like to make it so.
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But Iran does have the capability to block the Straits of Hormuz for a short period of time and if it does it will be a direct threat to the economies of so many countries that most likely they will all gang up on Iran and very quickly unblock it and then will occupy the southern region of Iran so that never again can the Straits be blocked.
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The point is there are no military options. This includes Israel's constant threat of attacking Iran.
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Regrettably most wars are stupidly stumbled into, no matter how many war games are conducted prior to an attack.
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Bringing into the open the stupid thinking may just help to prevent war.

Re: Anti-war does not mean regime supporter.

I am opposed to war myself. The best way to avoid war is to stop taunting the powerful. Unfortunately there are those who are filled with bravado. Their claims are in this form:

• Attacking Iran will be WWIII.
• Iran will wipe out Israel.
• Iran will close the Hormozd Straights. 
• The whole Muslim world will raise.

This sort of false bravado is very similar to Bush saying "bring em on" except that Bush had the military power to back it. It is exactly what Saddam said. It is asking the US to attack and thumbing their nose at them. What if US said: fine and took them up. Then what? Potentially large number of Iranian soldiers will die. A lot of this military hardware will be turned into scrap metal. Depleted Uranium all over Iranian land. And a lot of shocked Islamists after Mehdi does not show up. I don't want that.

I prefer the wiser approach of keeping cool and making friends. I am not an 18 year old hyped up kid looking for a fight. A lot of so called peace types sure act like that. AN definitely acts that way. That's my point.