Aynak

یک ۷ برای من لطفآ

چو ایران نباشد، تن من مباد

obviouse

Based on the past 100 yrs. struggles I would suggest 007 .       Maziar

ما جماعت خدا نکنه میکروفن یا کیبورد بلامنازع دستمون بیفته!

So true Majid !

I laughed loud.....

Don't forget you are at Iranian(.com )

آقایون.........خانوما......

فقط بین ١ تا ٩ نظرتون رو خواستند! چرا انقد روده درازی میکنین؟ کافیه یه عدد رو ذکر کنین، شتر سقط شد حاجی خلاص! 

ما جماعت خدا نکنه میکروفن یا کیبورد بلامنازع دستمون بیفته!

tally end of second day

3 more for option 7,

Comrade , YeahLikeWhatever , I am too much of a simpelton to understand your votes,   please just provide a number if you wish to be counted.    Kharmagas, did not know if you wanted to vote or not same goes for you.   Thanks for all the participation so far keep them coming 5 more days left.

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2 people voted for  option 6 (constitutional monarchy)

1 person voted for Islamic Republic 9

11 people voted option 7 (Jomhoury, fully elected system)

2 people voted for option 3 (however they like to take it).

1 Person voted against Mossadegh

Pirates of the Iranian Election! (to No Fear ......)

No Fear says: "Realpolitik ( political realism ) is not something you can find on an IC forum."

The
other day I was watching Pirates of the Caribbean. Several of the
scenes in this movie reminded me of Last year's election in Iran, this
part (//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EnOjGuQkNs&feature...)
and another good part (*) in which the dishonest Jack Sparrow confuses
the heck out of one with his idea about who is honest and who is
dishonest,  ..., as it relates to the Iranian election "we" all know that
the "only" dishonest pirate was Ahmadinejad and the honest side included:

The monarchists who voted for Mousavi because they honestly liked
him, Sazegar's camp who honestly loved the election and honestly
despised AIPAC, the honest humanists such as ET, Ari, Kazemzadeh....
who honestly have nothing to do with AIPAC (are just different shades of
green as Mammad called them), Obama, and Hillary Clinton who honestly
cared/care about Iranian people and honestly keep their nose out of
other countries elections specially the elections in Lebanon, Georgia
and Iran, Rafsanjani khodies who honestly care about the poor...

So, jenaabe NO Fear, I honestly think election was rigged and honestly
think Mousavi won, and honestly think there would not have been a green
rupture (Iran rapture) had the greens captured the power. I also
honestly think good greens (likes of Mammad) would have not been
cheated by honestly nationalist greens such as Sazegara, Makhmalbaaf, Monarchists...!

(*) Did not find the clip for that part

No Fear

1. Civil rights

2. Foreign policy

Also what are some of the explicit statements that have been publicly made by the "Ahmadinejad opposition" that confronts Khamenei's approach to the above issues? 

Aynak,

If by " peaceful walk " you mean the destruction of public properties, the breaking of local shops windows, setting cars on fire, throwing stone at the police, then perhaps what you mean by a democratic secular society is a society with a Quran burning festival when you can lynch mullahs behind your hillbilly pickup trucks.

I am not getting in to what happened after the election and who did what. But i ask you to remain objective about the events and try not to be influenced by emotions or personal prejudices.

However, lets look at this from a different angle ;

Once you advocate the removal of your political adversary by unconventional means, you can no longer be considered democratic. This is very similar to how IR ver.1.0 toppled the previous regime and how it removed a popularly elected president like BaniSadr. Its a formula out of other leftist revolutionaries who tried it successfully before, but it failed on its last attempt in Iran.

To a reasonable and shrewd political analyst , the similarities between the green movement and the early revolutionaries were striking. The methods were the same, the leaders were the same , even the slogans are very similar and points to a non compromised stand against their political adversary. like the below;

" Daneshjoo mimirad, zel lat nimipazirad"

The only thing out of the norm in the current IR history is not the green movement, but the emergence of Ahmadinejad and his backers ( IRGC ). These are completely new forces in our politics and they are doing new things. The fear of this group winning the election made IR ver 1.0 to plant a person like Mohsen Rezaie ( A respectable ex guard among the cadres) in the race to divide the camp and reduce the votes for Ahmadinejad. An unsuccessful attempt nevertheless.

Realpolitik ( political realism ) is not something you can find on an IC forum. ;) 

Re:Edit (explanation of this post, one more time)

Thanks for the  clarification Mehman.

I did not know there was a rule against editing the original post, but the survey had several choices that would have mapped to some sort of Islamic government.   The 3rd one would have been exactly like the 9th one.  So I erased it before posting the article.  

As the astute survey takers noticed immediately, they pointed out in their sweet and often humbling way (to the surveyer) the absence of 3rd choice, which for some also made it the most attractive option.   Even though absent that option, I thought the list was rather comprehnsive (except for an option that said, I dont care, I just hate Mossadegh for one of our lovely and persistant posters).

At any rate, the ever active posters had already made selections before I could even react, and this is barely 2 minutes after the poll was posted.

Renumbering was not an option, because then I would be charged with  changing people's vote and ....   Also this post is linked to other sites (so I truley use this as blog for other sites, that only allow links to be posted and then discussion) and not too surprisingly they had casted some votes in that short 3 minutes as well!!!  (guess we all like to vote).

To make a long story short, I changed 3 to no opinion, to clear confusion.  Alas apparently I only created more confusion, this time for iranian.com

Also I planned to post an English version as well later for the purpose of iranian.com readers some of whom are not able to read Persian.

My appologies to all for the glitch and all shortcoming,  I just felt a feed back on what we WANT rahter than what we dont want may be more constructive for a change.

Seven

Keeping the territorial integrity of Iran is essential in the face of separationist movements disguised as ethnic rights or federalism.  An elected president will represent that unifying element similar to a king but without the ever expanding corrupt court and courtier culture as experienced in Iran’s past history.

He is so loved for his legacy!!!

And what is that legacy? 

FR

Seven

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My comments have all body erased out of the post! Wow!

I had voted for Proportional Piping Active Pumping Representation a la Occam.And I'd written the sweetest post!

And my latest post, the contents got erased when I posted.

To the absolutely illiterate imbecile , who got my post deleted.

Go to school and learn to friggin read! Learn some basic Political Theory! So that you can understand adult references, you absolute imbecile!

"Last night I drowned in a puddle. And the puddle thanked me"

edit

I know why Comrade,

This blog was featured at first but since aynak edited it, it got unfeatured. I think it should be put back to featuring by the moderators.

هفت

A simple question...

Does anyone know why this blog has not got featured so far?

I think, it should.

I did not wait long enough to see #7 on top, before speaking up. Absolutely not.

Never increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.

No Fear/Rusta

No Fear:

The problem is, you have to explain why the "elected" government is affraid to give permission for a peaceful walk?   You think because at every street corener on any major ocassion there are hundreds of armed people who will not hesitate to beat and torture demonstrator, and later do worse, and BECUAE OF THAT FEAR many people are --currently-- quiet, that is a approval of the regime.

You are also wrong, in your interpretation of my sentiment toward Islam.

I believe in full personal right of any individual to whatever they believe.  I also never try to offend others people belief, at it is their own choice.  As long as they dont try to shove it down my throat.

I have defended the right of a person to --choose-- to wear a head scarf, but I do not see those advocating that attire, defending the right of those who choose not too, and that is their double standard.

At any rate,  you are confusing (and it is somewhat disengeous)the issue of Hindu's killing Moslems in India (not as a government endorsd policy but as one group of fanatics killing those they may not like) vs Pakistan officialy endorsing some form of Islamic government by the title of government.  (As soon as this happens, for a majority Sunni country, Shia's are treated in Pakestan like Bahai's are treated in Iran, and even worse, because adding the "Islamic" has effectively given a --Perfernce-- to one group over another).

Rusta:

I think your ideology, is effectively against  selection of leaders  to  be based on repeated election (and by extension, accountability), fundamentally because you do not trust people to make the right decision. Your animosity toward Mosadegh, hints at some other frustration.  He is so loved for his legacy after 40 years by so many,  and he was respected by even those who overthrew him.  Snap out of it.  

For those advocating change,

For those advocating change, I suggest you contact your elected Majlis representative.

You do have a duly elected Majlis representative- don't you? 

Let's focus on overthrowing this vile ilslamist khalifat , then.

Try the Khalifa Khamenei, his vazir Ahmadinezhad and a few more thousand Islamists who missed the last planes for Damescus, London, LA, Toronto for crimes of genocide, rape and terror against Iran and Iranians first, then answer this interesting question.

But as you asked, my answer is 7

Aynak,

Your resentment of Islam is evident and you don't need to sugar coat it before making a point here. I have heard worst.

I personally believe in the seperation of religion and states matters but what i believe doesn't really matter. What matters is what the majority of iranians would choose. Even if they choose Islam as their form of government, i will respect their wish and will try to bridge the gap between myself and the majority.

Therefore, mine or your personal feeling about Islam is irrelevent to the wish and will of the majority.

Your one sided arguement against Islam in India and Pakistan really doesn't change the outcome. ( It also lacks historic credibility, you may want to look in to the violence used by Sikh extremist against muslims before jumping on the Islam bashing band wagon). To pin the lack of technology advancement in Pakistan on its religion is a weak arguement, seriously.

In Iranian terms and politic,, I am a strong believer in our republic. It is up to our people to choose what kind of republic they want.

Wrong tally!

One person offered the 10th option. No vote was cast by that person.

FR

tally by the end of the first day

2 people voted for  option 6 (constitutional monarchy)

1 person voted for Islamic Republic 9

8 people voted option 7 (Jomhoury, fully elected system)

2 people voted for option 3 (however they like to take it).

1 Person voted against Mossadegh

You missed #10

حکومت دولت نما، اسلام پناه، خود مختار، پارلمان ستیز و قانون اساسی شکن (نظیر دولت مصدق)

FR

No Fear

Contrary to popular believe, "Islamic Republic" was not a terme created  by Iranian clerics, and the concept well predates 1979 revolution.   Islamic Republic of Pakestan was establsished shortly after split from India, back in 1950's.

It is interesting to note while India, carries the name "Republic of India"  and the Pakestan has the added "Islamic", the two nations are effectively the same in terms of culture.    But as far as rights are concerned the addition of Islamic has been a major cause of much killings in Pakestan, and against  minority --Moslem-- sects, like Isameelyeh as well as Shia's.    Once this --Islamic--suffix is added, then the question becomes, which Islam narrative is more correct.  

Today, even though both countries suffer greatly due to over population, I think there is no question that India, constitutes a much more tolerant society.   This has translated to a better prospect for future of India in terms of economy, where as Pakestan's future can not be described as bright by any stretch of imagination. 

اول و اول

اول و اول از همه باید دین از سیاست جدا بشه....و تحصیل لااقل تا کلاس ده اجباری بشه در کشوری مثل ایران با اون ذخایر نفت.

7 بر اساس واقعیت

7

بر اساس واقعیت های تاریخی در ایران و  تجربه 100 سال گذشته پس از انقلاب مشروطه، نظام های  مذهبی و ساطنتی حکومت های استبدادی بوده اند.   

 در ضمن پادشاهی در نظام های اروپایی سمبولیک بوده و قدرت دولتی و طریقه اداره این کشورها از طریق دمکراسی پارلمانی بوده. ما در کشورمان چنین تجربه را غیر از مقطعی کوتاه  نداشته و بجای آن حکومت مطلقه سلطنتی داشته ایم.  اگر هدف استقرار دمکراسی باشد راهی جز ادواری و انتخابی بودن  بالاترین قدرت دولتی نداریم

یک شرط مهم و لازم برای ساختن ایرانی آزاد، آباد و دمکراتیک و گذار از نظام های دیکتاتوری، ارتقا  شعور و خرد جمعی در باره فرهنگ دیکتاتوری است. لازم است با تمام توان در عین مبارزه با دیکتاتور به فرهنگ دیکتاتوری بپردازیم. 

7

what else?!

6

An optimally functional Iran will require a monarch even as a symbol of national unity. Without a monarch, the system has no Farr, and so it will fall to pieces and go every which direction.

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Zoroastrian prayer

Mehman is right: the REAL #3

جمهوری مطلقۀ سلطنتی به گونه فعلی، بدون انتخابات+ ولایت مطلقه فقیه

7

seems the most reasonable.