TREASURE

The Koorosh cylinder was found in Babel, Iraq.

It never belonged to
Iran and Iranians in the first place. It was meant for Babelians and
those are the true owners of this object.

آقای فرهمند

بگذارید ایرانیان به ایرانی‌ بودن افتخار کنند.

Mr. ASS abad

You should be proud of your Persian history. Especially, Cyrus the great and his contribution to the human right "the world's first charter of human rights".

Look at Jews, they would consider Cyrus as one of their profits.

Reality bites, you are absolutely right!

check out this Persian skit:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBJtp7ieRqs

Typical IRI supporter mentality on display!

by asadabad on Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:56 PM PDT

In 5 years, historians will probably discover that the "cyrus cylinder" was part of an ancient Persian toilet.

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The Cyrus Cylinder is widely considered as "the world's first charter of human rights", yet this is how asadabad describes it; "part of a toilet".

He may claim he is being tongue in cheek with this comment, but the contempt and hatred asadabad, and many other supporters of the IRI like him, have for Iran's history, heritage and national identity should be pretty obvious for all, but the most dense of people, to see. And it's telling how asadabad equates the love for one's heritage and national identity with racism!

Anyway asadabad, it's interesting how your president has got his enormous nose all over this piece of toilet, sniffing it for all it's worth in his desparate attempt to attain some positive publicity, is it not?

bijan

I'm not anti-Persian.  I'm only anti-racial supremacist.  Am I not allowed to poke fun at that?  Besides, don't you think that chauvinism is an ugly thing?  If I were to go to any of your posts and replace the word "Persian" with the word "White" then you would be a member KKK!

What is it with the suggestive remarks?  Have you read this article?

Article: 'Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal?' by Henry E. Adams, Ph.D., Lester W. Wright, Jr., Ph.D. and Bethany A. Lohr,University of Georgia, in Journal of Abnormal Psychology, Vol. 105, No.3, pp 440-445.

;)

asadabad, stop worshiping persian miniature! Remove your avatar!

If you are so much anti persian, why are you using a persian avatar? You really are showing what your caliber and cultural background is (defintely not persian). Definitely U are jealous of OUR love and pride for our ancestory, not yours (Changiz khan)! 

asad, that couldn't be a toilet. If you look at it closely you'll see that it is more like........     I think, you were hoping to be able to put it in your mouth!  obama

I like picture #43 the most!

I like picture #43 the most!

respect a broad spectrum of

respect a broad spectrum of opinions as long as Iran's national interests are not at sake

Don't you just feel so blessed that our national and security interests are at the hands of intellectual giants and politically savvy individuals such as NF and AN. I'm overjoyed.

Why do the Islamist fundamentalist like NF and AN think they have a monopoly on knowing what's good for Iran's national interest?  Is it because the Islamists fundamentalist think Iran is their personal and private property?

We may need to back up AN

by supporting AN on his recent recognition of Cyrus the great, we may be able to create a crack between him and others who don't even recognize Iranian history before Islam.

Please don't wake up we have many problem as it is

Mr president, Keep looking at it, May your humanity awaken.

??? أخمينيون

Check this out:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_empire

After the page opens click the Arabic language...

Striking similarities!!

Now, the time has come to...

go and fetch Kourosh's head from the Massagetae...

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomyris  

Kourosh...

To bekhaab joonam.. einhaa hessaabi terekmoon zadand!

No Fear

"Our Islam is very unique since we are the only islamic nation that "changed" Islam to address our identity. "

By your admission "changing islam" is a bid'aah (innovation) according to fiqh. And your innovation of wilayat faiqh has earned Taak'feer in most of the muslim world and labeled as faasegh's to tradionalist shias in najaf.  This change in Islam has brought ruin to our nation and caused hundreds of thousands to leave islam.  -your aymee tahireen khomeini salawatullahu alaaay has alot to answer for in baarzakh !

DISGRACE !!!

Ahmadinejad and the rest of these Mullah Feet Kisser's dont deserve to even look at the Cyrus Cylinder. They are blind to the words of the cylinder. Cyrus Cylinder speaks to human beings. These fanatics are ANIMALS !!!!!  The cylinder should have stayed in England till the 13th Imam Khamenei and his cult followers leave iran.

stop worshipping your ancestors

In 5 years, historians will probably discover that the "cyrus cylinder" was part of an ancient Persian toilet.

:D

Yes they need the Cylinder in Iran..

 Because they need to READ IT..

Divaneh,

I don't question anyones intelligence. Everybody is entitled to their level of understanding Iran's politics and i can respect a broad spectrum of opinions as long as Iran's national interests are not at sake.

Mashaie or Ahmadinejad are doing their job, thats all. An akhound place is not in the administration. They are respected in their respected domain. So, are nationalists as well. Hopefully by time we can include more opinions involved. Good actions should be supported to display people's willingness to an idea. This is reform.

They finally recognized: IRI cannot survive w/o Persian heritage

They couldn't deny our heritage. This is in fact a big defeat for IRI. They tried to shove our heads saying that we only needed islam and forget about our proud persian heritage. Now, they finally have realized that (at least publicly - ma row khar konan) they must embrace our history.

This is indeed a big victory for all those (all of us) Iranian lovers. Yes, you can be a moslem and love iran as well. For 1300 years Iran has survived by embracing both Islam and Persian culture and history, not one without the other. At least they tried, but finally they failed. They know to keep their power, they had no choice!

"IRI, go back to sleep, since we are awake! we'll take care of the arab mentality." His rashti advisor told him to do so.

I am going soon home making sure i do see it and get people's opinions.

ZENDEH BAAD IRAN! Obama

“The Past Unveiled” Show Series, Fall 3000!!!

Pre 1979 Savak’s Classified Files, The E-Mom K’s CIA Connections, No Trials Executions, CIA’s Planned Hostage Crisis, Iran-Iraq War Secrets, 1965 Mass Executions, The E-Mom K’s Suicide, The Second E-Mom K’s Fraudulent Selection, Rafsanjani’s Mafia, Chain Executions of Foroohar Family & Others, The Reformer K’s popular election, The Reformer K’s Public Cry after 8 years, Caspian Sea Agreement with Russian’s Secrets, AN’s Forced Championship, AN’s Second Election’s Fraud, IRI Prisons’ Torture/Killings, New Iranian Type Islam, Nuclear Stand Off/On, Israel’s Hidden Hands in IRI affairs, and many may more exciting episodes to come.

PS: Let’s not fool ourselves with the Cyrus’s Cylinder. THAT IS HISTORY. Just for a moment imagine the rectal use of such cylinders as torture’s tools inside Kahrizak’s Prison & elsewhere!!! We all will be gone before Cyrus’s Return to conquer IRI’s men. Guaranteed.

Don't try it No Fear

You are trying to spin this and that is an insult to my intelligence. What is this new creature Iranian Islam that you keep going on about? If that is Shia, then please read my comments again. Islam cannot keep that country together. Shiism will give ammunition to the separatist movements in the Sunni border areas. That is why there is no solution but nationalism based on our pre-Islamic history. Now if Mashaie wants to call it Iranian Islam to make it more acceptable to some akhonds, he can do, but don't bring us to the level of those akhonds.

With nuclear standoff we still have to wait and see. Please consider the cost of this white elephant alongside the opportunity cost of it and you will see that we could have mastered many other more essential technologies at a lesser cost.

Open unfair trials are not a sign of openness, they are to make examples and frighten the others. If that was so, then the televised trial of Khosro Golsorkhi in the Shah's time was even a stronger case of reform. As I said, shifting power is not reform, but making the courts independent and appointing some professional judges who understand law would be a sign of reform.

Shahzadeye Royayeh Man Shayad Toeyee ..

Shahzadeye Gheseye Man

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8efXTQAPNYU&feature=related

LOL

Divaneh,

The Islam as we know it in Iran differs from Islam anywhere else in the world. Our Islam is very unique since we are the only islamic nation that "changed" Islam to address our identity. This is what Mashaie has been saying. You can not define Islam without defining Iran. Ofcourse, in Iran, our version of Islam is the correct one based on our persian heritage.

In regards to the nuclear standoff, let the results speak for themselves. The country was behind 50 years before Ahmadinejad, for policies that lacked strong determination to fix old problems.

When i see journalists going to jail but their trail is open to public and media ,and we get to know their names, this is a huge step forward and far from your  " re balancing the power " arguement. Even a person who is accused of " mohaarebeh " is set free on bail money. I remember a time when journalists and activists were decapitated. They couldn't even have a name on their tombstone let alone having it printed on the first page of national newspapers.

This is real and tangible reform. Its not perfect yet, but it was never meant to be as fast as turning on a switch light either.

The IRI Groupies are staying "on message"

The latest ideological claptrap of the IRI is "nationalistic" in flavor, and therefore its West-residing Groupies are merely staying "on message" with their online postings. You have to marvel at the slavish devotion of these folks to such a tinpot regime. Any day now, AN may replace his Arafat-inspired kaffiyeh for one of those Cyrus-era hats. Cheers    :-)

No Fear

My argument is not based on demise of Islam. I am quite aware of the political value of Islam in that area and think a re-packaged Islam as Bahmani highlighted recently may be the answer. I however argued that it can not be used for nation building because it makes us like everyone else around us. Perhaps if our neighbours were not Muslims, Islam could be a force for national unity but now it is not.

The nuclear stand off may not be in our best interest. Any war resulting from AN careless policies could slaughter our nation and set the country back 50 years.

With respect to reform, just remember that it cannot be pushed. In a country that Journalists end up in jail for speaking their minds and even lawyers are detained for defending their clients, talking of real reform is just ridiculous. Re-balancing the power, yes; Reform, no.

NF: LOL Talk about being

NF: LOL

Talk about being an emotional wreck??? You're only fooling yourself, NF.

As long as ignorance is your master, there will be no peace for you or your ilk. Now, go watch some more pressTv.

NP and the other islamists

It is good that the cylinder is in Iran, but please please spare us the rhetoric about the islamists being pro-Iran.  All of them every single one to a man from khomeini and his criminal band at the beginning of Iran's nightmare to Ahmaghi , his mentor Timsah-Yazdi and the new generation of fanatic islamist criminals say Islam first then Iran.  

The islamists have jumped on the nationalist bandwagon cos they think it might help them survive a bit longer.  Iranian people don't want an islamist government FULL STOP 

The islamists may be Iranian but they are also vatan foroush traitors who are more concerned about Palestine and anyone can see that.   

And since all the islamists have a habit of repeating the same old nonsense - I'll do likewise with my earlier comment to NP on the Cyrus the Basiji thread:

I wish the akhoonds and hezbollahis had followed your advice and left the revolutionary islam to al-qaeda, muslim brotherhood and the rest of the fanatic arab muslims.

But no they decided to stuff that freak show down the throats of innocent Iranians who have suffered for 31 years as a result.

But soon the hezbollahis can go hide in the Afghan mountains with their al-Qaeda buddies or in Najaf with their extremist Iraqi "brothers"  when the Iranian people get rid of them. 

Divaneh,

Your arguement is based on the gradual demise of Islam in Iran and the need for Nationalism for our unity. I agree with the second part of your arguement. But i also like to add another outlook.

Islam has been the domain of clergies who used it with authority both as a social and political tool. A different interpretation of Islam is needed which removes a certain class from having the absolute and final say on political matters. This phase has been started in Iran for awhile now.

The nationalistic attributes of our government is more evident in its handling of our nuclear standoff than its respect towards an ancient cylinder. Nevertheless, this gesture was another taboo breaking event which marginalizes the same religious ruling class by clearly displaying religion and nationalism goes hand in hand.

The implication of advocating such an idea is huge. This would definitely weaken the power grip of religious entities, while paving the way for more nationalistic ideas to flourish.

This is nothing new and the signs were all over if you followed the news with an open mind. The systematical push towards real reforms is a reality in Iran now. Not a hollow promise.

Why AN needs Cyrus?

For variety of reasons including the populism as highlighted by Vildemose, but most of all for the sake of keeping Iran in one piece as also pointed by Samsam (good to see you here).

Islam simply cannot keep Iran in one piece and folks like Mashai have realised this and eventually got it into AN's head. If an Azari wants to say Abra Cadabra five times a day, he can happily do so along with other Azari or Turkish speaking crowd. If a Balouch wants to starve 30 days a year, she can do it along with other Balouch over the border. Islam does not lend itself to nation building and in fact has the opposite effect of making all Muslim nations the same. That is why there is now so much attention to nationalism. I agree with Samsam that they have no choice but to use it, but it will be to their detriment.

Dear Samsam, good to see you here. You should give us the pleasure more often.