Do you want to know what a petty and foolishly vindictive people we are? Take a look at this comparison:
Japan: two nuclear bombs dropped on them by the United States. Number of casualties: an estimated 200,000 dead. But, post WWII, Japan became an important U.S. ally, allowed U.S. bases on its soil and became an economic powerhouse.
Vietnam: in the 1960’s and 1970’s, invaded by the U.S. in a totally avoidable conflict. Number of casualties: an estimated 2,000,000 Vietnamese dead.. Vietnam today has full diplomatic and trade relations with the U.S.
Germany: An estimated 2.5 million civilians killed by American and allied bombardments with full combined civilian and military deaths totaling almost 7 million. Entire major cities in Germany were reduced to rubble. Germany then became a staunch U.S. ally, allowed U.S. bases on its soil and also became an economic powerhouse.
Lastly, a number of former Eastern Bloc nations, such as Poland are not only American allies, after half century of almost annihilating each other, but are also full NATO members.
Now let’s look at Iran: an entire nation of 35 million (in 1979) became a herd of raging lunatics because of a bullshit memo written by a boasting Kermit Roosevelt a quarter a century ago. Overthrew a progressive, or at least a pliable, regime, brought upon itself a Middle Ages style theocracy, took American diplomats hostage, chanted, and is still chanting, three decades later, death to America every single day, severed all diplomatic relations with the U.S., have remained belligerent to the only remaining superpower in the world to the extent that we have brought crippling sanctions and threats of military action upon ourselves.
Now do you see what a contemptible and frivolous people we are? We hold grudges like if it’s a good thing. And people return us the favor by being just as belligerent and inflexible. We deserve every ounce of pain that is inflicted on us for our immutable and indomitable nature.
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Re: Whining
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:07 AM PDTMost Iranian I know do not whine about 1953. That is a very small group. Most of us are busy working. I work 10 or more hours a day 6 days a week. I do whine about my tax money going to waste in Afghanistan and Iraq.
It should be going to my Social Security and Medicare. Not to mention paying down the debt. Just like millions of other Americans do. It has nothing to do with Iran or Japan. But I did phone my Senator today and asked "why should we pay to have troops in Japan"? What is the military need for it. That is my response regarding Japan. I want better schools and better infrastructure. If that is a crime then I confess. Iranians I know in Iran are also busy surviving not whining about Mossadegh.
Listen carefully to what the Japanese pilot says
by Anonymous Observer on Wed Sep 28, 2011 09:44 AM PDTin this clip:
//www.bbc.co.uk/persian/science/2011/09/110928_l42_vid_boeing787.shtml
I don't hear him whine about what the U.S. did to Japan when it incinerated 200 thousand Japanese.
Now let's whine some more about the 1953 coup, shall we?
Anglo
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Sep 28, 2011 09:36 AM PDTGive him a bit of a break. He actually had to go find someone to write Farsi for him! He is probably mad because his Iranian heritage makes him "non white". I don't see what this whole white *** is anyway.
Mixed races are the best. Pure bred means inbred which is recipe for bad genes. Thankfully Iranians got genes from all corners of the world! Good for us I am not pure race and proud of it.
Khalili !You lost the plot bro LOL
by anglophile on Wed Sep 28, 2011 08:55 AM PDTThis the fate of those new kids on the bloc like you who can't take the heat and have to butt of the kitchen.
Bye bye kiddo - lol
Hey, Screw You All
by JahanKhalili on Wed Sep 28, 2011 02:05 AM PDTIf you accept vildemose's idiotic reasoning that defending white people or presenting the German point of view is the equivalent of hating non-whites, then all I have to say is:
خاک بر سرتان.
Yeah vildemose
by JahanKhalili on Wed Sep 28, 2011 02:16 AM PDTWhat's this sh-t about "hating nonwhites"?
You're the racist, because its people like you who want to deny whites the right to even defend or advocate for themselves, while permitting it to others.
THAT's racist, you idiot!
Shut Up, vildemose
by JahanKhalili on Wed Sep 28, 2011 01:43 AM PDTMy mother is white. Sure I'll defend her and her people.
I'll do it with or without the permission of anti-white racists like yourself.
Get used to it.
Amirparviz Jan
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Sep 27, 2011 07:14 PM PDTAmirparviz: The point of attacks is to bully people out. You said Or do they wish to see me gone?
Yes
they wish you gone because they don't like other ideas. The funny thing
is a lot of the worst attacks are from self professed "democrats". But
their idea of "democracy" is their way or nothing. If you don't tow the
line 100% you get attacked. The "line" is:
I don't tow the line on some of the above so I get trashed. You don't tow the line you get trashed. Goal: to shut out any dissenting voice. No matter what side it may be on. If they ever come to power they will do what IRI does with dissent.
Vildermose Jan
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Sep 27, 2011 07:10 PM PDTThank you I am not planning on going. But I have to admit I am getting burned out so maybe I will take your suggestion.
Thanks again.
I get a lot of personal attacks too. What's the point of it?
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Tue Sep 27, 2011 06:27 PM PDTWhat does it accompllsh? Am I supposed to change my views and mind? Do they expect me to hide under a table? Or do they wish to see me gone? It's not effective or noble and it's not honest/fair to insult someone directly, humor is fine and generally discussing types of people is okay to a point, attacking is not right.
Mean People Suck, but I don't reply to it, I'm not here to change anyone. I just enjoy it when I can see people thinking from various view points.
VPK jan: Don't ever go.
by vildemose on Tue Sep 27, 2011 06:00 PM PDTVPK jan: Don't ever go. Do take a break but don't go. On a ligher note:
نسل آینده بچه های فیسبوک:
رضا فیسبوکچی
الهام تگ زاده
میر کامنت الله بلاک زاده
مهسا شیر زاده
... ... ... ... امید لایک پور
زهرا ریموو تگ نیا
ساسان پوک باز
دلارام فرند ریکویست پور
مرتضی میر اکسپت نیا
Reform requires the consent of the corrupt
vildemose Jan
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Sep 27, 2011 04:43 PM PDTThanks for the explanation now I see your point. That aside I am still disturbed by other things going on here on IC. Because of that I have thought of giving it up many times. But I have a pretty strong stomach.
I also know many people love to see me go. In a sense if I go it will be a victory for the bullies. Therefore I have decided to stay if nothing to prove bullying does not work. Not with me in any situation.
vpk jan: He was
by vildemose on Tue Sep 27, 2011 04:11 PM PDTvpk jan: He was implicitly endorsing Nazi Germany when he said ...The Germans underwent "De-Nazification", which involved the conquest of their minds......; hence, my comment about Hitler. It was a natural progression and I was compelled to ask him point blank if he supported Hitler having read his previous comments in other threads a few days earlier.
VPK: Please don't waste your time with these people. I wouldn't was one more nanosecond on this condescending nincompoop.
Reform requires the consent of the corrupt
Dear Vildemose
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Sep 27, 2011 04:02 PM PDTI am not defending JK. But I am disturbed by the increasing personal attacks on IC. I don't know JK and was never impressed by him. In fact I have been very critical of him. Just read my older posts to see for yourself.
What I like to see is fewer personal attacks. I have written several blogs trying to bring people to some sense. On another blog someone practically accused me of being a guard at Evin. Is this where IC is going? I want to see that person banned.
//iranian.com/main/2011/sep/freed-hikers-...
You have fine evidence that JK is not a savory person. Why not use that and leave out the Hitler bit. The point gets across just as well if not better. It does leave out the personal part and makes your argument more powerful.
The Lesson You All Might Be
by vildemose on Tue Sep 27, 2011 03:56 PM PDTThe Lesson You All Might Be Missing About Apartheid South Africa
by JahanKhalili on Tue Sep 13, 2011 08:09 AM PDT
The whites there willingly gave up their political power to please some strangers around the world who didn't even know them or care about them.
... and now, whites are being murdered in South Africa. Its almost a genocide against them.
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_farm_at...
All the people elsewhere who they were trying to impress by giving up the Apartheid system that protected them, aren't doing anything for them.
So what lesson can we learn from this?
I'd say that one lesson is to never care or pay attention to world opinion, or what some strangers somewhere think of you.
Instead, do what's in the best interest of your OWN PEOPLE.
Please read the rest of his comments on this thread:
//iranian.com/main/2011/aug/best-things-happened-after-islam
JK: Did your mom teach you about hating non-whites?? By hating others you love yourself a little bit less.
Reform requires the consent of the corrupt
What does
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Sep 27, 2011 03:49 PM PDTHitler have to do with the reality of crimes against Germans. And why does everyone on IC have to personally attack others. The firebombing of Dresden is a reality. It was brutal and not necessary.
Churchill was a racist pig. It just happened that his victims were Indians not Jews. Many Indians were starved by the British so they could stash food for their armies. In a war India had nothing to do with. Don't even get me started on Stalin who killed more than Hitler. Of his own people mind you!
When it comes to Iran frankly the allies did far more harm. In particular the Russian and British. What right did they have to attack Iran. My point is the "good" guys look at lot like the bad ones. Mentioning the crimes of the allies does not mean liking Hitler.
They were all a bunch of *** one worse than the other.
The least harmful was America. That is why Japan got off easy. Because they got taken just by the Americans.
Too bad Americans have changed and are not what they used to be.
Germany vs. Japan
by JahanKhalili on Tue Sep 27, 2011 03:11 PM PDTThe conquest of Germany was far more brutal than that of Japan. Germany was invaded by three world powers.
The Soviets committed war crimes against the civilian population.
//library.flawlesslogic.com/massrape.htm
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred-Maurice_de_Zay...
//www.wilhelmgustloff.com/
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x7t5hJeq0U
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXpPS7ishZc
The Americans and British recently managed to sweep the extent of the casualties they inflicted at Dresden under the rug by claiming only around 25,000 were killed.
While the Allies prosecuted Germans for warcrimes, they of course didn't prosecute themselves for any.
The Japanese were probably treated a lot more leniently.
That's one reason why you have so many good little Germans who are ready to jump for an American biscuit.
They never had a choice.
Germans today are like little wannabe Americans. They even watch the Simpsons. They have no dignity left.
Dear Vildemose
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Sep 27, 2011 01:26 PM PDTThe way two nations Germany and Japan handled post WWII is very different. Germans were forced to go see the camps and feel guilt. Now to be fair there was a lot of real guilt to be seen. I am not excusing their actions. But for most part average German did not know about what was happening. I knew an Iranian man who was in Germany in WWII. He lived through the whole thing. People had no idea what the Nazi were doing to the Jews and others in death camps.
The German population were forced to go and see the horrors with their own eyes first hand. That was fair and I support it. But then they were fed collective guilt. I don't support that. Why should a German who was not even born then feel guilt.
But the Japanese were also very nasty to Chinese; Koreans and so on. They were not forced to see what they did. They got to believe they were victims. Why the double standards I wonder. For the record I oppose collective guilt.
So What?
by JahanKhalili on Tue Sep 27, 2011 01:22 PM PDT" This kind of talk usually happens around David Dukes circles."
Who cares?
All that matters is whether something is true, not who said it.
(Unless we're dealing with Iranians, of course - in which case ALL that matters is who said it).
Good
by JahanKhalili on Tue Sep 27, 2011 01:11 PM PDT... now that's more like it!
The Germans underwent
by vildemose on Tue Sep 27, 2011 01:10 PM PDTThe Germans underwent "De-Nazification", which involved the conquest of their minds.
Their whole education system was demolished and replaced with one which taught them to love their conquerors.
This kind of talk usually happens around David Dukes circles.
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqFKhGHpvnQ
Reform requires the consent of the corrupt
JK: I really don't care
by vildemose on Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:08 AM PDTJK: I really don't care for much for what you have to say because you come across as a very troubled and disturbed individual. May you find peace.
Reform requires the consent of the corrupt
JK
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:04 AM PDTI am getting worried also. Now that you are making sense to me. Better go and see a shrink fast because something got to be wrong with me :-)
I alone speak for me.
Well said!
I'm an individual, and am responsible for no one's opinion or actions but my own.
Again I am with you but some areound here hold all Iranians responsible for IRI. One mentioned "we climbed the fence around the US embassy".
By the way family is not just an Iranian obsession. For one thing British are more into it than Iranians.
vildemose
by JahanKhalili on Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:48 AM PDTWhy do you ask?
What has that to do with me?
I never understood the Iranian obsession with family background.
If my father is a world leader, that says nothing about me.
If my father is a murderer, that says nothing about me, either.
Who cares about this stuff?
I'm an individual, and am responsible for no one's opinion or actions but my own.
I alone speak for me.
Haha!
by JahanKhalili on Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:10 AM PDTI never care about popularity contests.
If I see that people start to like me or agree with me, I start getting worried.
Public praise is evidence that there is something wrong with you.
JK: Are your parents
by vildemose on Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:43 AM PDTJK: Are your parents still married?? Did your mother convert to shia??
Reform requires the consent of the corrupt
Wow JK
by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Sep 27, 2011 09:56 AM PDTThe Germans underwent "De-Nazification", which involved the conquest of their minds.
Actually said something that I agree with! Yes Germans were programmed to be a different people.
By the way Iranians I know do not hate America; I don't. No one I know hates America. They may criticize but that is not hate. But to some people anything except for complete 100% support is "hate". I dislike Jimmy Carter but he is not "America". In fact my feelings about America are in line with the majority of Americans.
Also that education I got cost my father a ton of money. It was not free. No one did me a favor; they got paid for every bit of it in hard cash.
On the other hand...
by JahanKhalili on Tue Sep 27, 2011 09:27 AM PDTI agree that some Iranians are petty and vindictive.
Look at all these Iranians here in America who use the education system. That benefits Iran.
I would like to see some of the educated Iranians who sat around and criticized America and the West, show some appreciation for its good things for a change and say "thank you", instead of pretending that they are owed something for having been here and used it.
Yes, but...
by JahanKhalili on Tue Sep 27, 2011 09:14 AM PDTThe Germans underwent "De-Nazification", which involved the conquest of their minds.
Their whole education system was demolished and replaced with one which taught them to love their conquerors.
None of this happened from their free will.
The miraculous Coca Cola Germans you see today running around and denouncing their own country and dancing to the tune of their conquerors, were essentially made by them.
Jahan Khalili - Interesting observations
by Anonymous Observer on Tue Sep 27, 2011 07:46 AM PDTIn case of the three nations that I mentioned, while what you say is true to some extent, very few of citizenz of those nations harbor the kind of visceral anti-Americansim that I see in a lot of Iranians, even those who live in the United States. Like you point out, this type of a hate transcends idiologies. Shahis hate the U.S. because they blame it for Shah's demise, IR supporters hate it because of Palestine, religious reaosn and all other kind of nonsense that they have made up and old fossil Iranian leftists (which we surprisingly have great numbers of in comparison to other nations) are still waiting for someone to come in and just destroy what they see as an obnoxious capitalist system. This is especially true after the fall of the USSR. So, it's a witch's brew of anti-American mentalities gone wild. Also, when it comes to America's wrongs, Iranians become advocates of the entire planet!
You don't have to take my word for it, ask any Vietnamese, German or Japanese, and see if they still have ill feelings about the U.S. for killing hundreds of thousands or million of their citizens. The answer will be no. But ask an Iranian about what they think of the U.S...and you better bring your iPod and a relaxing book, because it will take a couple of hours to listen to their whining about how the U.S. assisted in a coup in 1953, Mossadegh, their beloved Palestine, blah, blah, blah...