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08-Feb-2011
Dear Mr. Kinzer,
I was sorry to read your article -- “Prince Ali Reza Pahlavi Suicide: Tragic End to Iran's Dynasty” -- regarding the suicide of Prince Ali Reza Pahlavi. Despite what the political discourse on every side would have us believe about the nefarious influence of the media in our everyday life, there are responsible journalists who take their work of informing the public seriously, who review facts carefully, and finally express opinions reasonably. Then, there are the others.
Unfortunately, the hunger of some of the public for quick facts and spectacular conclusions as well as that of writers who, Barnum-like, don’t care what people say about them as long as they say something, often produce a parody of what information and informed opinion should be. This was the case with your book “All the Shah’s Men,” which read more as fiction—not very good, at that—than history, and it is the case, again, with this article.
Your book took on the Shah, an easy target, with little regard for facts. (For example—a small matter perhaps—you state that the Shah was hurriedly crowned when the Allies got rid of his father, Reza Shah. The Shah’s coronation actually took place 25 years later). The late Daniel Moynihan once wrote that every man is entitled to his own opinion but not to his own facts. You turn that statement on its head when you circumvent facts or reinvent them as fits your purpose.
Regarding Mossadeq, an important figure of contemporary Iranian history, much has been written but little has been told right. Unfortunately, your own book adds to the legend without delving into the history. Dr. Mossadeq was no doubt an astute politician, a great nationalist who profoundly disliked the meddling of Britain and the United States in the internal affairs of Iran. He also rightfully resented Britain’s extraordinarily unfair share of Iran’s wealth—its oil. Determined to establish Iranian sovereignty over the exploitation of its own resources and, it must be said, with the full support of the Shah in this one endeavor (the two men butted heads on almost every other question), he achieved the nationalization of our oil, a victory for which Iranians will always owe him a debt of gratitude. However, calling him a democrat or even say, as carried-away supporters will, that he was democratically elected, is a stretch. He was a demagogue and a populist, who was twice appointed Prime Minister by the Shah, the first time after a nomination by the Persian Majlis or Parliament, in a period of great turmoil, and the second time with full military powers which he used to establish martial law and dissolve Parliament. So much for democracy. Despite calls for his resignation by his own former allies in Parliament, he instigated a referendum on extending his powers, winning of course with 99.9 percent of the vote!
That the United States had a hand in his overthrow is not in doubt, but many other elements, mainly what was at the time the population’s sincere attachment to the Shah, played a role. The full story is far more complex and textured than usually made out to be, and a more in-depth reading, which should debunk some myths, is gradually being undertaken by contemporary scholars.
Blind admiration of Mossadeq is common enough among those who write about Iran. So is an unreasonable hatred of the Shah, who is frequently portrayed as one of the most blood-thirsty leaders in a century that saw more than its fair share of those. He is indiscriminately compared to Mao Tse-Tung, Pol Pot, Idi Amin Dada, Bokassa, and other monstrous dictators. No one will claim that all was rosy during his 37-year reign, but there can be no doubt of his love for Iran and his unceasing efforts, against great odds, to make the country take enormous strides toward progress, to help the population overcome poverty, disease, and illiteracy, to give power to women, to continue the work started by his father, Reza Shah (who, by the way, was hardly an “illiterate soldier” but a Cossack colonel of formidable intelligence, with the level of education someone with his background would have at the time).
If today Iran’s large middle class and youth remain vibrant, active, and highly educated—an island of progress and secularism despite its benighted and autocratic government—it is no doubt thanks to the Shah.
Did his single-minded dream of turning Iran into a major player make him oblivious to the importance of allowing the population to develop politically as well as materially? Possibly. But the fact is (and “fact” is the operative word here) that during his entire reign, there were about 370 executions in Iran, an average of 10 a year. (Not to be compared to the tens of thousands killed by the Islamic Republic in 32 years, hundreds of thousands if one takes the Iran-Iraq war into account.) According to Paul Balta, the well-known journalist of Le Monde (a left-leaning paper and no friend of the Shah’s), who provided this figure, a number of those executed were drug-dealers and common criminals. That may well be 370 deaths too many, but hardly turns the Shah into the blood-drenched tyrant you call him, along with his father, in your recent article about the suicide of his youngest son.
I cannot help but see that article as a low point in your career. It is not so much the baffling judgments you pass on the Pahlavis that give me pause (though what can possibly be the cause-and-effect reasoning behind sentences such as this once: “The main reason [Reza Shah]... refused to lead his country toward democracy was that he wished his son to be shah after he was gone”? I would in fact posit that the major Western countries that are still hereditary monarchies are models of democracy.) Nor, for that matter, is it your purple prose and willful choice of the most violent words to drive your points home (“self-slaughter” for “suicide?” Really?) No, what deeply saddens and troubles me is that you would use the death of a charismatic and much beloved young Iranian, mourned not only by his family but also by many of his compatriots, to further establish your credentials as an informed and unbiased journalist. I am sorry to say that you are quite simply neither.
Kambiz Atabai
AUTHOR
Kambiz Atabai is a Farah Pahlavi's private secretary.
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Our topic is DEFAMATION OF RECORD / CHARACTER
by SOS-FREE-IRAN on Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:05 PM PSTMr. Cyrus Khosravi, Are you for real? Are you hiding behind an Iranian name so you can have more credibility? I know of your kind and your "considered" jargon.
I have enlightened the people on this website about the right to stand up against defamatory and persecutory comments about our King and Queen.
Mr. Kinzer offered no apology to our King or Iranians for his vile defamatory characterization of the reign of our King.
Why defend a hypocrite like Mr. Kinzer? Why defend this mercenary who supports the bottle raping of Iranians but condemns our King for giving Iranians a dignified secure and ordely country?
What have you contributed to Mr. Atabai' posting? What "epistle" of opinion have you offered?
We are just beginning our fight against persecutory blood libel and defamation of the record of the Pahlavi Monarchy.
Hahaha!..
by Parham on Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:50 AM PST"Oh, I'm against the death penalty, I'd just like to break the neck of a few troublemakers, that's all! Otherwise, murder is for laat-haye-bi-sar-o-pa, I know that! Come'ere, kitty, kitty..."
Look, you two: Nobody denies the good that was done when the two Pahlavis were around, although I'm sure we'll even debate what the good was. Like I'm sure what you see as a healthy economy, I see as a sick economy relying on imports bound to go disastrous, etc.
But that's not the point!
The point is, it wasn't their business to do anything with the country anyway, except to reign (not rule, but reign)! That was the will of the people of Iran, to whom the country belonged! They not only had no respect for the will of the people, they saw themselves as their rulers ("qayyem") and did almost anything they wanted.
In that process, they killed, they imprisoned, did all sorts of injustices, to the point that there was a revolution! Yes, you all, the revolution is YOUR fault initially, stop blaming it on others! Even the fact that it went bad is blamed on the omnipotent Shahs not giving enough political freedom and education to their people for them to distinguish between the good and the bad! That's why you dodos still don't know anything about democracy, even today as we speak, by the way!
Wake up, baba! The whole world knows these things (or almost), and they've known it for more than 30 years actually, except you people! It's about time you unearthed your heads...
Aynak
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:42 AM PSTI am not a Monarchist. If anything I would *live* with a "ceremonial" Monarch but I am totally opposed to another dictator king. I hope this settles where I am.
There are really two issues:
Past & Present.
Regarding the past. I want the actions of the Shah recognized in context. What was he trying to prevent: we all see it now. Did he go about it wrong? Yes.. Was he too much a dictator: yes, way above what he had to be to get his agenda done. Did he kill people: yes; and I am opposed to the death penalty. What I ask is for people to remember all the good he did. Do not judge him so harshly. Shah was a man and a very flawed man. But he was a real Iranian patriot and he deserves to be remembered as such.
Regarding future path: We need a democracy and leaders elected for a limited term. I see Reza Pahlavi as a fine leader of the opposition. He has been a good man and a real patriot. He could and should be the focal point of anti-IRR forces. After the IRR is gone there should be a democratic system. Say for the sake of argument a "Parliamentary". I could vote for RP as PM.That does not mean a King or going back and forth between theocracy and democracy. It means democracy.
Some others like Dairus want a Monarchy like in England. I will be willing to support such a system. It has its benefits and you can ask DK. He will do a better job than me explaining them.
SOS Please Spare Everyone Your Shril Diatribes
by Cyrus Khorasani on Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:39 AM PSTDear Sir/Madam,
You have already made it abundantly clear you have little in the way of a considered opinion to contribute. While your musings about the broad sweep of Iranian history is whimsical, the cacophany of your commentary on the role of the U.S. Attorney General and on libel law is downright ridiculous.
Mr. Atabai offered a dignified point about Mr. Kizner's appaling lack of judgment in his posting on the late Prince Ali Reza. Mr. Kizner offered a gracious response. End of story.
Your neither contributing to Mr. Atabai's posting, nor offering an epistle to Mr. Kizner's opinions, nor for that matter offering an apprecition for dialogue or rumination.
aynak
by Parham on Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:31 AM PSTKhoda omret bede.
I'm sure Reza Pahlavi himself actually sometimes shakes at the thought of one of these people coming to his defense! I'm sure there has been more than a few times where he has gotten as embarrassed as to coming close to messing up his pants by some of the arguments these guys bring up! Honestly... : )
Parham
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:29 AM PSTI touched a sore sopt huh? OK I am opposed to the death penalty so I am not really for execution. However I stand by my statements that the people Shah was after were generally trouble makers.
One more thing: I did not call anyone mo***. The use of vulgarity is against the admin rules and I stick to those rules.
Well they were rats. I mean Golesorkhi wanting to abduct the Crown Prince. Now that is the definition of a nut job. I took the time to watch is rambling speeh on youtube. The guy was "zangiri". He should have been put away.
As for Democracy I am quite familiar with it. Does not mean:
It does include:
Yes the Shah violated a number of these for sure. But on the whole he tried to do good. And I treasure his memoey well over the hell that insued. I am willing to call out Shah's mistakes when were real. Are you willing to praise him for his good deeds.
VPK
Open your heart to the good of our Pahlavi Kings
by SOS-FREE-IRAN on Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:24 AM PSTAs Iranians, I urge you all to open your hearts to the good that our Pahlavi Kings and Queens have done for us Iranians. I urge you to see with clear eyes the kindness and benevolence of our Pahlavi Kings.
I urge you to see clearly the revolutionary progress our country made under King Pahlavi I and II and our Queen Farah Pahalvi. Our Queen is the true leader of our country and people.
I urge you all to apologize to our Pahlavi Family for the scornful, moronic, debased, vile, defamatory, evil, persecutory comments you people have hurled at this kind and benevolent family for 32 years.
Open your eyes. Open your hearts. You shall be delivered from the darkness that haunts you and your ilk.
FREE IRAN.
Long Live Pahlavi. Long Live our beautiful kind benevolent Queen, Farah Pahlavi
Long Live our democratic secular astute Crown Prince, Reza Pahlavi.
Long Live our Beautiful Country of Iran.
Our Kind and Benevolent Queen Shahbanoo Farah Pahlavi will light our road to Freedom, Prosperity, and Happines.
May GOD Protect this family and Iran from the evil eye of the enemy.
Slient majority
by aynak on Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:07 AM PSTVPK writes:
"The Shah did kill a few people. However who were these. For msot par.
The real mistake of Shah was not killing enough of them.We saw what
happend when his "opposiotin" got the upper hand. God I wish to have the
Shah back.
In addition the actions of Shah are not that of his sons. No one is
responsible for other peoples actis. Otherwise god forbid as an Iranian I
would be responsible for you!!
I remind you that in a recent poll of IC Reza Pahlavi showed a pretty
respectable support. Given the trashing his family got since Mossadeg it
is pretty impressive. I would pick him in a minute. Long live the
Pahlavi and their true love of Iran."
It is not very smart to say this stuff, when you see what just happened in Egypt. Otherwsie, we will have an endless circle of switching between Monarchy and Valeeh Fagheeh system, oh wait, in a nutshell, isn't that our entire history?
The silent majority of Iranian, don't happen to control, any of the media's. Those are controlled, by either Islamic Regime or Pahalavi Parasts. So I would not read much into their renewed popularity. What have R.P done to make him qualified to even run a small business, let alone a country?
It is also pretty ridiculous to say, people want another dictator, when the whole region is clamouring for freedom and democracy.
I am somewhat baffled, by your statement of "shah's only mistake" to be not to kill enough people. And as if to justify it you state he "only killed MKO or Islamist?!!" Regardless of what I feel about Mojahedeen or supporters of the current regime, I always thought, in my system, they would all have a voice. ONLY NOT A VOICE THAT CAN PRVENT ME FROM HAVING MINE.
But no, not only you have not come a single step forward, you have delved deep into Reza Shah time. Just in case you missed, it, what you suggest, have been tried and failed miserably.
In addition, your view, sheds light in what we can expect in future RP ruled Iran. More of the same shit, except by different dictator.
Iranian for all Iranian (That means Bahai, MKO, Islamy, Non-believer, believer, Balouch, Arab, Azarei)
One person one vote (That means, noone with more privilage or rights that others, particularly unearned ones).
Accountable government (Elections and votes).
Welcome to 21'st century.
May we all have good dreams.
I like those defenses too!
by Parham on Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:33 AM PST- Oh, he killed as many as they kill in say, Switzerland and Canada! Heck, he didn't even surpass the stats on killing per capita in Lichtenstein! Take that now, you moron! And apologize, NOW!
- Oh, but he just killed rats! They deserved to be killed! I wish he had actually even killed MORE! I wish he had squished them under his mighty feet! I wish he had squeezed their necks until they said "whoosh", be haqe panj tan!
Like I said, you have NO idea what a democracy is! Case in point... : )
Yasmine =/= Farah
by deev on Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:11 AM PSTThe link you provided as proof of Farah's charity was for an article titled:
"Yasmine Pahlavi Presides Fundraising Charity Gala for Children Foundation"
Miss Yasmine whom I'm sure was raised by kind loving parents has enough heart in her to help a charity but just because they share the same last name through marriage doesn't mean Farah Pahlavi can get credit for Yasmine's work.
My sister-in-law cries for sappy movies, doesn't make me sensitive!
Parham
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:12 AM PSTI have no intention of suing you. I like to have the "wrong" opinion discredit itself.
The Shah did kill a few people. However who were these. For msot par.
The real mistake of Shah was not killing enough of them.We saw what happend when his "opposiotin" got the upper hand. God I wish to have the Shah back.
In addition the actions of Shah are not that of his sons. No one is responsible for other peoples actis. Otherwise god forbid as an Iranian I would be responsible for you!!
I remind you that in a recent poll of IC Reza Pahlavi showed a pretty respectable support. Given the trashing his family got since Mossadeg it is pretty impressive. I would pick him in a minute. Long live the Pahlavi and their true love of Iran.
FREE PRESS HAS LIMITS EVEN HERE IN WORLDS #1 DEMOCRACY
by SOS-FREE-IRAN on Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:13 PM PSTIs there anything such as free unlimited press? There are limitations to free press even here in America. What have you learned Fariba Amini? Are you living in a bubble?
Defamatory persecutory speech is NOT protected under free speech laws in America. If you defame the good record or character of any American, he has the right to sue you. Democracy does not mean that you have the right to slander good people.
Are you for real? You must be some uneducated Islamic fanatic communist like your Mr. Dabashi, Mr. Khomeini, Mr. Khatami.
Enough is enough from you vile mouthed people following Sir Ayatollah Khomeini's blood libel attacks on Pahlavi Monarchy. Imagine if some one went around calling your parents murderers and using that to censor you, take away your rights and privileges. This is the experience of Pahlavi Family here in America.
If you are a true Iranian, see through the vicious lies spewed out by Sir Khomeini and his British masters.
You owe our King and Queen an apology for defaming their good character.
دکتر آقای
Samad_AghaSun Feb 13, 2011 09:23 AM PST
دکتر آقای مهندس خان کی به شما گفته میتانی صمد آقا بازی در بیاری؟ مگه اینجا شهر هرته؟ حالا دیوار کوتاهتر از دیوار موی دهاتی و شاه مرحوم پیدا نکردی؟
آقای سوس ایران، ماست و خیار عزیز دامت برکات
ما به آقا مرشد توصیه کردیم که یه طرح دعوی به دادگاه عالیه جهانی ارائه کنه. شما لطف کنین و فهرست صدماتی که این ناظران گمنام به شما و شرکای غمتان وارد کردند به آقا مرشد در دِه بالا پشت کوه ارسال کنید. تا اون موقع انگشتا غلاف.
Haha!
by Parham on Sun Feb 13, 2011 08:55 AM PSTI like that defense! "What do you know about libel, you moron", "what do you know about name-calling, you moron, huh? Huh?"
Okay, here we go again: Your Shah had people killed under his rule, had people tortured under his rule, had rampant corruption under his rule -- deal with it! That is why a revolution was, to say the least, facilitated. Deal with that too!
Never mind the fact that he wasn't even supposed to rule under law of the land, because your intelligence will not even reach the borders of that debate.
Movie stars! Hah!
"Hi, I'm Shahbanoo Farah, and I'd like to sue that stupid b1&çh Coco Chanel for having messed up the side of the dress I was going to wear at Valentino's 'Old Fart But Still Hopeful' ball! Who do I see for that?"
Sue me now. : )
Iranian Freedom Requires that we rebel for the character and
by AlexInFlorida on Sun Feb 13, 2011 05:39 AM PSTIranian Freedom Requires that we rebel for the character and good name of people who were infact Good. Unfortunately due to complex reasons The Shah has been an easy target due to not enough people defending his character, which in comparison to snow white in heaven may not be perfect, but in comparison to other world leaders is something to be proud of.
As for Queen Farahs charity for Iranian children to receive medical attention that can not afford it or get it in Iran is done anually in conjuction with yasmine pahlavi. I encourage you all to donate not debate.
//iranian.com/main/news/2008/08/07/yasmin....
Thank you SOS IRAN
Not much in 30 years
by deev on Sun Feb 13, 2011 02:13 AM PSTPlease list a few charity organizations our benevolent queen has been involved with in the last 30 years.
Yes in Iran part of her job was to visit hospitals and orphanages and so on however in the last 30 years you wont find much.
PS: Sarah Palin called wanting her coined phrase "blood libel" back and threatened to sue for your overt usage without trademark.
deev - you must be clueless
by SOS-FREE-IRAN on Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:24 AM PSTwhy don't you retire..
you're so full of non-sequitors.
our queen has been involvled in charity all her life.
you must be clueless.
Parham, do you have a clue what a democracy is?
by SOS-FREE-IRAN on Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:17 AM PSTWhat do you know about a democracy? What do you know about limitations to free speech? what do you knwo about defamatory speech? what do you know about sedition act of 1917? What do you know you moron.
is there such a thing as unlimited speech in America? no, you moron. There are limits to freedom of speech. Speech that causes sedition, persecution, that provokes violence is outlawed here in america. If those individuals so wish, they can sue those that spew defamatory speech.
So, Mr. Kinzer's blood libel can be attacked under laws governing defamation of character.
Even here in america, what do movie stars do when the gossip panels publish defamatory slanderous libelous material about them? they sue. if they win, the gossip rags have to pay a penalty.
Have you tried to write and say something defamatory about President Obama? If you do, you could get fired.
//www.associatedcontent.com/article/5726398/b...
Stop living in a bubble. Character defamation is NOT protected speech. It is morally wrong and illegal in America.
Do you have any morals? Do you Islamic regime supporters or communists have morals? Are you animals? What have you learned in the time that you have spent in america? Do you have any clue what you are talking about?
the Jews have filed a class action lawsuit against Carter
by SOS-FREE-IRAN on Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:20 AM PSTThe jews have filed a class action lawsuit against Carter for writing fiction that persecutes the isreali. for distorting the truth. for fabricating lies about israel.
when someone defames your good name and record, what do you do?
What do the movie stars do when lies are published about them? they file libel lawsuits. there are limits to free speech in America and the free world. you cannot walk around making stories about our King and Queen. unfounded stories that result in persecution. It is precisely because our King and Queen have been so forgiving and lack the funds to press charges (lawsuits are expensive) that we are suffering today.
Democracy is not allowing harmful persecutory lies to fly around. defamatory lies are not protected by freedom of speech, or are they?
You say you are living in America? Try fabricating some defamatory lies about the Queen of England or President Obama, and you will be arrested immediately.
Try it. Why don't you take a placard and write: "Death to President" and walk in front of white house or the local federal building... see what happens to you!
Why don't you try it. WE are living in America, the beacon of Democracy, are we not? But there are limits to freedom of press or freedom of speech, even here in the united states.
Shame on you people who are totally out of touch with reality. You must be some moron living in a bubble to think that you can make defamatory comments about the American leadership without retaliation.
Here is an example:
//www.associatedcontent.com/article/5726398/b...
Fariba
by Parham on Sat Feb 12, 2011 04:56 PM PSTThey don't even KNOW (as in NOT HAVING A CLUE!) what a democracy is. Are you kidding?
I bet you anything 9 out of 10 won't even be able to give you a simple, correct definition of democracy.
And I'm serious.
Lawsuit Samad agha Style
by Doctor mohandes on Sat Feb 12, 2011 04:55 PM PSTSamad agha says:
Aay lawsuit file mikonom Ayy Lawsuit file mikonom!!
Heesshki mese ma nemtana lawsuit file konaa!!
Free Press does not mean
by Fariba Amini on Sat Feb 12, 2011 03:37 PM PSTFree Press does not mean anything to our royalist friends.
This is why I never believe them when they say we want democracy!
Law Suit?!!!!! for What? For free expression? !!!.
LOL @ benevolent King and Queen
by deev on Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:34 PM PSTSuch claims make the Iranians laugh let alone the American writer you want to sue, yes benevolent indeed...
So benevolent that they were kicked out of their homeland
So benevolent that they have not been involved in charity
So benevolent that two of their children committed suicide
So benevolent that they use Alireza's death to further their political agenda
The word benevolent called wanting to retire from the dictionary if such misuses continue, blood libel your face!
You people are goddamn crazy
by Parham on Sat Feb 12, 2011 05:21 AM PSTThat's all I can say.
Class action lawsuit. Jesus Christ. How demented can you get?? No, really.
Calling on Attorney to file class action lawsuit against Kinzer
by SOS-FREE-IRAN on Fri Feb 11, 2011 08:44 PM PSTMr. Kinzer and his followers must be sued for defaming the good name of the Pahlavi Dynasty. Mr. Kinzer's accusations are not only defamatory but also persecutorial in nature. As a result of it many Iranians who support the Monarchy have been attacked, discriminated against, censored, and their lives ruined.
It is the moral duty of a good Iranian or American lawyer to initiate a class action lawsuit against Mr Kinzer, his publisher, Mr. Kazemzadeh and his publishers, and others who have published blood libel about our kind and benevolent King and Queen who selflessly worked for Iran and Iranians.
parhoom
by shushtari on Fri Feb 11, 2011 04:51 PM PSTyes, you definitely are in the minority.....by 'we' you are talking about a fraction of the population that fell for khomeini's bs....have you even listened to his speeches?! do u believe he can even speak correct farsi?
Stop lies, start the truth
by Siavash300 on Fri Feb 11, 2011 01:39 PM PSTKinzer created false image of Mosaddeq character in his book. He lies and conceals so many historical facts such as rapid influences of Soviet Union through Tudeh party in Iran in those days. God knows what would have been happened if shah had failed to return to crown in 1953. Iran would have been another Soviet providence such as Bulgeria whom their women were selling their bodies for a pack of cigarretter or pair of socks. His 9/11 theory, his view of event in 1953, all are completely biased, and prejudicial. He is talking out of ruling Mullah's mouth. His book, except the part about Ayatollah Kashani whom his grand son is currently working with Ahmadinejad, without censorship was translated into Farsi and quickly disturbuted thoughout Iran.
Mark Gasiorowski and his conclusive book give full and detailed description of event in 1953. Work of other analysts such as Diane Goldsmith is more admirable than kinzer.
A couple of quick replies
by Parham on Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:03 PM PSTDirty Angel
Thank you, but I'm not sure I understand. Are you talking about Leila?
Btw, "DizzyPuppy"is only my moniker on Soundcloud, that's all! : )
Shushtari
What, that we had a revolution was because the previous regime was corrupt is only my opinion and I'm in minority with that opinion??
No really, where do you people come from? : )
Imperialists and IslamoFascists
by theconstitutionalist on Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:25 AM PSTThe Pahlavis only executed 3xx people?
Wow! You have to be blind, deaf and dumb to believe that.
I think we have that many people in my family alone.
Its true the Mullahs have killed more. Doesn't mean we are going to forget what the fake ass Pahlavis did. They were fakes.
I can't wait till the people destroy the Mullahs and re-install the oldest democracy in the Middle East. The Pahlavis didn't just destroy democracy in 1953, but much earlier during the Constitutional movement in the early 1900's in the aftermath of the Turkic Qajar dynasty who was forced by the people to set up Iran's first Majilis.
Pahalvi backed by the British, trapped and killed the leaders of the movement and then dismantled Majilis and instituted martial law. Thousands of people were killed by the Pahalavis between then and 1979.
Only a tiny minority inside Iran are waiting for the Imperialists to come back. Most people regard the Pahlavi period a giant bloody stain in our history much like the Mullah period. SAVAK = SAVAMA
All hat and no cattle
by deev on Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:14 AM PSTAll hat and no cattle is a slang lacking class yet fully compensated with truth, our Shahbanu loves calling herself "IMPERIAL MAJESTY" yet she doesn't have an empire. Can't raise kids with ego like that, leads to double suicide, truth is truth, with or without class!