USA CONSIDER'S DIVIDING IRAN

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USA CONSIDER'S DIVIDING IRAN
by BoosBoos
27-Aug-2011
 

Excerpt From the Unites States Armed Forces Journal

 

(Proposal to Divide Iran)

R. Peters U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel

2006

" The U.S. and its coalition partners missed a glorious chance to begin to correct this injustice after Baghdad’s fall. A Frankenstein’s monster of a state sewn together from ill-fitting parts, Iraq should have been divided into three smaller states immediately. We failed from cowardice and lack of vision, bullying Iraq’s Kurds into supporting the new Iraqi government — which they do wistfully as a quid pro quo for our good will. But were a free plebiscite to be held, make no mistake: Nearly 100 percent of Iraq’s Kurds would vote for independence.

As would the long-suffering Kurds of Turkey, who have endured decades of violent military oppression and a decades-long demotion to “mountain Turks” in an effort to eradicate their identity. While the Kurdish plight at Ankara’s hands has eased somewhat over the past decade, the repression recently intensified again and the eastern fifth of Turkey should be viewed as occupied territory. As for the Kurds of Syria and Iran, they, too, would rush to join an independent Kurdistan if they could. The refusal by the world’s legitimate democracies to champion Kurdish independence is a human-rights sin of omission far worse than the clumsy, minor sins of commission that routinely excite our media. And by the way: A Free Kurdistan, stretching from Diyarbakir through Tabriz, would be the most pro-Western state between Bulgaria and Japan.

A just alignment in the region would leave Iraq’s three Sunni-majority provinces as a truncated state that might eventually choose to unify with a Syria that loses its littoral to a Mediterranean-oriented Greater Lebanon: Phoenecia reborn. The Shia south of old Iraq would form the basis of an Arab Shia State rimming much of the Persian Gulf. Jordan would retain its current territory, with some southward expansion at Saudi expense. For its part, the unnatural state of Saudi Arabia would suffer as great a dismantling as Pakistan.

...

Iran, a state with madcap boundaries, would lose a great deal of territory to Unified Azerbaijan, Free Kurdistan, the Arab Shia State and Free Baluchistan, but would gain the provinces around Herat in today’s Afghanistan — a region with a historical and linguistic affinity for Persia. Iran would, in effect, become an ethnic Persian state again, with the most difficult question being whether or not it should keep the port of Bandar Abbas or surrender it to the Arab Shia State. "

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American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) speech of U.S. Congresswoman Jane Harman:


"The Persian population in Iran is not a majority, it is a plurality. There are many different, diverse, and disagreeing populations inside Iran and an obvious strategy, which I believe is a good strategy, is to separate those populations." 

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Amir ... I agree

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Amir ... I agree


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

maziar 58 good point, who is usa anyways?

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Sadly the middle east and iran are afloat on energy and the USA says it belongs to them.

They have a saying, get your filthy iranian hands off my Oil and Gas, this is known as the Carter doctrine and has been followed since 1979. 


maziar 58

..

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who is USA to considering even......about another nation ?

Iranian inside or outside are just not FIGHTING  (meant  only verbaly) for a common cause which ought to be removing the mollahs for good and there is not any bloody civil war like titu's land.

USA and her allies may succeed (or already have done ) in division among peoples BUT not the nation.

Maziar


BoosBoos

+ 1 Amir +1 Soosan

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I have a sense of humor Amir ... good one.  

And Soosan-aziz-e Khoshkel:

You're right: The US already has forced Iran to foot the bill for 2 million refugees (which as an Iranian I say I am proud that we didn't send people back to be slaughtered by the Taliban); and the U.S. has sparked a civil war in Afghanistan and Iraq; the drugs trade from Afghanistan is also the US's fault because police powers are now in their hands and people in a war torn country are growing drugs and trying to smuggle them into and through Iran.

 

Any one that pretends that the US has the situation under control is kidding themselves.  


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Boos boos JJ and I are terrifying in battle gear

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

In all seriousness, no human is born to kill.  Volunteer will need 6 months training.

There are plenty of people within iran and the key is "iranians from within iran" that want to fight for the liberation of iran from IRI.

I know this can be arranged, but the USA does not want it, they privately tell their friends they love the IRI. Just not the Khameneii crew in control of power.

The USA will not be allowed to go beyond its role, the responsibility for freeing iran is with Iranian soldiers of the past, not JJ and Me.  They need to plan and organize and execute it, exactly like in 1953.

All they need is assistance and protection.


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It seems that through this U.S is going to dump its Taliban problem on us ..!!!!

 


Soosan Khanoom

basically

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So basically If you are Persian while your are losing south ( hint oil ) and many other places in your efforts to establish Persia you are going to just end up with Afghanistan .... LOL 

 

 


BoosBoos

Boots on the ground

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" by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on What we are talking about, is not a military attack that is the wrong phrase, we are talking about "assistance and protection".  "



 


Lest I be suspected as an "IRI Spy," I just cannot imagine you and JJ with assault rifles in your hands storming into Ferdowsi Square.  Maybe I'm under-rating your commando skills, but to me the logical outcome is that IF something like that were to happen, for you to prevail, the U.S. military would have to put boots on the ground; and they don't and won't take orders from you.  The U.S. military serves the foreign policy objectives of the U.S. government and you already told us what those objectives are.  Am I wrong?   


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Boos Boos,

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

Iranians are overwhelmingly against boots on the ground, and military attack on civilians.

What we are talking about, is not a military attack that is the wrong phrase, we are talking about "assistance and protection".

Assistance= give iranian comanders and their all volunteer non Mek liberators 8 divisions, salaries, weapons tanks etc.

Protection= if IRI attacks us liberating our own country that does not belong to them say by war plane or helicopter, then knock that threat out.  If the basiji's come after us from base ABC, destroy their entire convoy and flatten the base.

No one wants a military attack by outside forces, but we all sure would love some protection from IRI in order to protect people if they use basiji against liberating forces.  No one cares about the basiji and iri forces that stand up to the people and do not disband upon the arrival of iranians.

We care about the people.  Thats why we don't want usa forces used indiscriminately on Iran.  The protectionshould be selective and based on intelligence.

 

 

 

 


BoosBoos

People that make up false quotes to push for War.

by BoosBoos on


  • "by Simorgh5555 on If I have insulted your Islamic Republic and your Spiritual Leader then I wiill not apologise. "



 


You can actually quote me on this, really?  Let's see it.  I can quote you showing that you are a war monger against Iran:  



 


  • “ by Simorgh5555 on Fri Aug 26, 2011 01:33 PM PDT  Anyother reason to hesitate against waging war on the IR? For the sake of LakeUrumieh, for the thousands of trees cutdown in Kurdistan, for the Caspian, forthe Alborz mountains please support military action.  MilitaryAction can save Lake Urumieh.”



 


//iranian.com/main/blog/boosboos/iranian-mccarthyism-spies-house-love 


     


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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

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" by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Abbasi and Razazadeh are codemned by me "   Not a single part of this article is about "Abbasi,"  Benito Mussolini, "Razazadeh" or Michelangelo.     You should have a look at this:   //iranian.com/main/blog/boosboos/iranian-mccarthyism-spies-house-love   


Simorgh5555

Boos Boos Jan

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 Why should I engage you in a debate outside Iranian.com if you cannot beat me here. This is the ringside. Say what you have to say here. Not a videotape. 

It is simple. 

You are being incredibly immature despite the fact that I have asked you to qualify your bizarre conspiracy theories with further evidence. If you are not going to answer my questions and publicly condemn the Islamic Republic who disparaged the Persian civilisation by saying Cyrus was a Jew and he never existed shows that you are clutching at straws and just like the worst of losers in a debateyou resort to screaming and insults. 

If I have insulted your Islamic Republic and your Spiritual Leader then I wiill not apologise.  

Unless you had a previous Avatar, I guess you are new here. I'll cut you a break and leave your bruised and battered body (metaphorically speaking) bleeding on the sidewalk for a friend or relative to collect.  

I'll see you tomorrow  for round 2 (that is if you are still alive and want another bloody nose) . Until then goodnight. 


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Simorgh you have a point.

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

The IRI is the worst enemy Iran has, its the enemy within, even worse than the lady quoting to divide iran.

Nasrallah needs a death sentence.

The thing is don't belittle US Interests, the reason it is not spoken in public is because like all other civilizations it is a goal of theirs on some level.

Abbasi and Razazadeh are codemned by me, but not sure what to do about the millions of traitors like these the IRI has produced.  They have the rght to express themselves, but we need independent schools and insttutions to condemn such nonsense.

I think its fair to publically shame these people for being unpatriotic vatanforoosh, for a while, but the solution is education and programs to remove brainwashing.  these guys are muslims first and want to destroy iran, this ws the who goal of clash of civilizations and it proves my point that it is being pursued today, so I must be careful to ot mislead people of the wests aims.


BoosBoos

Who is "us"? What about prior condemnations by Iranians?

by BoosBoos on


  • " by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on We are prepared for western or global support like air power & $ as long as it is authorized by us ...."
  Who is "us" ... because the Iranian-PEOPLE are overwhelmingly against a military attack on Iran and they have condemned people like 'actress' Shohreh Aghdasheloo who made a pre-war hype film against Iran pushing a similar position.  Ms.Aghdasheloo was also disinvited from the Los Angeles Iranian Arts festival due to overwhelming criticism of a similar proposal.     And who is "us"?   


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

We Agree.

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

We are prepared for western or global support like air power & $ as long as it is authorized by us so it can not be used to further their aims of divide and conquer.

We need to take out skies from IRI's use, helicopter gun ships and ground strike aircraft, and demolish basiji barracks/bases not near people.  And then only provide strikes as ordered by special forces on the ground imbedded with iranian liberation force.

 


BoosBoos

Still can't quote me to support your claims?

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Hmmmm ... you can "smell supporters of the Islamic republic" (whatever that means) but you cannot QUOTE a person to make that claim; You claim you have practice in doing that; Let's see how your "smell" test holds up before a neutral arbiter of fact in real life.  

Put your name, address, and phone number right here and you can try with me at a videotaped-deposition and we will put up for all the Iranian.com members to see.  Test out your theory bigshot.  But you still can't quote me, right?  You can only make excuses for war against Iran?  Got it.

 

  •  " by Simorgh5555 on Believe me I have taken supporters of the Islamic Republic and spewed them out of my mouth.  Its that easy. I can smell them off a mile away. " 


  • “ by Simorgh5555 on Fri Aug 26, 2011 01:33 PM PDT  Anyother reason to hesitate against waging war on the IR? For the sake of LakeUrumieh, for the thousands of trees cutdown in Kurdistan, for the Caspian, forthe Alborz mountains please support military action.  MilitaryAction can save Lake Urumieh.”

 


Simorgh5555

Amir Parvis 2

by Simorgh5555 on

 Since Boos Boos won't answer the question I wonder if you can. What is worse some has been Congresswoman who made a statement and then later apologised for a stupid statement in Congress or that 1) There is no Persian Civilisation 2) Cyrus was a Jew 3) Cyrus was an invention of Jews and scientists. 

Which is more damaging and anti-Iranian. Boos Boos by his silence refuses to condemn the Islamic Republic and therefore we know exactly where he stands. What is your honest opinion? 

You fail to condemn Hassan Nasrollah for saying there is no such thing as a Persian Civilisation because there is a voice over

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=m30FcZU-9nY

but say nothing about Hassan Abbasi who made similar comments disparaging Iranian history as being Jews

//www.flixya.com/video/1695445/Jewish-influence-on-Achaemenid-Empire

Or how about your friend 'Doctor' Ravazadeh who said Cyrus does not exist?

//iranian.com/main/2011/jun/cyrus-invented-zionists


Simorgh5555

Amir Parviz Jan

by Simorgh5555 on

Military action can take effect in different forms. I have said before I oppose a ground force invasion of Iran by any foreign force . I have maintained this position since day one when I registered on this forum. However, I am in support of targeted assassinations and surgical airstrikes of the Majlis, Basij and Revolutionary Guard barracks. 

Iran must ultimately be liberated by Iranians whether this is done by an Iranian liberation army which I support or by a mass movement. Any ground force operation by Iranians must be supported by an airforce. You don't need a military stategist to tell you this. Without an airforce the troops on the ground will perish or you are heading for a nasty guerilla type warfare which I don't wish. 

If you can show me an Iranian philanthropist who is willing to pay for a fleet of warplanes then I wil be happy to tell the West to get lost. Until then we have no choice. The Mullahs have shown that they cannot be reasoned with. They kill 8 Iranians per hour and distribute condoms to prison wardens to rape men and women prisoners.

 //www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/24/jailed-iran-opposition-activists-rape

These are the sick evil people you are dealing with. Destroy them and make it quick.  

I think the West lost its greatest opportunity to get rid of the Islamic Republic in the protests of 2009.  

I repeat military action is the only solution. Quote me again, Boos Boos.  


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

who is Abbasi and Razazadeh again?

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

Simorg


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

In the early 80's when reagan was in power

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

An iranian general organized several thousand iranians against the regime into a division, reagan stopped them because he wanted to keep the IRI.

Iranians would have no problem organizing 200k to 400k group and train them if they had a green light from usa and help.

The fact is the usa has other plans, us politicians listen to wall street, oil companies and the military complex, not iranians.

Hit them with what?  We use the wests direct involvement to our peril.


Simorgh5555

Boos Boos Ok Here is a quote

by Simorgh5555 on

"NO ONE takes this jerk seriously."  

  • False:  A Congresswoman and AIPAC did - the speech calling for Iran to be divided into pieces received tremendous applause by the Israeli lobby. 
  And I quoted you before. Other than 'one' congresswomen ( am member of the H of R name me another member of congress who endorsed such comments.     Prove to me that Pan-Turkism is such a threat you are making it out.   If you do not want to have a serious civilised debate and enter into 'quote me' charade to duck the questions then say so.    This isn't about quotes I am asking for your condemnation of Abbasi and Razazadeh. For the final time  as an Iranian 'patriot' do you or do you not condemn these people? Why are you scared of answering the questions? Is it because hundreds of Iranians are reading your nonsensical posts? Are you beholden to the Islamic Republic that you are in fear of embarrassing them?   Is there a reason other than your sheer ineptitude that you cannot answer the questions?

 

Believe me I have taken supporters of the Islamic Republic and spewed them out of my mouth.  Its that easy. I can smell them off a mile away. 

 

 


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

my point is that they are using islam to divide and rule us now

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

so obviously I am against islam in govt, but people free to worship whatever they want like usa and unlike china.

So we need to be smart as to them not using us to further their aims of divide and conquer.

You are so certian that they won't divide iran if they enter it with troops on the ground or set up another islamic system, so to get Most Iranans support on their side, the USA needs to give up on islam in govt and its support of fundamentalists and support reza pahlavi's strategy, no boots on the ground, cut off all regimes money, support a referendum movement and let iranians knock out the regime.

 


BoosBoos

You see how easy it was? I did quote you. Now you quote me.

by BoosBoos on


“ by Simorgh5555 on Sat Aug 27, 2011 07:24 PM PDT MilitaryAction is the only solution. Boos Boos feel free to quote me.”  


Simorgh5555

Amir Parviz

by Simorgh5555 on

Oh yes, I am all for sanctions and an embargo. But sanctions and embargo alone means a sluggish and slow death for the IR which will hurt our compatriots. Strike them and strike them hard. 

I will openly rejoice to see the death of Ahmadinejad and Khamenei. Their death, and those criminals who support them and have the blood of Iranians on their hand will be a massive cause for celebration for me. They have negated themselves of nationhood. 

Everyone from the judge who sentenced young Iranians to hang, from the hangman who puts the nose around the neck of the 8 Iranians who dies every hour, and the prison warden who rapes and murders young Iranian men and women quite frankly can be blown up to smithereens.  

Military Action is the only solution. Boos Boos feel free to quote me.  


BoosBoos

I don't respond to diversionary Imaginary Quotes ... Got it?

by BoosBoos on

People that don't QUOTE ME don't get a response to imaginary quotes: 

See this article:

//iranian.com/main/blog/boosboos/iranian-mccarthyism-spies-house-love 

For example you can quote me that it's my opinion that those who are war mongers against Iran are traitors to the iranian people, like below:

 

  • “ by Simorgh5555 on Fri Aug 26, 2011 01:33 PM PDT  Anyother reason to hesitate against waging war on the IR? For the sake of LakeUrumieh, for the thousands of trees cutdown in Kurdistan, for the Caspian, forthe Alborz mountains please support military action.  MilitaryAction can save Lake Urumieh.” 

 


Simorgh5555

Boos Boos

by Simorgh5555 on

Zionist this. AIPAC that. Personal insults do not explain or justify your skewed interpretation of history, foreign policy and middle east policy. 

As soon as you lose the argument it gets personal to you.

Are you going to answer my questions or not?

1) Are you goint to condemn Abbasi and Ravazadeh or not?

2) Please point out where another congressman out 435 have endorsed Harman's view points?

3) Given the huge Pan Turkist threat buoyed on by Israel name me one violent incident or atrocity committed  in their name. Given the huge number of ethnic Azaris this shouldn't be hard to do.