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Thank you, Mehman

Eydun Bad!

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer

Dear Friends

Will you stop fighting each other?

Aren't we all iranians belonging to the same heritage? Different religions and sects should not create so much divisions and hatred among us...

One is Shia another Sunni, one is Bahai one is Babi, another is Christian the other Jew or Zoroastrian and many are agnostics who do not follow any religion in practice even though they are born in certain traditions (which is beyond their control) but we are all iranians after all aren't we?

You can not change another's religion however bad you think the religion is. People simply want to stick to what they believe in. So what is the use of all these insulting and slanderings? I which we could express more understanding and respect towards each other instead of hatred.

thank you

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Naneh man gharibam

Basically explains the content of Faryar's entire last post.

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer

Dear Immortal...

Please you must be more open.

I assure you no Bahai will think of you as an enemy; The Bahais in iran have proven their peaceful nature, even in the face of death.

Unfortunately, you response does not surprise one; what you allege simply does not make sense, and is more consistent with the customary anti bahai rhetoric. Those who accuse Bahais, have never been able to produce the evidence, be it a hundred years ago or today.

You speak of an "agenda"; if there is one, it is simply to correct and inform with logic, fact and reason the kind of baseless lies and distrtortons that have poisoned the mind of generations of Iranians,of  which it seems includes you and your "ancestors".

You say :"I am not trying to make you abandon your beliefs which you have grown up with. All I am saying is that you should abandon your higher moral ground. And please give up also this victim syndrome even though it may serve to reinforce solidarity amongst the Baha'is. "

Well, Can I ask you,with regard to your perception of "higher moral ground"

Instead of accusing one of standing on a higher moral ground, could the opposite be true? and explain the reason why you feel that way? assuring you that yours truly's only intention is to defend against falsehood.

If What you refer to as "victim syndrome", is because of giving example of persecution, then you must question you own sense of fairness and justice and the honesty to declare your real motives behind your negative comments.

Further,

I can  "accept the fact that some people do have the right to question and to disagree with Baha'is." as long as the  basis for such opinion is not based on false and historically malicious lies designed to injure the reputation of the Bahais and their beliefs.

Fortunately, these days after years of deafening silence, the Truth is revealing itself, in the form of memoirs and books of former movers and shakers of the last 100 years,as in Fariba Amini's current piece called The Greatest Sin, which includes accounts of back room discussions and dealings, desgned to persecute and destroy the Bahais in Iran.

I certainly hope that your "ancestors" would have the same courage to do the same and throw some light on those "behind-the-scenes" allegations, rest assured that they should be solely concerned with the validity of their allegation in the face of public scrutiny.

Faryarm 

The Bahai Technique - Slander, libel, defamation

Compare

Shunning > Menu

//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Shunning.htm

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction." Pascal, Penses #894.

"Unmeasured vituperation employed on the side of the prevailing opinion really
does deter people from professing contrary opinions and from listening to those
who profess them." --John Stuart Mill, On Liberty (51-52).

Compare Baha'i tactics to the
communist cadre or The
Modern Inquisition of Catholicism.

Waters = Faryarm 

Nima Hazini the Face of Despair

he has transfigured himself as the online Borzoo...the champion of the alame haparoot where he can occupy the # 1 place on the chart without a rival. Cuz no body in a sane mind and in all truth wants to be there or be like him. This should suffice as evidence to Hazinis erring soul.

Gol gofti, indeed

Especially bigots like you and the bigotry of the organization and ideology you represent.

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer

Immortal ignorance

were your ancestors just as smart and wise and courageous as you? 

Where do you learn to just make baseless accusations and slander others without a shred of evidence wearing only your dampayee and telling us that your ancestors were scared. No wonder Arabs, Moghol.... plundered us with no respect.

Why are you so stuck in such a degrading state.

7000 years of history should do better than just churning out bigots.

What a shame. 

Peanut gallery bahai lashkar-keshan

Closet Islamists are most of you Hezbollahi Bahais posting here or lurking who want to kill and destroy anyone who offers the least criticism of you fascists.

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer

I'm with Amir19

Well said.

aryana-whatever:

Dont you have anything better to do than hurl page long crap at bahaiis? Dont tell me you are another closet islamist using "aryan" user IDs! I did not read your BS, but did notice that you enlisted the support of another islamist bonehead with crazy name of immortal guard or something!

Get a life.

Well stated again, Immortal Guard

You have nailed the core issues.

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer

Dear Faryarm.......

Do you want my family tree?

There were equally smart and well-educated people in the past who rejected Baha'ism because they witnessed firsthand who their leaders were, where they came from, how they rose to prominence, who granted them a higher profile etc. Now I know that you will come again and ask me for written, solid proof that can be referenced!

I asked my ancestors to write down about the behind-the-scenes story of the Baha'is but they refused! They said you will make enemies! I now can kind of understand what they meant with that when I see people like you pushing your agenda so hard!

Anyway I am not trying to make you abandon your beliefs which you have grown up with. All I am saying is that you should abandon your higher moral ground. And please give up also this victim syndrome even though it may serve to reinforce solidarity amongst the Baha'is. And also examine if any unfair advantages accrue to Baha'is abroad just for the sake of being Baha'is and having their leaders serve as other people's lackeys! ... And also if you are magnanimous and even equanimous as you claim accept the fact that some people do have the right to question and to disagree with Baha'is.

Aryana's Quiz

Q. The only reason why the following group  gets such coverage is because they
have deep financial pockets and are in cahoots with certain Washington,
London and Brussels based lobby organizations that have handed them a
microphone and soap-box to play the international human rights-abused
drama queen!

a) Women

b) Students

c) Gays

d) Political prisoners

e) Bahaii's

f) All of the above

Immortal Guard, very well said!

Thanks for expressing your views. Shoma kamelan dozaritoon oftade! I also know the stories about active Bahai attempts to recruit people of prominence during the time of Reza Shah. One of the reasons Reza Shah apparently closed down their Tarbiyat school was precisely for this very reason because there were many children of the elite of Iranian society at the time attending it - due to the fact that it was one of only a handful of schools offering good education - and the Bahai teachers there were then taking the opportunity at sectarian indoctrination and brainwashing of these same children.

As for being nice: note how incredibly nasty and hateful these Haifan Baha'is can become when they are challenged or criticized. The same triumphalistic and arrogant mentality you have amongst the mullahs and Islamists is the same attitude these Haifan Baha'is exhibit, and in my considered opinion the Haifan Baha'is are  longterm just as dangerous as these same Islamists and mullahs.

That said, I stand by all by statements that the human rights abuses the Haifan Baha'is are claiming in Iran are exagerrated; that the Haifan Baha'i organization is being completely opportunistic  with such  campaigns using them primarily as opportunities to proseltyze their creed; and, especially, that they are deliberately attempting to overshadow with such claims the plight of other minority communities who are actually being abused by the regime and need campaigns on their behalf much more than the Haifan Baha'is do; that the only reason why the Haifan Baha'is get such coverage is because they have deep financial pockets and are in cahoots with certain Washington, London and Brussels based lobby organizations that have handed them a microphone and soap-box to play the international human rights-abused drama queen!

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer

Dear Immortal...name these bribed spineless people

Dear Immortal Guard, 

Amazing ! 

Please explain how someone can truly believe anything through marketing and merchandising .

and how you think the Bahai community would benefit from "bribing" to have such members. 

Do you think any amount of money can buy devotion and conviction to an idea? enough for one to resist jail and torture and die for an idea?

Please think through what you are saying, because we have actual mothers, fathers and grandfathers who in your opinion have been bought, through "merchandising and marketing" 

you also said: 

 "I know first hand that during Reza Shah's time they actively tried to recruit well-educated people like members of parliament and successful businessmen and progressive-thinking people by offering them generous bribes coming from AkKa! The spineless and rootless people were easily swayed and fell for the windfall!"

Since this is first hand information, kindly provide some proof and evidence...Other wise your accusations, sound terribly like the kind of accusations brought upon Bahais by the Mullahs to discredit them.

I am sure you dont mind outing these spineless rootless people ! 

Go back to some of my old wishes for you...

Go back to some of my old wishes for you and see that, my words were meant as reminders to what destiny had in store for people like yourself...and not any kind of deathwish.

The truth is and you should own up to it,( as shown in your letter)

that your animosity started becaue of a disagreement with  your local Bahai administration and not your rejection of Baha'u'llah or Bahai belief.

The road you chose , as described in that open letter in 1990s

//iranian.com/main/blog/faryarm/sincere-open-...

by your old friend pretty much describes what you have become today and my comment is an extension of what in my mind undoubtedly awaits anyone  who like you continues so blindly and arrogantly  to insult and harm the name of Baha'u'llah, not to mention those Bahais languishing in Islamic Republic prisons, that you like,  people to believe are treated favourably as in your statement below.

"the Baha'is have also gone out of their way to fabricate or exagerrate human rights violations in Iran with Western human rights groups in order to maintain some bloated sense of relevence..."

"it appears that the rulers of the Islamic Republic of Iran have actually gone out of their way to accomodate the Baha'is inside Iran. Baha'is have been left relatively unmolested ...." 

Marketing in the spiritual bazaar!

The Baha'is are very good when it comes to merchandizing and marketing their ideas! And they are quite active in that spiritual bazaar! So no doubt some easily impressionable people would fall for their nice words!

I know first hand that during Reza Shah's time they actively tried to recruit well-educated people like members of parliament and successful businessmen and progressive-thinking people by offering them generous bribes coming from AkKa! The spineless and rootless people were easily swayed and fell for the windfall!

I personally have come across many Bahai's and found them actually very likable. But after all in today's world nicety can be acted out. I am not against the Baha'i people at all! I can also understand the predicament of people who have held fast to their belief for a long time if they are asked to abandon it even if they are hypothetically presented with irrefutable evidence!

Aryana/ Nima Hazini/ Wahid: Persecution of Bahais NOT TRUE :)

"There is a long history of Baha'is manufacturing evidence in their favor."

Like what you said before: "its all made up" :)

Aryana-Vaeja AKA Nima Hazini/ Wahid Azal on Bahais and Human Rights in Iran.

 //wahidazal.blogspot.com/

 "the Baha'is have also gone out of their way to fabricate or exagerrate human rights violations in Iran with Western human rights groups in order to maintain some bloated sense of relevence..."

"it appears that the rulers of the Islamic Republic of Iran have actually gone out of their way to accomodate the Baha'is inside Iran. Baha'is have been left relatively unmolested ...." 

Yes, I say it is made up

There is a long history of Baha'is manufacturing evidence in their favor, a recent example is the case of the late Montazeri. These questionably cited letters are arguably yet another example.

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer

Time has already told, Faryar

Your arrogance and fanaticism has merely blinded you to the fact.  

 I just hope God will allow you to stay around to witness your own utter
failure and disgrace; just as your name sake AZAL  experienced, dying an
old lonely man in exile, left with you as an example of his legacy.

LOL! We shall see because I am still standing; that, for everything you fascists have tried to do to me. But if it's all the same to you, this blood curdling hateful sentiment of yours above, which is found aplenty throughout the Bahai writings, is precisely why you people should never be allowed to come anywhere close to power and why more people need to be informed the world over of what manner of hateful and hatefilled scumbags you all are just like the mullahs. That said, however I die one day, which is inevitable, I hope you don't die in exile as a lonely old man in disgrace. I hope you die with a smile on your face in peace with your family and loved ones around you making your journey to the Road of Awe, which is death, all that more pleasant for you. And I hope that at the moment that you are about to cross over, that your eyes will finally open to how wrong you have been about absolutely everything! 

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer

These letter could have come from anywhere...Here

 These letter could have come from anywhere...Here

//www.aeenebahai19.info/node/8#comments

گور بابای هرچی بهاییه عشق است

نوشته شده توسط امیر (غیر عضو) در تاریخ ج, 1389-05-15 06:37

بابا دین به چه درد می خوره اصلا؟ و بهایی هم نداره

راستی تا حالا پیامبر کراواتی ندیده بودیم

نوشته شده توسط sohail (غیر عضو) در تاریخ چ, 1389-05-13 21:36 متاسفانه دوباره سایت جدید

متاسفانه دوباره سایت جدید فیلتر شد و تمامی سایت های مرتبط به ان نیز فیلتر شد

نوشته شده توسط mehrdad (غیر عضو) در تاریخ ش, 1389-04-19 17:03 dustane aziz e man az

dustane aziz e man az zahamate bidarighe shoma besyar sepasgozaram

نوشته شده توسط mehrdad (غیر عضو) در تاریخ ش, 1389-04-19 16:52 azizam har ki hasti az in ke

azizam har ki hasti az in ke be dianate bahai iman ovordi kheili khoshhalam omidvaram ke har lahze pishraft koni

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نوشته شده توسط عرفان (غیر عضو) در تاریخ د, 1389-03-24 16:06 این دوستی که ابراز کرده احکام

این دوستی که ابراز کرده احکام دیانت بهائی برگرفته از دین اسلام است، همین ایراد را به قرآن نیز گرفته اند، این سخن ها مطالب جدیدی نیست؛ چنانچه در تفسیر قرآن ابراهیم عاملی، ذیل آیه 150 سوره اعراف «قالَ ابْنَ أُمَّ» آمده است: " تفسير عبده: اين آيه جواب آنها است كه گفته‏اند پيغمبر قرآن را از تورات اقتباس كرده است". (تفسير عاملي، تهران: انتشارات صدوق‏، 1360 ش، ج‏4، ص 235).

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نوشته شده توسط hosein (غیر عضو) در تاریخ س, 1389-02-28 07:15 سلام آماده مناظره با همه

Aryana AKA Nima Hazini/ Wahid

I have always said...

Time will tell...

I just hope God will allow you to stay around to witness your own utter failure and disgrace; just as your name sake AZAL  experienced, dying an old lonely man in exile, left with you as an example of his legacy.

These letters could have come from anywhere...

And isn't it a sign of having oghde when you are constantly having to prove yourselves like this in such childish and openly desperate ways? If the Sun shines out of your behinds, walk it, don't endlessly talk it. Otherwise all your tazaahor goes to prove nothing other than you lack the very thing you claim to possess. Many people here are being polite with you all in not telling you this. I have no ta'rof or roodarvasi with you folks, so I will tell you point blank!

Faryar, you are selling yourselves short like this and making yourselves seriously look ridiculous. For old times sake, just take a break and find a better strategy than this cheap sloganeering one. You are defeating yourselves here. You don't see it. I do! Listen to some reason for once in your life.

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer

Please translate these letters from Iran...

Can any one better than me Please translate these letters from Iran...?

What you see below are eloquent letters written in Persian by Iranians in Iran whose spiritual journey has led them to new hope and belief in humanity and its future, in a country where most people have lost faith.

Some are testaments of love by those who despite living in that suffocating repressive environment have found solace and hope, craving for deeper understanding underlying the native  faith that is denied to them in Iran, the country of its birth.

دوستان دارم

دوستان دارم و به شما عشق می ورزم امید وارم روزی برسد تا تمام آئین ها در سرزمین کهن ما آزادانه بتوانند تبلیغ کنند و توانایی های دینی خود را برای مردم اثبات کنند با تشکر فراوان

دنياي جديد

من هم 3 سال هست كه به حضرت بها الله ايمان اورده ام . مي خواستم بگم كه من اسمان جديد و زمين جديدي ديده ام و تا جان در بدن دارم اين زمين و اسمان را به بقيه نشان خواهم داد.

Indeed

What matters in the long run is who is making a REAL difference in
his/her life , who is making a real contribution for betterment of
himself ,his family, his neighborhood, country and ultimately humanity?

Yes, and here the Agha Khan and the Isma'ili community have you Haifan Baha'is beat. They build hospitals in the Third World, establish research foundations in India and the UK, help out developing countries with private foundation grants and expertise, and generally stand with the the oppressed and downtrodden in places like Uganda where you stand with the oppressors, etc. For a small community of alternative Shi'a Muslims, they have done more in one year than your organization has done throughout its entire existence. And unlike you they don't need to prosletyze and push for converts and recruits. They walk their talk.

 The  "Nice spiritual bazaar out there" That you speak of can not sustain itself  or the true seeker hungry for infinite love and  the spiritual sustenance it provides.

Which is another way of saying, "our way is the only way and everybody else is misled and unspiritual." Sound famliar, folks? Don't the mullahs and fundamentalists say the same thing?

A good Tree can not bear bad fruit.

True, but in your use of these cliches, it seems to have eluded you that your own prophet apparently produced bad fruit in the form of several of his sons, i.e. Muhammad Ali, Badiullah, Ziyaullah, etc. If your prophet was a good Tree, then how come his fruit went rotten, as you claim about Muhammad Ali, Badiullah, Ziyaullah, etc.?

The Question to ask is:

In the last 150 years, as just one example, has belief in The
Bahai Faith, its teachings and practices produced mostly the good or the
bad , throughout the world?

Bad. Here is the evidence:

//bahaicultfaq.blogspot.com/

Has it just been "talk" and "Nice" words?

Yes.

 Today, How are Bahais generally viewed in the countries they reside?

The truth? As one amongst many other similar kooky cults.

 Why have so many wanting to join the Bahai community in Iran, when an
Iranian Bahai has basically no rights and can be a potential death
sentence!

This is wishful thinking Baha'is like repeating like Hitler's big lie. There is no overwhelming trend by Iranians inside Iran to join Bahaism. The trend is two ways: 1) most Iranians are either going agnostic/atheist, or if they wish to convert to any religion beside Islam,  it is 2) Zoroastrianism. The biggest single threat to the Islamic establishment in Iran today comes from Zoroastrianism and  the near clamoring of countless individuals to join it, not Bahaism.

Surely what impresses most people, literate, illiterate, the
intellectual, the sophisticated or not, is character, integrity, good
deeds, actions not words. 

Which by your own fanatical behavior and actions you have demonstrated time and again that you don't have much of.

So What matters in the end is the fruit of one's belief.

Indeed. And the fruits of your beliefs has shown your tree to be rotten, root and branch!

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer

How nice it would be if...

I hope for a  free Iran (in soon future) where followers of all religions can freely practice their religion and participate in interfaith dialogues without prejeduice.

What matters in the end is the fruit of one's belief.

Dear Immortal guard,

Talk is cheap, and as you say  "They (Ismailis) also preach nice things which appeal to the educated intelligentsia and progressive-thinking people...."

What matters in the long run is who is making a REAL difference in his/her life , who is making a real contribution for betterment of himself ,his family, his neighborhood, country and ultimately humanity?

It is not enough to just have intellectual acceptance that appeals to " educated intelligentsia and progressive-thinking people".

The mind is not where love resides ! 

The Place for God , LOVE and religion's is the heart, not the mind. One must fall in love in order to believe and act on principle and faith.

Elm and Erfan MUST go together.

The  "Nice spiritual bazaar out there" That you speak of can not sustain itself  or the true seeker hungry for infinite love and  the spiritual sustenance it provides.

What matters in the end is the fruit of one's belief. 

A good Tree can not bear bad fruit. 

The Question to ask is:

In the last 150 years, as just one example, has belief in The Bahai Faith, its teachings and practices produced mostly the good or the bad , throughout the world?

Has it just been "talk" and "Nice" words?

Today, How are Bahais generally viewed in the countries they reside?  

In our own country, Iran despite the horrid history of persecutions by the shia clergy, the lies, distortions, the one sided anti Bahai propaganda that has poisoned the mind of generations to believe so many untruths; Today how are the Bahais being seen by their very friends, colleagues and neighbours? 

Could it be that, their peaceful and quite suffering has done something to transform the hearts of their former enemies? Is this not the best example of actions speaking louder tan words?

I have seen on certain  Persian blogs ,comments by people who want to know more about what Bahai is, as a result of the relentless attacks on Bahais in Iran these days. Many of these comments come from people who have decided that despite the dangers, their attraction to it is irresistible and they demand answers.

Why have so many wanting to join the Bahai community in Iran, when an Iranian Bahai has basically no rights and can be a potential death sentence! 

Surely what impresses most people, literate, illiterate, the intellectual, the sophisticated or not, is character, integrity, good deeds, actions not words. 

So What matters in the end is the fruit of one's belief.

Selective quotation by Haifan Bahais

In future also kindly quote all my words in full rather than quote Baha'i-style selectively. Here is the full sentence of my proclamation declaring an all out Jihad against the IRI:

//wahidazal.blogspot.com/2010/03/war-is-against-fundamentalist-islamism.html

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer