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And yet, if one examines

And yet, if one examines the following database of Iran-based commercial (non-military) airline incidents, I think they will be hard-pressed to find a single civilian fatality that can be considered as being directly attributed to the US sanctions on Iran that prohibit the direct sales of US-made airplanes, airplane parts, and services.:

//aviation-safety.net/database/operator/airline-country.php?id=EP

(Unless someone else has a more comprehensive database to review? And, I think it might be a bit premature to conclude what was the root cause of the most recent airplane crash.)

This being said, however, I personally support the sales of US-based airplane parts and services (such as training) to Iran when such sales clearly promote airplane safety.

But, I think this petition is a bit misleading because the potential removal of those US sanctions will have very little, if any, effect of promoting the safety of non-US-made airplanes that are currently in use by Iranian-based commercial air carriers...and which I think are a significantly greater safety issue for Iranian civilians today and for some years to come, even if US sanctions were to be ended today.

It means

IR, NORTH KOREA, CUBA and EASTERN EUROPE UNDER COMMUNISM, where one group and their lackies control(ed) everything!

Yes, everyone is free to

Yes, everyone is free to sign or not to sign. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head. They gave reasons why we shouldn't and I gave reasons why we should.  

Now, here the issue is about parts for civilian Airplanes. maybe this accident was or wasn't due to part failure, Sooner or later there will be some.  Na sharghi, na gharbi doesn't happen overnight.  You don't even know what that means, do you?  

آقا مجید، ما هم

آقا مجید، ما هم دعا می‌کنیم که شاید این رژیم کمی‌ بیشتر ارزش برای زندگی‌ هموطنانمان بگذارد.  بین دعای ما و امضای شما یه چیزی میشه دیگه.  فقط این وست کسی‌ به ما نگفت که آیا کمبود قطعات هواپیما باعث میشود که مسؤلینی که اجازه‌ی پرواز  هواپیماها را میدهند استانداردشان را پایین بیاورند یا نه؟  بعید هم نمیدونم که خلفا سر تحریم عصبی شدند و هر ۸ ساعت یکی‌ رو اعدام میکنند.  این مأمورین ارتش سایبری مهدی که هر چیزی رو به شقیقه ربط میدن، این هم روش... یه دادخواست هم سر این بیارن که ما امضا کنیم و از بیخ این تحریم را منتفی کنیم.  همش تقصیر این آمریکایی‌های بی‌وجدانه.

همسادهء عزیز

هر جائی که یک امضاء بی قابلیت من  شاید،  و «شاید» از مردن یک هموطنم جلوگیری بکنه من  امضاء میکنم، با علم به اینکه میدونم کسانی هستند که میخوان از آب گل آلود ماهی بگیرن و میگیرن!

ما خارج از کشور کم ندیدیم که یک واحد کامل آتش نشانی بسیج میشه که یک گربه رو از مرگ نجات بده، و ما اینجا داریم در مورد زندگی انسانها صحبت میکنیم!

در مورد اینکه ما با یکی از سبع ترین، خونریز ترین و بی مسئولیت ترین نظام های موجود طرفیم بحثی نیست ولی آدمهای بیگناه نباید تاوان حماقت یه مشت جلاّد بیوطن رو بدن!

حساب اونهائیکه میخوان با عربده کشیهای بچّگانه و احمقانه به لقاءالله (ملاقات با خدا)  برن جداست، موقعش که برسه مردم ترتیب ملاقاتشون رو  میدن!

Give Me A Break!

Which "people?" Those who are "squeezed" don't have money to fly! And proably don't know where US is. So, are you justifying thievery by using the unfortunate deaths of Iranians? Do you even care about Iran or Irsnians? What's in it for you? 32 years of deaths and destruction is what IR about. Iran has become the junkyard for worthless Chinese and Russian goods. What happened to the slogan, "Neither East, Nor West?" What happened to free this and free that for the poor? "Squeezed?" The whole thing is hurting/squeezing the thieves only.

مرسی‌ مجید جان

متاسفانه بعضی‌ از دوستان، این قلم موی رو که استفاده میکنند، اینقدر پهن هست که خیلیها رو بی‌ یک رنگ و یک دست میپوشونه.

Mehrdad

نه مجید خان،

نه مجید خان، اگر در همین صفحه توجه کنید، این جانب به کسانی‌ که در این مورد خوش نیت هستند و این دادخواست را امضا کرده‌اند اشاره کردم (بیست و شیش هفت نظر پایین!). این که هیچ، یک نظر برو پایین ببین که تمام گرانی‌های اجناس و تورمی که در سی‌ و دو سال پیش به وجود آمده هم تقصیر این تحریم وامونده می‌گذارند.  این هم نظر یکی‌ از این اینترنت پودل‌ها، نظر از کسی‌ که به غیر از تحقیر در مورد حقوق بشر در ایران ندارد.  من هیچوقت گستاخی‌ نمیکنم که شمارو با این دسته جمع بندی کنم.  این هم ماجرای عاقبت کیسهٔ خلیفه، تحریم، و نان را به نرخ روز خوردن.

و در نتیجه..........

In other words you are

In other words you are saying, starve people to stop corruption.  Because if there is nothing to steal from, how can they steal?  To stop corruption you don't do chemotherapy.  However, that is exactly how US is treating Iran. They don't give a damn how many good cells that will be destroyed, as long as if this patient lives, she must live by their rules to serve their interests.  

As long as there are people around, there will always be something to steal. maybe not as much, but there will be some, and by the time you have minimized their profits, you have starved millions of others. The last sanction just showed what will happen.  Soon there will be sales tax, property tax increase and much more.  The more oil revenues drop, the more people will be squeezed and people will blame US and Israel for the most parts, not IRI. 

Also

Many subcontractors working with Sepah- or Basij-run corporations lose millions of dollars and go bankrupt as a result of unsettled debts. The bullies do not make good on their payments. Instead, harass or destroy the lives of those who insist on getting paid. Many poor employees never get paid, as a result. Moreover, the sanctions are working against the ruling militarists and their partners who own these corporations. As the "pie" gets smaller and their shares of the spoils shrink, the division among different factions deepens and their fight over what is left intensifies even further.

This accident wasn't about airplane, but wrong judgement!

Those idiots who ordered to fly, and the pilot who should have never flown this when he knew about the weather condition. The reason that i still can fly, is becasue I am very cautious and treat the information that I have very carefully.

Some people want to make this to a political deal about buying aircraft parts is a different thing. Of course, I would like them to buy new aircrafts and parts, but the issue politically is much more compllicated, as you know.

"God is love!"

Faramarz

You wrote, 

The argument that the reasonable people like you and a few others make against the sanctions is that by allowing the trade with the I.R. Regime, somehow the benefits will eventually trickle down to the average Iranians and as such, this is a poison pill that we should take.

The latest sanctions has caused substantial price increases on food and Gas.  Aren't these subsidy cuts direct effect of latest sanction? Who was benefiting from subsidies? Government or people?  Prior sanctions could have had similar effects on people, but government has tried to absorb some of the pressure. Otherwise, these price increases would have occurred a long time ago. 

You wrote,   

Now back to the domestic airline crashes. The only incident that was investigated by the authorities in Iran was the crash of an airliner that just went down as it took off from Mehrabad airport a few years ago and a bunch of Pasdars who were on the flight got killed. They tried to blame the pilot for the take off. But when the instrument panel in the cockpit lights up like a Christmas tree with all kinds of red lights and they tell the pilot that he has to take off, what is he going to do?.

All the lights came on and the pasdars told the pilot he has to take off? And he did? knowing by doing so he will put his life, passengers lives, the plane and others in danger?  Even I know that won't be safe and here you are talking about a pilot who has gone through extensive training to get a license and they must retake the tests every year or so and they report every small issue to the control room and they decide what the pilot should do.  I am amazed how some people can accept such illogical answers.  

Let's Reverse Roles!

Imagine the roles were reversed, that is the US was in need of the parts and IR had them. Knowing the IR regime, I don't think Americans could get any parts. Look at millions of Iranians in exile. We want very tiny parts of our country, too, but we can't have them. Tens of millions of Iranians inside Iran are living in poverty and are deprived of the most basic rights. And why is that?

Right On, Faramarz!

I totally agree with Faramaz's arguments. The only beneficiaries would be those who control the economy under the IR regime. Having witnessed regime's anti-Iranian policies for the past three decades there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that those in power have no interest in improving the living standards of the people.

So your logic is, people

So your logic is, people get killed anyway, why bother to save a few? Then you speak of humanity, love people, love Iran and etc. And you want people to rise and take a bullet for you?

Otaby, did you said you went to Stanford? 

I wouldn't recommend buying parts direct anyway, since they would probably sell defected parts to crash the plane anyway. I personally would rather to ride one of these Stanford graduates rather than a plane, but this part issue is another law breaking action by US. Of course, you will say so what, US has killed and injured millions, a few thousand more won't make any difference.   

"If there is any thing smuggled in..."

Balam jan: Sepah is the biggest smuggler in Iran. Even the most genius Mafia in the world couldn't come up with their rackets. Case of Satellite Dishes: Sepah is the biggets importer through its duty free piers, exclusively used by Sepah, large scale purchase, and duty -free import already puts them in a position of  "comparative advantage," but the best part is that after selling the  Dish for three to four times higher than market rate [ through their intermediaries] they confiscate the Dishes and sell'em again, as second hand.

But, balam jan you're absolutely right. Sanctions in general have adverse effect on ordinary people most of all, and it turns out to be more a case of unintented cosequences, than anything else.

Closing the bank account of Modjtaba in London was probably the best example of intelligent sanctions.

Dear cousin Farmarz: using your analogy here

Likewise raising taxes on the super rich to the extend that makes any investment a losing prospect for them, will only harm the less fortunate ones. The rich will just sit on their money or worse invested else where, thus by extension we have harmed the very same people that we wanted to help to begin with.

As in Iran, those on a higher on the food chain (Sepah and Basij) are hardly effected by sanctions. If there is any thing smuggled in, which undoable it is, it will serve them first.

The middle ground type approach, sanction on things that will affect the "super rich" i.e. the leaders and main players in Iran yet not punishing the ordinary people may have a more affective way to bring changes to Iran and Iranians.

Just as in here that super rich doesn't care about poor people getting poorer, those in power in Iran do not care if once in a while a plane falls off the sky or if sick does not have the medicine that it needs.

Mehrdad

32 years of boasting & death

to America, celebrating 1400 year old death, billions on outdated russian nukes & chinese junk but they but can't get parts. Faramarz and several others pointed out flaws of this petition. Lives of those in these planes, are more dear than those who die because of incompetence and thievery of the rapist regime in every imaginable aspect of governance? 

At what point do you take a decisive stand against IRR? Where is the evidence that parts save lives? They buy everything under the sun via Dubai & other thievedoms. Latest control & anti-people equipment from Nokia to HP, Cisco, Checkpoint, Siemens…..? And if people survive flights? IRR makes their lives miserable, kill them in the streets or track, imprison & rape them.

 //persian2english.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/a-note-about-the-armoured-vehicles-from-china-to-iran/ 

Parts will be a new scheming operation, costing lives elsewhere. Do you really believe lives will be saved?

And please stop promoting war for Iran's sake. There will be no animal called surgical attack with these blood thirsty thugs and it will certainly not be for sake of Iranians so surgical strikes are as naive as this petition.

 //iranian.com/main/blog/oktaby/there-was-never-good-war-or-bad-peace 

Oktaby

this about the regime not usa

why are we not signing a petition for us to get rid of the regime in iran then we would not have any problems getting parts or planes.

 also, the regime can build nuclear bombs but not air plane parts?  I thought ahmadi said sanctions would make iran stronger.

 also american has every right to not sell iran anything, why should they when on a daily basis iranians are yelling death to america, are killing us soldiers in iraq and afghanistan, taken us diplomats hostage, and support terrorist.  why should the us bow .

if you dont want planes falling out of the sky, join us youth in overthrowing the regime. until then planes will keep falling.

Signed.

This is about civilian lives. To those who disagree.  Would you feel the same if you or your family members got killed or injured? 

Everybody loves somebody,

But your comments shows you don't love anybody. I don't know why people choose a username that is just the opposite of who they are?    

Iranians'll take Iran-Payma, TBT, Transport Shamsol-Amarh Buses

Because they are resilient!

Not only that the current sanctions should not be lifted, but also they should be augmented by Air, Sea, and Land blockades! A surgical military strike will even make it perfect!

Sanctions should be lifted when the entire regime of Islamic  Republic is collapsed!

signed!

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true faramarz, it's all very much reaganesque

faramarz, your analogy of the trickle down theory is spot on.  while iri's cowboy-like stance is also very much reaganesque in regard to sanctions ("sanctions have no effect on us") and threat of hostile action ("america hich ghalati nemitooneh bokoneh"), they pay their agents and phony organizations to lobby against sanctions and war effort.  the final words of these agents, within the spectrum of mr. nice guy to mr. a-hole, are these two issues.

anti-iranian is iri and its agent that with their rhetoric have made a pariah of our country and its citizens.  anti-iranian are those who have made life difficult for ordinary citizens with their aid to terrorists, mismanagement of the country, siphoning off iran's wealth, killing and torturing ordinary citizens.  not those who don't want to bail these demonic thugs with appeals.

btw, iran leads the world (in per capita) in fatalities on the road.  so if some of you think the way to travel in iran is by road instead of air, think again.  it's not sanctions, it's a bunch of fools running the country with total disregard for human life.

Even after Iranian Billionaires ran to Bev Hills

Iran is loaded.How much Oil do they have again? Am I supposed to believe they can't afford Gasoline and Airplanes? Come on already.

Petition: Stop using sanctions as a cover for your dozdee

Dear Friends,

I hearby ask you to join me in asking the Iranian government to stop using people's lives to cover for their incompetence and dozdee.

Please stop using sanctions as a bahaaneh for the choices you make.

You could very well buy NEW Russian aircraft that are not under sanctions, but you choose not to. Why arent airlines of the Russian Federation falling out of the sky 24/7?

You could very well rent top of the line Boeing or Airbus aircraft from Turkey or UAE (which therefore do not fall under sanctions), but you choose to rent instead from Turkmenistan and any other tokhmee country with cheap junk for sale, and instead funnel the savings to Basiji organizations.

You HAVE the technology to manufacture aircraft, and yet you choose to export them, instead of providing your own people with the desparately needed upgrades. 

And finally, you could very well stop spewing out perpetual mozakhrafaat like marg bar Amrika, Marg bar Engelees, and Marg bar Israel, and join the world community as a mature country with a mature set of policies, so u wont have sanctions to deal with in the first place. GROW UP YOU AGHAB-OFTAADEH MORON!

Sanctions are imposed on Iran due to islamist regime's

constant terroristic threats and it's irresponsible behaviour towards it's neighbours and other countries . I want to know what the phuck has Iran to do witnh Israel/arab issue? Why do we have to get involved in an issue which has nothing to do with us whatsoever? Why do we have to be sanctioned because the islamist regime is now backing the same bunch of terrorists who sided with saddam during Iran/Iraq war? 

BTW, I signed, although I know it aint gonna help anything. So long as we have ahamdi/khamenei due in charge, Iranians are going to get killed daily, one way or the other.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Why bother

Life in islamic paradise has no value what so ever. There is also high level of incompetence, mismanagement, corruption and lack of care in general. All you will be doing by erasing any kind of sanction is you are making bunch of low life islamists more prospeorus and more safe that's all......

The best thing to do: Use foreign airlines when entering or existing Iran. Stop travelig with Iran Air domestically. drive, take a bus or train if possible. It's a large country but it's not that large so it can be done.  

The Trickle-Down Theory of Ending the Sanctions

Cousin Mehrdad,

The argument that the reasonable people like you and a few others make against the sanctions is that by allowing the trade with the I.R. Regime, somehow the benefits will eventually trickle down to the average Iranians and as such, this is a poison pill that we should take.

Interestingly enough, this is the same argument that the right wing folks in the US make for the tax cuts to the super rich. That by giving more to those who are in power, eventually, some benefits will trickle down to the folks down the stream! And we know how well that theory has been working!

Now back to the domestic airline crashes. The only incident that was investigated by the authorities in Iran was the crash of an airliner that just went down as it took off from Mehrabad airport a few years ago and a bunch of Pasdars who were on the flight got killed. They tried to blame the pilot for the take off. But when the instrument panel in the cockpit lights up like a Christmas tree with all kinds of red lights and they tell the pilot that he has to take off, what is he going to do?.

The problem with lifting the sanctions on the Regime is not about a new fleet of Boeing and Air Bus aircrafts. They need to be trained on these aircrafts, learn how to maintain them, attend classes in the West, etc. In other words, they need to become a part of the international community.

The Regime will not be able to do that while they are arming the Taliban in Afghanistan (the same Taliban that slaughtered a bunch of IR people in Mazar Sharif a decade ago) and the insurgency in Iraq (the same people that killed 100’000’s of Iranians in the 80’s) and causing problems in Lebanon, Gaza and smuggling arms to Africa.

You're right lives may be saved

But there's no effort to make anyone give a crap about Iranians anymore.It's more like wasted effort instead by flinging out resentment.It's like 'I'm Iranian,feel sorry for me and my country,thanks I hate you..."  duh