Persian Realm

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

I have to agree. Iran's best chance for progress is joining with Monarchists. They are far more sane than either MKO or Mousavi. Sooner the better. 

Irans pro democracy Groups are Coming Around slowly but surely!!

Why doesn't the west support any iranian prodemocracy leaders.  The
people would flock to them and fight if given a chance. Why support MEK
and represent them as Irans largest opposition group?  Why back mousavi
and khatami's green movement?  Why is the free world of liberal
democracies so in love with Islam for Iran?

Their real agenda is sending Iran backwards and suppressing it's development.

They betray Irans democrats at their peril.  I see Irans democrats slowly coming around
working with other secular groups, in particular the monarchists, once they discover the west only wants to use
them for manipulation purposes and not for Irans progress.

How long will it take for them to learn this?  No one knows for sure, but the sooner the better, because Iran needs all groups available to counter Western domination that brought us Khomeini and kept his followers in place for so long.

Sosan khanoom, mola n. and VPK

Let's first establish monarchy and then we will discuss about these issues. In fact shah in his last T.V appearance mentioned about "some mistakes" that you all brought it up here. We will fix it under shahanshahi system. For example, Mola N. is concerned about distribution of wealth (Gold), sure we will talk about it once monarchy established again or Soosan khanoom doesn;t want to get up when there is Iran soorood. Some people like to get up and some don't. We will talk about it once we re-establish monarchy or VPK is asking to ban on Fatwa law. Sure, that law is production of mind of  lizard eater arab. It has nothing to do with Persians. We will eliminate that law in our monarch constitution. Let's re-build monarchy first.

Payandeh Iran

mash ghassem nobody will fall for that tired propaganda

what brought on savak etc. It was the Left and Toudeh who were happy to see Iran disintegrate and started a campaign of terror. Fortunately the lies of the Left have all been exposed. It has no credibility. 

Mr. Fozolie

VPK Jaan I know you share much of my assessments but

The Point I am making by quoting Milani is that your arguments on the Shah and Religion joins his in that the Shah's so called mysticism made him delusional about the realities of his time and encouraged superstition and religious belief because he allowed mosques to be built in every corner of the country.

To begin with I am not certain that the figures and far fetched interpretations of Milani are as accurate.

I also mention Milani first because I am reading it right now and also because it is historians like him which are distorting history to fit their own Political Vision: Justifying a Secular Republic for Tomorrows IRan.

Nothing wrong with that except that I don't share that Jomhurykhah interpretation of our history.

To any thesis there is always an Anti Thesis. I don't have the means of Milani financed by the Moggaddam Family to publish a book.

But I think that I have written and addressed nearly ALL the questions you and others have brought up here a Thousand times in my Numerous Blogs and comments over the years.

So to here the same issues come up OVER and OVER Again each time One Positive thing can be said about the Pahlavis is beginning to truly Piss me Off.

Rest Assured Iran won't become a Monarchy. It's OVER !

pictory: David Frost's documentary on Iran's Shah in Power (1974)

Definitively Not with compatriots like ours who are just good enough to copy and Paste concepts, and generalities about things they don't fully understand nor care to research before hand ... 

Best,

DK 

PS: Sorry for my Rant last night but I was not feeling good and not feeling any better today. Will try and address your questions more precisely if this did not suffice at another opportunity if you raise it again. Have a Nice Sunday. Cheers D

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"It was a golden age, and they took the gold and ran away"

Murmured Hazrate shotor.

Soosan

I will take Shahanshah Aryamehr over your Islamists any day. He was a patriot who loved Iran. Not like your friends who *use* Iran for their sick version of Islam. He knew Iran needed real friends: not a bunch of terrorists.

When Shah was in charge Iran prospered. We got respect all over the world. Iran was safe and Saddam did not dare attack Iran. With your gang Iran became the laughing stock of the world. With only mentally sick terrorist  as allies.

Your mockery of him shows what kind of person you are. With every post you show your contempt for Iranians. I say again: one hair of the Shah even now is worth all the Islamists and Marxists and their offshoots put together ten times over.

VPK

Shahanshah ma

Shahanshah ma zendeh baadaa Paayand keshvar be farsh jaavedaan LaLa  ... La La  .... LaLa

Are we done yet ?  Now when the film is going to start?

 OOOOOOPS ...... sorry     ........ just carried away back to that golden age that we had to stand up and listen to the entire Soorood before each and every damn single movie that we went to see in the Cinema   :)  

DK II

I am not anti Pahlavi. If you have been reading my post you know that. I am not a Monarchist but I am about as pro Pahlavi as it gets (for a non Monarchist).

DK

Are you debating me or Milani? I don't waste my time reading Milani. However you have not responded to one single item I mentioned. Please if you want to debate me then stick to what I said not Milani.

Great post, Ahreeman will be defeated as shah said

Thanks DK for this great post. Let's all people who love Iran hand to hand help to overthrow these monsters who occupied and destroyed Iran for last 32 years. Let's all united and re-establish monarchy as it has been our political system for over 5000 years. God bless shah, Reza shah's souls. They did a lot for our country. Sure, we missed shah.

VPK Jaan Wrong Again ... Do I need to Repeat Myself ?

Stop Repeating Milani's Crap each and everytime you want to come up with some Anti Pahlavi Stance. It seems this has now become the latest Trend amongst our most educated ANN TELECTUALS to take Milani's assessments for Granted as if his Book on the SHAH has become their New Anti Pahlavi BIBLE: 

InResponse to the blog Jealousy over "Arab" Islam by DK

ROYALTY AND FAITH:Ayatollah Jannati Kisses Shahbanou Farah's Hand (1970's)

It is the Role of the Monarch to be the guardian of Faith in ALL cultures and ethnic groups living under the Crown:

Shah welcomes Pope

ROYALTY AND THE PEOPLE: Farah Pays Respect to Baloutch Sunni Minority (1970's) 

ROYAL CHRISTMAS: Shahbanou Visits Church inRezaiyeh (1970's)

Armenian commemorative coin

Gold Pahlavi coin Commemorates Jewish Faith

Agha Khan coin 

ROYALTY AND THE PEOPLE: Farah Greeted by "Bandari" People of Persian Gulf (1970's) 

ROYALTY AND THE PEOPLE: Shah meets Kurdish Representatives (1948)

If our State Religion was Zoroastrian then the Shah may have well done the same for that minority. Did it even Occur to you fellows that during all Offiicial Ceremonies including Religious ones the Shah always carried a Sword with the Zoroastrian Farvahar ?

KING OF KINGS: Mohamed Reza Shah Pahlavi's Tribute to Iran's Past Kings and People (Nowruz 1977) 

It Truly Amazes me to read So Much Crap and Generalities OVER AND OVER AGAIN including amongst So Called "Experts" like Milani.

Iran WAS a Muslim Nation since the conquest of IRan. All Iranian monarchs had to take that into account in order to rule the country.

They even at times used religion as a political tool as all their predecessors.

Including Reza Shah himself when it suited him to recall the "divine" nature of his Royal Status:

NOT THE FIRST TIME:Reza Shah breaks off diplomatic ties with France (1938)

All the More that his Qajar Predecessors including many who were ministers could downplay his legitimacy on grounds that he overthrew their dynasty ( which itself had overthrown it's predecessors):

Notice the use of the Farvahar in the following Qajar Stamp:

Ahmad Shah coronation, 1915 (1)

And references to the Ancient Pre Islamic history:

Ahmad Shah coronation, 1915 (2)

The Shah like ALL Persian Monarchs New that their Royal Legitimacy needed Religious Endorsement.

That is also the case for ALL Constitutional Monarchies in Europe including Great Britain where the Queen of England is De Facto a Velayeteh Fagih, No More No Less:

HISTORY FORUM: How Truly Democratic is The British Monarchy ?

Now does that make the Shah Flawless ? ...

Definitively Not But then Who is ? :

ROYAL RHINOPLASTY: Stephen Fry On The Imperfections of the Monarchy and Why It Should Be Preserved 

Again It's OK not to like the concept of Monarchy ( and I am not saying that is your case) But then Don't Try and Define the Concept of Royalty if You don't understand it ! 

Something that alas Abbas Milani (with his Californian Education with little exposure to European Culture which greatly shaped ours) Clearly Doesn't:

ROYAL FORUM: Explaining the Concept of a Constitutional Monarchy to a Staunch Republican

including in the drafting of the 1906 constitution which was based on the Belgian model:

RESTORATION: Belgium King Baudouin takes Oath Amidst Republican Animosity (31st July ,1950) 

ROYAL CURTSY: Crown Prince Reza Godfather to Belgium's Prince Prince Laurent's Daughter (2004)

Which does not mean that one should not read it or that his book is not worth the read. I just wish someone would pay me to publish my Response to his Republican Infatuation which seems to blur his objectivity specifically is most of his interviews which are truly disappointing to read or watch.

Maybe he should look in the Mirror from time to time ... He may even recognize himself:

SATIRE: Lookalikes Abbas Milani and Nasseredin Shah ;0)

So should Satrapi :

LOOK ALIKES: Marjane Satrapi and Ashraf Pahlavi (Response to RezaChe) ;0) 

But Joking aside Valah Bekhodah Az Bass Cherto Perte as Shoma Jomhurykhahan Meekhoonam Khasteh Shodam  ...

So Much Generalities and little Content or Proof or even historical distance to substantiate your arguments.

I could go on and on and explain to you that the Shah was Not weak by Character but by Circumstance: Becoming King upon his father's forced abdication and with a country occupied :

THE PAST IS A FOREIGN COUNTRY: How Would You Evaluate Iran's Democracy Index in 1953 ? 

Which means that throughout his reign he could not do other than compromise with the odds set in front of him in order to remain in power:

HISTORY OF VIOLENCE: Shah of Iran wounded after Assassination Attempt (1949)

pictory: Political Pluralism and Freedom of Press in Pahlavi Iran (1961)

Anything Short of that would have been Suicide ...

Well his Daughter and Son did that for him instead ... to the delight it seems of Some Clueless Jomhurykhahs claiming to be Intellectuals:

MOSHIRI's COLD HAND's: Bahram Moshiri Slams Pahlavi Era Gun Ban Policies

HISTORY FORUM: Bahram Moshiri's Take on The French Revolution and Why He Misses The Point ;0) 

If You see what I am saying ...

Gosh I'm Out ... Truly Khasteh Shodam Bekhoda ...

In the meantime This is the Upcoming Threat which is going to jeapordize ANY hope of seeing a democratic Restoration in our Country in our life Times: a Military Junta takeover to replace the clerics by "pragmatic" muslim Nationalists highjacking our Genuine National Identity:

THANK YOU NIAC, Jon Limbert, Mansour Farhang, Flynt Leverett and all those ANN TELECTUALS who have sided with Traitors to King and Country  !

PAN IRANIST: Pezeshkpour objects to Shah's decision on Bahrain Independence (1971) 

A nation and a generation which 30 years On still cannot see the difference between Friends and Enemies, Dictatorship and Tyranny ...

Well I guess it does not even deserve to exist anymore:

SEPARATIST TEMPTATIONS: Don't Let It Fool You ... Treason Exists ...

Mordeh Shooreh Farhang Va Cinemashoon Ham Beram:

Asghar Farhadi Triumphs As An Artist But Fails As A Citizen 

Sorry I'm Out of this Thread !

Have a Nice Sunday nevertheless ! 

Bot Shekan

We can debate if Khomeini was a moron or not. He was definitely Charismatic. That and having no integrity i.e lying through his teeth. Those allowed him to fool people. Our people were stupid to reject a true democrat like Bakhtiar and accept Khomeini.

Many of us have learned but even now people are charmed by Khomeini version II. I am talking about Reza Aslan. How dumb do we get to be? But there is very good news. I see that his henna has very little color. The posts about him went better than 2/1 against him.

DK Jaan

I am aware of many of the things you say. You and I see mostly eye to eye on the Shah. However facts are there for all to see:

• Shah did allow building of a lot of mosques and did help fund them.
• Shah gave Mollahs a free hand; much more than his father did.
• Shah declared a one party system that basically destroyed most secular non Marxist institutions.

Yes there were a lot of idiot Marxists. I know; some were in my own family. Shah may have countered this by embracing a robust debate. Prove to people how stupid Marxism was. He also should have strictly clamped down on the Mollahs. That picture of Queen Farah in a chador is outright shameful. The Shah was way too tolerant of Mollahs. This is a well know fact my friend. I am not making it up. I wish he had cracked down on them. But he properly worried about Marxists but missed the danger of Mollahs.

Why didn't he execute Khomeini? Why did he allow Shariati to have a position at the university in Mashad? Why did he let Shariati spread his mumbo jumbo around Iran. To corrupt the minds of people charmed by his stupid Ph.D.

Post IR  time Mollahs should be heavily regulated. Most their "schools" closed; maybe one school allowed under very heavy scrutiny of a secular governor. Plus a special licence required. Only a limited number of licenses should be issued with a heavy fee required yearly to keep it valid. Mollahs preaching without a license should be heavily fined and put in jail. Issuing Fatwahs banned under the penalty of jail. This is what Shah should have done. This must be done after the IR is gone.

Sorry folks. Khomeini was no moron!Quite the opposite.

He identified very clearly what a moronic nation were the Iranians, something the Shah failed to see. The day we learn to stop blaming our own shortcomings on others is when we can begin to have a civil discourse.

Wrong About Shah ( Answer to VPK Jaan)

Don't Tell me You Never Studied or took interest in Secularism in the Shah's time ? ...

They were available in Any Good Library or University if you wished to get hold of it: 

HISTORY FORUM: Nader Naderpour on Iran's Constitutional Revolution and European Rennaissance (1996)

It's Not the Shah's fault if You People had No Curiosity in the History of Ideas ?

HISTORY OF IDEAS: Constitutional Government In Locke's Second Treatise (Yale University)

None of this type of Literature was censored or Forbidden in Iran:

GOOD READ: All You Need to Know About The Enlightment Philosophers

HISTORY OF IDEAS: Ian Davidson on Voltaire's "English Exile" 

Except that as Orientals our intelligenstia hardly took interest in the Western Ideas all the more that they were attracted by the Left Wing "Democracies" like many Western Liberals of their generation ...

HISTORY OF IDEAS: Jean Paul Sartre on Freedom and Existentialism (BBC)

REPUBLICAN OFFSPRING: Massoud Rajavi at Tehran University during Presidential Campaign (1980)

Abbas Milani Included who was a Maoist in his young years despite his studies in San Francisco and California ... 

pictory: San Francisco Police Arrest Iranian Student in Anti Shah Demo (1970)

Who like many Left Wing demagogues of the time thought that Maosism in replacement of Stalinism which they had defended tongue and nail before:

pictory: Soviet Propaganda Film - Iran, Tabriz 1945-46

and thinking that China ( with whom we had good relations) was the ideal system for a country like Iran:

DIPLOMATIC HISTORY: Farah and China's Zhou Enlai ( ~1972-73 ) 

So no wonder Milani ended up with Rafsanjani as cell mate: 

REPUBLICAN OFFSPRING: Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani in Savak Prison (1970's)

SOURCES OF FURY:Nader Naderpour on origins of IRI's "Death Slogans" towards US and Israel 

The Shah can't be blamed for the Low Level of Intellectual prowness of a generation who thought they Were Intellectuals when in Fact they were nothing short of pretentious ANN TELLECTUALS:

GAUCHE CAVIAR: Ebrahim Golestan interviewed by Massoud Behnoud (BBC Persian)

GAUCHE CAVIAR:Charlie Hebdo Coverage on Shah (1975)

As a matter of Fact they seem to Abound on Your Continent and particularly in CALIFORNICA even to this day:

IRANICAN MOFTKHOR: From a 1/2 "Pahlawi" EYE-RANIAN Coin to why people resist new theories (sic)

Maybe too much Sea, Sex and Sun:

Californication: Trailer (New Showtime Original Series) Have made them Forget what a Paradise the Shah's Era Was for the Nation at large :
  pictory: Girls in Bikini vs Veiled Women on Caspian Sea, Babolsar (1971)         Well I've Got News for You Folks ... NOT EVERYONE HAS ALZHEIMERS !  Oon Nasl Intellectual Nabood ... Een Naslham Meslekeh Hamoongadre ANN TELECTUAL Hast va IGNORANT !    

Right about Shah

Yes the Shah gave us the IR by his nadanam kari. I have often praised his good deeds. However he was "khorafati" and really believed the Islam stuff. He basically wrecked all civil institutions with Savak.

All that was left was the Mollahs. In addition by banning Khomeini's writings he kept him safe. If people had read Khomeini's writings they would have known what a moron the guy really was. 

Sure the left also had a big hand in this. But the reovlution would not have happened just with them. It took Shah and his mistakes to get there.

نگفتم آقا کار کار انگلیساست!

 قاسم: انگاری همین دیروز بود. بگمانم جنگ ممسنی بود....

آقا: قاسم باز چرتو پرت گفتی صد بار بهت گفتم جنگ کازرون بود!!

Thank You for Proving my Point ... WYSIWYG

 "A Country that Loses it's Poetic Vision is a Country that faces death" -Saul Bellow

WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET !

Beyneh Khodemoon Bah Melaty Olagh Mostahageh Cheezeh Deegaryee Yah Behtary Ham Neesteed ! :

Yes , it was the Golden age for the Pahlavis .

Not for the iranian nation .

So wrong...

Unfortunately the shah became a what we now call a traitor without even knowing what he was doing... During his rule he built the most number of mosques than any other period (for me this is strange when he at the same time praised Cyrus the Great, Zoroaster and so on). These institutes became communication centers for the religious leaders during the revolution. Without these institues the religious fanatics could easily be stopped... The communists were stopped (even though they were more intellectual) because the shah forbade communication from the beginning and inprisoned and killed many of them, something he should have done with the clerics as well. The shah should have continued in his fathers footsteps, trying to remove mini-powers (khan, clerics, militias etc) from the country, unfortunately he helped some of them indirectly...

The shah should either have done this (bloody path) or have become a monarch without power, like the system they have in e.g. Sweden.

The shah basically built his own grave...

Iran's Golden Ages (during the 20th century);

in terms of freedom in society in general, freedom of press, expression, organizing,.. growth of the Civil Society as opposed to the State ,...

1905-1915,

1940-1953,

1977-1980,

anyone sees a pattern? cheers

iran's golden age:

iran's golden age: 1925-1989.  y'all happy now?  just like a bunch of ostriches sticking thier heads in sand and repeating the same crap.

and the luck goes on, Fozol jan it was SAVAK and Hojatieh hand

in hand, that gave us Islamic Republic, and Sepah Mazhab as part of the White Revolution ( at this historical juncture, this term and its color is truly beyond Irony), and the single party system of Hezb Rastakhiz, and...should I go on? cheers

Beautiful documentary

DARIUS Thank you for this beautiful documentary and this is like fantasy, that once we were respected and we had pride and we were not called Muslim or Islamic, we had identity that we were proud of call Persian or Iranian, We had history and culture that we were proud of.

As is we are not same people and as is we never had such a country or the king and glory that everyone in the world envoy us. Today seems we are in dream of past and finding that dream seems millions of mile away and unreachable, what happened to us and what is happening to us and where would be our future and country and culture and history. Tsunami of Religion have crushed our spirit and history and pride and our country has become largest trash bin of civilization and culture and every day there is wave of religion and terrorist tsunami crushing our beloved motherland. Shame on us and shame on us because we were suppose to guardian of destiny and history and shame on us  that we are still after 32 year of barbarian invasion , we are still silent and scared to rise against these Barbarian.

The Left who gave us Khomeinie remind me of

 the Khar character in the Mofid play, Shahr e Ghesse. When Khar gives evidence in the trial suing the Parrot for defaming his character, the judge after asking his name and profession, asks him if there is any money in Kharrati.

 Khar says no as nowadays everybody is making money making plastic and 'melamin', so the judge asks him why he does not adapt.  Khar replies it is because he loves Kharrati so the judge says "Kheilie Khari" and the Khar says proudly OF COURSE.  

Mr. Fozolie

We miss this Golden Age

Mr. Kadivar, when we remember the Pahlavi period, we miss it. The Shah and the Shahbanou were welcomed everywhere, admired and respected. Can someone to say the same thing about the current IRI?

We Iranians are soooo lucky!

You name one other nation who managed to have two Golden ages in less than fifty years! First the Pahlavi's "Golden age", followed by Khomeini's!

We are indeed lucky, lucky, Bastards!

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EI7p2p1QJI

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