Amir Parviz for secular monarchy

المقنع

Language of a faith is the language in which the faith was originally spoken or documented. You may be an apostate but your forefathers were not.

 For an Islamic democracy

One more thing

Your faith Salman

not mine so get used to it; are you SP by any chances? You seem to act like him and like to be the most disliked person. Now you are in a race with IMF over the most disliked on IC.

I don't see all christian

I don't see all christian and jews speaking Hebrew or Aramic...

اللغة العربية هي لغة ديننا : الإسلام

Arabic is the language of our faith: Islam

 For an Islamic democracy

West isn't the only group that wants islam for iran.

We have plenty of people that don't mind going through misery and taking others through it with them.

And who can blame them, since they were little children some not so loving parent, rammed ideas of a hell and so called loving islam ... so deep into their minds that they fear they will go to hell if they don't poision their lives and ours too.

You and I will have a much easier time having salma fly a plane into a building than taking out the nonsense in his mind and replacing it with truth.

The least he can do is, at least not write arabic for us, not that there are not good people among arabs, I just don't even know arabic and am not happy about their influence on iranians.

Amirparviz

Salman, please no arabic...

that's like the language of treason for an Iranian.

I was trying to hint that treason does not serve us and you go and write in the satanic, evil language of devil worshippers of the one satan and do it on ic???

common please. 

Salman

There was a desparate need for change but not for the worse

Those who followed Khoemeini including those who pretend to be muslims were either blind or were frauds. Khoemini's path was against the most scared principle of Islam: peace.

وَإِن جَنَحُواْ لِلسَّلْمِ فَاجْنَحْ لَهَا وَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللّهِ إِنَّهُ هُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ

But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah. for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).

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vpk

you ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT....

my father worked in the oil company in ahvaz....and the brits said the same thing to him....but we, too, were naive to believe them

the shah should have signed the oil deal- he knew he had cancer and was not going to make it into the 80's......reza jr would have taken over and iran would be more advanced than most europeans by now!!!

when the shah stood up to the brits and big oil in 1973, he showed all his card and that sealed his faith- once that happened, the brits began planning his overthrow:

-250 million spent on training murdrers and terrorist with the help of the PLO in lebanon as early as '75!!!! some of these same terrorists are running iran today!

-bringing an illiterate, unknown, and filthy mullah like khomeni out of the gutter to prop him up as a 'ghandi' figure to take over

compiling the list of individuals who were a threat to this whole scheme.....bakhtiar, gen oveissi, shahriar shafiq, gen badrei, etc.....anyone who was a true patriot and willing to do whatever it took to save iran- all these brave patriots were soon killed or assasinated to make sure the vile rule of the akhoonds would last and take hold!

-the burning of cinema rex to incite and agitate the population

and on and on....

the only problem is that even with all this, if we were more like the japanese, none of this would have happened------our problem is that everyone is out for themselves, and when a moron like khomeini who could not even put two correct farsi words together, claimed to be a savior, we followed him and sold our souls

I guess it's the genepool 

Iranian People are experiencing domination.

When good leaders are destroyed and replaced with the most antisocial radical groups this is hardy suffering from bad leadership.  It is called being dominated.  However, they are using elements of our own societies, in mek case they will be lookng to get support from uneducated masses. 

Shah's govt though good for iranians, was easily defeated by creating division among elites who themselves were not too elite, ie nicknamed AN-tellectuals of Iran.  The concepts used were, corruption, repression, dictatorship, in favor of human rights, democracy etc.  AN-tellectuals swallowed the bait.  And today they don't even have Freedom as it existed before or anything other than IRI vs MEK as their main choices.

If I were the Shah, I wouldn't even put myself forward as an option, citing the murder of his Grandfather at the hands of the British, The Murder of His Father at the hands of Carter, and the murder of his younger brother at the hands of Obama.

The Neo-colonialism from abroad first has to come to an end, before the high treason at home can be addressed, As the IRI starts building bomb proof underground silos around the straight of hormoz and developing nukes his message will be a more receptive one than the Carter Doctrine currently being followed, which says that all the oil in the middle east belongs to the USA and sovereignty over their own resources is not allowed.

Iranian People

are some of the most talented and productive on the planet. However we have bad leadership and have often suffered of it. Whenever we had a half decent leader we managed to thrive.

Too bad we have suffered from bad leadrship for 33 years. Shah was a half decent one. Reza Khan was a brilliant one. Others like Amir Kabir were also great. All we need is a for our leaders to get out of the way and let us do the job. Even with the IRI Iran has managed to become a space power. I know people want to laugh at it. But putting a space vehicle in orbit is no laughing thing. How many nations are able to do this? And that under the IRI so imagine with a real nationalist what we may do.

Keep In Mind The People within Iran are the same mostly

Yes a new generation, but look at what Shah and his supporters accomplished with the same people and look at mullahs and then reflect.

Compared to the Region Iranians were #1, today, they are not even a fraction of their past in any respect.

Why rehash the disingenuous propaganda of the past, that lead to this natonal treason.  Did it work well for Iran?

High Treason is nothing to be proud of, if you believed Iran can be a leading democracy didn't you get your answer?

When looking at what 1979 was if you hit the nail right on the head, you will know what is next for Iran.

Real options are not unlimited based on the society.

Mammad that attitude gave rise to the mass treason

Jealousy and Blame where the foundations of the mass treason I believe.

Not to mention rapid life changes/development.

Mammad

Why don't you post in my blog about "what happens next". I want views from all points. I may disagree with you a lot. But you represent a significant portion of the population; what is your point of view please post it.

Re: USA/UK/FRANCE/GERMANY not Serious about Human Rights

If they were serious about it would they have sold poison gas to Saddam. I mean this is a no brainier. Of course they were not serious about it! 

Regarding Reza Khan. There are many Iranians with potential. A lot are not in Iran right now. I am not so sure about compassion being required. We need a strong patriot. Too much compassion towards the vermin may not be a great idea.

VPK

Yeah, rewrite the history!

Even if it were a "mass treason," the very fact that it was a "mass movement of treason" begs the questions:

Who was responsible for the "mass treason?" The people or the Government? If the former, why? If the latter, I rest my case!

The most important task of a government is creating conditions that can help advance the country in an organized and JUST fashion. It cannot be done with justice, unless it is democratic. So,

who eliminated all the political parties - National Front, Liberation Movement, secular leftists, ....? Shah's regime!

Who did not even tolerate the cartoonish Iran-e Novin and Mardom Parties and ordered them dissolved, set up the neo-fascist Rastakhiz Party and declarted "Whoever is not happy can get his passport and leave," sentiments that were also echoed in the IRI by Mohammad Taghi Mesbah Yazdi? The Shah's regime.  Congratulations to their alliance!.

Who jailed all the objective journalists, censored the press, books, thoughts, etc.? Shah's regime.

Who was forced to put the political prisoners on trial by military courts, because the civilian courts refused to do it? The Shah's regime!

Why is it that a small group could fool an entire nation - if that is what happened?

THe idea that the Shah worked "tirelessly" for Iranian's to be free is beyond ridiculous. One needs a new word to describe it!

I do not even get into the economic corruption of the Pahlavis and their cronies, just like the corruption in the present ruling elite. Asadollah Alam memoir has said plenty enough!

I do not care how glowing your statistics may be. The system failed - just as the IRI has - in its most important task described above.

But the bogus statistics about Iran being this and that during the Shah's regime are also given by Ahmadinejad, Khamenei, etc. They too claim that Iran is number one power!! They too attribute a lot of things in the region to themselves!

Mammad

If we fail to understand the past

we are condemned to repeat the same mistakes.

We have 4 countries none of which wanted freedom/humanrights/democracy for iran.

They are still united on neo-colonial concepts such as mullahs for iran.  Some are more on the path of breaking up Iran from within.  

As for me personally, I wouldn't want to lead Iran after what the people did to shah and those loyal to Iran first.  How can I expect anyone else to lead iran.  Iran is no gift, today it's 1000 times worse than when Reza Khan came to power.  And iranans, mostly on this site and others I speak with are mainly wanting to pursue dreams, with out any information about what can realistically be accomplished, they are not grounded in reality.

Floating in the clouds won't work.  I wonder what the gift is for iranians of this situation, how did we benefit from being duped enmass?  Are we any wiser?

USA/UK/FRANCE/GERMANY not Serious about Human Rights for Iran.

The 4 powers were all involved in removing the shah, so many books with details, written by their own people, and then many more films to cover it up.

Yet with the exception of the usa, those countries did not committ treason.  The USA on the other hand had a pact with Iran which made iran a top level ally.  That pact could not even be altered without approval of both irans parliament and congress together.

It's tough to see a patriotic leader rise up, these things take time and happen from within a country.  With the Treachury of Iranians, who do we imagine is going to come save us.

It would have to be a super compassionate person like reza khan, solely focussed on the good of a people and hungry for undermining power of people that gained it illigitimately, which is the case of most people in Iran today. 

So many people who built the great Iran before 1979 fled or were killed, the people in control today are the 2nd generation of a bunch of thieves that can't run anything, among the lowest in terms of education, class, intelligence, sophistication.  

For a lighter but perhaps a profound moment

I present you with one of my most favorite blogs on IC.  

//iranian.com/main/blog/arash-monzavi-kia/are-we-crazy 

Have a great Wednesday. 

One thing

I know as a fact that British were behind it. My father had very close friends in high positions in Britain. He was told by one of them a year before the revolution to pack up and go!

It was a warning to us because they wanted to save my family. Too bad my father did not take it seriously. It really pains me to see what happened. I wish Shah had just given them the stupid oil deal and kept the nation. We would have been better off because part of something is better than nothing. We would have been the outsourcing capital of the world. Let them keep the damn oil. At least we would be free and not had the war or the threat of MEK; disintegration. Plus we may well have recovered some of the lost territory after the fall of Soviets. Not to mention Afghanistan would not be such a mess. It would have been better for the USA as well. No need to invade Iraq or Afghanistan. No Taliban or AQ to deal with.

Now the NeoCons want to create yet another monster: MEK. They want to break up Iran and create a half dozen terror mini states. Who is going to keep the peace? Not NATO or US with their thinly spread forces and drones.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Well of course the 1979 deal was orchastrated. The reason was that Shah was making Iran too powerful for the Israeli and British. Nixon would have not allowed it to happen. Because he liked Iran and the Shah.

But Jimmy Cater the ever idiot fell to the British moves. It was our bad luck that Nixon had to mess it up. I still admire the man and think he was the best President USA had in the my lifetime so far.

At this point given the gullibility of Iranian people I say to *** with democracy. Give me Reza Khan and I will be happy! Just read the people supporting MEK on IC. We don't need that; we need a patriot who will get us back in shape.

Roozbeh I'm leaning away from the idea 1979 was hijacked

It wasn't even a revolution with what we see, an orchestration of sorts maybe.

wow, wow, wow. VPK

The more info we get the more it becomes inescapable to conclude that 1979 was an orchestration more than any other single thing.

The evidence is clearly there if you read past articles from the bbc or time.

I know many people want democracy, but it may not be such a smart thing to pursue under these circumstances, people should be a little more suspicious of the motives of those selling democracy to us, when they then pay groups like mek or khomeini to clean up afterwards.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

The MEK hired some Polish students in their "demonstrations". This was to pump up their numbers to look better:

//www.nejatngo.org/en/post.aspx?id=1893

I am not absolutely sure since I was not there. But it sounds like their kind of action. They have been hiring non Iranians to demonstrate for them. Bribing them with free trips and money.

VPK ... The Polish???

How did we drag them in to our mess?

What did they have to do with Iran?

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy part II

It is not amazing that IRI has been in power for so long. It went through at least 3 phases:

• The initial phase and the imposed war. In this phase many people still had hope for it. They were also worried about the war. That is why Khomeini called it a gift from heaven because it helped distract people.
• The "reform" phase. During this time Khatami and his people got power. We had hope that IRI would reform on its own. That slowly VF would move aside and a real democracy would emerge. It did not happen and will not happen.
• The AN phase. Initially AN was also considered a hope for reform. He was supposed to bring honesty and be clean. His second and obviously rigged run dashed those hopes.

I would say the real movement for by Iranians to remove IRI begun then. After the rigged second run of AN. So it has not really been that long. Many people including me still had hope for reform until then. Therefore we are only beginning it.

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

MEK may organize a mass movement out of a handful of Iranians; many Polish citizens and a lot of editing. Now if you want to call that a "mass" movement we are in trouble. But of course the AIPAC paid and owned media will put a different face on it.

If MEK can organize a mass movement, Iranians are in deeptrouble

There is too much info out on MEK, what they do to their own members torture, executions etc  they are without a doubt despotic/tyranical but people know it and I think the taste of khomeini really ruined their business plan.

Having money goes a long way, but in practice USA supporting them could also backfire badly.  The iranian consumer is smarter.  But then again, if they have lots of coercive power,they could hijack iran like IRI.

I guess the question above has 2 parts to be answered,

1 can be answered only with info/intelligence data, which is too hard to come by in this political environment.  I mean true verifiable info.

2 The other depends on what your goal is.  If you wanted islamic democracy, this was not a treason for you.  If you want a secular democracy/republic or a secular democracy/monarchy at some point a treason occured.

Amazing the IRI are still in power with almost no real political base, except what they can build with the income of a nation and giving out welfare.  They aren't even religious, just thieves, dozd.