Ali P.

Jamshit you are a coward!

Go hide behind your monitor.

You paying for my ticket and hotel? You probably don't have the means to buy tickets to a movie never mind paying for someone's flight tickets and hotel stay. Laf zadan dar ghorbat!

I will not bring myself down to your level and answer your post anymore since all you are is a lumpen who knows nothing but insulting people . I will leave it to those who bother reading these posts to come to their own conclusions.

Wish you were here!

Re: PArviz

I'll be glad to have the misfortune of meeting you personally and have you show me what kind of a first class asshole you are.

Let's make the arrangement. I'll pay for your ticket and your hotel. Contact me throught my email, we'll make the necessary arrangments.

You ARE a first class asshole. You are sitting in the comfort of your foreign home while your countrymen are suffering and you are saying all is for good.

The bad news for those who are suffering is that they live only once. All the "goodies" that you, Mr. First Class Asshole, think will come in the future, may actually never come, and even if it does, 70 million people won't be alive to enjoy it.

But that's ok for you, Mr. First Class Asshole, since you are enjoying your life anyway, the hell with those in Iran, right?

Do you now see why you are First Class Asshole?

To MRX and Jamshid!

Well, thank you for your sobering comments.

Do you actually belive you two are the only people who know what is going on in Iran? The rest of us are blind? Do you think the rest of us live in a world of fantasy? Has it ever occured to you to treat others who might differ with your opinions with respect?

Since when Pahlavi clan became respectable? Do you actually think the passage of time makes people forget? Do you think the savagery of the mullahs makes Shah's savagary less brutal? Why do you think millions of Iranians poured into the streets and shouted death to the Shah? Do you think "the good life given to them by the Pahlavi clan" was too much for them to handle? If you actually blame the Iranian people for the revolution then it just goes to show how detatched from reality you are.

Who would in their right minds endorse mullahs regime and what they have done to Iran. I never said the mullah's regime was good. I blame the mullahs for prolonging the war and causing even further deaths and destruction upon our nation. I blame them for many evil things they have done to Iran and Iranians but their reign has brought good things too. Here are a few examples:

- No matter how you tried to warn people of religion and the importance of separation of religion and state, you would not succeed. But mullah's rule took care of that. They showed them in practice what destruction in can achieve. I personally believe if you asked Iranians whether they wanted Islam to be involved in running their day to day life, a great majority would answer with a resounding NO. Most probably they do not want any thing to do with Islam anymore.

- The rule of mullahs during the past 30 years (very long ones indeed) has disclosed and brought to surface the true colours of many of the groups and organisations that were once regarded as popular and revolutionary. Where are they now? What do people think of them? Do you think the Iranians would fall for their lies as they did for Khomeinis? These groups would not be exposed were it not for the struggle lasting so long.

- Before the revolution people did not know what they wanted. They just thought anything is better than the Shah. Today they are not naive anymore. They will not fall into the same trap again. They know exactly what they want and when the time is right and an alternative is in place then they will surely try to change things for the better.

- They have also learnt that with revolutions come many years of turmoil and instability, deaths and sufferings. So next time they make sure of the outcome and those leading it before they pour into the streets again.

- Now the people know what they can achieve with their solidarity and will. No power on earth, nor Shah with his army nor Khomeini and his Pasdars can stop them.

The example above were just a few of the things that, in my opinion, will ensure a more democratic Iran in the future.

The original issue was whether the revolution was a good thing or not. I am still of the opinion that YES, the Shah had to be kicked out. Am I happy with the way the revolution went? No I am not, I too think the revolution was usurped (the writer of the article used hijacked) by the mullahs. We have paid, and keep paying, a high price as a result of this. We can discuss the revolution and its pros and cons forever, but the truth is that it happened despite what we might think and there is nothing we can do about it. I think this painful process will give our people a better understanding of what they want and how to achieve it.

As for me sitting some where in a foreign country, well you are right but I can assure you that I (and those dear to me) have suffered under this regime but I am proud to say that I have too caused sufferings on this regime and its repressive arms. So stop sounding like a hero because you are not. It is easy calling people imbeciles, cancer, first class asshole and worst than mullahs while hiding behind a computer somewhere but it is a different thing calling people those things to their faces. I wish you had the misfortune of meeting me face to face so that I would show you personally what kind of a first class asshole I am.

Re: PArviz

So you think it was worthed to overthrow the pahlavis? Yes, a lot of oghdeh was relieved. But what about the one million Iranians who died in the useless Iraq war, and who are not alive today? I am not going to include the mothers who are still mourning, the children who became orphan, those who are being, as you are reading this, tortured and hanged. Or those who are living in abject poverty. All so that, while you are living in comfort of a foreign country, something good would eventually come out of it. Yeah right. Perhaps in the next century.

It was EXACTLY people like you who paved the way for khomeini. Your likes are frankly worst than the mullahs. You are a cancer to Iran.

You are a total and complete imbecile. You need to be slapped a few times. What a first class asshole.

Well MR. Parviz,

it's easy to seat down now in west some where having a cup of cappuccino in comfort and safety and say stuff like you just said. I wonder if you had to live in Iran now and deal with repression and poverty every day,  or if you or one of the members of your family were brutalized by the system, prisoned, tortured, killed, raped god knows what you will be still saying these things. Seems like nafas garm az jayeh rahat. And let's say you didn't like the shah. what price is a justification for his removal? total destruction of the country, loss of hundreds of thousends if not million to executions and war, poverty, exile of millions, much much more exactly what?

To KavehP

I do not know how you came to this conclusion, but No, I do not support the overthrow of Saddam by the Americans.

The people of Iraq had no say in it. It was carried out by foreign forces and the result is there for all to see.

To PArviz:

So by that analogy you must support the american overthrow of Sadam, and the 600000 iraqi deaths that followed. because they got rid of a brutal tyrant. and to get democracy you have to go through bloody phases.

right!!!!

I personally do not think

I personally do not think the revolution was a mistake. True, we did not get what we wanted but getting rid of the Pahlavi clan was in my opinion a good enough reason to revolt against the regime.


Yes, it has been very painful and costly but I believe we would come of it a better people and nation.


Most democracies in the world have gone through these phases in their history (revolutions, civil wars, assassinations, terror...) so why should we be different. Who in their right minds can believe that mullahs will remain in power forever? As soon as the Iranians come up with a credible alternative, this regime's days would be numbered.


So, once again, I believe this revolution was not a mistake, it got rid of a corrupt tyrant and brought to power a savage and a murderous bunch. This process (I sincerely hope at least) will help bring about fundamental changes in the way our country is governed and our people treated and start the rooting of truly democratic ways and thinking in all of us.


Democracies are built with blood and sweat, you can not achieve them overnight or through a revolution. Peoples way of thinking, harmful traditions and cultural aspects, decision making solely based on personal benefits and many other things should be eradicated before a stable and flourishing democratic system can be in place.

Re: Anon

Ali P. has a valid point. Reread your own post. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to change your vocabulary.

I agree with Ali. I too used the word "hijack" and "stolen" in reference to the revolution in the past. But I realized that it was only to mend my guilty conscious, since I participated in that revolution. Others who don't have any conscious use these terms to deceive and divert attention.

It is time for all of us to accept that we made a mistake and learn from it, instead of dodging our goof and blaming others. The future will be transfomred by those who accept resonsibiltiy and then do something to make up for their mistakes. In contrast, the future will be only repeated by those who dodge responsibility.

Re: Anon

Another pseudo-intellectual, baalaayeh manbar, telling us we don't know about Iran.
Just answer the freakin' question of the article, participate with an honest opinion, or buzz off!

Good point Ali

That so called "revolution" was never hijacked.
It is what our so called intellectuals (roosh-AN-fekr) prescribed for Iran and people bought it. Now they are paying for it and most of these so called intellectuals do not like to admit the huge mistake they made. And as you have noticed, whenever you mention this mistake, they refer you to "study the history" and wash their hands off.

What?

Someone hijacked your ass? How?

My little Simpleton, before you start your "tafsir siyasi" why don't you at least familiarize yourself with Iran, and its history over the past 100 years. That way, you won't end up MAKING an ass out of yourself, and your ass won't be hijacked either.

Excuses

it's a defence mechanism for most people and it's not just confined to Iranian people. You see taking a responsibility for an action is a hard thing to do. The easiest thing is to blame some one else. these folks bascialy destroyed our country through their action. combination of backwardness, greed, and power got through their head and they fucked up majorly. Now it's a blame time. Hijacked by mullah's, give me a break!