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shah parast

shah prast, cultured Iranians do not insult one another. the worst government in the world is not the us government, it is Iranian government hands down. please be objective if you are to have an honest discourse with yours truly. take a deep breath. you are an Iranian, act like one.

To: Anonymous234 (re: How fortunate ....)

How about you change your name to "ass hole" or some such Western name? If you are after pure Iranian name, we can call you "koskhol".

Shahanshah Araygooz
(from underground in Egypt)

This USA is the fruit of our own seed

America is not rigid and backward Islam, Bible, or Ten Commandments. It is an idea with engine having self cleaning and self redefining operandi. The forces of Good and evil here in US or dark and light in Iran always naturally exist. With system in place in USA (Bill of Rights) forces of good and light can and will always overcome evil and darkness in this system. USA is the only hope for mankind. Iranians were the first people who introduced “Bill of Rights” concept.

Iranian DNA and knowledge traveled to America long ago; it is evolution. So, this USA is the fruit of our own seed. Love it and respect it. Long live Derafsheh Kaviani.

How fortunate for you and your arabzadeh named idiots!!!

I don't know a single person in my family named ali, hussein, hassan or shit or crap or any other Arab name! You can change your name if you have an arabic name - it is a choice!

To: Kheradmand (re: lady Liberty can ....)

Honey,
You did not get the point. Go back to elementary school. In a few years may be you will get it. In summary, the point was not what America was, the point is what it has become . No one has any doubt that this nation became the greatest nation on the face of earth with that freedom and other thoughtful laws. The point is how and why isn't the Lady Liberty saving it today from its worst government on the face of earth? May be this is too much for your brain. Then forget it.

S . P.

Lady Liberty can and has created the most prosperous nation

Shah Parast, an nation is the sum of its people and their vales and American in 200 years have made their nations the richest and happiest in the world. Thanks to liberty and freedom.. that is why my friends hundreds of millions if not billions would leave their countries if they could to come to USA. Iran would empty in few days. I invite you to think. I can not do your thinking for you. Long live derafsheh kaviani

IF LADY LIBERTY COULD ......

If she could free anyone, American people would be first on the list to be freed from an ignorant and hated government.

Shah Parast

The fight of Derafsheh kavain was magnificent.........I saw it

ON OCT 15 2007 AT 2:15 NEW YORK TIME I WAS SITTING AT A RESTAURANT HAVING LUNCH WHEN I LOOKED UP TO THE SKY AND TO MY AMAZEMENT I SAW THE DERAFSHEH KAVIAN WITH A BANNER SAYING (FREE IRAN). IMMEDIATELY I THOUGHT OF FERDOSI AND KAVEH-E AHANGAR, WHAT A THOGHT, I COULD NOT BELIVE THAT I WAS THING ABOUT THE SHAHNAME IN MANHATTAN. I CALLED MY BOSS AND TOLD HIME I WAS GOING TO BE LATE FOR WORK SINCE I SAW THE DERAFSH CERCLING THE STATUE OF LIBERTYAND PEOPLE WERE WALKING TO THE WATERS EDGE. IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE SIGHT AND PEOPLE WERE TAKING PHOTOS AND THREE HELICOPTERS WHERE CIRCLING THE DERAFSH. WHAT A SIGHT. I HOPE THAT YOU COULD HAVE ALL BE THERE. THANK YOU TO THE TRUE IRANIANS THAT PULLED IT OFF. I FELT PROUD TO BE IRANAIN.

Derafsheh Kaviani was a salute to Majed Kavousifar va va va...

Dorood bar hame-e jaan bakhtegan raah-e azadi Iran zamin. Brafrashteh baad, Derafsheh Kaviani

Open arms theory!

Kamangir jan,


Thank you for your reply to my previous post (I wish ProudIranian had the guts to reply to it).


Anyway, let's get something straight: I by no means defend the Arab invasion of Iran or regard it as a good thing. I was simply quoting what some historians seem to hold valid. I was not there to witness the events and therefore am not sure what the absolute truth is. I am sure many Iranians fought the invasion with all their might and there were also some Iranians who welcomed their invaders. We can argue this point forever but my original point was that you can not hate a race for what their ancestors did 1400 years ago. If that is the case then many people should hate Iranians since they too invaded many countries when the Persian empire was expanding. Or do you think that those people welcomed the Persian invaders with "open arms"?


Just for your information I must add that I am old enough not to have the fortune and the privilege of learning my history lessons under the influence of the IRI. I left Iran before the revolution and have not been back since.


As for history books written by Iranians, I am a bit uncomfortable with it and it is hard for me to believe an Iranian writing about the history of his country of birth can be completely objective. I might be wrong but that is how I feel.


We can debate history or ways of liberating our homeland but we do not need to insult anybody in the process. Because the fact of the matter is that whatever we say here will not carry much weight and makes no difference to what happens in Iran or any where else. But we might, hopefully, learn a thing or two from these discussions.


Shad bashid

It is backward Islam not Arabs

The Arabs are also victims of backward Islam religion. Arabs also want to be free from this dark and monstrous religion/cult. There is one difference here between Arabs and Iranians regarding Islam. Arabs can understand all garbage in Quran while Iranians do not understand Arabic.

Quran is more holy in non-Arab countries just because people do not understand all trash stories in Quran.

Iranians and Arabs are both have common obstacle on their path to open society and that is backward Islam.

Freedom for Ahwazis!

Kamangir, I agree completely. Ahwaz (Khuzestan) is an arab province with arab people that does not belong to Iran. Thank you for supporting the liberation of Ahwazis.

No to the Arabization of Iran

No to the gradual imposition of Arabic language in Iran

No to the distortion of Persian rich and unique history

No to the imposition of Arabic history (kerbala hussain and ali and others included) in Iran

No to the destruction of Iranian national pre-islamic heritage (no to the Sivand Dam)

No to the Islamic Regime, no the Islamo-Fascism.

No to Arabzadegi (Arabization) of Iran

Iran for 'free' and 'civilized' Iranians, regardless of their origin or faith.

Iran for a secular democratic constitution.

Iran for bringing the current criminal government to justice, including their nasty security and intelligence mafia, and all its afiliations. They should face televised trials for every single crime comitted.

Iran for a very deep purge and reconstruction of all its institutions, creating the basis of modern, Iranian, national institutions.

Long Live Drafsh Kaviani and the Iranian  National Identity (where the arabo-muslim subculture does NOT belong)

May God bless Iran

Re: Response to ProudIranian

Dear Parviz

You should be able to prove your point by making specific and accurate references to history books, real historians and real reaserchers. The 'open arms' theory is simply a myth. No nation , no people ever receives an invasion with open arms, we're seeing a good example of that right now.

According to 'tarike tabari' and 'zarrinkoob' as well as the book (az fars ta spanyayae mosalman) written by Ostad Shoaddin Shaffa and other texts written by Ali Mirfetros, as well as other non-Iranian reaserchers, Iranian and Persian people put up a very fierce resistance against the Arabs. Town after town, in some cases they were succesful in pushing the arabs back, specially the brave people of mazandaran and tabarestan. In current khorasan including parts of current afganistan, and tajikistan, the resistance the battles were very bloody, up to a point the arabs sent larg armies to khorasan to subdue the uprisings. Many Persian communities retained their zoroastrian faith at home and as a matter of fact the origins of 'zurkhaneh' or 'varzeshe pahlevani' is to be found in the years following the invasion as the scattered resistance and old military comanders gathered 'hidden from view' and under the excuse of physical excercise, they practcied their military skills. There were a very large numbers of Iranians killed by the arabs, many temples and fire houses and reaserch centers destroyed, up the point some arab themselves raised their concern against the magnitude of the massacres. Many Persian women and young children were taken to Arabia as slaves, including the famous Pirooz (arabs called him abou lo lo) who killed Omar. Iranians such as Babak khorramdin, Sanbad, Yaghoub Leise dafarrid, groups such as 'sorkh jamegan' they all sacrificed their lives so you and I still speak some sort of Persian. Mnay Iranians had to leave since life under the Arabs was unberable, many left for India and some others to Europe (their descendants are the Croatians)  you see my friend, the 'open arm' theory is simply the 'only' answer many Iranian muslims still have to justify the lack of coherence when it comes to an imposed religion.

My question to you is. even if the Persian people durig Sassanids (still a very sofisticated culture) were fed up with their rulers, how on earth would they 'open' their arms to a very different people, a subculture with a unknown language to them. The Arabs destroyed the wonderfull palace of Tysfoon (taghe kasra) and massacred it people and took among many other things the very famous 'baharestan' carpet. Sold it into pieces, Ali himself got a large piece, which was later sold. Iranians knew what the Arabs were up to and knew what they were doing in their path. I'm willing to forward you clear references about the books (not crap written by the mulahs) who seem more interested in thir arab ancestors. At a later stage, Iran was heavily colonozed by many arabic traibes that were relocated from arabia and stablished all over Iran, hence our current problem. I'm willing to refute you claims of 'open arm' theory. Iranians never accepted arab presence, fought against it. Please do not change history to your will, do not pay attention to what the history texts in Iranian schools say (they are written by descendants of Hussain and Ali) they cannot say otherwise. Ostad Shadin Shafa, is one of the most prestigious history teachers at the university of Paris. In order to write his book 'As fars ta spanyaye moslman) he had unique access to very old texts in Spain, access very few people had. Please read real reaserchers and please don't change the history to make the whole thing easier to yourself.

Regards

Response to ProudIranian

I usually try to be civil, courteous and accommodating in my comments on various forums including this one but since you seem to be incapable of doing the same I will bring myself way way down to your level and answer your insults.


You imbecile, can't you just stick to the subject at hand and leave people's mothers and sisters out of it. For somebody to throw insulting comments about other people's loved ones just like that goes to show how much respect you have for your own sister or mother (if you even knew who she was). I hope others on this forum take a position on this issue and help uproot and eradicate similar language usage and behaviour.

This is a place most people come to read/learn/contribute. I personally do not derive pleasure from insulting anybody, on the contrary. But it seems some of the forum user's sole function is to enter these discussions with one aim only, namely to throw the discussion off track and turn into a mud-slinging match. Well, I hope now you are really "proud" of what you achieved. I see where you got your name from. Anybody reading your comment should become sick with revulsion that in the 21st century we still have people who think like you do and see no problem in throwing racist remarks around like candies. Judged by the language and logic you use in your comments I think you befit the "hozeye jahliyeye ghom" mentality much better than I do. All you need is a club in your hand (you probably own one of those).


You seem to be very ignorant of your country's own history. I suggest you do some reading on the subject. I know reading is probably not what you are really good at but you should give it a try. Below is a quotation straight from Wikipedia:


-" Many historians have long offered the idea that Persia, on the verge of the Arab invasion, was a society in decline and decay and thus it embraced the invading Arab armies with open arms."


As with any war, the destruction that comes with it is inevitable. I am sure the Arab army burnt and destroyed many things but my point was that according to many historians most Iranians were fed up with their king and welcomed their conquerers. As I mentioned in one of my earlier responses, I personally think Islam has been one of the biggest obstacles our country has faced in making advancements in many fields.


You might disagree with all of the things I said, that is OK and I have no problems with that. You are more than welcome to state your own point of view but using civilized language and manners.


Making racist remarks about Arabs or anybody else whom you regard as your country's enemy does not make you a patriot but sure makes you a lot of other things which are not so pleasant.

Parviz thinks "most Iranians

Parviz thinks "most Iranians welcomed their Arab conquerers with open arms..."
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Yeah right. The Arabs massacred Iranians, raped their women, enslaved their young, looted their properties, called Iranians "najess", and this idiot still thinks that Iranians welcomed the Arabs with open arms.
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I mean how much more disgusting can you get? It's like me saying to you Parviz that your sister welcomes her rapist with "open arms". Wouldn't you get insulted?
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How much lower can you go Parviz? Or is it that you are brainwashed with the "hozeye jahliyeye ghom" crap?
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The only ones who supported the Arabs were Salmane Farsi and his traitor followers.
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Don't be so racist, Kamangir

The rulers of Iran are Iranian, for good or for bad. Our history is full of cruel tyrants, these people just happen to be the most democratic ones so far. They are not arabs, they are Iranian. AND there is nothing wrong with Arabs, in general. Like everyone else they have good and bad people. 

Iranian Artist has a longer and thicker darafsh

Eat my darafsh LOOL

in Canada 13 year old girl goes and buys a big Mac! You can have any big mac in Canada for $3.

Artist, puts art for sell then people steal it! I give them a hard bone.

Persian girls good in kitchen. Darafsh is a joke started by the new yorker jews to fool you, or they would give their names....

me in search of girls....above 19 but under 20.

Re:RE: Descendants of Arabs, Get out Iran!

According to you, 'every muslim' Iranian whould have a hard time understanding my comments, however my question to you is:

Are you referring to those who are toturing innocent Iranians and students in their nasty prisons?

Are you including the 'khaharan' who are humiliating, insulting and detaining our women, for their anti-islamic attire/

Are you talking about those who have separated our public trasnport, beaches, and now schools, in male female?

Are you referring to those who preach 'death to america' who brainwash kids with their arabo-muslim crap in schools?

Are you talking about those who on purpose, have decided to take our national Iranian heritage (if not yours mine) under water?

Which muslims are you talking about? Who told you I'm against the average, good muslim Iranian who hasn't done anything to anyone

Do you realize you are not even taking into account those who 'khoone mardome irano too shishe kardan'?

Re: dastet dard nakone KAMNAGIR

Please tell me you're Ahmadonejad's 'hamsaye'. How do you prove you are a real jonoob shahri?  Be har hal alan dige dar 'farang' hasti, arezooye jonoob va bala shahriha.

Fouladvand or "Khaleeband"?!

Not sure if it's prudent to send my time arguing with people who are worshioing "kings"!

Fellow Iranains, gone are the days that people needed a "King"! Humanity has gone through socialsma nd capitalism and trend nowadays is Democracy! No one needs a "Guardian" a "king" or "shah"!

That flag may have some historical value so put it in musium. You are as dumb and out of touch as those zealouts religious folks you are trying to fight.

Take a back seat. Let the educated Iranians who are plenty make plans for the future of Iran. Futureof Iran is with technocrats not some "Bones worshiping" out of date, out of touch folks like you.

Who exactly cameup wih the idea to go around lady liberty? What is that supposed to mean? Why not go around Washington monument or Eifel tower?

Why go around it not just through it? Are you hoping to revive the Sassanid dynesty again? There was a reason bunch of uneducated, bare foot Arabs destroyed your beloved dynesty. IT SUCKED! It was unpopular. What other rituals you have? Do you wworship fire too? YOu remind me of Gaiko commercial!!! A cave man can do it!

If this Lady Liberty could free anyone .....

If this lady libert could free anyone, it would free us Americans from the forces of evil that are governing us now.

its you who is the brainless and can't think

This is the most precious,valuable,oldest flag of of this planet and for your brainless cabbage information i must say that we Lost everything after we lost this FLAG and with it we lost our IDENTITY,i must add that it was The ANJOMANE PADESHAHI IRAN with leadership of FOROOD FOULADVAND who showed DERAFSHE KAVIANI in PARIS for the first time.

anonyomas.... let me give you an education... Attention Taziha

Derafsheh Kaviani is not a fictitious flag, Read the history of and the battle of Qadesieh and you will discover that Derafsheh kaviani was our flag that the Arabs destroyed.. Since the beginning of time all people around the world had flags so as to identify themselves from othere people. I know that it is troubling to you that we have a flag of unity and resistance. sorry there is nothing Jojeh arabhaie(littel Arabs) like you can do about it. You attack this guy who flew Derafsheh kavian for taking our nation for a raid, where it is the mullahs that are taking us for a ride towards the destruction of Iran, criticis them you Bacheh Tazi not a true patriot like this guy.

Help us and help yourself

Free Iran is our crying out loud from bottom of every Iranian's heart.

For Iranians, "Free Iran" banner has two meanings here. First, for "Iraneh Azad" (A Free Iran). Second, requesting from world, help Iran to be free.

For World, the second one “help requested from Iranians” is perceived.

I believe the two wishes are very much valid for Iranians.

I am sure we do not want them through war and destruction and we want the entire world helping us kindly. In becoming a secular and democratic society, we just do not know how to free ourselves without violence and you have been part of problem.

Help us and help yourself

If we have to go back 5000 yrs

to find aflag that unit us that is a pretty "sorry" situation!!

A fictional flag is supposed to free us? Who pulled this stunt? Who is paying for this kinda crap?! Please stop insulting us as a nation. If you pull these kind of nonesense put your own name onit. Like delutional, crack pots!

Now I know you may have had some good intentions but just because you can fly an airplane that does not give you the right to take a whole nation on a ride!!!

Dorood bar Iranian.com

Thank you Iranian.com. long live Iran and true Iranains.Barafrashteh baad derafsheh kaviani daar sarzamieh Ahoora-e.

The message...

I'm sure the majority of Iranians would like to live in a free and democratic society as opposed to what has been inflicted upon them under the IRI. However, the form of acheiving such freedom has not been a point of consent in our society for the past three decades as various groups and organizaions have advocated different paths to this dectination. There have been those who have gone through hardship of enduring prison terms, harrasments, defamation... and yet defend the territorial integrity of the country (e.g. Shirin Ebadi who is subjected to death-threats aimed at her and her family members on daily basis). And yet , in sharp contrast, there are those who would like to ride the tide of foreigners' war drumbeats into their shangri-la.

What is ironic about this stunt is that Derafsh-e Kaviani which is a smybol of the grass-roots movent for freedom to all Iranians is flown in the backdrop of the "statue of liberty" which in contrast is tainted by numerous atrocities against human kind (400 years of slavery, Hiroshima and Nakasaki, Vietnam's serial carpet bombing, and more recently, the campaign of "shock and awe", and Abu Ghraib... It's as if Kaveh Ahangar went beyond Iranian borders to Turan, and adopted their notion of freedom for Iran. This can only be an insult to the DF and the intelligence of the Iranins who spear-head the real struggle for democracy in Iran (i.e. students, journalists, bus drivers, factory workers...). After all they are the true descendents Of the bearer of DF, Kaveh.

dastet dard nakone KAMNAGIR

"I may understand some poor ignorants in the islamic countries and in the jonnob shahr areas of Tehran"
dastet dard nakone Kamangir why do you insult me and ham mahalihamo? would please don't mix us up with those other poor ignorants, on the contrary us jonbe shariha are some of the proudest persians you could ever find. so promise you will not insult your fellow jobe shari persians anymore.

I hope this flag free us all fom anger

I hope this flag free us all fom anger. Iranians are loving, caring, intelligent, peaceful, accepting, happy, and FREE FROM ANGER.

Let's be honest with ourselves, Islam has been very negative in our lives. It has hate and intolerance build into it.

As a private religion, it stays as private religion with respect. But, when it comes in public, Islam must expect challenge, denial, harsh criticisms, hit at its core, and more.

Can Islam be tolerant in public? NO. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, ..... are good examples. In these countries, there are no freedom, democracy, human rights, happiness, women are second class, laws are backward, and hate, bombing, and killing are rampant.

If this flag is for awakening us to our core Iranian traits "Good Thoughts, Good Words, and Good Deeds", I say what not?

We do not want to be religious fanatics. We want to kick hate out of our lives. We want to be happy in Iran without any remorse. We want equality between sexes. We want freedom of press. We want freedom of speech (yes, against Islam, Christianity, Judaism,....).

We want to be Iranian. We want to wear what we wish. We want to freely express ourselves in every area of our lives. Islam is obstacle. Islam has made itself obstacle to us.

Islamists kill Islamists by large numbers. Go Figure

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