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Sorry got Sasha and Rosie mixed

Sorry got Sasha and Rosie mixed

News Flash: Anonymouse :o)

 Are you feeling okay? This is my first posted comment on this thread and yet you are replying to me in your last posted comment.

 Anonymouse: "Sasha the whole humanity should be ashamed of stoning."

I did not accuse you of anything. By the way Rosie T. and Sasha are two very different women. Remember I am the Latina. We also uploaded our pictures. I don't think it gets any more clearer than that.

Natalia Nadia

REPLY : MOAMMA CHO::::::::::::::::::

100 years ago? wrong! I exactly remember, it was about 1956 as in an american city in a highschool. in the morning as the students came to school they had to look on a Bleck schoolboy HANGING on the Schoolentrance. And CU CLUX CLAN is still active in the "Motherland" of democracy. No need to mention what is happend to this mother in all the time as europian pirates " discoverd " America bevore more than 500 years ago. Lets forget all about that. The true democracy one can find in IRI. as in the beginning of 80s a letter from an american farmer, they called him President carter, arrived in terhan it was read in radio. In order all the nation should know what he wants and why he writes. Now they ( the iranians living in Iran as only Iranians ) plan to publish the talks of mr. NMussavian with strangers. also a strong sighn of real democracy.
Greeting.

Moamma cho hal gasht assan shavad

Sasha the whole humanity should be ashamed of stoning. Why should "I" be ashamed?! Those who do it and support it should be ashamed. I don't support stoning or public hangings. Is this about "you are either with us or against us"?

Just less than 100 years ago didn't they burn and lynch blacks legally right here in the good ol USA?

What I mean by us not being ashamed of Mullahs is the reference to some people converting to Christianity just to say they are not muslim. They won't practice Christianity either, just another "looking good" accessory.

I remember during Shah there were so many jokes about "stinking" mullahs and good blonde priests that they are so civilized and if we were Christians we would smell better! Of course mullahs have done plenty bad and it is not hard to criticize them. Not hard at all, especially in US or Europe. They deserve it of course. We were rasied as Muslims and had religious studies during Shah (Talimat-e dini). Now because of IRI and Bin laden there is a rush to denounce Islam, as if it is a sign of being civilized. They used to call it being "westernized". That's the part that is shameful to me, denouncing your own values and accepting the advertisments on television.
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As far as Shah should have done this or that and the other thing and gave more freedoms and allowed books to be published and "exposed", if he did those he wouldn't be Shah. If Shah didn't do what he did, people wouldn't write what they wrote! Moama cho hal gasht assan shavad!

Mouse / Images

Mouse, you wrote:

"We shouldn't be ashamed to have Islam as our religion and have mullahs as our religious leaders,  What's the difference between them and the TV Televangelists in suits?!! We should be able to laugh at both, they are the same! "

 You should be ashamed.  They hang children from cranes in public squares and stone women. In stoning the stones are carefully chosen so as not to be too large; that would kill the person too quickly.  You should be ashamed and appalled and alarmed.   I'm ashamed of the televangelists and they don't hang children from cranes, but they do indirectly cause bombings of children in foreign countries.

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Anyway, I always love the memorabilia that Darius posts. It's gorgeous, just gorgeous. You know, if he were say an American continually posting pcitures of the Kennedy era, or something like that, it would be...well...wierd...but you're dealing with a situation where there was such a violent and artificial rupture with history, and it's all so out of balance....I think it's important to keep these images alive until some kind of synthesis has been achieved, some kind of...balance.  You can't just let it go.It's like...having a seesaw...with only one person on it.  Once there's a democracy, then perhaps the images won't be so necessary.  But right now I think they are. And they have to be thought about, and scrutinized. You can't let these images go any more than you can make Khomeini's grave into a public toilet ...as some bloggers have advocated.

Thans, KA-divar.

The Monarchy is dead and gone, good riddance!

The Monarchy that you worshipped is dead and gone, however God was-is-will be and will never die. That is the difference between a materialist who only thinks pictures and statues are anything but dust in the wind. I was born a Noble, but now I work like anybody else in America. Iran is now what it should have been before they installed the Shah. The white revolution (British colonization) was the nail in the coffin for the Shah. He destroyed us Nobles to weaken resistance to foreigners, however he did not notice that he was a Pharoah on a Pyramid without foundations. The foundations of every King/Shah is a formula. This formula is King on top, Nobles and Clerics on sides with Military on bottom and the people under the military. This is the true nature of feudalism. If the monarchy was to return, I as a Noble would have all the dahati rayats shining my boots as they should be instead of sending their sons and daughters to college to become doctors and lawyers. The Islamic Republic, if we like it or not has produced an equality in Iranian culture. The last time I went to visit Iran, I saw the children of my servants driving Mercedes and helping the sick or fighting in court as lawyers when I accompanied my family for a land dispute. When are Iranian expats going to wake up and see that they are what Iran didn't want? They didn't want us Nobles, Elites, Generals, etc. The Mullah's have given them something we did not. A chance to be something other than a rayat. Don't hate the message because of the messenger. I am only giving you this message. I don't mean to hurt anybodies feelings, but accepting the truth is necessary. While the Shah was celebrating 2500 years of Shahanshahi, the poor of Iran starved.

Re: The problem with the Shah....

The problem with the Shah was that his regime did not have a propoganda machine like the one in IRI, USA, UK, Israel, communist countries, and so on.

The regime was like a punching bag just absorbing punches and fantastic anti-regime lies. Khomeini's books were banned. Dr. Shariatis books were banned. Jebheyel melli's craps were banned.

It should have been the opposite. Khomeinis Tozihol masael and other books should have been ridiculed on TV and Radio day and night. Dr. Shariatis safsateh should have been exposed. The Islamist/leftist lies made against the regime should have been exposed.

The regime wouldn't even use its own accomplishments as propoganda:

the hard earned steel industries despite of the US's oppostion,

the most modern nuclear technology being built without today's fuss,

the most modern oil refineries (the largest refinery in the world before the war was located in Iran),

the petrochemical industries that would increase Iran's revenue by exporting higher value petrochemical products instead of just cheap oil,

the building of the largest cooper super industrial complex (sanaye'e mese sar cheshmeh),

the ship building industry (sanaye'e kashti saazie bandar abaas) that would allow Iran not to pay a damn penny for foregin oil tankers,

of 12.5 million school age (grade 1-12) children, 12 million of them being in school with "taghzieh raayegan" for ALL of them and EVERY DAY, even in the fartherst rural areas,

the best and most equipped university in Asia in par with MIT(daneshgahe sanatie aryamehr dar esfehan) with a capacity of 60,000 students and with its own custom built student city (shahrake aryamehr), and operational by the year 1981,

50,000 students being educated in the best American universities, and over 20,000 in Europe, and most of them with the government's free financial aid (bourse), AND ALL OF THEM GOING BACK TO IRAN,

A deterring military might designed for and capable of single handedly holding back a full scale conventional Soviet attack on Iran for more than several months and until Nato's reinforcements arrive, let alone to deter little Sadam and other nobodies.

These are only some of the projects that started in the late 60s when Iran's oil revenues started to kick in, some were already completed, and the rest would be completed and operational by the early 80s. This is how our oil money was being spent. And after the mid 80's, our progress would have continued for another 20 years on top of these. Just go figure where we would have been today.

Why did I have to learn most of these AFTER the revolution? Why all I heard was the anti-regime propoganda, day and night, 24/7, until I and the rest of us were finally fooled?

Today most of us Iranians want the mullahs punished for their crime. We all hate MEK. But these bastards who wanted and did destroy our country were the very same people who were in Savak's prison.

I wish they all had rotted in there.

Job... Job... Job....

Aghaajoon to vaastaa on var-e joe ... man vaa meestam een var joe.... foash beddeh.... foosh bestoon... kotshalavaar daseee see sad toman...

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Etable: Eat, Ate, Eaten

Balaam jaan een konaaa ke khordanee ast...

To all Bacheh Akhoonds/Bacheh Mozalef

Just remember what kind of a treatment Saddam and his sons received from the Americans!? All Akhoonds and Bacheh Akhoonds will receive the same kind of treatment.

Visa

Abol Joon een harfha ro vellesh koon ... belakharreh behesh visaa dadand ya na ba-az een hammeh mo-ayenneh

weeds

Claim
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Child
After
Child
Let them
Scatter
Like
Weeds
Across
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Globe
And when
One of them become somebody of importance
Suddenly the entire kinship go to claim him.
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Professor Danesh
Copyright ©2007 ProfessorDanesh

CK What are you talking about ?

Whats wrong with Shoreoders excellent photo essay ?

//iranian.com/Abadan/2007/April/1958/34.html

I suppose you think that one can turn a hot and dry desert area into an Oasis overnight ? This was also in the 50's and The White Revolution of the Shah started only in the 60's.

The mullah's turned the same place into War Ridden Marshes instead without the help of the Americans.

Dary Variham hady dareh ! Use more imagination or rather proof to make your points. This photo essay only proves that the Americans were bringing Jobs and social progress to a country that was not even an American State for that matter.

Do you see SAVAKI's arresting people here or torturing them ? If you do post it cause I don't really see the point your trying to make ?

I can find you such pictures and video's here is one:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8u2UKWCHtM

Or Here a Swiss-French documentary on the Shah's Regime and the opposition to the Shah ( Future Revolutionaries) :

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=buAL0sed1uc

Or Golesorkhi whose trial was public ( He probably did not deserve being executed but he would have probably ended up becoming like the Mujahedin Khalg):

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD5c7g8tYPU&feature=related 

he was very brave but nevertheless his ideas were implemented by the MKO and the Mullahs when they took power and in turn took revenge by executing all the Top Brass Military by the likes of Mr. Green Card Ibrahim Yazdi :

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuP-F9Jssj0&feature=related

Just remember that the same hypiie guys ( studying in one of the most expensivve countries in Europe Like Switzerland and with which financial help I wonder ?) did the same to Iranians after the Revolution but by growing a beard and shouting Long Live the Mostazaf down with the Taghoutis.

The Shah in the interview above does not deny that such excesses were commited. He did not approve them but Iran was not like a Western Democracy where everything was transparent.

Tyranical behavior unfortunately was and continues to be a very Iranian mindset since real Democracy was never truly established in Iran not even during the short Mossadegh premiership which was more about defending Iran's Oil interests and kicking the British out than about establishing True Democracy.

Which country in the Middle East apart from Israel was or is a Democracy from an Institutional point of view ? and even Israel trained the SAVAK so why were people including the Israelis seeing the Shah and Iran as the Most corrupt and totalitarian regime in the Middle East not to say the World ??

Now they all regret it. Its all about the Oil and Arm deals not concern for Human Rights.

Best,

D

Thank you Darius (Again)

DK,

Once again, you have provided a glimpse of how things used to be. Not on a political or governmental level, but on a purely social level. A look back to a better time, not just in Iran, but in the world in general.

Sadly, as has been the case with so many of your contributions, there is once again words of hostility from people who can't see past their blind rage against the monarchy.

What's even more difficult to understand is that most of these people were never even "victims" of the monarchy or SAVAK, but go on incessantly as though they were hung by their toenails in Evin from birth until February of 1979.

As long as this mentality exists, our nation will never move forward.

just one of the bad ones,

just one of the bad ones, there are more...

//iranian.com/Abadan/2007/April/1958/34.h...
Let's look at it from both sides.
Of course there were good things, but there were also still a lot of bad too.
Let's just be realistic!
We are not comparing NOW to THEN.
(As said before there is no comparison)
Just let's not make oursleves believe all was fine and dandy and that we lived in heaven- on-earth, as some shahi's put it.

Was Leili a man or a woman?

Was Leili a man or a woman? I forgot.

Az mast ke bar mast

Bush = Leader of the US

Khamenei = Leader of I.R Iran

We get what we deserve.

Shah was waaaay to good for us, as saremoonam ZIYAD bood. Ma Irani ha mellate aghab oftadei hastim.

Thanks

Thanks D.K .
the era that has been gone but not forgotten. Don't get discourgaed by bunch of oghdeyee people who have nothing else but to constantly say rubbish about pahalavi dynasty. The father and son did so much for our country, what did you idiots ever did for our country?

These are GOOD bad parts!

So post some pictory like these. Some new ones, in the new iranian.com format. I'm waiting and will look for them! Now I won't care what they say about you, you're an alright guy!

I agree with anonymouse as

I agree with anonymouse as far as showing both the good and the bad of the Pahlavi era goes, you do always portray it as "behesht barin" back then!
Never a word of the numerous shortcomings and more...
...but as for what's going on now I'd rather not even make the comparison.
There is no comparison!

The Bad Parts ...Here you Are :

Yes I have whenever I have come across them. Here are a few :

//iranian.com/Pictory/hr.html 

//iranian.com/Pictory/2003/March/pins1.html

//iranian.com/Pictory/2003/April/pent.html 

//iranian.com/Pictory/2002/November/punish.html

//iranian.com/Pictory/2003/March/pins2.html

There are more if you look throughout the Iranian.com pictory section. Some are sent by others.

Best,

D

Dariush-jAn, Thank you

Dariush-jAn,

Thank you and keep up your good work in letting us of the "burnt generation" have the chance to review these photos. Do not let "small dictators" try to silence you or the good work that you do.

Bedaaneem, Beandeesheem, Bepaakheezeem!
Beedari, Paaydari, Peeroozi!

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What about the bad parts?

There is nothing wrong with knowing history, like you mention, the French, British, Russians and the others. But they don't forget about the bad parts, the slavery, the abuses and other exploitations. When you keep posting these photos for "younger" generations, they see it as an absolute and living in the west they think how "fashionable" it must have been and gasp for days like those. Have you ever published something about the bad parts? These photos are nostalgic and ok to see and remember. But out of context they tend to ask the readers to forget about the current history. The other day you had something about Omar Sharif accepting to play for an Iranian movie. You seemed reluctant to say some good things, maybe because you thought saying good would mean approving IRI. Anyway, I do enjoy your postings, but I think you can pay a little attention to the art and Cinema in Iran today. In Iran, not in diaspora, although that is good too. We shouldn't be ashamed to have Islam as our religion and have mullahs as our religious leaders. What's the difference between them and the TV Televangelists in suits?!! We should be able to laugh at both, they are the same! It's not good to live exclusively in the past. That's all.

I am Awake ;0)

This material is part of our Collective Memory and deserves to be published regardless of what your opinion is.

There is no need to be afraid of the past so then why refuse to look at it, unless you have a personal grudge against the Pahlavi's whose reign lasted 50 years and therefore deserves attention from a cultural, social and historical perspective.

Do you think the Russians don't look at their history during the Tzars or the French on Marie Antoinette and King Louis or Napoleon ?  Does that turn them immediately into Pro Monarchy or Pro Empire citizens. I think Not.

Also Why are there so many movies being made on them ?

Iranians are the only stubborn ones to have a radical vierws towards the past be it for or against the Pahlavi's which is SOOOOOOOOOooooooo Ridiculous and Childish.

You cannot Wipe History Nor will the clock move backwards, unless you seek the Restoration of the Monarchy in one way or another, which is not my case ( Even if I would not be against the idea if it does occur under a democratic form but I am not certain that will happen in a near future).

Also comparing the Pahlavi's to Hitler or Stalin is truly ridiculous. Iran was not a democratic state but it was not a Totalitarian State. No serious historian can take such a comment seriously. Totalitarian States are precisely Imperialistic in wanting to propagate an ideology and conquer new territories and subjugate other nations and peoples. THIS WAS NOT the case of the Shah's regime which maintained Iran's territorial integrity and peace at its frontiers. Other than the taking over of the small Islands in the Middle East very much like the British did with the Falklands, Iran had no particularly serious ambitions in conquering new land, the Shah's only ambition was Independance and bringing Iran into the 20th Century. He made mistakes and serious ones in the Process including by crushing and imprisoning some political opponents but the state of political repression is in no way the same as what Iran has goen through under the current Islamic Republic of Iran and the Revolutionary Repression that followed the fall of the Monarchy.

Whatever your opinion, the younger generation has the right to learn from the past. Unless I have a personal statement to make in Regard to the Monarchy as a political and Historical legacy, I do not comment on the photos except through a clear description on what they are or when and where they were published. That is called documentarian work.

Thank you for your interest

And Stay Tuned,

Warm Regards,

Darius

Closing the Deal

The Deal is closed now.

Locked and sealed

Darius Kadivar is an aristocrat

Darius Kadivar is an aristocrat. His interest in going back to aristocracy is so that French people wouldn't call him a stinking Iranian. Once Shah gets back to power he'll be smelling like Aramis again!

Darious wake up dadash!

These pictures belong to history now. As much as Hitler's and Stalin's did!

Do you really think you can bring this dead horse back to life?!

Don't know who you are and what were you doing
when shah was torturing Iranains but you are wasting your breaths pal. Give it up!

....and no I am not pro mullas.

Daruish Thanks a lot. Please

Daruish

Thanks a lot. Please keep sending these good stuff.

Mardakeh bi tarbiateh bi pedar madar

Oon haroom zadeyi keh esmesho gozashteh GHAZVINI:

Ono be babayeh pofiozet begoo, dayous. Dahaneto bayad khoord kard, madar sag. Bi adab, vaghti rajeh be shahzadeh harf mizani yadet basheh keh babayeh pofoizet nokaresh ham nist.

Tof be ghabreh ajdadeh bi sharafet ba in har zadanet.

Zendeh bad yad va khateryeh shahanshah Aryameh mohamad reza shaheh pahlavi. Omid varam be koorieh cheshmeh komonist ha va akhoodehayeh kasifeh palid shahzadeh va oliahazrat farah pahlavi hamisheh salamat va shad bashand.

Ta koor shavad har ankeh natvanad did

Dorood Bar Khandane Pahlavi

God bless His Imperial Majesty Reza Shah the Great for laying the foundations of modern Iran and dragging the country out of 1400 years of death, destruction, disease and backwardedness.

God bless His Imperial Majesty Shahanshah Aryamehr for continuing in his Fathers footsteps - modernizing and leading the country towards a brighter future.

God bless Her Imperial Majesty Shahbanou Farah Pahlavi for all her tireless work for Iranian women, the health and arts sectors.

And God bless His Imperial Majesty Reza Shah II the King de jure of Iran and in him Iran's hope for a better future.

Bedaaneem, Beandeesheem, Bepaakheezeem!
Beedari, Paaydari, Peeroozi!

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