Ari Siletz

Marcy Maleki is so Hot

Did you all sing :

I feel Goodddddddddddd ... after you were done doing your Biddness?:))

Abarmard

Thanks humanbeing

Second Isaiah refers to Cyrus as the savior of Israel (interpreted as a prophecy). Isaiah 44:28, also 45:1. No mention of his being gay!

Also, read your homo iranicus essay when it first came out. Hillarious and insightul!

"persian" love

ok ari, yes, i am lucky to be able to read the original of greek literary sources, but you are equally lucky with the persian ones, even if that does not include avestan/pahlevi. just a matter of 'grass is greener'. i'm greedy. hope one day to be able to read persian literature. it's the autumn years that make it so difficult to promote language acquisition.

much of the greek literature we have is not secular. it has many cultic substrates and even literal readings; moreover, the mythological mode permeates most greek literature in sneaky and overt ways alike. drama was part of religious ritual; lyric poetry was developed for use at symposia, which were ritual events framed by prayers and sacrifices to gods, epic performance depended on the providence of muses.

thanks for the link to kenya. once np and i had an exchange on a political thread i think, about  (some) men and their war toys and fetish with weaponry, and i referred her to lysistrata, which of course she knew, and she referred me to this kenya story, which i didn't know about.

i think possibly part of the greek description of persians as gay is meant by these greeks as a backhanded compliment. i wish i had thought of including the greek take on 'homo iranicus' ('the persian man') in another blog of mine (don't know how to paste links, sorry). their take is not monolithic; xenophon's cyropaedeia draws a different picture than, say, aeschylus persae, and of course plutarch's life of alexander. there is a description of a lascivious persian queen 'arsake' in heliodorus 'aethiopica' a novel from 3rd c. ad. difference perspectives and filters.

didn't get the isaiah allusion.

Ari you brought childhood memories back

Thank you for that. You writing has magic.

"Greek" love

By the way, speaking of Lysistrata, Did you see this happen in Kenya last year?

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Glad Amarcord took you back, Rea. 

"Amarcord" sums it up pretty much

Thanks for bringing back memories of a young high school teacher.  Gee, was I mistaken at the time thinking they were children !

It's universal. ;o)

autumn leathers

was the one i chose, because it could be a name invented by nabakov. i didn't get into the details of the narratives. also, i thought 'autumn' describes my age relative to the students. in the autumn semester i had a class called introduction to greek poetry, and there were 8 guys and myself, it was taught in a small seminar room. lots of pent-up energy in there, even though i suspect that between a quarter and a third of guys who study classical greek are not straight. every tues evening 'informant' would tease me 'so how was the poetry class today?'.

any text in greek literature could be really stimulating. depends what you're after. lately i have been sinking into the beauty of plato phaedo, and it brings me a lot of solace, ok, that's not a turnon, but definitely a very strong emotional stimulus.

most platonic dialogues have tongue-in-cheek passages with teasing scenes which bear erotic undertones. the greek novels are some very romantic, others quite pornographic. same with lyric poetry. aristophanic comedy is very very dirty. in fact i usually don't teach it, it's too embarrassing in the student-teacher setting.

most private forensic speeches have passages narrating the crime being prosecuted or defended, which are like fiction. a well-known one is the first oration of lysias, about a guy defending charges of murder when he kills his wife's lover in flagrante delicto. the run-up is drawn out with tension and suspense, full of little details: the anatomy of an affair.

a really classy romantic passage, elegantly written, is the story of gyges and kandaules in herodotus book one, which features in the movie 'english patient'. another quite clever one is book six of homer's odyssey, or the homeric hymn to demeter which is quite violent and sinister in parts. and for male bonding, the iliad, especially achilles burying his beloved patroclus.

sorry this is so long, these are just a handful of examples off the top of my head.

ps the story by my 'informant' you ask about is not available in english, but if it ever is, i'll send it to you.

Azadeh

3. I assume the children don't live in the isolated farm community, and the trauma is the result of the social stygma.

4. Do you think the Catholic Church scandal also has to do with social stygma (sodomy cosidered an act of humilation among the boys' peers).

humanbeing

2.  "...the text i'm teaching is always a bigger turnon than them." Please post title of said textbook 

3. My favorite in the list is Rossana Encinas Brown who told the police she performed oral sex on the boy so he would not have sex with his girlfriend, the woman's alleged goddaughter. A Medal of honor to her for her protectiveness, and a bravery medal to the boy for trusting an oral sex partner with that attitude.

Ari

The social worker's observation is thought-provoking. Assuming that the boys were teenagers (based on the language you are using: "sleeping with",) I'm not at all surprised that the molested boys are doing better: they were foster children, i.e. originally devoid of their own parents' affection and stability, now *getting affection* in a sexual way (again assuming that no sadism was involved,) but still *affection* - a very important factor for self-confidence. Plus, going up in pecking order among the foster-boys, as the male sexuality is *always* perceived as positive while the female sexuality is judged according to specific circumstances.

My anecdote: I know of two cases of father-daughter incest among French-Canadian farmers who lived a relatively isolated lives and managed to keep the relationships a secret for a long while and where the daughters were not at all traumatised by their experiences (or so they said) - the only traumatised ones were their children, two of whom were in psychotherapy with me.

Azadeh

funny blog and thread, ari

it has made me smile.

btw, my male informant from 'the other side', whom i sometimes interrogate in order to extract top classified material on these and other matters of gender differences (poor thing) has often admitted that many men actually like being sex objects. but it never occurred to me to ask about boys, just grown men. all i know is, that he had a teacher when he was a 10 year old he really loved. he wrote a beautiful story about it, and it's not a black and white situation like in the fellini clip. he's doing wonderfully in his adult life.

our little toddler has the same name as the teacher. 

p.s. i sometimes teach classes full of young guys, and it does add some tension, but i'm no 'autumn leathers' (the funniest name in that list of women on trial). anyway, the text i'm teaching is always a bigger turnon than them.

glad the next installment of sherlock is coming up soon, too.

Azadeh

But here's my own anecdote. An experienced social worker friend told me that after a foster mom was convicted of having sexually molested her foster boys for decades, her office followed up on the boys. About 20 or so boys had been in her care over the years, and she had slept with 6 of them. The 14 unmolested boys had followed the routine path of not doing very well as adults whereas the 6 who had had sexual experience with their foster moms had steady jobs and higher levels of education (The social worker had not followed up on the status of the boys' relationships with their spouses or girlfriends.) When I asked why she didn't ask for a grant to see if these astounding stats are true for a larger population, her reply was "Are you kidding?"

Episdoe 8 of Sherlock Holmes coming up inside a week>

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Sorry to hear about your molestation sessions with Khanoum Maleki. She was certainly no Mrs. Robinson whose object of affection was a younger adult not a child for God’s sakes :-)) The good thing is that as adults we can transcend this kind of terrifying abuses anyway we want.

BTW, what happened to Sherlock Homles’ Daughter?

Cheers,

Azadeh

Pencils to draw manhood

We had a female teacher, for English. And, I remember in her classes  for some unknown reasons(!!),  the pencils used to fall down on the floor too often. We took turns for being in charge of  going on the floor to pick them up while staring at her thighs, and occasional peek at her panties. It was all to imitate a visual pleasure which was in fact still some years away from us.  

Pencil in question

Lucky Ari, this sounds very erotic. I would have been more careful with that pencil. 

Reverse Lolitas

  27 year old Science teacher Rebecca Bogard text message to teen student: "I love you, yeah it was the best, which night was the best 4 you, I'm sensitive but not sore, you were good."

34 year old Julie Pritchett, an Alabama teacher slept with the whole 8 member baseball team (and a few others apparently)!

Some explain the female teacher's psychology as a desire to go back to her own high school years and getting the "Carrie" out of their system by sleeping with the popular boys. 

Does this happen with pre-teen boys in the US? Some physical abuse by foster mothers can have sexual motives as may have been the case with "Khanoum Maleki." But I assume sexual pathologies are different in Iran. For example, the "Carrie" syndrome isn't really relevant in Iran.

By the way, "Khanoum Maleki" sorta looked like Marcy Fisher in the above list of reverse Humberts.

آقای آری

این خانوم معلم شمارو به عنوان مداد بین پاهای خودش فشار میداد.  فکرش رو بکن اون چه دردی می‌کشید. حتما بعدش هم جفتتون سیگار میکشیدین. 

Can't say I blame you Ari

I'd have talked my head off too during her class just to "endure" the punishment......In fact, I'd have never shut up!

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IRAN FIRST

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OOOOOOOOOOuf Ari Jaan ;0)

Now I have to admit That Was a Blasting MAdelaine. All the more that It comes in Pairs 2 ;0) 

DK

PS: Anahid Jaan Thanks ;0)

Dear DK, maybe it was just about Lavashak

Dear DK, Lavashak was so popular with Iranian kids that just the fact that she was eating it and you could not, was punishment enough.  I don't think there was anything erotic in it .  DK jan, I find your lavashak story very cute.

Darius, my Madeleine

The "don't blow! suck!"  scene from Amarcord is my "Madeline de Proust" trigger for the memories in this blog. I'm sure you know which scene I'm talking about. But here it is for folks who haven't seen it. The scene starts at 07:20 in the clip.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCBlEE-kx7c

Cute ;0)

Funny and sweet story Ari Jaan,

I recall one of my teachers whom I had a crush on, she was called Mrs. Sacket and was something of a Hippie and used to have an Iranian boyfriend artist.

She kept distributing LAVASHAK to us when we were kind. When we misbehaved Our punishment was to watch her suck on the lavashak while giving us a dictee and saying this is delicious while we were saliving ...

Was that some way of giving us a pre puberty erotic lesson ? ... I'll never know but whenever I eat lavashak it seems to have that "Madeleine de Proust" effect on me ;0)

No such luck....

Thanks for rubbing it in!!

Some guys have all the luck (Ari, Kamran)

Some guys have all the pain(Ali P.)
Some guys get all the breaks( JJ)
Some guys do nothing but complain...( hamsadeh?)

;-)

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuYvKLZXKhI

psycho-erotic teacher

that seems to be one weird punishment.  i can't even visualize it: legs between her thighs, face in her boobs, while she was administering the pencil punishment.  i've seen the pencil punishment and it was straightforward: stand in front of the teacher and he would just press the crap of someone's finger, tears, begging, .... but no boobs and lipsticks.  thank goodness it never happened to me, even if i had her as a teacher.

Fourth grade, oktaby

was it early or late elementary school?

You and kamran sound a bit too aware for elementary kids. That you still have him as a friend to discuss school erotica is plain enviable. I wish I still were in touch with my schoolmates from Nahal-e- No.

I wonder if Khanoom Maleki enjoyed the punishment as much as you did :)

OKtaby