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Okay you got me : ) Pay Raise! So I'm cynical/bitter/upset

I'm a not active in any shape, I observed and saw the folly in it. Just an arm chair democrat at heart. I don't pay cable & live in the UK.  Freidman is not the problem anyway, its the way the leadership is built and what its goals are, which gansters it's always served.  America is such a deeply sad story, it will never matter how far she goes technologically or in terms of the nations wealth. The entire direction of the country is wrong and nothing can or will change it in a human time frame, that's how it was constructed so it can't be focussed on its purpose. 

amirparviz Jan

Do I detect a hint of cynicism in your posts now :-) That is what I mean by pushing an agenda. BTW: it is Friedman bought and paid for by your cable subscription dollars.

Try and not think of it as sick agendas to push on people

So long as the USA is an Empire, it has to spend most of its tax payers money not on them but its military industrial complex, which have produced 11 Aircraft carrier battle groups that control all the oceans and seas of the world (all commerce), most of the worlds surplus food production and the worlds global currency. So enslaving people, stealing their freedom, creating instability are in fact in the national interest of such an empire.  So Freeman deserves a pay raise in reality, he's helping create the thoughts within people that are essential in pursuing the empires national interests, to the point where his employer will have a majority of people within the usa join the US military if a draft is called and willingly kill & enslave people to the monetary benefit of the empire.  Of course he'll be the first person writing articles that present the future war differently that is his job.  As for America, it lost its way a long time ago and won't change because of anything we say, the reality is it can't change at this stage.

Amirparviz is right

Who is Thomas Friedman to tell ME how to move on. I am sick of know it all *** journalists,. All with sick agendas to push on people.

Vildemouse that is a lie, a manipulation & which causes

hurt on an untold scale. He knows the truth. How Japan, the UK, Denmark and dozens of others became more democratic, the japanese weren't put thru a priest phase, the others either. What is Friedman supposed to say?  The USA has zero intention of the middle east and north Africa from becoming more democratic, thats their manipulation, that the real motive of the USA is to pursue its own interests and arrest the development of these regions, to prevent their evolution and to control their resources? Thomas Friedmans story keeps peoples eyes off the truth, that if the USA wanted more democracy for Iran, which it never did, it would have supported the monarchy and the evolution of iranian society.

Please Open your eyes to the agenda the main stream media supports.That is not what Thomas Friedman thinks, that is what he wants you to you to accept and think.  That is what is known as manufacturing thoughts and opinions in others, he works for the empire and serves it well.

 Thomas Friedman think

 Thomas Friedman think before the Islamic world becomes truly democratic, they have to go through a "Khomeini" phase. This explains their support for MB in Egypt.

//ac360.blogs.cnn.com/

"It is the chain of communicat­ion, not the means of production­, that determines a social process."

-- Robert Anton Wilson

Hooshang...

Here is what I have gathered from your hallow rants: BLAH BLAHH BLAHHH BLAHHHH BALHHHHH.  Put down the Viagra old chap, it seems you cannot get anything up without it!

End of conversation.  

Parham

Thanks for the correction.You are right.She acknowledged the grievances ( a bit short of apologising).

Parham

Thanks for the correction.You are right.She acknowledged the grievances ( a bit short of apologising).

Vildemouse Ryszard Kapuscinski is highly fictional, untruthful

He is very famous in Poland, he was backed and given fame by a mainstream media that created and used his propaganda regarding the late Shahs regime.  He takes one of the top prizes for creating lies and manipulating the history of iran during the late 1970's, absolutely shameful, yet presents himself as a journalist.

While it's very tough to be worse than the islamist loving bbc, his content in terms of lies surpases them with ease. 

 DK: Thanks for the links

 DK: Thanks for the links and info.

 Please respond to this diarist at DK!

//www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/25/1039897/-Shah-of-Shahs-by-Ryszard-Kapuscinski?via=spotlight

if you don't have an account at DK, you can email him...

"It is the chain of communicat­ion, not the means of production­, that determines a social process."

-- Robert Anton Wilson

well dear oon yaroo, we'll never know...

I just dont see how Khosrow t would have survived the Islamists, given what happened to the rest of his comrades who survived SAVAK. that was my point.

in the end of the day, regardless of where we stand politicaly, a bit of objectivity and forward looking would help us all to focus on challenge in hand, the Islamist regime, and what little we could do to push our country out of the disatser of islamist fascism. Otherwise, we will all end up like sister/brother salman the Hojjatist, shouting Ya Hossein , 12 time a day, defending this criminal ideology of political islam, all on internet, from the safety of his london/Toronto residence ....  

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

ahosseini

در تمام موارد کاملاً حق با شماست، اما آلبرایت هیچوقت از کسی عذر خواهی نکرد. این فکر نادرستیست که در میان ایرانیان جا افتاده. آلبرایت فقط دخالت امریکا را در یک سخنرانی تایید کرد. تا کنون هیچوقت عذرخواهی از ایران توسط ایالات متحده صورت نگرفته.

Vildemose Jan Not sure Kapuscinski is a reliable historian

Did Polish Journalist Kapuscinski Mix Fact with Fiction? - TIME 

Poland's top reporter accused of lying and spying in new biography  (Daily Telegraph)

Particularly if he relied on these folks' testimonies to draw his conclusions on the Shah's "tyranny" ...

American CBS TV network airs Fake Tapes on Shah's Speech (1979) 

Alleged SAVAK Victim testifies on an American Liberal TV

Revolutionaries hang Reza Shah's Bust at Paris Embassy (1979) 

Mehdi Bazargan and the controversial legacy of Iran's Islamic intellectual movement

Mashallah Ajoudani on Intellectuals and the '79 Revolution

For alas not all ex revolutionaries were nor are as intellectually honest as her:

Shahrnush Parsipur: "I was Never Physically Tortured by the SAVAK" 

Golesorkhi was a follower of Imam Hossein (AS)

see my blog for his video beginning his defence with full praise for Imam Hossein (AS). 

 //iranian.com/main/blog/salman-farsi/ya-hossein-blood-allah

For an Islamic democracy

On "On khosrow Golsorkhi...."

If Golesorkhi survived SAVAK and SAVAM, he would be residing in the good old US of A, practicing good capitalism, constantly monitoring his stock values, posting on IC under Gole Sorkh, and most importantly saying "noor be ghabresh bebareh!?"

  Shah of Shahs

Ryszard Kapuscinski 

(Author)

 //www.amazon.com/Shah-Shahs-Ryszard-Kapuscinski/dp/0679738010/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1322418326&sr=1-1

Translated from the Polish by William R. Brand and Katarzyna Mroczkowska-Brand. Show More

"It is the chain of communicat­ion, not the means of production­, that determines a social process."

-- Robert Anton Wilson

On khosrow Golsorkhi....

Thanks Oktaby for the good comment.

I just want to add, that Khosrow's statements during his trial, on "mola Ali", praising shia islam as a "liberation movement", must be viewed within the context of Iran's 1960's, 70's political left mindframe. Completely naive of the purely Fascistic nature of political islam.

I have absolutely no doubt that had Khosrow survived Shah's Savak, he would have been executed by Khomeini, like tens of thousands of other left wing activists.

I , as a socialist, consider the hatred of both Shah and Islamist regime towards socialism, as so clearly shown by the vile comments of supporters of these two shameful dictatorships in this blog,  as an absolute badge of honour. As a vindication of tens of thousands of leftists, including our dear rafigh golsorkhi who despite any mistakes, sacrificed their lives for nothing other than Iran and it's people. 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Golesorkhi

Balance is good on all sides. Even when leveraging facts, it seems emotions win the conclusion.

Glesorkhi, was a man of honor to the core. I do not agree or endorse his views but lets not p!$$ on him like we do on Shah. Anyone recalling the brevity he stood and denounced legitimacy of his trial court before getting execution order won't disrespect him so gratuitously. He was on the wrong side of history in my opinion. He was also the product of that time (globally) that the idea of a socialist panacea seemed achievable and particularly palatable to youth of a nation fresh from 1953 and influence of massive leftist propaganda, Toodeh influence, JM incompetence, coupled with Shah's missteps. It was also fahionable. Golesorkhi was not part of the fashionable camp.

Milani, a former prisoner of Shah and not exactly a friend, shed's good light in his book than a lot of name calling and innuendo about him and his times. He believes 'history will be a friend of Shah'.

On the other side Shah's mistake with mollas ala Hosseiniye Ershad and Shariati style "opening" cost him and the nation. Of course, that was still a smaller factor than 1979 expiration date oil contracts, massive and sytematic build up of hojati style islamism right under Shah's nose in Iran by the West in the preceding decade for which Khomeini was a perfect lunatic fit following ayatollah BBC and so on... The only Ironic part of all this is all groups opposing Shah at the time had picked up arms or promoted violent struggle specially the leftist of all stripes while the islamist kept building their blood machine without arms. Having all "wised up" now, they all promote Civil disobedience and peaceful struggle against one of the bloodiest regime's on the face of the earth and think Parazit's comedy talk is anything but.

Oktaby

Oktaby & VPK ---You are right, balance is indeed good!

By the way your statement, "of course it is true that events of 1953 and 1979 were related" is entirely different than direct cause and effect relationship between the two!

The leftists have stuck their proverbial feet into one shoe and keep banging the drum of a direct cause and effect between 1953 and 1979!

That's simply wrong! And, its correctness or falseness must be methodically & scientifically proven by unbiased experts not a group of emotional followers of Imam Golesorkhi!

VPK Jaan, you detected my sarcasm about informed and sophisticated!

Iranian people are mostly devils advocate

We always try to find excuse for missmanegment of leaders we support. Like people who love Shah put the blame on others and say shah was not to blame, khomeini supporters and khameneinsupporters the same.

A leader himself never pull the trigger, it is always a basiji or savak people who does it, and if the leader does not know about it then it is mismanagement and that person should not be managing the country. 

Amirpaviz Jan

Sorry I was caught up in the "Hossain" thread dealing with Ommati BS. As you know I have a great deal of personal affection for Pahlavi. The vitriol against him is unjustified. In my other post I said we may write a book on his good deeded. We may also write a few pages on his mistakes. Unfortunately a few mistakes are enough to ruin an otherwise stellar record of achievements. To be fair I will point out some of his best actions:

• Giving women rights that way ahead of his time.
• Bringing 38 years of peace and prosperity.
• Making Iran the best country to live in the region and Iranian people respected

While these may seem easy they were not easy to do. Particularly in the fact of fierce opposition from all kinds of forces. From religious right to radical Marxists. He was opposed by all the self declared democrats. Who had no idea what freedom means.

Dear Oon Yaroo

1953 occurred, then 1979 occurred!

You raise a very good point. The relation I see was that a bunch  of people held grudges. The Mossadeghi brooded for 25 years with one goal: bring down the Shah at any price. They had no plan for what to do next. That is the connection I see. 

Why did the so-called informed and sophisticated leftist follow and bow to Khomaini in 1979? 

Because they were neither informed nor sophisticated. Just driven by an unreasoning hatred of Pahlavi. Watch their hero Golesorkhi the man was quite mad.

دوستان عزیز

ahosseini

صحبت بر سر واقعه 28 مرداد و نقش  مثبت و یا منفی مصدق در واقعه نیست.

صحبت بر سر نقش منفی امریکا در حمایت از دیکتاتوری شاه میباشد

  .صحبت بر سر عدم وجود آزادی های دموکراتیک پس از واقعه 28 مرداد میباشد.

عدم وجود آزادی بیان, اندیشه, مطبوعات, تجمعات, احزاب, سندیکاها, اتحادیه ها, تجمعات, تشکلات زنان و نهادهای دیگر که مانع رشد سیاسی و اجتماعی مردم ایران گردید و در نتیجه خمینی و نظام جمهوری اسلامی را بر ما تحمیل کرد

 بیاد داشته باشیم که مدلین اوبرابت وزیر خارجه امریکا در دیداری با خاتمی در باره عملکردهای منفی کشورش ازملت ایران عذر خواهی مکند.

نتیجه مثبت از همه این تجربیات این میباشد که ما باید بر استقلال مواضع سیاسی خود تاکید کنیم.

Face it people

• Promoting Isalmism and Westernization at the same time. Not a good mix and an obvious way to create division.
• Weakening or rather destroying secular civic instituations. Hence no secular people to stand against Khomeini.
• Jashne Honar. I am still trying to figure out the point of it. 
• The 2500 year celebration farcical waste. Mostly pissed off Iranians for no good reason.
• Redoing the calendar just to piss people off in Iran.
• The last and worst was making the Rastakhiz party. 

None of the monarchist s have yet refuted the fact that Royal

Court cultivated and promoted characters like Kashani and his ilke, and was a major factor is having the clerical cast become a dominant force in Iran, then again none of you has indicated if you understand the very meaning of the term; the concept of Clerical Cast. So, with monarchists we also have this issue of compound ignorance. 

Also none have refuted the fact of shah's predilection towards prostitutes. And don't tell me shah was a saint and wasn't into hanky-panky , and always behaved like a little good boy scout, because we all know exactly what he was about.

The Key Fact was... Opposite to your so what comment

Khomeini, Khamenei, Rafsanjani & Mousavi have all been charged with
personally ordering high level executions & mass murders, in court,
found guilty in Germany a large trading partner of IRI's.  Are you saying the late Shah
was responsible Regardless of whether he knew about it or not, intended
it or not, gave the order or not?  Well With intellect like that I say if
you 2 are leftists....  Leftists were one of the main source for
creation of IRI. It's not that I'm a genious, its that you are a ...

on "manufacturing false hate"

amirvezovez joon, you should know a thing or two about that!!!

Your desparate, comical,  attempts at causing friction and division amongst opposition (this time monarchists against "leftists") to islamist regime on this site, is just too obvious, you "genious"! The only reason you are not being challenged is because you are too boring, too slow and obviously as thick as they come, and as such not worth it...

I consider all iranians regardless of their ideology, be it monarchist, JM, left, right as my comrades so long as they believe in liberating Iran from the clutches of islamist fascism. A few hateful morons dont like this. You  seem to be one of them. 

"secular", "monarchist", my foot.....

BTW, there seem to be another irate monarchist , "barhamand", just joined the fight, except this one seem to be a real shahollahi.....

nighty night brother vez o vez. That's your lot.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

HTG

Your anti-Shah vitriol is as unfair and inaccurate as anti-Mossadegh vitriol or pro-IRR subterfuge of Dabashi et al, and I'm sure IRR enjoys this type of exchange. The Shah and sheik cliche sounds good but is a fallacy, specially in this situation. Of course it is true that events of 1953 and 1979 were related. So were events of 1906 or 1945. Stating otherwise would be denying continuity of history. However, to close one's eyes and equivocate Shah and Khomeini or more specifically Iran of pre 1979 and post, shows a level of emotional view that can barely be supported by evidence or numbers. That same unhealthy emotion gripped Iran in 1979 to usher the rapist republic in and has driven the divisiveness that has extended its filthy existence long passed its shelf life.

One can argue merits or White revolution for example but to suggest it was the source of all evil is just your opinion. Movement of masses from countryside to urban areas was and is a continuing global trend and has accelerated since.

We certainly did not have as many issues and complexes as we do now and our heritage was not getting raped and plundered systematically.

Balance is good.

Oktaby

PS: Bahramerad, please express your point of view in juxtaposition to HTG, rather than speak for millions

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