Iranians: A Bunch of Petty and Foolishly Vindictive People


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Anonymous Observer
by Anonymous Observer
19-Sep-2011
 

Do you want to know what a petty and foolishly vindictive people we are?  Take a look at this comparison:

Japan: two nuclear bombs dropped on them by the United States.  Number of casualties: an estimated 200,000 dead.  But, post WWII, Japan became an important U.S. ally, allowed U.S. bases on its soil and became an economic powerhouse.

Vietnam: in the 1960’s and 1970’s, invaded by the U.S. in a totally avoidable conflict.  Number of casualties:  an estimated 2,000,000 Vietnamese dead..  Vietnam today has full diplomatic and trade relations with the U.S.

Germany: An estimated 2.5 million civilians killed by American and allied bombardments with full combined civilian and military deaths totaling almost 7 million.  Entire major cities in Germany were reduced to rubble.  Germany then became a staunch U.S. ally, allowed U.S. bases on its soil and also became an economic powerhouse.

Lastly, a number of former Eastern Bloc nations, such as Poland are not only American allies, after half century of almost annihilating each other, but are also full NATO members. 

Now let’s look at Iran: an entire nation of 35 million (in 1979) became a herd of raging lunatics because of a bullshit memo written by a boasting Kermit Roosevelt a quarter a century ago.  Overthrew a progressive, or at least a pliable, regime, brought upon itself a Middle Ages style theocracy, took American diplomats hostage, chanted, and is still chanting, three decades later, death to America every single day, severed all diplomatic relations with the U.S., have remained belligerent to the only remaining superpower in the world to the extent that we have brought crippling sanctions and threats of military action upon ourselves.

Now do you see what a contemptible and frivolous people we are?  We hold grudges like if it’s a good thing.  And people return us the favor by being just as belligerent and inflexible.  We deserve every ounce of pain that is inflicted on us for our immutable and indomitable nature.     


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Siavash300

Salman Farsi question

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"what is wrong with looking like Arabs?" Salman Farsi

You need to study history of Iran in relation to Arab world my friend. Here is just small comments that can not cover the whole history for you. My suggestion is you start from Khalid ibn Walid and then Umar ibn Vagas. These are 2 good characters in history to start for you. Then move to Sassanian dynasty till recent Iran Iraq war.

Wish you the best in learning histoy.

Siavash


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

AO

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It would be nice it he was allowed to speak for himself. Posts on my blog seem to go to /dev/null


Anonymous Observer

Fesenjoon's comment on the issue

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my buddy Fesenjoon has this to say about the subject:


If Rumi and Attar were alive today, theyd be horrified at what a bunch of vindictive petty group we've become. Where has all that wisdom and spirituality gone? Where's our najeeb character disappear to? It's either all turned into crazy religious fervor, or narcissist nationalism. It's scary how the culture has mutated into something totally different from what Abu Saeed Abolkheir or Bastam or Avicenna experienced.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Re: Brothers why do you hate your roots so much

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I hear that it is impossible to get into BNP if you have Iranian heritage.


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Hirre you are 100% correct.

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

That is something too many are not aware of, while IRI is very bad we have to be careful to not play in a way that we lose our independence. The Americans portray themselves as our friends and sadly they have no friends of their own because of their track record in pursuit of the American Dream.  Lots of Wisdom in your post & based on history. Kudos.


salman farsi

Brothers why do you hate your roots so much

by salman farsi on

For instance brother Khalili looks more Arab than Iranian. But what is wrong with looking like Arabs?

For an Islamic democracy


hirre

No slavery needed

by hirre on

You never want to go to war with America, because what will be the result is a modern form of slavery. First America will bomb every important infrastructure, then they will place their bases in the country. After a while America will give you loans for the rebuild process which you will not be able to pay in short terms and also they will take your natural resources during the process, as has happened in Iraq...

War = money, and America makes war for money, not democracy. The only thing that has stopped America from taking Iran is the iranian people and the projected mentality of the iranian people. If the US bombs Iran almost all iranians against/for the I.R. will see US as a common enemy. Some people unfortunately want war and they think Iran is free if the US is allowed to have bases in Iran and "democracy".

Democracy is only good if it delivers what is needed for a sustainable society, so far western democracy has been good for many western countries, but not all. In the case of Iran, if democracy is "introduced" by the US you will surely not see many economic changes due to the fact that the US wants a giant piece of the iranian money for its services, which is the right of the iranian people, not the US or the IR. This is seen i Iraq, soon Libya and other places in the world..

In order for the US to be great they need cheap resources and cheap labor from different countries and I'm not willing to sacrifice Iran so that americans can live the "american dream" while people in Iran are paying the price... It is harder to free yourself from the modern form of slavery than to get rid of the I.R. internally, never forget that...


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Amirparviz

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Oh yes the Chinese I forgot them; {sarcasm} must have been the Chinese. Maybe the Manchurian Candidate. You know they are very good at brainwashing :-)


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

VPK funny point you make about hate, has some truth to it

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You said "Of course each to their own bias. Those who hate Bush blame him. Those
who hate IRI blame IRI. Whatever is your pet hate blame them. The
antisemites blame Jews. I have no idea who was really behind it."  Me the same.

LOL, so we have the Americans, the europeans, the saudi's, the Iranians, the Iraqi's, the palestinians and to not be rude and forget them, the jews(who's neocons actually benfitted from the way they steered the response to 9/11)! What a list, most of it has to be blame too.

I say, we are living in a strange world today, more and more chaos, not less.  More and more tyranny, not less.  If you think Libya is a sure thing and peace, Love and freedom will take hold there, I think you are in the minority as many have strong reasons to doubt that.

The Lucky ones benefitted and will be the power are the chinese, who have no interest in these games, they are focussed on growth and development. 

 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

How about OBL

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

family relationships with GW Bush. Why did the family get flown out of USA. When no one else was allowed to fly. Who knows maybe just to get them out of the way. Maybe there was no bad motive.

Amirparviz is right these documents are political. I have heard more theories about 911 than makes sense. We are never going to know what happened. No more than we know about Kennedy.

Of course each to their own bias. Those who hate Bust blame him. Those who hate IRI blame IRI. Whatever is your pet hate blame them. The antisemites blame Jews. I have no idea who was really behind it.


Anonymous Observer

Amir Parviz - here, read this article

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and see how Bin Laden's family has been taken care of in Iran, albeit under quasi house arrest, perhaps so that they can be used as bargaining chips by the IR mafia at some point: http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/bin-ladens-daughter-allowed-to-leave-iran/

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

AO 9/11 commision is political.

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

Reminds me of Warren commission which was a joke too.

We even have CIA National Intelligence assessments that are even more political and a joke too, like Iraq has WMD program, like Iran stopped military element of nuclear program in 2007, these all are the end result of political decisions not the cause for these decisions.  The appointed directors do what they are ordered.

Back in 1970's before they betrayed the shah, they created one NIE report that shah was an unsteady ally and had the capability to betray and harm the USA, LOL now that goes to show you the extent of BS you need to let go of in order to have a non manipulated or deceived judgement.


Anonymous Observer

Amir parviz

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The relationship between the IR and Al-Qaeda is quite complicated and is on and off, depending what interest the relationship can serve at any given time.  Suffice it to say that post 9/11, Al-Qaeda felt comfortable enough to send a whole bunch of its high ecehlon to Iran, including high ranking members such as Seif Al-Adel and members of Bin Laden's immediate family.  Even the IR has not denied some of these reports.


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

I was reading today that Al-Qaeda is angry at iran

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15097317  Al quaed and Iran are ideologically competitors not friends, like USA and Soviets during ww2, once regimes common enemy goes these 2 are going to be at each others throats. 

9/11 was not carried out directly by iranian peoples, like it was by ordinary middle class saudi peoples who al quaeda recruited, if IRI assisted that is not to say it is representative of Iranians, IRI is a terrorist organization itself and is hated by a majority within Iran for staying in power through tyranny and terror. 


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

amirparviz Jan

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

If you leave it to some around here they will blame the Titanic on Iran as well! 


Anonymous Observer

Also, Amirparviz, you may want to read the 9/11 commission

by Anonymous Observer on

report to see the extend of IR's dealings with Al-Qaeda and its direct dealing with the 9/11 hijackers.  


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Re: See JK

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You are both welcome to post your opinions in my blog. I am not like some people who want to kick others off "their" blogs. 


JahanKhalili

Why I Value Anonymous Observer's Criticism

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To begin with, he's pissing off Iranians. Although he is anonymous, that still  takes some guts for an Iranian.

Although I rarely encountered any animosity towards me in Iran over my American heritage, I would like to point out where I agree with Anonymous Observer.

When I was in Iran, even the Islamic Revolutionary Guards (Sepah Pasdaran), Basij, and Komiteh members were exceptionally kind to me and I observed nothing worth taking seriously as far as anti-Americanism was concerned.

Even people who took me to demonstrations where people said "Death to America", then let me stay at their house and even tutored me so that I learned to speak, read and write Farsi. Whatever they meant by "Death to America", it didn't translate into any animosity towards me. 

However, I have encountered anti-Americanism among Iranians - from two groups in particular.

The one I've already mentioned: these were some of the kids at Iranzamin school who were supporters of the Shah, and who blamed America for the revolution (not themselves of course!).

The other were Iranian students and professionals who lived in America before the 1979 revolution.

Perhaps you all had forgotten about them, since you're all too self centered to explore outside of your own little bubble, but there were other Iranians in America who were in fact anti-American.

There are reasons why they felt the way they did.

Some obviously were angry about the 1953 coup.

Some were mesermized by Leftists politics, and with the Vietnam war drawing to a close and the 60s movements fresh in everyone's minds, there had been all kinds of criticism of America in the universities that many Iranian students were attending. This naturally provided ammunition to anyone who wanted to criticize America. 

Others were having an identity crisis while living in America, and at times felt like strangers despite their attempts to asimilate. Humiliation about being judged by another culture can make people resentful, and people can easily forget about the good things they are getting from it.

Iranians are also good at rumors, accusations and hysteria over boogeymen (witness yourselves as an example - I've so far been accused of many things here already that perhaps do not even deserve a response), so there was also suspicion about who was working for the SAVAK among many Iranian students.

Many Iranian students here were convinced that every odd Iranian who somehow didn't fit into their little clique was with the SAVAK.

I remember this stuff, because my father associated with Iranians, and as a kid I remember Iranians taking me aside and telling me not to talk to so-and-so because he's supposedly a member of the SAVAK.

Guess who they saw as the SAVAK's sponsor? America, of course.

I remember very well these Iranian students, and their appetite for anti-American propaganda.

They were looking to make common cause with every fringe group that was anti-American, such as the Black Muslims and socialist groups.

In hindsight, I now realize that those people were in some ways hypocritical because they had gotten their education in America - and many of them returned to America after trying to live in post revolutionary Iran and failing to stay there when they found that things there weren't suitable enough for them. 

And some of them maybe still can't admit that their returning to America is perhaps an admission that they were wrong about both America, and their own country and their own politics. 

I don't wish to imply that no one should ever criticize anything about America. I just think its fair to apply criticism the other way, as well. 


Anonymous Observer

Amirparviz - you don't have to agree with me

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You have every right to disagree.  It's a free country and a free forum.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

People in 1979

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

If I cound that would be 2011 - 1979 = 32 years ago. Most Iranians were not even around then. Not to mention many of those people regertted their mistake. Yes some Iranians 32 years ago made a giants mistake.

But that was 32 years ago. Do you blame Americans for Japanese internment; slavery. Do we want to blame them for bombing of Japan? If I recall AO was arguing against "whining". The same goes both way no whining about 32 years ago.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Regarding Missinon

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Paranoia is the main destroyer! AO I am not out on a mission to get you. I guarantee that. Besides if you recall I voted to bring RG back and welcomed him more than once.


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

AO your blog is an opinion I disagree with.

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IF 9/11 had been done by Iranians I would say you were right on.

But the reality is this was the act of Saudi people, and the other major source of terrorism is Pakistan people, the only terrorism from iran is the IRI itself not the people of Iran, so I disagree with your opinion.  As far as grievences go, crimes of imperialist USA are continuing "ongoing in the present moment" against Iranians by USA so I see legitimate grievances.


Anonymous Observer

Thank you for the wise words as usual TS-9-e gerami

by Anonymous Observer on

point well taken.  


Anonymous Observer

And the millions of people in the streets on Iran in 1979

by Anonymous Observer on

that brought the revolutaionaries to power were not the Iranian "public," but rather aliens from another planet.  

Furthermore, the taking of American hostages was not initiated by the public, but was commenced by radical revolutionaries receiving their orders from high ranking elements within the highest echeleons of the Islamic Government.

Keep passing the buck and not taking responsibility for your actions.  See where that takes you.  It has done you a lot of good for the past 32 years.

Talk about "intellectually challenged," or in this case, intellectually dishonest.   


Truthseeker9

AO jaan

by Truthseeker9 on

Please be very careful what you say and how you say it, people are on a mission here. Just write factually and ignore personal comments, however hard it is. Just write facts about the subject, you don't even have to address anyone. I hate to see what happened to RG happen to you due to familiar reasons. 


Anonymous Observer

See JK

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I was waiting for people who write blogs about bloggers being bullied to show up and admonish the abusive commenter below you to stop his abuse of the blogger (me in this case), but I had forgotten the hypocricy of the crowd that I was delaing with. Now I know better!


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

More baseless attacks

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by the usual crowd,.

I have posted many times using reason and evidence. That the premise of above accusations are wrong. Iranian do not hate Americans as most polls show. Iranian Americans by and large are law abiding citizens. Actions speak louder than words.

  • Q: How many Iranian Americans demonstrate against USA? How many burn American flags?  
  • A: None
  • Q: How many Iranian Americans go on the dole vs get a job
  • A: Vast majority get jobs and pay taxes.
  • Q: How many Iranian Americans committed treason against USA
  • A: None.
  • Q: What was the reaction in Iran to 911
  • A: Sympathy for America; candle light vigils in support of the victims: http://iranian.com/main/blog/jigsawnovich/cand...
  • Q: Who is the director of NASA Mars Mission:
  • A: Firouz Nader another one of those {sarcasm} "worthless Iranians"
  • Q: What does this all mean
  • A: Iranians do not hate America. The ones in America are valuable members of the society.

PS,

I am impressed JK & AO get along so well. If anyone read JK's other posts they will see what "personal" attacks mean!

 


Anonymous Observer

Very well said JK, very well said...

by Anonymous Observer on

Another Iranian characteristic: inability to accept the slightest criticism.  Just look at the comment below yours, and how this character resorts to personal attacks without discussing the subject of the blog. 


JahanKhalili

Iranians: A Bunch of Petty and Foolishly Vindictive People

by JahanKhalili on

For example, yourselves.

Look at all the things people have commented here.

Nothing in the article says as much about Iranians as you all do with your own conduct. 


Cyrus Khorasani

Absurd Accusation by the two bit Author of this Piece

by Cyrus Khorasani on

If anyone is proving frivulous and knee jerk it is not the Iranian people, but the original author of this highly condescending article.

I will remind the author that a survey undertaken in Iran several years ago revealed that approximately 75% of Iranians were in favour of improved Iranian-American relations. It is the clowns who run the country that see any rapproachment between Iran and the west as a threat to thier continued survival, and not a majority of the Iranian public that cast reckless aspersions on the Americans.

Yes there were some among the Iranian public who were anti-American in  the 1970s. They were, like many others appaled by American actions in Vietnam. Yet the thrust of the Revolution was not against America, but against the Shah who proved tragically inept in courting Iranian public opinion.

Furthermore, the taking of American hostages was not initiated by the public, but was commenced by radical revolutionaries receiving their orders from high ranking elements within the highest echeleons of the Islamic Government.


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