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Photo essay: Cyrus the Great showered with flowers

by Farzad
24-Mar-2009
 

 پرتاب گل به سوی آرامگاه کورش بزرگ در لحظه سال تحويل

در تخت جمشيد و پاسارگاد هيچ امکانات رفاهی نيست. سازمان ميراث فرهنگی  و سازمان های مسئول ديگر در ايام نوروز هيچ نوع امکانات رفاهی در تخت جمشيد و پاسارگاد تهيه نمی بينند. هيچ تبليغی برای رفتن به آن جا نمی شود، به ندرت وسيله ی نقليه عمومی  برای رفتن به آنجا هست،  و به وسايل نقليه شخصی اجازه پارک در پارکينک های اطراف را نمی دهند

آرامگاه کورش نه چلخراغی دارد، نه فرشی. نه ادعای معجزه ای دارد و نه کسی از آن معجزه می خواهد اما چندين سال است که در آستانه ی نوروزجوان ها با رنج راهی طولانی و با  پای پياده  خودشان را به آنجا می رسانند تا تحويل سال نو را در کنار آرامگاه کورش سر کنند. روز زمين سفره هفت سين شان را روی زمين  پهن کنند، و در لحظه تحويل سال نو به سوی آرامگاه گل پرتاب کنند.

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...Kourosh himself was not

by pearlndove (not verified) on

...Kourosh himself was not Zoroastrian; he was a follower of the noble goddess "Anahita"...But I guess that's beside the point here...It is so embarrassing to see us so loud and yet ignorant of our own history. It is time to study our history and learn from it too. I refer you all to the excellent book:"Dar Tariki e Hezareh Ha" by Iraj Eskandari در تاريکى هزاره ها.


OmidKarimi

The interesting historic

by OmidKarimi on

The interesting historic part about that tomb is that its not for certain that Cyrus The Great is buried there. Most likely, its just a symbol. Its a shame that His burial ground gets so little attention by the government anyway. I wish they had built a golden dome around it with large parks, shops for the tourists, made it nice and tidy. Its the most important historic place in Iran.

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Cancer of Islam

by Pars (not verified) on

Anonymous55555:

You're wrong. What the Arabs did (and continue to do) to Iran with their Trojan Horse (the Quran) is FAAAAAAAR worse than anything the Mongols, Turks, Russians, Macedonians, Afghans ever did to Iran, COMBINED. We've recovered from those atrocities, but the Arabs left behind a cancerous tumor (Islam) which, over 1400 years, has metastasized the body of the Iranian nation and made us a 3rd rate country with 3rd rate customs. The cancer of Islam haunts us to this very day, whereas the savagery and destruction of the Mongols has long been forgotten and marginalized. I hope you can understand this monumental difference.


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up to my surprise

by shambooli khaan (not verified) on

Still some of this people say Javid shah ,zendeh bad or mordeh bad,I agree with Erooni ,those days are gone how can some dead person be "Javid" ,new year
leave old policies and govrnment that they did not work at their time and seek new Idology that works for century 21 SHah is gone so is time for his family to run Iran again....


LalehGillani

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LalehGillani


In 1979, upon returning from exile, Ayatollah Khomeini was asked how he felt as his plane approached Iran. He replied, “Nothing.” In comparison, Korosh Kabir’s patriotism, is best expressed by his last wishes:

فرمان دادم بدنم را بدون تابوت و مومیایی به خاک سپارند تا اجزا ء بدنم ذرات خاک ایران را تشکیل دهد.


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anonym5555: Your support of

by flatstomach (not verified) on

anonym5555: Your support of the IRI speaks volume and I don't want to get into an argument with the supporter of the most unprincipled entities on earth.

I wonder if the Islamists were not ruling over Iran, you would be as generous toward other aspects of Iranian culture? What if all religions in Iran were equally respected and promoted??? What if Islamist did not rule all the levers of Iranian society? Would you accept a secular society wherein zoroastrian, jews, Christians, Bahi's are regarded as equal citizens and can build churches, and temples and are free to practice and promote their religions?


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Koroush was a good man

by Allaf at 9:44 AM (not verified) on

But people around him were corrupted.


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flatstomcach See? This is

by Anonymous55555 (not verified) on

flatstomcach

See? This is the typical bias I'm talking about. You've seen the letters "I" and "R" put together, and you've automatically panicked, closed your eyes, became totally blind, and concluded that the site must belongs to the bad and mean Islamic Republic of Iran; And you're not even prepared to take a look at it. Ignorance is a much more comfortable zone after all.

My source is not an IRI source. The "ir" you see at the end of "rira.ir" stands for Iran. Iranian domain names end with "ir" in case you haven't noticed. The site I linked to is a site about Iranian poetry (it's not political) where you can do keyword search and do a little research. I asked the other gentleman to do a keyword search and find for himself (instead of blindly repeating Bahram Moshiri's nonsenses) if Iranian thinkers and poets were REALLY anti-Islamic.

Now you can do the same thing too; That is if you're convinced that the site I referred to is not - God forbid - a site designed by the mean Islamic Republic to brainwash you.


LalehGillani

Claiming to Know Everything?

by LalehGillani on

To the contrary, I have always subscribed to the notion that “the more I learn, the more I realize that I know nothing.”

Consequently, there has always been room in my mind for growth and understanding. If you have anything substantial to say, please enlighten me:

Many of us participating in this thread would like to know why Korosh was a “stupid man,” and did “nothing” worth praising.

Please don’t keep us waiting for too long…


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This is how

by Berkeley mom (not verified) on

This is how CHANGES gets started. We can not sit here in sunny pacific coast and expect changes. At least they are doing something. Cyrus is like the American's Lincoln. Why should we not honor him.

Listen we have Iranians struggling to get in to a Gogoosh concert and boasting about it and why not honor our honorable king. Did you not watch The Persians? BE PROUD OF YOUR ANCESTORS< CULTURE, TRADITIONS ETC>


Daryush

whatever

by Daryush on

Silly eyeranian Americans.


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Anonymous555555. Do you practice what you preach???

by Behrooz (not verified) on

Dear Anonymous555555

I believe you are looking at things from the wrong side of the lens.
Firstly no body is challenging the greatness of our culture as it is or the positive influences of other cultures and religions in it. What we are discussing here is proportionality and essentiality of a having plain field. As you have put it correctly your self all culture are constantly changing and evolving and this is partly due to being influenced by other cultures and schools of thought and more importantly when this evolution stops that is when that culture is doomed to die.

However what we are discussing here is the intrusion and illegitimate effort by other cultures or religions and their followers to overwrite and wipe our own Iranian Identity and culture. As long as we stay true to our principal values and cherish our grate historical figures and Persian culture I do not see anything wrong with being influenced by and learning the GOOD things about other people and their cultures and that is precisely the reason for you and me regarding people like Saadi Molavi Khayyam Hallaj…… as grate people. Because they remained true to their Iranian Identity and their work is grate because they took the positive points about other cultures and religions and brought it into Iranian culture by making it relevant to us without alienating our own culture or history. While in the same time they were trying to fight the superstitions (Khoraffad) and other bad influences or weird rituals which were coming along with them. As people like Hallaj Hafez and Molavi have stressed this point in their writing again and again and again.
Furthermore Their achievements was simply due to their genius and grate potential. It was also the due to grate Persian culture upon which they were resting their back. This is why more than 90% of Muslim poets philosophers, scientists and writers are Iranian. They would have been grate regardless of Islam being there or not. As it was their potential just as it is in the potential of a tree to turns the dirt into irresistible fruit or a Rose to turn foul smelling (Kood) waist into a nicely smelling flower and not vice versa

As long as we have a strong cultural base which remains Iranian I see no problem with bringing in good parts of other cultures to improve. However that would not and should not mean accepting all bad destructive habits, rituals and inferior social cultures in the name of progress. As much as it is bad today to live the way that Arabs of 1400 years ago lives it is also bad to adapt all the ill habits( Bee band va bari) of the West even dough in many fields they are now superior to us

As I told before when these influences are challenging the very foundation of our identity by undermining our 1700 years (Yes 1800 years) of written history and magnificent achievements before Islam even existed, then it becomes a dangerous thing and has to be challenged.

Furthermore, to me it seems that you are doing precisely what you are accusing others of by taking a negative attitude on our history and culture before Islam and belittling Cyrus. As the old saying of, “do as I say and not as I do”. Undermining of Cyrus or pre-Islamic history of Iran is in every sense as bad as trying to wipe out 1300 years of history Iran after Islam. Now do not get me wrong one can always challenge and question the legitimacy of a report, character of a person or practicality of a religion and as long as it is done in a respectful manner. I myself I see no problem with it. However the problems with today’s Islamists is that they want to be able to do all the challenging and even insult our identity, but do not let us to ask any question about their way and their so called “facts”. In today’s Iran if one questions the roots of a practice called Hajj or the legitimacy of reports about Ashora Imam e Zaman contradiction in Koran or any other Shiaat rituals, he would be labelled as an infidel and his answer would be in form of a bullet though the head or Sang-Saar. This is while in the other hand people like Khalkhali are allowed to tell any thing about our pre Islamic history and destroy our heritage and historical sites or likes of Motahhari are allowed to write nonsensical books to insult our culture. On the other hand books like Tavallodi Digar, 23 Saal and Doe Gharn Sokoot are being forbidden and people could be imprisoned or even killed for possessing and reading such books. If this religion is so strong and just, then why its followers and even clerics are so afraid of questions and criticism and why they do not answer books with books instead of torture and bullets

Another issue that makes me uncomfortable about your approach is your way of labelling and pigeonholing those with whom you are in disagreement. You even resort into insult and belittling and the funny thing is that most of the thinks that you accuse your opponents of could be said about your own mentality too.

That is why I believe our biggest enemy is extremism of any shape or form.


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Joke of the day-LOL

by XerXes (not verified) on

"I can write pages after pages covered with his accomplishments; I can produce historical evidences to back my claims; I can quote independent sources and historians."

lol. Another Tehrangelesi claims to know everything that there is to know.


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Dear IRANdokht

by Behrooz (not verified) on

Thank you for the reply and sorry for the delay
I must say that I do agree with most of your points. The last thing I want to be is intolerant towards other people’s faith as I believe that like me everybody else is entitled to worship whatever God they see fit and which ever religion they fancy. As long as they recognize the same freedom of choice for me.

However as you said in your response one always should be free to challenge and question other peoples beliefs and religion intellectually without being intolerant and disrespectful this challenge should also include the taking on views of those who try to hijack the memory of Cyrus or pre-Islamic Iran and our culture to serve their own short term political interests. This again means that one has to be free to challenge other schools of thought and there should be no taboos.
For me personally the real battle is between the forces extremism and moderateness. This is a war as old as time itself. All during different era people who believed in these values took up this challenge and by fighting extremism, reshapes the thoughts of their people and hence altered the directions that their societies was taking. On the other hand anytime this battle was forgotten the forces of extremism on both sides have taken over and disaster has followed

As long as most of us are participate in this battle for correct reasons and in a respectful manner or at least try to do so, I see no problems with that.

Furthermore I guess there could be no question and denial that there are a lot of anger and frustration involved underneath it, as we are all only human after all. But the challenge is how to manage this anger and divert it true positive channels by trying to build bridges and mostly trying NOT to be what our enemies are. However as I told you it is easier said than done.

Anger is not such bad thing as long as there is control preventing it to be followed by impulsive action and that is why my answer to our dear friend “don'tlecturus” is that no one is trying to deny your right to be angry or to feel cheated and frustrated, as to a certain degree we are all in the same boat. But the real challenge is to know how to deal with these emotions by not letting them to consume our humanity and get the best of us by turning us into what we hate the most about the other side.

I do agree that it is not easy and as I told before I do not have the whole solution but one can only try


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What Is so Special About Koroush?

by Mihandoust (not verified) on

What is special about Kourosh is that he represents the mindset and character of those men who founded Iran and organized it as a global power on the map of the world at its inaugural stage.
Here is an Iranian who preached religious tolerance, human rights and peace before:
1-Shiism
2-Islam
3-Christianity
4-And yes even a good part of the Old Testament.


Anonymously

Anonymous55555

by Anonymously on

well said and documented! as Hafez says:

کجاست فکر حکيمي و راي برهمني

It is better to be divided by truth than to be united in error.— Adrian Rodgers


LalehGillani

What Is so Special About Korosh?

by LalehGillani on

I can write pages after pages covered with his accomplishments; I can produce historical evidences to back my claims; I can quote independent sources and historians. However, it is clear to me that no lists, no proofs, and no citations will satisfy a mind already determined to belittle him and his legacy.

So I am going to approach your question from a different angle: Let me tell you what he didn’t do:

Korosh Kabir didn’t order the murder of thousands of his own people or the natives of other lands over night. He didn’t command thugs to dig shallow graves to bury thousands of people en mass.

He didn’t call a patch of barren land “the Cemetery of Infidels” to justify the blood on his hands. He didn’t harass or torment Iranian families whose only wish is to mourn the death of their loved ones. He didn’t attempt to build parks over the graves of thousands of people to cover up his crimes.

The legacy of Khavaran belongs to you and your ilk.

This single fact is sufficient enough to distinguish him and place his legacy above and beyond your comprehension.


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anonym5555: Your source is

by flatstomcach (not verified) on

anonym5555: Your source is an IRI source and you expect to be taken seriously?

Noone is here against Arab or Islam. The only people complaining about celebrating our pre-Islamic history are people like you and that makes you racist against Iranians.


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I smell

by Iran Sarbaz (not verified) on

I smell same Nansen's musalman crocodile lover get out of over life {Payandeh Iran javedan Ravan farzandane fardane Iran Korush - Dariush - Atosa Mandana - Artimes...}


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Rajab, See, you haven't even

by Anonymous55555 (not verified) on

Rajab,

See, you haven't even read any of the things you preach. You have just memorized a few cliche catchphrases without having even opened the books yourself. Molavali was an Islamic "Aref". (Read Dr. Shafi Kadkani's recent 1600 pages book on Divane Shams). Then you'd probably know what you say about Molavi calling Shias donkeys is absurd. (Have you ever head of his famous poem Az Ali amooz ekhlaaseh amal?).

If you so persistently insist on being a racist and associate our great poets to your chauvinist mentality, just go on this page, and do a little keyword search:

http://www.rira.ir/rira/php/?

Look for religious words like "Allah", "Ghoran", "Emam", "Ali", "Hossein", "Mehdi", "Amirolmo'emenin" (in farsi).

Then watch how many of them, from Sa'di to Hafez to Attar, to Molavi, to Sheikh Bahayi, Sanayi, Ghazaali, etc. you would find praising them.

Were they all un-iranian? Were they all traitors to Great Persia? Were they all hypocrites? Are you more Iranian than any of them because you worship Kourosh and they take Iran as it is, not as what they GUESS it should have been without Arab influence?

They fact is that you and people like you are blind by racism. You can't admit that whatever problem Iran has is due to Iranians own mismanagement and has nothing to do with ARABS or Islam.

All countries take influence from their neighbors. All cultures in the world are a mixture of other culture. The French culture is full of Italian and German elements. The British culture is very much influenced by French-Britain 100 years war and vice-Versa. Japanese and Chinese cultures and language are strongly influenced by one another. So are religious rituals, customs, food, etc.

Iran is no exception to this rule. Today's Iranian culture (that I found beautiful but that you resent) is a mixture too. It is influenced by Arabs, Mongols, Turkish, Russians and Western cultures because we INTERACTED with all of them. We were at a crossroad of civilizations and took a bit from everyone. That's why our language and culture is so rich and beautiful. That's why it's full of adventure, mysticism and variety.

Now people like you want to wipe off 14 centuries of it because you dislike the current regime?! You want to wipe off 1400 years of Sheikh Bahayi, Molla Sadra, Abou Ali Sina, Baayazid Bastami, Mansour Hallaj, etc. because you don't like 30 years of post-revolutionary Iran?1

You're so full of yourselves and the fake image of an Iran that never existed that you go as far as misinterpreting your own literature and poets to make them sound anti-Islamic? You close your eyes to Molavi's obvious references to Ghoran? You make up stories and anecdotes about how Hafez hated religion when every line of his poems is full of Islamic mysticism?

See? You and people like you are stuck between an artificial image that they have created of Iran in their minds and what Iran really is. Your Iran has never existed. It is only in your imagination. You are imagining what Iran would have looked like without the Arab invasion and your worship that image (and you probably don't even take into account the Mongolian invasion, or the Ottoman, or the Russian wars or the British occupation either). Your Iran is the fruit of your imagination and it entails erasing History.

My Iran is the reality of Iran. It is the Iran shaped by 2500 years of History. It includes every war and invasion. It includes every cultural exchanges. It includes every change in our language, religion, customs and culture (because this is how these things are: They change with time and history). I am neither ashamed of my Arab sounding name (because most of my compatriots have such names), nor am I ashamed of my religion (like most of my Iranian fellows, except you people in LA) and I don't feel compelled to misinterpret my poets and thinkers to make them sound anti-Islamic.

To me, Iran is not in a good shape today, but it's not that horrible either. It's not black or white. We have bad things going on there, and we have excellent things going on too. If we have problems it is our own fault. It has nothing to do with Arabs or Islam (In fact, I've never heard any of you guys complain about how Russia ripped us off 100 more than Arabs. Remember Golestan treaty? Turkamanchai? Russians have taken away one third of our land and none of you Iran Parasts give a damn. You are just concerned about ARABS!!!! And that's because you're racists, pure and simple).

In fact, Arabs are our best trading partners today. (Just go tell all of those rich kids who gathered around Kourosh's tombs if they're ready to give up shopping in Dubai and I'll tell you how genuine they are in their Arab bashing). Mongols and Russians did a lot worse to us than Arabs did. Should we go after them too? Should we force every kid name Changiz to change his name to Garshasepandad?!

Come on. You people are simply ridiculous. You are delusional. You have identity problems. You are citizens of a country that never existed. You don't even know what Iran would have looked like had Arabs not invaded. We would probably be Mongols or something at this point.

Get real. Love who you are. Love your country and your countrymen. Love your culture and religion and language. Then you can call yourself a proud Iranian with 2500 years of History. Iran didn't stop at Sasanian you know?!


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Neithiyti ("Nitetis")

by Danesh (not verified) on

Now let's begin learn a little about Neithiyti ("Nitetis"), Cyrus the Great's wife.

Was she pretty?
Was she a good cook?
Did she raise her kids right?
What was her favorite dish?
What was her favorite color?
How did the king meet her?
How great the wedding was?
Who were the guests? The witness?
Who was her father? Mother? Uncle? Cousin? Newphew? Sisters? Brothers? Grand fathers? Grand mothers? Teachers? ...
?
?
?

Okay for now. I am looking forward a whole brand new well researched book come out soon in at least four hundred pages:

Neithi


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Lets be Proud

by dhhcfo (not verified) on

May God bless those who attended this phenomenal ceremony in recognition of Norrooz and our founding Founder, Cyrus the Great. The one who believed in justice, equality, and fairness for all. It is a reminder of our rich and unbreakable heritage that was ruined and demoted (hopefully temporarily) by vicious attack and occupation of Arabs and Islam.

Our blood may be mixed, but our mind and belief remain unshakable as these people demonstrated on the heel of the Pasargard. We should be proud of them.

Looking at those pictures, I still see Aryamehr at the front of the tomb.


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haji... dooroogh ghoo doshmane khodaast...

by Rajab. (not verified) on

Obviously you do not know what is special about Cyrus. His greatness is that he did NOT do what you claim him to have done:

he get in war kill so many women and children to became greatest king, what is espicial for him?

He always faced armies, NOT women and children, and if the army yielded as was the case of Armenia, he would just return back home. He would fight to repel invaders, as in the case of Sakas in northern iran where he was killed. It took him six months to enter babylon, but once he entered babylon, he killed NO common person. See "Education of Cyrus" by Xenophon.

Your problem is that you assume Cyrus was like islamists. Read about War of Ghrayzeh, where Prophet of Islam ordered the defeated tribe to be collected, men to be killed, each boy's pant to be pulled down to see if he had pubic hair and if so kill him, married pretty girls and sold the ugly and old women. These are historical facts and NOT my claims. See History of Tabari for details.

Greatness of Cyrus is that he was thousands of years ahead of his time, although it is hard for any islamist to accept that fact.


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Korosh was stupid man

by haji single (not verified) on

he get in war kill so many women and children to became greatest king, what is espicial for him?


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Has anyone noticed the

by sometimes (not verified) on

Has anyone noticed the absence of usual cast of characters defending the IRI??

Perhaps Obama has already given the IRI and their cronies the green light and they don't need to work on this site anymore.


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This is great event BUT...

by saeed jady (not verified) on

This is a great event ,lots of Iranian did this event few years ago too. BUT to my surprise ,lots of Iranian Sattelite TV stations want to get credit for this action and announce it like this is their move or they are the cause , How can they be while they are sitting on their fanies in Los Angeles and keep on repeating "zendeh bad mordeh bad javid this javid that" Come on.., this is a "Khod joosh " Act and all paticipants must get credit for great job they did, without any relation to any political group or TV Stations..this is act of Nationalism ,not time to take advantage of such a great "harkat e mardoomi"..Zendeh bad Iran Javid khodemoon.


LalehGillani

نوروز سالی یک بار

LalehGillani


ولی شکوه کورش کبیر جاودانی است. آنها از کورش و قدرت او می ترسند. پرخاشگری آنها ریشه در ذات و فطرت عقیده اشان دارد. جلال کورش کبیر برایشان وحشت زا است...


LalehGillani

Dear IRANdokht:

by LalehGillani on

I agree with you. Believe it or not, I even sometimes get carried away and realize it myself. I hope at the end of the day, we come out of these discussions richer than before not bitter…

A few comments ago, Hajminator offered a “brick” to all the participants on this thread. I graciously declined and posted a reply.


Hajminator

‫لاله خانم

Hajminator


شخصی برش ندارین، منظورم کس خاصی نبود. خود ‫بنده هنوز خیلی دارم روی خودم کار بکنم.

ولی روی این مطلب به این مثبتی دشنام و مسخره میبینم و تعجب کردم. بنظر من بعضی مواقع انسان بهتره فقط تحسین کنه و بگه «به به چه زیبا».

بلاگ زدن آسان و تبادل نظر هم کی جلوشو گرفته؟ همه اینکار را ۳۶۵ روز تو سال میتونیم بکنیم، ولی چند دفعه تو سال مشاهد جمع شدن مردم جلوی آرامگاه کوروش با اون سختی در جمهوری اسلامی هستیم؟


IRANdokht

Laleh jan

by IRANdokht on

I agree with you that we should discuss matters and learn to communicate without having to praise each other. What you see here is a little more than discussion though, it's becoming personal attacks and vendettas. 

Someone out of the blue jumps at people accusing them to take side with akhounds or islamists, the other tells me I am using "eshveh" and referring to him, when I am repeating something that my father's friend said 28 years ago and I have heard many repeat since!!!!  

We can't learn to discuss issues without making them personal and without attacking others character.  I think that's what Hajminator is saying and I am sorry to say that he could be very accurate.

It seems without external pressure, even the ones who are living in the west for decades can't learn to behave and respect one another and realize that just because they're addressing a woman they should not be taking a demeaning/superior tone and accusing her of eshveh etc... We have a long way to go...

IRANdokht


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