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Is a criminal organization that murdered 290 innocents in cold blood. Do you expect them to show any amount of honesty? Have they put Will Rogers the blood thirsty captain on trial? Persian Gulf is just one thing they do wrong. We should go on the offensive and demand:

• They correct the term Persian Gulf.
• Those responsible for the flight 655 downing be brought to trial in an international court of justice.
• America make an international apology and take full responsibility.

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Prophet

 When an Iranian party is created, religion shouldn't be an issue as long as you don't try to mix it with the parties ideology. Concerning the the stance of the party, it should be based on what most Iranians believe in and what would benefit the nation, sometimes liberal to some issues and conservative towards others, just depends really. I also believe it should have it's own gyms, members should be given arms (to prevent radicals taking over or riots like that of 1979), and trained both mentally and physically. Later on it's own newspapers, Channels, banks. I would like to see Iran as one big community and this nationalist group affiliated in all of our society to lead it to the right path.

This is why i'm not a shahi, though I respect and would rather have them in power than the shameless islamist leaches. I believe our nationalism should be more extreme, NOT in a facist sense of-cource.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

this Khorasani is your Hasan Kachal (to P..shot91)

P..shot says: "I promise you, if anyone starts a Iranian/Persian nationalist group"

P..shot, if you are trying to create a Persian Nationalist Movement evolving to a Party, I suggest this Khorasani Prophet as the movement leader, he may not be any less delusional than likes of you, but at least he is a good natured person. Also note that creating such a party requires serious dedication on your part, you need to evolve from a Phartianshot to Parthianshot (well it is a little more to it than moving the h in your name). Do you know the story of Hasan Kachal?

Perhaps they are trying to wind us up!

From the number of talkbacks on this topic, it looks as if they have succeeded. On a serious note, I think Escape has a valid point.

Another consequence of the mistake of history called the IRI.

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Parthianshot91

I agree; it makes sense to have a party. I also agree it would be started outside of Iran. The reasons are obvious since it is much simpler to organize without harassment.

There will be lots of problems and it helps to be organized. To me this is more than a party. To be effective you must incorporate people from all walks of life. Nationalists come in many ways and do not all have the same economic or social points of view. Some are socialist while others capitalist. Some are socially conservative while others quite liberal. There are also people with different religious beliefs. How would you reconcile these differences.

Also

I want this party to be created so that we won't have any revolts against the new elected government by dumbasses like we did in 1979. I see lots of problems ahead of us after we've gotten rid of this regime, it's just the beggining. fixing the country and all it's problems will take time.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

Prophet

Yes, that's what I mean when I say an Iranian nationalist party. Many countries, including the Turks have one (Grey wolves). I want a party where average Iranians who show loyalty to our country can join, not just politicians, and not just in Iran, but especially abroad. I actually expect it to be formed abroad and from there to make it's way into Iran, since there's more political freedom here than under the regime.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

No fear

The islamic republic, being the shameless regime it is, wants to fool Iranians to make them think that they are nationalistic and actually care about Iranian/Persian identity, and get the nationalist to support them and have their back, cause nationlaists who put Iran first outnumber Islamists by a long shot, and it is working into tricking some, some nationalists have joined the government, military and so on, atleast before the 09 protests they were, but most are not and were never stupid to fall for such tricks.

 The sec you change the Persian gulf to islamic gulf, or drown perspolis, is when Islamists, their children, wives, families will be hanged from trees. Islamist regime knows this too, it's not that stupid.

 That's why i'm saying if there was a party that represented the nationalists who want a secular free Iran, we would be in power right now. We would be able to drown the islamists if we all pissed on them at once, that's how much more Iranian nationalists there are than islamists.

 I'm really just laughing at the islamists seeing their last days pass by :)

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Parthianshot91 Jan

I agree with much of what you say. You idea makes sense however it does not mean NIAC and PAAIA are not useful.

NIAC an PAAIA are not parties nor do they claim to be. They are lobby groups with modes means. They will nevertheless be able to do things in America. The American ssytem is very responsive to moeny and votes. If we put money behind these it will work. Just like the Cubans are doing it and getting success. The USA Cuba policy is dictated by the Cuban exiles. The USA Iran policy should be heavily influenced by Iranian Americans. The difference being we are not exiles!

What you are thalking about sounds a totally different thing. I think you mean an a new international Iranian party. One I gues without the baggage of existing JM; Monarchist; and other opposition, am I right? If so you may be right? The Iranian nation is under attack from many sides. Just read this blog; that of pan Turkics and so on. Not the least being the IRI itself. Therefore people feel the need to rise and get together.

Is this what you have in mind? 

Follow the money...

US politicians don't give a rat's ass about how great a nation Iranians are and how old is our civilization. Who gives a shit about this when it comes to international politics, anyway?  Its childish to cry out loud about how we were 1400 years ago and expect others to respect us merely on the glory of our distant past. How fucking romantic ... LoL

The saudis just purchased 60 billion dollars worth of military hardwares from US. That is enough to make US navy bend over backwards for the Saudis for supporting US arms industry during difficult times.

I do not agree with many posters here who question nationalistic tendencies in Islamic Iran. Have you been to Iran lately?  Have you seen the type of Farsi ( Parsi ) words used in IR television programs ( granted, along with many arabic ones )?  Many foreign words have farsi equivalent which their usage is encouraged by the government. Why aren't they encouraging arabic equivalents then?

Why doesn't IR offer to change the Persian gulf to Islamic gulf? This is afterall, exactly what one expects when reading your garbage about IR being anti Iranian.

What is being Iranian, afterall?  Are you telling me Iran existed 1400 years ago and after that it was Arabia, or Iran being under seige by arabs ever since? If thats the case, what does that tell about us, as a nation?

Why can't you idiots see the implications of what you are offering? This seems to be affecting most of you like a contagious and incurable STD.

Oh .. i get it. This is not a political discussion. Its about a bunch of persian homies demanding R E S P E C T !  Yeah mutha fucka , thats all we care about isn't it? To look good and be respectable specially in front of others.

Oh man , you homies are persian enough to be defined as anti arab or anti Islam. Thats the extend of your outlook towards Iranian existentialism. Thats all...

Vieled prophet

The problem is that we have don't have strong enough parties or groups to lead us. I promise you, if anyone starts a Iranian/Persian nationalist group that focused on both culture and politics with membership involved, it would spread like fire both inside Iran and outside, seeing how many nationalists there are. I don't see small parties like NIAC and PAAIA being able to do anthing significant.

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Re: Just asking

JJ Jan,

In my opinion the difference is in that one is politicized and the other is not.

The fight over Persian Gulf is over national identity. The term "A*** Gulf" was used by Nasser a pan-Arabist. This was a an act of triumphalism. He wanted to pick on Iran in order to promote Arab unity at the cost of Iran. This term has since been used by Arabs; British; and the USA to belittle Iran and Iranians. It is meant to be an insult and is taken as such. The fact that this started long before IRI proves it is not a response to it. People who say it is because of IRI's actions  are wrong. 

The Caspian Sea on the other hand has simply not had this issue. We did not get invaded 1400 years ago from the north. We have a different history up north. Therefore Caspian Sea is just not a charged term.

rtayebi1 Jaan

Thank you for your kind words.

Caspin is European name for Ghazvin, technically its Ghazvinian

Many years ago the Daryaeh Khazar was boardering A huge sea front Persian state in those days called Ghazvin or Caspin, that's why Europeans call it Caspian sea.

Notice even here the power and size of the Persian empire dictated the name from a Persian state.

Caspian sea was much larger centuries ago, it has gone down a lot since.

So Jahanshah Caspian is indeed an Iranian/Persian  name. 

Just asking

Do Iranians care what the states around the Caspian Sea call this body of water on their map?

Do they call it the Caspian? Khazar? Mazandaran? They don't? And Iranians are not raising hell? Why not?

Hmm... nobody knows, nobody cares... Interesting.

vpk

Evey time U open UR mouth(write) I learn something new.Thank U Thank U  Keep on talking  love U so much Thank U

We are mad

The main thing is: what do we do? This garbage is going too far. Iranian interests are not to be toyed with by whims of American politics.

First: of all we have several organizations including the much maligned NIAC. We should get behind NIAC and PAAIA and demand action. This does not mean we become members or even supporters of these organization for good. Just this one time let us put aside the hate and the anger and work together. The truth is that Obama is in trouble for his reelection. He NEEDS California. Having half a million pissed off Iranians in California is the last thing he needs. 

Second: we can write; call and petition our representatives and senators individually. This is specially important for those who cannot get themselves to support NIAC or PAAIA. You can still get your voice out there. Just a bit more work. In fact we should do this no matter what and remaind them we vote.

Third: Republicans hate Obama and will oppose anything he does. Therefore if Obama says *** Gulf; the natural reactions by Republicans is to say the opposite. We can use this to our advantage by contacting Obama opponents. We can rightfully point out the sutpidity of Obamas action. The Republicans would love to court several hundred thousand Iranian American voters in California. Remember numbers and money mean attention. If the Cubans did it so may we!

Arash

Uae, is barely Arab itself, like maybe 20%, rest are immigrants. Bahrain, and kuwait have a huge ethnic persian population. There are no Arab amongst the borders of Iran, only Khuzestan which is only 25% Arab, the rest are Persians or Persian sub-groups.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

Persian Gulf for ever.

It shows how incapable and ineffective these bastard ass kissers mullas are, the more these bastard mullas help the lizard eaters the more they fuck the mullas, I am waiting for the day that Iran will be free from Islam and bring back the good old Zoroastrian.

A simple matter of geography..

Leaving all nationalistic fervour aside, by international definition, a body of water is named after the country with the longest shore line. The United Arab Emirates along with Bahrain and Saudi Arabia on the southern shores of Persian Gulf (PG) might have a claim to naming it Arabian Gulf (AG), if their combined shore lines exceeds that of Iran (with some 1,000 or more km). Almost all Iranians populating the northern shores of the PG are Arabs, their culturs, langauage and life style being similar to those living in the southern shores, minus of course their lavish lifestye and sky scrapers..

What puzzles me is that we never earned anything from this name but trouble! Did we ver charge a 'toll' on sea farers and oil tankers using (and polluting!) PG waters? We may have charged them some token fees for using straight of Hormuz, even that is highly doubtfull. Under the late Shah we briefly became the guardian (gendarm) of PG to satisfy his ego, which did't last long, but cost us a fortune to buy all those junk of frigates and patrol boats, left overs of the second World War.

I suggest the Iranian government should do something, covert or otherwise, to put an end to further unification of the sheikhdoms to keep their shore lines to a minimum.

Better still, let's get together and put an end to this incompetent government and trecherous regime before we lose all our historic and cultural inheritence and identity.

UUUH Yes

Now why don't you people tell me to show my loyalty to the U.s and love it? Shame on all those people who can't see the bigger picture. Both the Americans, just like any imperialistic power, and the islamist regime are our enemies. Even during the shah's time they were anti-Iran, especially their democratic party. I say let the Mexicans and immigrants come and ruin the U.S and steal back whatever they stole from other nations. let this whore nation of america fall, none's gonna miss it.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

Funny thing is

Didn't the shah marry the tazi's sister and had kids with her who started using the term "Arabian gulf"?

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

That body of water

Was not called Persian gulf for nothing.

If we had not lost so much of the original Persia, Iraq, parts of Pakistan would have been Iranian.

The shaikh nesshens south of the water were just empty desert with a caravan  of nomads passing through it every now and then. Its only during the last 2 centuries that most of these little so called Arabic Shaiknesheens have come about.

What was the single one nation there from 3000 years ago it was Persians. One people not lots of little put together by the West Emiratis.

Lack of style

Ironically, the -ian and -an suffixes are an Irano-European linguistic modifier, signifying plurality and/or giving attribution.  They can't escape Persian influence on their civilization even if they try.

But these dirty bastards would even work against companies like Toyota, who unlike the British, even built assembly plants to give Americans jobs, with BS recalls and liability scandals. Just stop buying American, British, or German cars and products, and see the next "super-power" act of desperation.

US & UK willingly killed 2 cities of Japanese people to force an already defeated Japan to give up their Emperor. They have no character, let alone style.

But take another look...

Iran's flag is the only one to have writing from a FOREIGN (Arabic) language on it. That is our fault. We should be more like the Israeli nationalists, and the Japanese nobles.

Let's replace the flag and government first and foremost instead of giving history and vocabulary lessons to these mercenaries and their ignoble British masters.

I dare to ask

Never mind the Yankees; What is wrong with being an Arab, and call that body of water Arabian?

Never increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.

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