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حالا با زبون قلمبه سلمبه داره میگه "شکر خوردم" عجب

باز هم به غیرت این یکی.  اون دکتر حبیبی رو بگو فقط لمبونده و گامبو شده و اصلآ این حرفها هم خیالش نیست

jamshid

don't waste your time with midwesty.  i tried to no avail for him to enlighten us with soroush's knowledge.  i doubt that he ever read his works or he understood it.  he just repeats by saying "go and read his books."  he did not respond to soroush's recent quotes that other commenters posted.  he said that soroush has changed but did not elaborate how he has changed.  he did not respond to the question of what was the consequences of soroush's actions before he changed.  if you think you'll get a direct or genuine response to a question/comment, you're just wasting your time.

Soroush

I wonder if anyone at Harvard asks this man about his past. How does Soroush feel about all these non Muslims running around Harvard? Is it possible to be true to himself. Yet share a lecture hall with Baha'i; Jews and atheists. Not to mention Cambridge MA has a vibrant Pagan and Wiccan life.

Midwesty

You remind me of the pro-khomeini people early during the revolution. You steal the words right out of their mouth. Just as you are trying to show off Soroush by referring to his past work, they too showed off the "scholarly" works of Khomeini to others in order to gain support.

If only we had the chance to read the "fantastic" scholarly works of Khomeini. Alas, the previous regime had banned them!

So, as someone who has read Soroush's work, I encourage others to purchase a few of his books and writings, and browse through them. They can see for themselves the kind of "mozakhrafaat" that his man believes in.

In general Soroush and his likes are the byproduct of a tortured attempt to cling to old Islamic traditions while at the same time giving it a modern face. Dr. Shariati excelled in this. Now the children of Khomeini and Shariati, i.e., Soroush and his likes, are continuing this tortourous path.

Folks, I knew these kind of people from the early 80s. I mean it when I say they are torturing themselves. This "torment" is clearly depicted in their works and writings.

The bottom line Midwesty is that these people are "passe", of the past, outmoded and obsolete. There are far better, brighter individuals you can follow than these bankrupt ones.

worcester

my condolences regarding your mother.  i too missed my mother's funeral.  when i did go to her grave on her 'year' i was somehow glad that i hadn't been there for her funeral.  the burial process in behesht zahra is astonishingly undignified.  in the office of behesht zahra, there are throngs of people with no order trying to turn in the birth certificate of their loved ones at the 'teller windows' so that the birth certificate can be traded in with the death certificate. that's the first step to start the burial process.  there are people pushing their way in and holding the birth certificate above their heads to get attention of the tellers.  i think there were about 150 people there with couple of windows open at the time.  outside the office, there are stores where you can buy religious materials, black clothes, flowers, etc.  it's a bazari business atmosphere.  while in front and to the side of the shops, you see some corpses in white coffin on the ground where the family members are saying their fateheh before the burial or before the paperwork is done.  back then, i thought if i was there for my mother's funeral, i would've been the one with the birth certificate trying to weave my way into that confusion to get her death certificae instead of grieving with dignity.  i thank her for having me prepared for behesht zahra before she died; she told me "when i die, don't bother going to my grave to visit me because i won't be there.  if there's a god, i'll be in a better place.  think of me when you're at your home, a beach, anywhere but don't think i'm waiting for you in behesht zahra."

soroush and people like him ruined many people's lives.  those who say he has changed now or khatami (or mousavi or ....) has changed now, they are not being sincere.  if these people have changed, their first step is to acknowledge how they have changed and how their previous behavior has impacted people's lives.  they truly have not changed and just have altered their sermons according to change in political climate.

WM - I feel your personal losses - NO MAAS

I know what it feels like when you cannot go back to honor the passing of your loved ones or share in the joy of new beginings. 

I will have some tough questions for this A-hole if I hear him talk in our area.

PS, I hear Hadaf HS got the same treatment as Alborz.

Souroush is a criminal

I am one of then young people who got the middle finger from this asshole when i was applying for university in Iran.  In 1980, when war started, I was a senior at Alborz HS.  Then Alborz was a great high school even though the mullah's have brought some of the very poor students from the loyal neighborhoods to them to destroy our HS.  THe idea was to break the group of very good students who mostly were leaning left.  An idea supported by this man.  (Alborz due to it's proximity to Amir Kabir Technical Insitute, was a breathing ground for a lot of leftist ideas.)  Anyhow, this man, Idiot Souroush, was responsible for closing the Universities in the Spring of 1980 and was in charge of the "Cultural Revolution".  Then they opened bunch of small schools and as getting into anything meant avoiding the war.  So, the entrance exam even for dinky schools such as the Teacher's College "tarbeat'eh moallam", would have thousands of very good applicants.  But in order to get in you had to be well versed in the writing of this guy.  And then they would do an "interview" where they would ask you stuff this man wrote. That is after the initial exam.   There were two problems with that, one was that it was frankly- and pardon my French- total 'koseh shayr' and two that even when you tried, you couldn't understand what this idiot was talking about.  He was and always will be an advocate of Islam and the rule of clergies.  Now, after several beatings in the hand of his own created basiiji, he is  sitting in Harvard and declaring BS.  The man needs to go back and fight from there if he truly means what he thinks.  He is too chicken-shit.  I hope one day I see him face to face.  Although- despite being labeled by his minions as "morally unfit" and therefore not able to pursuit my studies there- i have end up doing great, he lost me my family and changed the arc of my life.  Now, I live and work in this empty country, can't go back, lost everyone over there due to age, disease and distance,etc.  Never was there when my mother died, my sisters got married, etc., etc., All because of this idiot.  An apology will be the least he can do.

Moosir

I am not spamming. The articles are about Soroush and therefore I address the subject face on. I don't discuss Soroush where he is not the subject of blog or discussion.

As for what you see below, like many others I use the allowed "signature" to represent my point of view. 

visit: www.iransecular.org       شعار ملت ما، دین از سیاست جدا 

David ET

Stop spamming the site. We get it. Your entire platform runs on being anti-Soroush.

Believe me, I'm on your side ideologically. But your tactics are not helping the green movement. 

Latest CRAP from Soroush

 آقای سروش افزوده است: خواسته‌های ما در چارچوب قانون اساسی جمهوری اسلامی قابل تحقق است،

//www.bbc.co.uk/persian/iran/2010/02/100219_u03-an-soroush-green.shtml

Response to Soroush and Friends:

//iransecular.blog.com/2010/02/20/to-whom-it-may-concern/ 

David, ur link was a no-go, but we know how his ideology tanked

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Fair

Now tell me, which self respecting "intellectual" closes down universities? This is the work of tyrants like Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, not intellectuals.

Great question: the IRR thug. A namak nashnas selfish person who took the opportunities Iran gave. Then turned and stabbed Iran in the back. 

I have not respect for this person, until AT A MINIMUM he apologizes to the youth of Iran for what he did and his positions. Take responsibility for your actions man, that is the first requirement for being a citizen.

It takes more than an apology. This guy should rot in a jail cell for the rest of his miserable life. Nothing less. 

Video of Soroush in 1980

prescribing that only Islamic students and professors be admitted to universities:

//iranian.com/main/2009/mar/cultural-revolution-0 

visit: www.iransecular.org       شعار ملت ما، دین از سیاست جدا 

The anti education "intellectual"

This man was at the head of the "cultural revolution" BS. This "revolution" closed down all universities for 3 years in Iran, while Agha and his colleagues were deciding what is a suitable curriculum.

That is right- 3 YEARS. Hundreds of thousands of graduating high school students were given the finger by a man who was given every opportunity by the previous regime to go do his studies in England and educate himself as much as he wanted.

Now tell me, which self respecting "intellectual" closes down universities? This is the work of tyrants like Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, not intellectuals.

And today, he has the gall to sit there and say "velayate faghih" will go after "gradually being felt by all the people who pick and taste its bitter fruit" Again, playing god with people's lives and futures as he "intellectualizes".

I have not respect for this person, until AT A MINIMUM he apologizes to the youth of Iran for what he did and his positions. Take responsibility for your actions man, that is the first requirement for being a citizen.

-Fair

DK jaan Berlusconi reminds me of Yeltsin, but he is the yuckest!

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-z9wfueMAw

Everything is sacred.

Anonymouse Jaan That Was Hilarious ;0)

But I think he will never Beat Berlusconi ...

The best of Silvio Berlusconi (including with Bush):

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=81vQje8bWmo

LOL

Persian Pitt Bull

At least with Mollas  you get what you see. with this revisionist, apologist, you should be afraid.  Intellectualization of religion.

Right. The Mullahs are open about what they seek and are more honest. These "intellectuals" are worse. They will do just what you said. God help us with the like of Souroush. It was people like these who came up with the "cultural revolution'. This man belongs in a jail cell with the key thrown away.

It is his kind who will come up with re-education camps and wose. I take Mullahs over these bastards.

same message different color

At least with Mollas  you get what you see. with this revisionist, apologist, you should be afraid.  Intellectualization of religion.

long for the day that we are  done with the notion of religion and GOD 

DK jaan here's the fool me once or twice clip by Bush!

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A&feature=related

For bonus here's Bush's top 10 best moments!

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk41ea2Ohug&NR=1 

Everything is sacred.

failed mastermind

the mastermind of islamization of Iran, now sheds tears of alligator!!!!! I dont think so.  We have had it with failed people like him.  He should not be on the media circles in the West.  The same places and pulpits he was trying to cleanse when he revamped the University curiculum.  He owes a lot more than an apology to the Iranians for what they inleashed on it after the great rule of the Shah.  

There might be a delay in my response...

There might be a delay in my response...

midwest

i don't understand your first statement, "same logic,"  what logic?  if you think that i'm appealing to theory of secularism, i'm not.  i'm making observations about secular governments and religious ones. in many western nations there is a separation of church and state.  that doesn't mean these secular governments are free of religion.  there are many religious people in these countries.  wanting to separte mosque and state in iran does not mean that people who want to live islamic cannot.  it just means that the state cannot dictate how people should conduct their personal lives.

you see midwesty, we got sidetracked.  it turns out that you're not appealing to soroush's knowledge (subject of the blog) after all and you were telling others to read his books and use his knowledge.  i can see now that we won't be talking about soroush.  thanks for the chat.

May I ask you kindly repeat it again!

:O)

I have hardly found anyone so resistant to listening to others

than midwesty. Asking the same questions; ignoring or distorting the replies; then asking the same question again; then repeating it. What is the point?

The first thing in a discussion is to listen to the other side. Otherwise it's a waste.

Thanks Dear Farah

I might blog about one of the subjects we discussed here later on.

Thank you very much!

saeb,

Wrong thread...hit back...two pictures to the right.:O)

Dear Midwesty

Thank you once again. I leave the floor to the rest of your inquisitors as I can see you have more on your plate than you asked for :) I agree with your response in principle. The case of Soroush, however, remains to be discussed at a later time. 

Farah

Hamsadeh

I can bring the same logic about secularism..do you see an absolute secularism practiced any where?

I am not appealing to his knowledge. I am rather influence by the way of his thinking that absolute ideologies can not feed a family nor a society. Secularism is also an ideology with its own sets of problems.

However I believe it's the path of least resistance. It is not as ideal as we think but it might be the only way to go for now.

I am appealing to what people freely choose to have, if it's Islam so be it.

The problem comes up when governments, secular or other try to influence people's votes by force, money, brain washing tactics and so on. 

So choosing the right system will not necessarily guarantee a safe pass for the people.

آشغال

سگ آشغالهایی مثل احمدی نژاد شرف دارد نسبت به این دریوزه. ننگ بر تو و امثال تو .

Secular is not Atheist

Thank you David ET for explaining secularism well. It appears that many people confuse secularism with atheism. They are not the same. Seculars simply want Government to get out of forcing religion on people. I would think that Sunni Muslims would like to be left alone and not have Shiite doctrine shoved down their throats. Many Shiiate Muslims would prefer not to have Khamenei tell them what to do.

A theocracy is in fact an abomination to religion. Because the corrupt religious leaders do their barbaric acts in the name of god. US is an example of a secular nation. Majority of Americans are very religious. But I bet most Americans would object to having the Pope tell them how to be Christian. Or for that matter Pat Robertson do that. 

The best way to preserve religion is to get government away from it. The corruption of leaders will then not be tainting religion. Otherwise one rotten VF will muddy the name of Islam just as Khamenei has done in Iran.