Aynak

Aynak,

I can't follow the way you present your arguement. No offense, but it is tainted with personal observations with very little facts to back it up.

Every single sentence of your post needs verification. But at the end you claimed it to be the truth.

I will politely exit this debate. Thank you for the exchanges.

No Fear:

You asked me questions I responded, I asked you question you ignored.   You can not answer why Forouhars were murderderd nor why their kids can not hold a simple funeral? 

Ahmadi-Nejad and Hojatieh form a different interest group than VF.   Old Gaurds don't see the need for VF anymore.   It is a matter of time.   However, that does not mean they want a more democratic, tolerable Iran.   All their actions prove that so far.   They are destroying Iran piece by piece.    I some times suspect Ahmadi Nejad is actually an agent of another country.   His actions have been the best service not to Iran but others.

Very simply put:   You can not be a useful leader, when at the same time you persecute your best and brightest.   From Ramin, to Mashaei, daneshjou, ... and Ahmadi Nejad himself to ....   these are all a bunch of idiots who have no business running Iran.   I know so much about Ahmadi Nejad personally, from his cheating even on his Doctorate degree to  alot of his private life... that can write books.    He is not a balanced person, if he is not an agent then he is just crazy.

I don't know if you are just an honest Ahmadi Nejad supporter or an agent, who are paid to support him.   But our country is going down the toilet in a way not too different than Saddam was leading his country down that path.

Fck Rafsanjani.   I know him to be a criminal and thief.   But this movement is not about Rafsanjnai.   This is about our country, its future, our people.   Every day, things are getting worse, and I have a daily contact with Iran.  There are numerous companies, emplying as few as 10-15 to 700-1000 who are all closing shop thanks to Ahmadi-Nejad and idiotic policies.

He is basically taking IMF austarity mearusres and shoving it down our middle class and the poor.   Screw green, forget Mousave, think about Iran and our people.    Nothing they are doing is helping the country.

There is a group of 10-12 kids I know at University level (some pre-Danesh Gah some post), they all want to flee the country.   There is a huge atmosphere of hopelessness and helpnessness.   You just have to have family or know people to verify these for yourself.

And that is the Truth.

این نسناس مضلف اصلا انارشیست بوده و هست

Aynak,

Mousavi's (or  Karoubi ? ) election campaign manager was Karpaschi who is a founding member of the Kargozaaran organization headed by Rafsanjani. The entire campaigns of Karoubi and Mousavi were managed by people who were members of " Kaargozaaran e sazandegi ".  An association which supports Rafsanjani's political and economical views.

It is safe to assume if rafsanjani helped these two so called reformers in their campaign, finiancial aid must have been given as well. Since karoubi is very wealthy, this aid must have been given to Mousavi out of the Azad university account.

There is also the connection between Mehdi Hashemi ( son of Rafsanjani ) with the events followed after the election. The allegation against Mehdi Hashemi is so severe that he refuses to come back to Iran. Ofcourse, he was supporting the green movements along with his sister , Faezeh rafsanjani.

Until recently, Mousavi was sitting on the board of directors of Azad University. This board only consists of Rafsanjani's very close allies since it controls vast amounts of funds and money.

Karoubi and Mousavi have been present at many meeting of the powerful " expediency council " headed by Rafsanjani. Ironically, Ahmadinejad who by constitution must be present at this council, refuses to attend it on most of the occasions.

The evidence is all around you. I can't understand why green supporters are so blind to the fact that the most corrupt politician in Iran is the main backer , both financially and politically , of their movement.

Why do you think in the recent presidential election, we saw Mohsen Rezaie thrown in the mix of candidates by the Guardian Council ( under VF orders )?  Isn't Mohsen Rezaie a respectable EX guard? Didn't the "system" know that the guards are voting as a bloc for Ahmadinejad?  Why divide Ahmadinejad's votes by introducing Mohsen Rezaie in the mix?

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Look at today's situation in Iran's politics. Ahmadinejad has defied direct orders from VF many times. He has destroyed the political image of Rafsanjani and he has some of the main players of IR version 1.0 on the run.  Does he look like an ideal candidate for the "system" to you?  Shouldn't an ideal candidate be like proven lap dogs who's loyalty has been tested before, like Mousavi and Karoubi?

Commemoration service for Forouhars opposed by IRI

Payvand Iran News ...

Parasto Forouhar reports that Iranian security forces have told her that she is not allowed to hold the commemoration service of her parents, prominent Iranian political figures, Daryoosh Forouhar and Parvaneh Eskandari.

Jaras reports that Parasto Forouhar has announced that despite the "threats from the authorities", the commemoration service for her assassinated parents will indeed be held at the House of Freedom (home of Daryoosh and Parvaneh Forouhar).........................

//www.payvand.com/news/10/nov/1174.html

Re:Hypocrisy has no limits

"And please, don't insult my intelligence by blaming the fourohar's death
on the " system". Ask yourself who was in power that time? who came out
and announced he oppose the killings but later facilitated the hush
hush killing of the only witness with"

I remember very well.   There was an Abdollah Nouri who was the secretrary of state, whose brother was also murdered in a "car accident".    Hajarian, was the brain behind the reform movement, do you remember what happened to him?  He was shot from point blank in the head, and became paralized.    And of course in the same time frame, there was an edition of the newspaper Bahar (in Khatami camp) that was fabricated and gave the news of Khatami's assasination.   This was to put the fear on that side, and it worked. 

Rafsanjani was never in the reform camp, but his own pocket camp. 

In my view the reformer times, in spite of its numerous shortcoming was headed in correct direction, that is why your boss in the basij and Rahbar could not stand it.  

After the last election, however,there is no hope for further reforms within this system.   In my view, so long as different views (even though they did not necessarily represented mine) were present, the system was still viable.   It was making progress, albeit slowly.  The slogan was:   Iran for all Iranians! Islamic Regime was at a cross road in the last election.   As we can see between the contradiction of "Islamic" vs "Republic" one had to win, and it has since been settled.

What is it in the notion of people deciding in an un-filtered election
who they want, that is so scary to you.

What is it in the notion of people having access to internet that scares you so much?

You are the hypocrite, for coming on this site when the system you support in Iran blocks this very same site.

لا کن، این خط ما ، ادامه خواهد داشت( امام خمینی)

البت من از توی گور بیرون خواهم آمد و تو گوش این نسناس مضلف، کوروشی،
میزنم. هم تو گوش خودش و هم تو گوش اون دوست پسرش  مشایی. مکتب ایران غلط
کرده، مکتب شده! این کوروش با جهودها رابطه داشته ، سعی هونیست  بوده، اون
خلخالی خودمون کتاب نوشت، ثابت کرد کوروش ساواکی بوده ، من تو دهان این ها
میزنم

حزب  فقط  حزب الله
رهبر فقط  روح الله

کفگیر برادارن

نسناس مضلف  اکبر
ضحاک تریاکی  رهبر

کفگیر

قبرستانی بنام «خط امام»

و زندگان و مردگان يكسان نيستند خداست كه هر كه را بخواهد شنوا مى‏گرداند و تو كسانى را كه در گورهايند نمى‏توانى شنوا سازى (آیه ٢٢ از سوره ٣٥ در قرآن)
مو سوی و خامنه ای و غیره در گو ر های خود صدایی را از خارج نمی شنوند.  

All the orders for Forohars' assasination, Poyandeh, Mokhtary

and every single other one came directly from Khamenie himself with his closet-homosexual son Modjtaba as "the man"  in charge,

" Saied Emami was portrayed as the culprit, ( although he was doing all of
this under "guidance" of Modjtab Khameni, the two also had a trip to
London as well, where Modjtab opend a bank account there) consequently
Emami was killed in prison"

At that time Emami was working directly under Khameni and doing everything he could to make Khatemi look bad and disfunctional ( not that anybody really needs to put much effeort into that, Khatemi has always been disfunctioanl) . Your bosses in Sepah Jakeshan are doing their best to push Rafsanjani out of the picture,  a sort of chewing him out.

The irony is that Refsanjani was the one responsible for Sepah Jakeshan's initial expansion and extension into civilian life. Anyhow, Rafsanjani, and more importantly Iranian people are TOO BIG for anyone to push aside, or chew-down, you'll simply end up choking on it.

Happy dying.

Hypocrisy has its limits.

How could you blame me for supporting this system ( IR ) when the ones you support such as Mousavi and Karoubi are the founding members of IR along with their dog master, Rafsanjani?

What the hell are you talking about?

Your support of Mousavi indicates that you are well aware of the the different factions within IR and you have chosen a side to support. If this is the case, how could you define IR as a unified system that must be opposed as a whole ? 

And please, don't insult my intelligence by blaming the fourohar's death on the " system". Ask yourself who was in power that time? who came out and announced he oppose the killings but later facilitated the hush hush killing of the only witness with hair removal?

Yes, it was Khatami. Before Khatami it was Rafsanjani and before him, it was Mousavi who were in power. Only a fool is so blind not to see who were the fourohars opposing. Now you are supporting the very same people responsible for the killings and blaming it on the " system".

What a fucking joke. LoL

Thanks Aynak for the detailed response

and yes, you are very clear, and I agree with all your points. The way Mr Mousavi, and more importantly Mr Karoubi have challenged and exposed the regime since the sham of "election", has been tremendous. Any more help from them or indeed any other person within the regime with a shred of love for Iran and it's people left in him is always appreciated by us will be appreciated by themselves when the trials of the murderers and torturers of Iranian people begins, not in so distant future.

 Where I and you might differ in views is how we believe this dictatorship of "khodies" in Iran could be removed and replaced with a government not of Shah or Sheikh, but a government of Iranain people regardless of their ethnic, religious backgrounds or political views.

Thanks again for your excelent blogs.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Re: Removing Maghane and home scholling

Dear Mehrban,

I have a dream, that all Iranian women shave their heads and come to the street without scarf.

I have a dream, that all Iranian men would do the same for sympathy, to show the absurdity of these laws.

I have a dream, the minute they took one person for "improper dress" all others would lie in front of the Basij car and not let them be taken away.

.......

Re: Mousavi opposition leader

Dear Roozbeh,

My 2 cents in leadership, is that we have a wrong view of it.

First there is no singularity in leadership.   That is to say, when a person like Khomanee is the "leader" of all, that means fundamentally there is something wrong with the movement.    I try to avoid using the phrase "people" as I don't believe that is a singular entity either, as much as many of us believe in casually saying, "that's what people of Iran want" instead of saying "that's what I/we (as a group) want".

So when it comes to leadership, we must stop thinking in terms of one size fits all leader.  In that regard, even Khamanehee is the leader to a segment of the socieity.  The problem isn't that, the problem is that when a leader for a segment  tries to outplace all others and deny the basic rights of the others by eliminating them.   By that token, --the people he represents-- are trying to outplace, gain more advantage over --all others-- in the society.   The current system in Iran is perfect example of this mis-representation.  

As such, Mousavi  represents a percentage of Iranian peoples view.   Whatever that percentage is, he has a leadership role proportional to that.   Neither you or I can deny that. Regardless of how good/competent he may or may not be.

Now, in Iran leadership has been further divided to two segments:  Khody and Na-Khody.   That is to say the former does not even consider the right of existence for the latter.   (This is also not new, but just a fact for instance look at previous regime).

As it happens the Khody in Iran, are further trying to kick a portion of themselves (i.e Mousavi camp) out as well.   In this regard, I have two choices:

1-Now that Mousavi is being kicked by the other side, we could kick him as well (if I thought this helps in my end goal of having a democratic Iran I would too, but you have to show me how?).

2-Or we could push him beyond his comfort zone, by asking him to use his still unique position as a Semi-Khodi in Iran, who has not been murdered like Forohars to come out and condemn these action.  (This I believe help Iran and the cause for more tolerance, and one reason to write him a letter).

Looking from this view, Mousavi is not playing a leadership role at least for me, but I still can challenge him to promote better views.

The Colrollary to that would be, I have written to Reza Pahlavi to abdicate the throne.  Do I think of him as my leader?  No.  Do I think he represent a segment of our society?  Sure.   I hope I made my point clear.

Dear Aynak

If I may I want to share one of my fantasies with you.  I sometime think that what if the day that maghnaeh became mandatory for iranian school girls, what if just what if Iranian families refused to send their daughters to school with that costume of servitude and maybe commenced in home schooling.  This is just a fantasy but it is a nation that I hope for in the future.  A nation that can say NO!

Re: Parastu for president

Dear Mehrban(that is Merban twice) :)

I think a democratic Iran is ripe for a female leader.   In my last visit during election of 2008, I witnessed so many brave women --ahead-- of men, in streets and on roof tops chanting Death to Dictatorship.

No wonder the likes of Nasrin Sotoudeh, Bahareh Hedayat  and so many more women activists are in prison  at the forefront of progressive movement of Iran.  Islamic Regime is scared shit of them, because to grant them their rights is the end of their oppressive system.

Parastu is an excellent orator, one of her many great qualities and I would hope I see an Iran where she is on the ballet, she would certainly get my vote too.

Thanks for another good blog.

 I believe that Mr Mousavi never was and never will be a good opposition leader, regardless of his intentions. He is as much a leader of the Green movement as Ahamdi is the pesident of islamist regime. On the other hand there are many bright, young, brave and determined candidates for the leadership of Iranain people's movement to overthrow the islamist regime. We must remember that no fascist dictatorship will just walk away from power and all the goodies which come with it. Islamist regime is no exception. This regime can and will be overthrown by the Iranian people with Iranian leadership, the kind of leadership willing to put it's life on line, and there are many good candidates there already. The good news is that the isalmist regime, corrupt and rotten to the core, has lost any shred of legitimacy in the eyes of Iranain people since the massive fraud of so called "presidential elections" of 2009. Regime's only solid support base are it's paid agents. As we can see quite a few of them have already ran away from Iran to the west and spend their time "fighting" with "no fear" for the regime, from the safety of their keyboards on iranian.com!

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Aynak jaan

Can't say they have not been efficient in eliminating rivals.    Is it not our society that tolerates it?  Sorry I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade.  I personally would vote for Parastou Forouhar as President. 

Re: on leadership

No Fear:  I am not sure what qualities you are looking for in leadership.   Personally I prefer very mild, very LIBERAL leaders who would stand up for their principles, at the same time,  have teflon qualities.   I.E they don't stick to power like there is no tomorrow, even though they supposedly fear an after life (i.e Khomanee and Khamaneh  are the worst example of leadership)

For heavens sake, do you not feel ashame as a person who unequivacally support this system, that a 60 years old lady who was ill, in her home was stabbed to death along with her husband -- By Government "security" Agents--?    Forget leadership, what is the definition of humanity to you?  Can you imagine your own mother or father each stabbed 20-40 times in the back and face, in their own home?  

Now they deny their kids even a memorial service?   Parastu the daughter of the murdered Forouhars, is frequently harassed just for visiting her home country, to attend her parents memorial.   In your view, in such safe atmosphere, can you really hold a philosophy debate?   

Please read a bit of what Poyandeh and Mokhatri wrote, and tell me if they deserved to die.  How could this system have a philosophy debate when the like of Poyandeh and Mokhtari are murdered BECAUSE of their philosophy?

MRX jan, not sure what you're smoking but

Parvaneh Eskandary  and Daruish Forohar ( RIP) were killed during what became to be known as " Chain Murders, GHATL'HAY ZANJERIEHAY " during Khatemi's presidency. Saied Emami was portrayed as the culprit, ( although he was doing all of this under "guidance" of Modjtab Khameni, the two also had a trip to London as well, where Modjtab opend a bank account there) consequently Emami was killed in prison. During all this Musavi was still in his 20 year hiatus.

You do have a valid point that Mussavi, and probably the entire "Green" movement, are there as "saftey valves"  SOPAP ETMINAN for IR.

They killed Musavi's own nephew and what did he do ( I'm sure he must have cried a lot, other than that) not a damn thing! cheers

For all we know

Opium fested mousavi may have orederd the killing himself! You are asking a wrong person for justice. on the other hand I have been asking khomeini and his assoicates for thirty years now: where is the free housing, free utilities, free stuff that was spromised?

پسر بچه ای ترسو

خجالت هم خوب چیزیه ، تو چطوری روت میشه راجع  به " انتخابات " صحبت کنی ،
با عکس یه نسناس مضلف که رای مردم رو دزدید و بهشون گفت خس وخاک ؟!؟! خیلی
وقیح و بی شرمی.

ای جلاد  ننگت باد.

aynak, ( on leadership )

I really liked the positions you took in your last paragraph and your expectations from a current politician in Iran. It will be interesting to see whether Mousavi does have the qualities that you rightfully mentioned.

However, may i also add that we must question our relationship with our politicians too. Do we elect them to lead us all the way to the promise land on a fast track course ( same relationship between a subject and a marjae taglid ) , or do we elect them as a tool to move the events forward?  You dig?

Once you understand this concept, it becomes evident that Mousavi lacks not only the ability to lead, but also incompetent enough by not having any push or pull effects on Iran's political events.

One a different note, I clicked on your link and read the story on Forohars. But i couldn't resist not participating in the poll published on rahesabz website in regards to Unisco boycott of Iranian seminar about philosophy.

The results of this poll is very telling. Obviously, the poll is mostly taken by the followers of the green movement who visit this site. Doesn't strike you as odd that over %88 of the voters supported the boycotting of a seminar which advocates debate and communications between different philosophies?  ( My point is the mindset of these supporters who can't see further than the tip of their nose ).

if you are asking the right questions, how could you look for the wrong answers?

Down with IRI/IRR

& all who are affilaited with this regime.

No memorial allowed by Islamic Regime police for Forouhars

//www.rahesabz.net/story/27423/