Ali P.

BUT

But they were not scared of an old man or an old mullah, were they. For them getting into new Iranian government was more beneficial. This is one aspect of middle east politics a lot of people miss. israel is no ones friend and this is what you will never agree to. Even shah was not good enough for them. One day you will discover how much involvement they have in Iran.

Have a nice day.

Amir

Honestly, I have my doubts about their active involvement.

I'm not suggesting that Imperial Iran and Israel were the best of friends or closest of allies, but there was a common ground they shared concerning the Arabs.

Give the Israelis at least this much credit. They knew that Khomeini was an enemy of theirs from the beginning, and that facilitating his seizure of power would only spell certain trouble for them.

Irandokht

Irandokht jan: I'm amazed that you're always amazed.

Did you read the book by William Engdhal? They are based on facts not opinions. He provides documents and evidence at every turn; The most thoroughly researched book I have ever read. Just read the reviews on his book at Amazon.com.

You're welcome to dispute "opinions" with your "facts" anytime now. Don't be shy.

I don't completely agree with the author on Iraq either but I'm not going to write him of as you do.

With all due respect, I'm also not going to start a debate or a conversation with you you because frankly I don't like your tone. I apologize if I'm being too blunt.

KN

Good news and bad news.

Good news is at least we agree in that so far.

Now tell me what about israel. Could they be involved? If not why not?

Amir

I think it's safe to say there was involvement on the part of the UK and Soviets as well.

KN

You commented,'other factors involved? Undoubtedly'.

My assumption is it applies to the British and Russians too. Is this correct or not?

Lefty

You are worse than those Jehovah's Witnesses who troll the neighborhood seeking converts.

If you want amusement, go to an arcade.

There are Parliamentary elections (example: UK, People's Republic of China...neither of which are democracies)

There is also election by committee (ex: Hong Kong).

I know what I said. Do you agree or disagree that statement, and why? Again, put up or shut up.

"It's time for you to either

"It's time for you to either put up or shut up, once and for all."

Kaveh this is what I mean when I say your responses are even more amusing. It is like you intentionally want to dig a deeper hole. Stop baba! LOL!

How else can I "put up" that you would accept? I am certainly not "shutting up" as you have seen so far!

Are you saying that I can not understand your vast right wing conspiracy or can not keep up with your vast knowledge?!

Here's what you said in your other comment and you can compare it to what you said in your response here.

"...the electoral process, while far from perfect, works better than any other electoral process in the world."

What other electoral process (not democracy or quasi demoracy or other processes) do you know in the woooooorld?!

IRANdokht

You make a good point about some people calling it "Obama's occupation". I hope that no one will take such a cheap shot.

But will you hold the same opinion if other Middle East countries were to refer to it that way? That possibly certainly exists, don't you think?

Iraq could still be lost, whether under a Republican or Democratic administration. If it were to be lost it would only underscore the tremendous loss of life.

Lefty

It's time for you to either put up or shut up, once and for all.

Who am I blaming? What shortcomings? What in the hell are you talking about? Are you serious about his? Are you sincerely "out there" or are you playing some kind of practical joke?

I ask you this with all sincerity: Are you under some sort of medical supervision?

I never claimed to have a Ph.D., be it real or imaginary. Your statement is a stretch, to say the least. But it's clear to me that you have taken it upon yourself to be some sort of website barometer. Maybe you have some type of self-esteem issue. Maybe you lack the confidence in your own knowledge on matters because you never took the time to read and learn. Who knows? I'm not going to analyze you. You are making your character (or lack thereof) abundantly clear to anyone and everyone who comes across you online, and maybe in the real world as well. As for me, I know what I know and I know what I don't know because of what I have read and what I have studied over the years. And I will continue to read and study and observe.

You don't have to agree with my opinion on a damn thing. Believe me, I will not lose a millisecond of sleep over it.

I forget to remember the gorilla in the room? Who the hell died and made you the one to be answered to? The depths of your arrogance is astonishing.

Did I say that other countries in the world have an electoral college? No, on the contrary. I said that no other country has an electoral system LIKE THE UNITED STATES. I said that even other countries that are democracies that don't have an electoral system like the U.S. But, no. You are oblivious to the message, because you have some stick up your ass when it comes to me.

Of course you won't argue with me. You clearly have no argument to make! Thank God that at least you have at least a shred of self-awareness where some of your limitations are concerned.

Next time you have "steam of stomach", I ask that you at least have the courtesy and decency to excuse yourself before you pass it.

great effort sick

The question is:

how long before we realize that people's personal feelings even if written as books and articles do not constitute facts but just people's opinions and feelings.

I find it amazing that you had time to provide all these links and opinions, but come on! How would Democrats lose Iraq?  the whole chaos in Iraq started 5 years ago on a lie told by GWB administration, now Iraq will be lost by Obama???  are you for real?

As one TV commentator was saying, the minute Obama is in office, Iraq's dilemma would be called "Obama's occupation" by the republicans. I guess you couldn't even wait for him to be sworn in before blaming Iraq on him!  How very biased of you! 

IRANdokht

Okay just like some would

Okay just like some would like to call Persian Gulf, Arabian Gulf or call Iran, Persia, you can call the 1979 revolution as coup, uprising, overthrow or other crap.

Gazillion links and books about 1979 coup. Sounds like the degree Bush got from Yale or Ahmadinejad's PhD from Azad (from mokh) University!

It is like singing Yasin to mules! 1979 coup! rings well doesn't it?!

I Elov IRI!!

Velvet Revolution of 1978, Courtesy of "Great Satan"

To IRI Virtual Enterprise Institute:

Your so-called uprising of 1978 was a manufactured coup courtesy of Islamists "beloved Great Satan" and Carter et al. How long are you going to stay ignorant and perpetuate what the imperialists want you to believe?

The best book to read is by William Engdhall, " A century of War":

Manufactured coup of 1979: " A Centure of War" by William Engdhall

//www.amazon.com/Century-War-Anglo-American-P...
What really happened to the Shah of Iran:

Excerpts from the book:
//www.payvand.com/news/06/mar/1090.html

U.S. policies may have contributed to Iran revolution, study says

//www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-f...
Manufactured coup of 1979: " A Centure of War" by William Engdhall

//www.amazon.com/Century-War-Anglo-American-P...
What really happened to the Shah of Iran:
Excerpts from the book:
//www.payvand.com/news/06/mar/1090.html

Report: U.S. Missteps Led To Shah's Overthrow NPR

//www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story...

The installation of Ayatollah by the West:
//www.williambowles.info/guests/2005/iran_cla...

Carter's Habitat of inhumanity:
//www.investors.com/editorial/editorialconten...

Complicity of France in Manufacturing the Iranian Revolution and Jimmy Carter's betrayal of the Iranian People

//www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1857

Chirac Assisting Khomeini
//www.jcpa.org/israel-europe/ier-eytan-05.htm

Carter's Doctrine:
//www.iranianvoice.org/article774.html

Blame President Carter for situation in Iran

//pqasb.pqarchiver.com/mcall/access/121903008...

How the revolution was hijacked:

//www.democratiya.com/interview.asp?issueid=9

Prof. Eli Schwartz's Feb. 7 column, "Today, Shah's Iran doesn't look so bad," raises an interesting question. Had President Jimmy Carter and his allies on our political left not withdrawn American support of the Shah in 1978, it is entirely possible that Ayatollah Khomeni's ascent to power would have been stopped in its tracks''If these were his enemies, the Shah doesn't seem that
bad. The severity of his regime pales by comparison to
what followed.''

//www.mcall.com/news/opinion/anotherview/all-...

How Democrats Lost Iran and Now Could Lose Iraq under Obama

Adapted from Dinesh D’Souza’s new book, “The Enemy at Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11” (Doubleday). D’Souza is the Rishwain Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

//www.amazon.com/Enemy-At-Home-Cultural-Respo...

Kaveh you fail to respond to

Kaveh you fail to respond to factual points raised and blame everyone and everything else on your shortcomings. My comments towards you are always to show you and others the glaring inconsistencies yet you either forget to remember the gorilla in the room or respond with another off the wall response.

Like that other post failing to mention which countries in the "world" to your (steam of stomach) "knowledge" have the "electoral" college.

I will not argue with you but I write these comments because your points are truely unique and amusing and your responses even more amusing! You are among the MANY Iranians who has an imaginary PhD (from steam of stomach) in politics and everything else ;-)

Lefty

Listen...why don't you, John Carpenter and all of his aliases and voices in his head just take a very long walk off a very short pier? You appear to be such a tremendous fan of his, I'm sure you two would enjoy each other's company. (I just hope you're both sterile).

You have yet to add anything constructive in any thread. No one knows where the hell you stand on anything because you are simply obsessed with launching an attack upon me directly, issues be damned.

"As far as Carter's hand in

"As far as Carter's hand in the establishment of the IRI, there is nobody who can plausibly deny the fact that Carter and his administration facilitated the 1979 overthrow and the establishment of the IRI."

Kaveh again with the carpet bombing statements like "nobody" can deny the "fact"?!

Akhe when are you going to become Adam (and Eve)?! Should I summon John Carpenter to teach you about Carter? There was no body who could have "stopped" the 1979 revolution so the fact is the 1979 revolution was "facilitated" by Iranian people!

Iranians YES WE CAN!! Too!

Amirkabear

You are 100% correct in saying that the IRI is not well-informed about the U.S.

As far as Carter's hand in the establishment of the IRI, there is nobody who can plausibly deny the fact that Carter and his administration facilitated the 1979 overthrow and the establishment of the IRI.

Were there other factors involved? Undoubtedly. But could any entity within Iran's underground make it happen the way it did? The answer is no. The organizational and logistical requirements, combined with the financial resources required to see the overthrow to fruition just didn't exist without the U.S.

Any underground movement relies on assistance from outside. And the underground you are speaking of are/were no exception.

Do they know the difference?

IRI is as much informed about US as Sarah P is about Africa!

You people really believe that american politicians could create IRI. I mean it is not surprising for people like kaveh thinks Jimmy C had a hand in creating IRI. But come on, try have some depth to your political views. IRI's creation should not be searched in US but more like a place underground and very hot!! Logic is a good thing to have. If they had a hand in creating such a problematic government then they did not have so much problems in middle east. ABLE governments have less problems.  

IRI...

Since its inception ideologically, economically and politically was and always will be in tune with right-wing republicanism! Just remember Dick Cheney+Halliburton+IRI=BIG PROFIT$! Bill Clinton tried so many different way to approach IRI but at the end was unsuccessful because his deal was not as CHARB as W. Bush's! No wonder IRI not very happy with a Democrat in the office! 

The Last Real Liberal

as you call him put these miserable SOBs in power in Tehran in the first place.

They owe their very existence to liberals, specifically Jimmy.

Just like Ted Koppel in a strange way owes his job as host of Nightline to the IRI.

Ali Jaan !!

They hoped warmonger McCain comes to power !......kheili sookht !

sepaas

What fool wants a repeat of Khatami years and then ZILCH

I am afraid the real centers of power in Iran such as Khamaneii and Rafsanjani might want to repeat Khatamii experience again to maintain the akhoondi status quo at least for the short term (when Democrats are in office)and some people are strongly promoting Khatami and this idea on this website.

Of course Europe would love a repeat of Khatami, but at the end what would Iranian people achieve?

Wasn't it better?

"Deev cho biroon ravad fereshteh dar aayad" fits better here, right?

Mullahs hate Democrats

How much do you want to bet that the Mullahs in Iran are shaking in their shoes about Obama's election?

The Mullah's golden years of tyranny have all happened when there were Republican presidents in the White House. George Bush's decisions over the past eight years have strengthened the IRI. They love the Republicans and fear the Democrats, that's what I think.

finally!

Thanks for providing proof against those who accused Obama supporters to be in tank for IRI. 

of course they don't like to see liberals in office: the last real liberal in WH pressured Shah over Human Rights issues, they know what's coming!

IRANdokht