DEMOCRACY

Right on Brother, Right on....

Evolution, not revolution...but...don't want to wait forever either...I have only this one life...thanks to the resent global communication revolution, evolution happens much, much faster than in the past...so there is hope..perhaps even during my life time :)

True dat homeboy?

Everything you say is logically sound, if all things were to remain equal.  Life is not an economics formula.  Ceteris Parabis does not apply to people's livelihood.  There needs to be a system of checks and balances put in place that affords people the ability to oust the sons of bitches who think that being heads of a nation gives them absolute power.  

We may not be ready for democracy, but need to be given the chance again and again and again and again and again and again and again...and I will not stop here.

I agree with all who disagreed

with your view.  Even in all democratic countries like US where I am living there are many little dictators in the many people but they are still all enjoying freedom and Democracy.

B.S. Your article is well wrtten but it can not full smart Iranians that you are a supporter of IRR/IRI.

Yes the road to democracy

Yes the road to democracy is long. And one of those steps is allowing people the freedom to choose their destiny. Just like one of the egyptian protesters said: I don't care who leads egypt as long as I can vote him out of office every 4 years.

So PUHLEEZ, these are old arguments that belong to the dino age.

Vildemose, exactly...

You're right on friend.

The religious right who, thanks to Reagan, gained power and prominence in Amercan politics during his presidency would want nothing less than the list you noted below. Once the Right gains unquestionable power, the following will aslo apply:

- The confedaret flag will be flown in  front of all government buildings south of the Mason-Dixon line, and north of it if they can.

- What little laws there are for Gun ownership will be repealed.

- The banks and financial institutions will have zero regulations and can do whatever they want.

- The EPA will be the first agency to go. The pollution "permit" will be reinstated and the air and waterways in the US will resemble that of Russia, Eastern Europe and China.

- Tatoos will be mandatory for all school children.   :-)

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IRAN FIRST

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If it were up to teabaggers,

If it were up to teabaggers, women will not be able to vote or go to work. Women have to stay home and homeschool their children. All books about Evolution would be burned and replaced with "creationist" book in the public schools. Interracial marriages would be outlawed. All the labor laws that protect the workers will be revoked....etc.

Vilemoose

Well spoken. This thing about "not ready" is used regularly by dictators and their intellectuals. They said the same about segregation in USA; about a block President. They don't want to devolve. The want devolution. 

Does anyone seriously thing "AB" is being honest. Dos anyone think he wants what is good for Iran? I bet you anything this is yet another attempt by IRR to justify themselves. AB: yeh right you really hate the IRR; specially the pay checks.

do you think the teabaggers

do you think the teabaggers are ready for democracy or the messianic christian funadamentalists ready for democracy? Do you think if there was refereandum in Oklahoma or Albama, to deport all foreigners and blacks and bring back segregation, getting rid of affirmative action and bring back the prohibition laws, I would guaranteed you it would pass with flying colors. There are always people who are scared of change and afraid of losing power and control.

Legislative laws have the power to expedite the "evolution" of the unevolved.

Raoul

I would add this one:

The last thing a starving person needs is being told they are not ready. Not ready for food!

Nice Academic

Discussion about cultural 'evolution' and such, however, when some folks are hungry for a change, philosophical issues cannot prevent them from bringing about a revolutionary social change.  When one is starving s/he needs food to satiate her/his need now, not later. The last thing a starving person needs is instructions on how to till the soil, add compost to fertilize the soil, sow seeds at the proper time,...etc. 

Absolutely no ambiguity !!

"No matter how much we hate Khamenei or the Shah or Khomeini, the crimes of their police and secret services can not be entirely be blamed on them. This is simply because those who carried out these crimes, did it on their own free will and for whatever reason chose to do it. "

Just so I have left NO ambiguity for IRI criminals to justify their crimes, the above text is absolutely FALSE in regards to Khomeini and Khamenei gang. As the spiritual representatives of the hate and violence cult of Islam, they were the perpetrators of murder and violence against "non-believers" (read anyone they don't like). From their hate filled speeches calling for demise and murder of groups and individuals (with ample documentation) to Khomeini's written documents ordering the murder of "non-believers" and other prisoners in '88. From top to bottom, they are all guilty of murder, conspiracy to commit genocide and countless other crimes. The sick and the psychotic animals like Assadollah Lajevardi and countless more were just the icing on the Islamic cake, so to speak.

AB

You are not fooling anyone. You don't hate the IR; if you did you would not be arguing for them. Please we are not that dumb to fall for this. I know the IR leaders are pulling out all stops. 

How about this: The IR leaders thank the devil for the time they have had. They pack up and go now. In return people will go easy on them. But I fear they will go the hard way ...

Regarding: Sharte Lazem and Sharte Kafi. How about you go learn Persian? I tell you want the Sharts are: The required condition for Mullahs to go is brute force. It may be supplied by people or by any other agency. That is the necessary condition; and some chains to lock them up; I am saying this because I am generous. Others are not quite as forgiving as I.

AB, perhaps you're not ready, don't generalize your incompetence

for the entire nation. The whole process is very dialectical as they say, it simply means relational, and interconnected: which means this ,

by fighting the dictators outside of yourself, like Ahmaghinaejad, and his ilke,: (your pay masters), one prepares the ground for fighting the dick ( short of dictator) within.

Not all persons necessarily suffer from the deficiencies that you and others like you suffer. So, once again DO NOT GENERALIZE YOUR  PERSONAL FAILURE FOR THE ENTIR NATION. Keep in mind unless you are a freedom fighter, and have social comittments, you can not, and  will not have any personal freedoms, as simple as that.

P.S. RG is correct, all of this is just a thinly covered  futile propaganda  by IR agents.

Brilliant: Couldn't Agree More

I couldn't agree more. Change starts from within. How many Iranians do you know who could stomach sitting in the company of someone they vehemently disagree with? 1 or 2? That's more than I know!

In the summer of 2009, here in Washington, DC - the Iranian-American community decided to hold a vigil for the fallen youth on the streets of Tehran. Word got around, and many gathered. BUT - to our surprise, or perhaps, not to our surprise,  the same evening, ended up being made up of 4 different locations, in this tiny town. 4 different venues, each walking distance from each other - because the Iranians in this city couldn't come together, even to mourn!

I couldn't agree more with this article. There's a little dictator in the heart of way too many of us. Change has to come from you. It's very powerful when it does.

Afsaneh

All the IRR

supporters are lining up. Now Khebedin joins the "we are not ready" gang. That is what they used to say about South Africa also. Oh "they need the while rule"; "they are not ready for ...". The same ***.

The only ones not ready for democracy are Islamists. They will never be ready for it. Nor will they ever agree to it. Here is a solution: We get democracy in Iran; Islamists move to Syria. 

One sign of the absolute bakruptcy of the islamiust regime...

Is that their supporters on internet have to use the name of a "pre_islamic Iranian national hero" as their user IDs, in order to attract some readership and avoid being ignored. In case of this blog, I simply stopped at the title!

I'm outa here for a breath of fresh air. 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

We're Not Ready

I think we need read this article several times and understand it. In my view Aryo Barzan is correct. The problem is ours not them, and until we realise this, things remain very much the same if not worst.

Those in power are our own creation, and we can not creat better than what we are. So let us listen to Aryo BArzan, read his article again, and start from ourselves.

Thanks Aryo, you have explained it well

More IRR excuses

Yes sure we are not ready blah blah. I have heard it all. I have no doubt that other IRR supporters like "Kooshan" agree with AB. Well you should speak for yourself. If you don't want democracy move!

Iran will have democracy and you sir are welcome to go to Saudi. I am truly sick of people coming up with excuses to keep their masters in power. Now you want to scare us with MKO.

You set impossible preconditions then say we are not ready. Well the world is full of flawed humans. All democracies have your "little dictators"; it does not stop them. Take your nay saying and keep it.

PS:

Why do you Islamists always like to use pre Islamic names? Is it your way of insulting and minimizing real Iran. It won't work. I will expose you now and forever.

VPK

  I tend to agree with

I tend to agree with the previous commentor in the sense that you do not need to be completely ready for democracy, but given cultural and historical conditions, the country may be more at risk by demagogues, opportunists and other unsavory cults and ideologies. All social and political ills of a nation and the culture can be dealt with in a progressive way, in a democracy. But, setbacks and compromises are inevitable, given the average level of intelligence in the society.

Generally, the higher levels of ignorance and illiteracy, the higher the risk factor. As we saw in '79, Shii-eh-Islam criminals found themselves in the right position to murder their way into power, by taking advantage of the illiterate and ignorant masses. The result of which in 30 years, I would guess, is a much higher level of skepticism of any type of political system in a much wider segment of the population. This is the first line of defense against future demagogues, since now it will take more sophistication to unite and commit the majority to possibly another criminal enterprise.

why not

In every society there is a problem of logic and understanding of freedom. freedom is not one thing you could manufacture or copy, free and just society will be completed by working in progress, This Idea that one society or the country or the region is not ready for freedom is created and told by western countries like British or American to save their interest, because when we have a freedom and democracy in our country, our national interest will not be forgotten and foreign countries cannot be able to take and push us around as usual. societies grow and learn from each other just like a language, I lived in the city and the area that people were speaking three languages at same time and I have learned all three and plus Persian in school, so we could learn if we want to and it will take time and there is no rush in that, regarding governing if we have a responsible people to run the system and follow the law, rest of puzzle will be filled. If anyone who lived in Iran before 1979 and have seen the system was running like a Swiss watch and society was in peace and security for women and kid was beyond any American or European imagination, that kind of society is enough for freedom and democracy and if any one disagrees because of personal reason is not a good reason, look at France it took them century to be where they are now, look American and British or any other free countries, They were not ready either and took time and still they are not that free and democratic as you think they are.

I agree with AB's

I agree with AB's point.

But now, there are bigger brutal dictators who are trained in Ashraf and outside Iran and wants to get there by any means....in the process...the main victim is Justice!