BACKFIRE

I let others decide who is whom and what

But, I believe it is you who avoided addressing the issues.

Thank you for the "good debate."

Mammad

More

good news for the %3 Pro Terror, Pro War, The Usual Suspects on IC, as reported today:

"Up to 60 Iraqis were killed and about 140 others were wounded in a suicide bomb attack targeting Shiite pilgrims as hundreds of thousands of Shiites undertook a pilgrimage to the holy city of Karbala.

The attack occurred at about 9:00 AM local time when a suicide bomber detonated an IED (improvised explosive device) he wore under his jacket near a police checkpoint among a crowd of Shiite pilgrims marching to a shrine in the town of al-Zubair, southwest of the oil hub city of Basra."

//www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/shiites-killed-during-religious-pilgrimage-post-us-iraq

And a sad day for the rest of humanity.

Faramarz, If one day you as the president of Iran choose me as

your minster of Iranian Intelligence Services (IIS) I'll make sure that all the members of the IRR regime stand trial with due process and due guilty verdict before I order their execution by the firing squad!

I'll hire Bahram G. as my legal counsel! How about that?

Save your defence of Mousavi for the court Mr Sahimi

TL:

Are you in clothing business?

TL:

Before going around seconding others, please go back and read the comments and see who wrote what. I wrote the first comment on this thread and Faramaz wrote the second. Self-pitying is what some people do here when they can't offer a decent argument/counterargument.

Reduce 'n' Seduce!

That's my motto!

Perpermizi ;)))! and G.R. ewwwaaaawww

call me a cliche but I'm going to get my gear together. Ewwwaaaw.Perfect uncover-up.

Mammad, I'm actually trying to help you out

I don't actually like waffle and messy thinking at all.

That doesn't mean however, that I don't take the time to go through the mess and waffle to see the sense in it, if any, because I lack the conviction of seeing some sense in some heartfelt ( at times justifiable) emotions. 

the reason that it is imperative that everybody reads anything about political theory is that it is in the highest interest of any nation, especially one like Iran, which is often in turmoil, for a by far greater future, that it deserves.

P.S. Why write articles on politics when you haven't got a clue? 'Political Science and in particular Political Anthropology' is my 11th field! It's freaky to me.

Surely, it's your duty to inform yourself? (Don't want to get into a slanging match, but you see, Fred, knows his inside out, as well as all the tricks in the book on arguing.)

The Dumb Demagogue!

The Dumb Demagogue is back with his ordinal numbers, sounding like a broken record, again! Dropping names and vouching for IR criminals as if he has spent years with them. Or perhaps he has, after all!

TL

First, I am not after "buying" or "receiving" favor. I am here to express my opinion. I know that there are many people who read what I say and have told me repeatedly through their private e-mails that I should not quit IC. I will not, even though no one is attacked here by the usual suspects that me. But, hey, as I always say, participating in a political debate is not the same as taking part in a popularity contest, and I am also not a member of the "party of wind."

Second, if you read my last comment that I just posted, you will see my response regarding Mousavi. That is what I believe.

Third, Mousavi came up because someone kept calling me Mousavite. I was focused on the blog's issue, until that person and a couple of the usual suspects injected that in.

Fourth, guilty as charged,. I know nothing about political theory; never claimed to otherwise; just expressing my opinion. Given that you say you appreciate many of my comments, I can only conclude that you too like total waffl!

Mammad

Anglophile

First of all, it is interesting to see that someone who hides behind a bogus name calls me by my last name. Is that your way of saying "you know"? Anyone who cares to know my last names does already! So, what is the point?

Of course, it is not surprising to see this, because when someone has the audacity to tell me that I have not felt deeply enough the loss of my loved ones at the hands of the VF regime - a purely personal matter - and links the depth of my pain to his own ideology - that is, for me to show the depth of my pain I must satisfy your ideological view by "repenting" - he/she can also exhibit such knowledge!

Second, you misunderstood my comment, sir/madam. By "public court" I meant "public court of opinion," particularly a terrible one that exists here on this website, where a few loudmouths pretend to represent the "great majority of Iranian people" - to use a phrase used by one of these self-righteous "representatives" of the Iranian people - and are not able to make contributions to a good debate.

Third, I have always said that all the leaders in the 1980s are responsible for the execution of the political perisoners. But, the responsibility is of two types, according to the standard laws since WW II: a moral responsibility and an executive responsibility. Every leader of that decade, including Mousavi, has moral responsibility. The difference is that there is no evidence that Mousavi, having the moral responsibility, also had executive responsibility, until proven otherwise.

Fourth, unlike you and many others here, I do know the power hierarchy in the the IRI and VF regime - my long track record of writing on Iran speaks for itself - you do not, as much as you may want to claim otherwise.

Just nine months ago, we saw the big raw between Khamenei and AN over the Minister of Intelligence; in August 2009 we saw the same. In 1997 we saw the same. In 1993 we saw the same. Same thing with the judiciary. These organs have always been controlled by the Faghih, whether Khomeini or Khamenei, not by the PM or the "president."

After Mousavi was put under house arrest last year, people who opposed him but worked with him in the 1980s, made interesting and revealing observations. One, Mohsend Rafighdoost, who was Mousavi's cabinet minister said, for example, that he often did things on his own during the Iran-Iraq war, and Mousavi learned about them later on. There have been just too many of such revelations.

And, distinguished journalist Bahman Ahmadi Amooee, who has been in jail since 2009, has said many times that Mousavi was opposed to continuation of war and harsh treatment of prisoners [except when they took up arms and killed people]. If Amooee, a good and progressive journalist, says that, who am I to doubt it?

So, I suggest that you do some extensive reading on this - not reading of the comments of the usual suspects here that represent "the great majority of Iranian people" - but scholarly books and articles, before commenting on such things. Of course, one can always cast doubt on anything - like you saying "how do you know" - but that is not the way to counter an opinion, in my view. In science we call this hand waving, if that!

Mammad

TL:

Calling someone an agent maybe harsh on him/her if he/she is not! But for those who are, they proudly wear the badge of honor. For some it's their livelihood. This site cannot verify people's real identities. It does not need to. Years ago, I was accused of being one, myself. The accuser left the site the following day. He resurfaced later, under a different name.

Agent Lily!

I had a good laugh about this one!

Let's see secret agent, double agent, real estate agent, sleeper agent, customs agent, free agent, literary agent or travel agent!

I think you are more like Agent 99 on Get Smart!

Mammad, you don't do yourself any favours

Mousavi as a PRIME MINISTER, should have been and WAS aware of executions. Basta! I won't read anymore drivel on that.

You are not doing yourself any favours. 

His exact crimes and sentencing are indeed for a court to decide.  That is what due process of law is about, but before the process of law there has to be a case of prosecution.

Anyway, what the hell does that have to do anything with this blog? And I'm actually in favour of what you have otherwise stated, pertaining to this particular blog, in general, not the waffle.

P.S. Also seconding Souri and Bavafa. (Been saying it for ages...Btw, it's that savagery which is keeping thousands out of the millions in diaspora away from commenting on this site....)

P.P.S. Mammad, I actually appreciate a lot of your input, but I have a
problem with your stance fundamentally and that is: it is very obvious
to me that you have very little knowledge in political theory, which
might be the reason why it sounds so much like total waffl, rather than
substantiated and logical, but then I try to correct myself thinking
that that might be the general status quo or something else.

G.Rahmanian. Paid agents on IC

Do you really honestly, cross your heart and hope to die on mould and damp, believe, that as pathetically nontransparent this site is, that it would allow 'agents' of any sort on this site? 

Honestly, one of the reasons I won't believe a word of it, is because I myself have been called one. It's so funny, that I can't even laugh about it. 

If you think that there are agents on this site, report them immediately!

It's as crazy as it gets!

Some folks are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome and they don't seem to realize it. I'm not talking about IR's paid agents on this site! They're doing their job. I'm talking about those entities who claim to oppose the regime, but spend most of their time attacking the real opposition.

This is where you betray your "credentials" Mr Sahimi

Excellent observation by Souri khanom...

"This group has a doctring of their own : My democracy is not your democracy! I can say every thing I want but you, are not allowd to do the same! "

Unfortunately the examples of such guiding principles are too frequent on IC.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Souri Khanom,

I hear you loud and clear! I hope someday we Iranians can carry on a discussion without creating hysteria or sensationalism, to stick with facts, forget personal agenda and to stay away from personal attacks.

Meanwhile, I strongly believe it is all true Iranians duty, particulatly the ones in diaspora with ralatively more freedom of expression, to condemn this cowardly act of terrorism and do whatever we can to prevent a devastating war some are planning for Iran.

Shad Basheed!

Lady vildemose

I - the former "one of the most underrated Iran experts" in your own language - am everything that you call me in your last response, multiplied by 10^n, as n diverges! But,

I let others compare my comments that, right or wrong, are based on common sense, if nothing else, with your emotion-ladden profanities, and then decide what each of one us is.

Saying "this is a low point for Israel" is not condemnation. May be it is in your world, although even then it will collide with your describing terrorism as "activity abroad." Will you use that description for the VF regime's terrorism?

I do not need to have your permission or that of others to live here in the U.S. As I have said repeatedly on this site in response to American "patriots" of Iranian heritage that have made such silly comments when they have nothing to say, I'll be delighted to put up - on a moment notice - my track record as a citizen of the United States against yours or that of anyone else that attacks me here, to see which one of us has made more meaningful contributions to the American society. But, I reserve the right to dissent, which is my right as a law-abiding, tax paying, highly contributing citizen.

I condemn torture, terrorism, and dictatorship, regardless of who commits them and what political structure is behind them, whether in Iran or elsewhere. I have said many times that at this stage of my life I wish nothing more than seeing the VF regime gone. But, I refuse to make an alliance with Iran's enemies - not the regime's but Iran's - to achieve my wish. Perhaps that is the difference between me and your type.

If some of you just bother yourself and read my articles elsewhere, you see that I have published too many articles about most crimes that have happened in Iran over the past 33 years, from the Chain Murders to the executions of 1980s, etc. Few individuals, if any, have documented such crimes in English with as much detail as I have given. The record is there for anyone to see, if there is the will to break out of the ivory tower of "you are either with us or with the VF regime" and take a look around.

I have said many many times that if Mousavi had a hand in the 1980s crimes, he must and will be held accountable. But, I refuse to put someone on public trial when the orders for killing were issued by someone else, they were carried out by others, and the man had no control on either the person who ordered the killings or on the executioners. 

Mammad

It's obvious who the unbiased, "logical" ones are

It's the same individuals who frequently call others "turncoats", "traitors", AIPAC, etc, etc. And then they complain about the "conspiracy theories" and lack of "logic" on IC. One has to admire these individuals for their creativity!

Thanks to

Dr Ala and Mammad for their great input, and also thanks to amirparvis, for his unbiased statements.

Regarding Hysteria

Mr Jirandoust,

This was exactly my point in my frequesnt comments. Some of the readers at IC, have turned these pages to a veritable piece of theater. They run from one blog to another, only to spread slogans (shoar dadan) without any consistance.

Our dear friend, came to Ari's blog last night, and insulted Ari (and us) just because he has an old beef with him:

by Roozbeh_Gilani on Sat Jan 14, 2012 07:02 PM PST

On the monsters who have the impudence to put the picture of Neda agha
soltan, next to the one belonging to a comrade of her murderer...."

and when I criticize him, calling him a dangerous mind, he calls it:

"disgraceful, out of context,  personal attack!"

This group has a doctring of their own : My democracy is not your democracy! I can say every thing I want but you, are not allowd to do the same!

Dear Bavafa

You might not have noticed that on IC insult, conspiracy and absolute
bias often times are the guiding principals in shaping many of the
comments by our dear members.
Sound logic does not have much place here

It becomes more and more obvious every day, my friend. 

خمس و زكات در جمهوري اسلامي!

Speaking of bank rates I thought this link might help you to understand what may happen to your money if you trusted the regime and were lured by the banks new interest rate of 22%.

//iranian.com/main/news/2012/01/14-8

AmirP

I just wrote a long comments explaining that you were not the one my comment was pointed at, but somehow was not posted. Don't know why. There wasn't anything in it to offend anyone. Maybe Admin can explain why.

mammad, jirandoust

How is wanting IRI overthrown and not complaining about a Basiji being targeted for murder make one a Turncoat?????

Please explain in detail. 

That Israel and Mek were behind a bomb killing is shameful terrorism "yes mek are turncoats" but since Mr Dead Basiji was on the side of forces terrorising the people of Iran (not a civilian), whats your issue really? If he was just a scientist you'd have a moral point. He wasn't so you don't.

Sure it was terrorism, even though against a man that worked as a force for Violence against Iranians, yes wrong.  Where's your condemnation for terrorism 100 times worse on the peaceful people of Iran?  Doesn't leaving the people of Iran abused and undefended really mean you are the true turncoats?????  Seems to me you guys are opposed to freedom and justice for Iranians (by not condemning Ali Gheda and his regime) and the other guys are more for freedom and justice. 

By the way

"Separation" just won the Golden Globe for us. Congratualtions everyone, on either side of this debate.

Reading all the comments on

Reading all the comments on this blog and the other one on the same subject, one can not help but to suspect that there may be a treacherous alliance (to borrow Trita Parsi's book title) between MEK, AIPAC and some turncoat Iranians. The amount of hysteria this "Alliance" is creating is unbelivable.