BoosBoos

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statira

You know I oppose IRI and very much so but I don't like these accusations. Why not attack the message and not the messenger. I don't know if BoosBoos is an IRI sympathizer or not. No more than if MK is a MEK sympathizer. I said I take MK for his word so why not take BoosBoos at her word. 

I also read the link BoosBoos provided and I am not buying it. There is no criticism of IRI in it nor does it condemn the arrest of Iranian people. So I would hope we get something better than that in condemnation of IRI actions against Iranian people. On that account I agree. In fact we should have more reporting of Iranian victims of IRI.

Iranians in America should be treated no different than anyone. I don't know if buying goggles is legal or not. Or if there is a limit to the number. I generally make sure what I buy is legal. I wanted to order a Persian rug from overseas. I phoned the DHS and was told importation is illegal. They guy was very nice. He suggested I find one that is already in the USA and there will be no problems. So I did that and now I have my legal rug and no trouble. 

BoosBoos

Where did you get your law degree? Hoze Elmieh Ghom?

Anyone with least common sense can tell you are an Islamic regime sympathizer. So you think in U.S no Iranian should be tried for any crime just because they are Iranians and work for the interest of the Islamic Regime? Smuggling goods and opium might be okay for the members of the Sepahe Pasdaran under the Isalmic Sharia and in Iran but it's not okay here.

VPk

You're a nice man. Dont fall into BoosBoos' trap.

BB: You must be on drugs

The combination of your 'name' Boos Boos (everytime I write it, it sounds more vulgar and revolting), and your 'response" would make a very sad case. You need serious help.

RG

In America you are entitled to a lawyer and a jury trial. The prosecutor or judge may chose to dismiss a case not worth the money. I have a friend who is a prosecutor. He told me of many cases which are dismissed because they are not worth a trial. For example he told me of a "drunk in public" case. The guy went to court and demanded a jury trial. My prosecutor friend decided to drop the charges. However if he had proceeded you bet they guy would have had a jury trial. 

Yes the American tax payer myself included pays for it They also must serve in juries: I have. It is a part of the deal of living in America. No one is forced to live here. In the case of Sharzad they could have dismissed the case avoiding the need for a lawyer or trial.

Answer

by Mash Ghasem on Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:29 AM PDT
" You still haven't answered the question: when and where are you going to defend Iranian Political Prisoners in Iran? "

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Oh yes I have ... here:

//iranian.com/main/blog/boosboos/iranian-mccarthyism-spies-house-love 

Dear Yolanda

You are IRI's big clown here! We are laughing at you!

I thought we were  discussing a civil tone on the other blog, This is not a civil tone you are using. It discredits you more than your opponent. Why attack the person and not the argument? 

Statira

So you two think there is no difference between justice system in  the Islamic Republic of fear and the U.S justice system.

Where did I say this; please provide a reference. What I said about "Ghezavate Konsoli" was about "Civil" cases where a British and an Iranian got into a dispute in Iran. The British "required" the verdict be given by the British console. This was in the Ghajar days. Guess how the verdict went? In those cases if I were the Iranian person you bet I would not have wanted the British counsel to be my judge.

As for the rest you are putting words in my mouth. I already said we should be concerned about the hundreds of Iranians in Iran. By the way I do not think these "hikers" are innocent. They crossed a border illegally. People get shot for doing this. I used the example of the Berlin wall. 

Nobody here care for the American Hikers the same way we dont  care x any Iranian who commited a crime and has to be tried.

I don't understand the above sentence. But what I see is a huge deal made over these so called hikers and nothing said about Iranian prisoners in Iran. So yes I would say that it is pretty clear where the priorities are. People want to condemn the IRI and are using the hikers as an excuse. I condemn the IRI but I don't need to use the hikers. I condemn the IRI for its actions against my own family! As well as Iranian who are clearly innocent and did not violate any laws.

BoosBoos

Could you please provide a link to the newspaper article on your blog?

BB: You still haven't answered the question: when and where are

you going to defend Iranian Political Prisoners in Iran? A civil tone would be appreciated. For a Law professional that shouldn't be hard.

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You are IRI's big clown here! We are laughing at you!

Just ask yourself who believe you here except yourself?

Wow! You have a law degree....you lie a lot, but not a good liar!

Your lies are so easy to debunk! You don't even believe your own lies, so stop posturing here!

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Please get your lies straight! 1st you said this lady was put into jail without a trial.....and then, you said she had a trial, but without a lawyer....the truth is that she had a trial and lawyer, but she decided to represent herself and she wanted to outsmart the system......come on, get your story straight.....you lie so much that you have lost track your lies or you have Alzheimers!

IRI's cyber army is doing a terrible job here! They really make IRI look worse and fail to win anybody over!

' Iranians Automatically Lie For Iranians '

Is that what this site has become?  A pretext to denigrate Iranians with absurd stereotypes?  A mother of 2 young kids gets her double-jeopardy rights violated (she is held to answer a criminal case in two countries for the same offense supposedly based on what her husband planned; she is abused in prison, disallowed family visits, and left to represent herself ... and this is the attitude people have !?      ---------------------   

  ---------------------  Everyone reading this knows they would be laughed out of every neighborhood in Iran if they said what is quoted above.  Wow!

Mash Ghasem jaan, for the answer to your question to BoosBoos

Please refer to my first comment on (the page 1 of) this blog.

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How about all those Iranian Political Prisoners in Iran

when and where are we going to defend them?

I would like  Boos Boos (the more I write that avatar name, the more vulgar and revolting it sounds) to respond, please?

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Hi! Statira and RG,

   Well said! Thank you for the great posts!

Roozbeh, that's not what you read

 She was convicted TWICE in TWO different countries for the SAME alleged OFFENSE.  She DID NOT HAVE A LAWYER in the U.S.   

This is what happened to the evidence:

"[Investigator:]  At the time, I believed it was recorded. Did I check to see that the equipment was functioning? That someone pressed record? I requested assistance from the Austrians to provide the evidence. I couldn't demand it. I could only ask for it." Later, Kriske (the investigator) contradicted himself, saying he didn't record the meeting because it would have been illegal under Austrian law.

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by Roozbeh_Gilani on Wed Aug 24, 2011 08:59 PM PDT

Well reading most of the comments it seems that this lady got a proper trial in an open court with a defence lawyer (paid by hard working austrian tax payers??) and all bells and whistles which the legal system of a secular democracy offers.

To VPK and Boosboos

So you two think there is no difference between justice system in  the Islamic Republic of fear and the U.S justice system. I wonder if you had a choice to get tried for something in one of those courts, which one you choose?

Nobody here care for the American Hikers the same way we dont  care x any Iranian who commited a crime and has to be tried.

BoosBoos is not concerned about thousands of innocent Iranians who get prosecuted by the Islamic regime, he is more concerned about a guilty Iranian who is busted by the U.S system.

Well reading most of the comments...

It seems that this lady got a proper trial in an open court with a defence lawyer (paid by hard working austrian tax payers??) and all bells and whistles which the legal system of a secular democracy offers.

These American kid hikers on the other hand were "tried" according to the "laws" of islamist republic of hell. So nuff said on that.

having said all that, they should consider themselves very lucky to be american. If they were iranian political activists, they'd have been raped , tortured and hanged as narcotics dealers by now. 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

hypocracy

here and there and we cann't do nothing about it.

I'm not going to say any thing about Iranian court system For or against.

The u.s laws prohibit the privat citizen to engage in Imp/Exp of a lists of Military stuffs to places like Iran and recently added even Persian carpets AKA flying B52!

however those couple sadly choose the greed logic to fly all the way to vienna for completing the transaction and were caught red handed (If she could afford a lawyer) the entrapment would gave her a free card to leave the court

But she choose the public defenders deal and plead guilty hoping to leave the next day.

Basicaly one greeder to another she got screwed twice one by her ex  then by the u.s daddy.

hope they all be free soon ;she from florida and them 2 from evin.

Maziar

+1 to VPK

"by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Aug 24, 2011 07:51 PM PDT

... Because Iranian courts were considered "incompetent" to judge a Briton. I think that mentality has been deeply ingrained in the mind of some specially older generation westernized Iranians. They automatically put Westerners above Iranians. This mentality had a lot to do with the revolution. ... That was one of the main reasons for [Khomeini's] popularity: he was perceived to have stood up to America."

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100% correct VPK: and what the people here don't seem to realize is that unless you have a substantively fair standards of International Law the motivating force to rebel against the West will still exist.

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 "  by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Aug 24, 2011 07:51 PM PDT IRI is killing Iranians by the hundreds. Yet Iranians on IC are more worried about 2 hikers! When not even America itself seems to particularly care!  "

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America doesn't actually care about human rights - that's a part of the problem - it openly ratified the killing of the pro-democracy protesters (a majority of voters) in Bahrain by the Saudis (their #1 ally).   And so the Iranian government has previously used strong-arm tactics too - if it doesn't, it becomes a losing strategy in many ways.  What is happening is that all of the governments are basically doing the same thing - there's a cause and effect (or a cycle).  Unless justice is uniform, even, fair and equal among nations, you'll always have this type of dynamic.  That's what I've tried to get across to people.   

Gezavate Konsoolie

I remember reading about this in school. The British subjects in Iran got to settle their disputes with Iranians by going to the British consulate. Because Iranian courts were considered "incompetent" to judge a Briton. I think that mentality has been deeply ingrained in the mind of some specially older generation westernized Iranians. They automatically put Westerners above Iranians.

This mentality had a lot to do with the revolution. Many more traditional people wanted to give the finger to the west. To prove they are not "less" than the west. Khomeini despite his evil symbolized and embodied this feeling. That was one of the main reasons for his popularity: he was perceived to have stood up to America.

The hiker situation reminds me very much of the same. IRI is killing Iranians by the hundreds. Yet Iranians on IC are more worried about 2 hikers! When not even America itself seems to particularly care! When I see the same indignation shown about Iranians prisoners in Iran then I will take the "hikers" more seriously. Take my word the only place I hear about them in USA is on IC.

very disturbing

"  by statira on Wed Aug 24, 2011 06:38 PM PDT What in the world he was going to do with all those goggles?  "

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The husband was most likely going to make some money; but why blame the wife ?

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 "  by statira on Wed Aug 24, 2011 06:38 PM PDT The  lady pleaded guilty by herself w/o being tortured or going to solitay prison. "

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Statira

How many times do I have to say: I plan to read up on it! I don't have time now but will get around to it. The issues are totally different anyway.

The hiker thing is crossing a border without papers. This is an entirely different matter. No one said anything about smuggling. The real crime of the "hikers" was being stupid. That is why Americans do not care about it. Neither do I to be honest!

I gather the Sharzad issue was a matter of illegal export right? So why don't you guys let me do my reading and be done with it.

Yolanda and VPK

Thanks Yolanda jan for the link. And VPK you need to read Yolanda's link. This woman's ex smuggled 3500 night visions. What in the world he was going to do with all those goggles?  Btw, the  lady pleaded guilty by herself w/o being tortured or going to solitay prison.

For American hikers, if they actually smuggled something illegal the way that Iranian lady did, thay would have got death penalty. The fact that they just got 8 yrs in prison shows that IRI's islamic court could not find any evidence against them except walking on the border.

You're welcome VPK / Iranians making their bed ...

"  by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Wed Aug 24, 2011 04:41 PM PDT  Thank you for writing this blog and bringing her plight to our attention. ... I am bothered that so many people automatically assume she is guilty. While at the same time assuming the hikers were innocent. " -------------------   Yes it bother's me too.  For justice to exist it has to be even-handed -- if someone imposes one set of standards when it benefits them, and another set of standards when it doesn't benefit them; it creates a master-slave relationship and not international justice.  On issues of national security that's very dangerous (and my concern has nothing to do with who rules Iran now ... the same will hold true in 100 years).     The other thing I worry about is that the expatriate community -- by being uncritical of the facts concerning the verdict against the Iranian woman -- is really sending the message to people that don't like Iranians to use these same sorts of tactics against them and their families in the future.   Today it's this woman, tomorrow it's their daughter standing in Federal court with a prosecutor calling attention to the fact that she wears "makeup and jewelry" and came from a country with "Muslim traditions."  You know what I mean?    And still yet, all many people can say is "You support the Mullah's rapist regime of Hezbollah thugs with big beards ...."   It's the same drivel as always.     

Faramarz

I am watching you, so you better not jump all over the map!

Would you please explain what you mean by this statement? I very much like to know what you mean specially by "I am watching you". 

I said I did not know what happened and I don't. I had not even heard of this until a few days ago. I have very reasonably said I plan to do my home work and learn about it. Not from you rather from various sources such as publications and public records. Do you object to that? If you do then that is a shame since more people should educate themselves before making statements. Or would you prefer if I just made up my mind without even bothering to figure out what it is all about.

PS,

I find you references to the writer of this blog offensive. 

VPK

I am watching you, so you better not jump all over the map!

This lady got a trial in bright day light, with lawyers and the free press there. She first pleaded guilty to a 1.5 year term, then the judge said that he made a mistake and the jail term is a year longer. She rejected the plea bargain and went on trail and decided to represent herself.

Her line of defense was basically this, "Iranian men are like this and that, and Muslim culture is like this and this, therefore I did not know what my ex-husband was doing!"

And she was not being prosecuted for selling magnifying glasses or binoculars as Mooch Mooch is suggesting.

Now, put this case next to the case of these college kids who were in a tourist area, not a war zone, and ventured close to the Iranian border; solitary confinement in notorious Evin, no family visit, no charges, secret trials, promises of release and all other psychological tortures that the regime is well known for.

Please!

Here is another one of these cases! Missiles parts for money!

//www.radiofarda.com/content/f12_californian_...

Just one thing

Given that almost all electronics are made in China why not get it from them? China has been very willing to provide IRI with anti-crowd hardware. Why would IRI need to go anywhere other than right to the factory that makes it.