Pro-Baha'i Censorship and the Double Standards of Iranian.Com

About Terry Culhane, my so called former friend/Mansouri

[Crossposted to USENET]

//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Culhane.htm

About Baha'i Basiji Faryar Mansouri

//faryarmansouri.blogspot.com/

BTW, Faryar, putting up that piece here a while ago, and now again, is going to cost you very, very dearly...

The sad story of Nima Hazini by a former friend of his..

//wahidatjabarin.blogspot.com/

//iranian.com/main/blog/faryarm/early-hea...

Baha'i CULT FAQ: CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

[Crossposted to USENET]

//bahaicultfaq.blogspot.com/

Start HERE (Sourcewatch):

Baha'i Faith
//www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%27i_Faith

Baha'i Internet Agency
//www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%E2%80%99i_Internet_Agency

Then see,
SECTS OF BAHAIS: A Taxonomy of Baha'i Sects, //www.sectsofbahais.com/

&

Documentary film by independent Israeli film maker Naama Pyritz:
BAHA'IS IN MY BACKYARD
//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU

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LAWSUIT (Larger Haifan Baha'i organization sues smaller Orthodox
Baha'i faith for trademark infringement on the name *Baha'i* and
loses)

US NSA vs OBF (Orthodox Baha'i Faith)

Recent court victory by the Orthodox Baha'is, and the suit brought by
the Haifan Bahai organization against them:

//trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html

Judge's decision
//www.truebahai.info/court/139-opinion.pdf

**Appellate hearing (Feb 2009)***
//www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/LF1FFZY0.mp3

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//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

BAHAI Tactics & Techniques

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc....  CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
i.e. shoot the messenger
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed while supporting
the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

Quote

//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/technique.htm
Professor Juan Cole, University of Michigan, June 12, 1998:

"Let me ask you why in the world you think that I would risk my
professional reputation by publicly stating falsehoods? ...The very
technique of the more glaze-eyed among these people is to
unbearably bully a Baha'i whom they don't like, use unjustified
threats of declaring him or her a CB [Covenant Breaker (heretic)] to
silence the individual, and if the person will not be silenced, then
to depend upon the gullibility of the Baha'is in refusing to listen to
any victim's story because, of course, the Baha'i institutions are
infallible and divinely guided and could never do anything wrong. It
is a perfect racket. Of course, this technique of making liberals go
away has been enormously successful, and ex-Baha'i liberals have no credibility with the remaining Baha'is nor do most of them have any energy to continue to make a case, either to the Baha'is or the
outside world, for the incredible abuses that go on inside this
organization ostensibly committed to tolerance!"
//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole10.htm

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THEORY OF BAHA’I LYING & EQUIVOCATION

See Susan Stiles Maneck,
//bahai-library.com/bsr/bsr06/62_maneck_hikmat.htm
WISDOM AND DISSIMULATION IN THE BAHA’I WRITINGS: The Use and meaning of Hikmat in the Baha’i Writings

QUOTE

"In many cases hikmat calls for the apparent suspension of a Bahá'í
principle in order to ensure the protection of the Faith."

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BAHA'I ADMINISTRATIVE STALINISM

QUOTE

"We don't want to be like those people who want to see God with their own eyes, or hear His melody with their own ears, because we have been given the gift of being able to see through the eyes of the House of Justice and listen through the ears of the House of Justice." - Bahai Counselor Rebeque Murphy

To hear this section of her talk go to:
//media1.bahai.us/tab/Highlights/Sunday/30_Counselor_Murphy_Rema...

//bahai-library.com/published.uhj/counsellors.html
THE INSTITUTION OF THE COUNSELLORS
A Document Prepared by the Universal House of Justice
January 29 2001

Quote
Protection of the Cause (pp. 15-16)

Although deepening the friends' understanding of the
Covenant and increasing their love and loyalty to it are of paramount
importance, the duties of the Auxiliary Board members for Protection
do not end here. The Board members must remain ever vigilant,
monitoring the actions of those who, driven by the promptings of ego, seek to sow the seeds of doubt in the minds of the friends and
undermine the Faith. In general, whenever believers become aware of such problems, they should immediately contact whatever institution they feel moved to turn to, whether it be a Counsellor, an Auxiliary Board member, the National Spiritual Assembly or their own Local Assembly. It then becomes the duty of that institution to ensure that the report is fed into the correct channels and that all the other institutions affected are promptly informed. Not infrequently, the responsibility will fall on an Auxiliary Board member, in coordination
with the Assembly concerned, to take some form of action in response
to the situation. This involvement will include counselling the
believer in question; warning him, if necessary, of the consequences
of his actions; and bringing to the attention of the Counsellors the
gravity of the situation, which may call for their intervention.
Naturally, the Board member has to exert every effort to counteract
the schemes and arrest the spread of the influence of those few who,
despite attempts to guide them, eventually break the Covenant.

The need to protect the Faith from the attacks of its enemies may
not be generally appreciated by the friends, particularly in places
where attacks have been infrequent. However, it is certain that such
opposition will increase, become concerted, and eventually universal.
The writings clearly foreshadow not only an intensification of the
machinations of internal enemies, but a rise in the hostility and
opposition of its external enemies, whether religious or secular, as
the Cause pursues its onward march towards ultimate victory.
Therefore, in the light of the warnings of the Guardian, the Auxiliary
Boards for Protection should keep "constantly" a "watchful eye" on
those "who are known to be enemies, or to have been put out of the
Faith", discreetly investigate their activities, alert intelligently
the friends to the opposition inevitably to come, explain how each
crisis in God's Faith has always proved to be a blessing in disguise,
and prepare them for the "dire contest which is destined to range the
Army of Light against the forces of darkness".
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BAHA’I CONTROL ON THEIR ELECTORAL SYSTEM – EXPOSED (Structural
features of Bahai Stalinism)
//groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/636c4cedf90dea5b
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BAHAI NOTIONS of FREEDOM of CONSCIENCE according to EX-UHJ member
DOUGLAS MARTIN --  Monday, September 23, 2001

//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/DMartin.htm

Quote

"We have inherited a dangerous delusion from Christianity that our
individual conscience is supreme. This is not a Baha'i belief. In the
end, in the context of both our role in the community and our role in
the  greater world, we must be prepared to sacrifice our personal
convictions or opinions. The belief that individual conscience is
supreme is equivalent to "taking partners with God" which is abhorrent
to the Teachings of the Faith."
//www.bahai-library.org/talks/martin.watson.html

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NOTE especially, S.G. Wilson,
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS ASSASSINATION The Muslim World vol. 4, issue 4,
1914
&
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS DECEPTION The Muslim World, Volume 5, Issue 2,
1914-1915.
at,
//wahidazal66.googlepages.com/babidocuments%28westernsources%29

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BAHA'I SCAM-ARTISTRY & FRAUD IN THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES: A Multi-
Milliard Rial Scam* By A Baha’i Company in Dubai
//groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/0c8df7dca08d52ce#

FBI raids office of Baha’i at Univ. Florida
//groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/97aed7a172da675/1b8eb9f1758c241b?lnk=gst&q=FBI+%2B+Bahai#1b8eb9f1758c241b

BAHAI BUSINESS PRACTICES IN THE USA
//groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/de706298e9a9cd6f#

BAHAI SPY RING IN INDIA BUSTED
//groups.google.com.au/group/soc.culture.iranian/browse_thread/thread/91f9b845cd9105a3/78727004d825a589?lnk=gst&q=Bahai+Spy+Ring+with+India+Busted#78727004d825a589

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Note
Baha'u'llah (the Baha'i founder) On the Critics of the Cause

In
Ma'idih-i-Asmani, vol. 4, page 355
//reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS4/mas4-355.html

Translation by Wahid Azal (Jan. 7, 2009)

QUOTE

Chapter 11

The Critics of the Cause of God (munkirin-i-amru'llah)

The Ancient Beauty in the Tablet of Habib from Maragha, which begins
with "H B hear the call of God from the direction of the throne by the
protective signs/verses (bi-ayati muhayyimin)..etc." they [i.e. Husayn
'Ali Nuri] enunciate the command (mi-farmayand) [i.e. state],

By God, the Truth, whomsoever criticizes it [i.e. Baha'ism], [which
is] possessed of the manifest, the brilliant, the high and the
perspicuous excellence, it behoveth him to ask his mother [yanbaghi
lahu bi-an yas'al min ummihi] about his origins [or 'state',
i.e.'hal', meaning he should inquire his mother about his legitimate
conception – trans.], for he shall return to the nethermost hell
[asfal al-jahim]"…

In Promulgation of Universal Peace p. 322 the following is quoted by
'Abbas Effendi from a prayer by his father, cf. THE BAHA'I FAITH AND
ISLAM (ed.) Heshmat Moayyad (The Association for Baha'i Studies:
Ottawa, 1990), p.23

Quote

O God! Whomsoever violates My Covenant, O God, humiliate him. Verily
whosoever violates My Covenant, erase and efface him.

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Note Dr Sa'eed Khan on the Baha'is he knew

From Mission Problems in New Persia, 1926, p. 83, 87 & 89 quoted by
William McElwee Miller in The Baha'i Faith: It's History and
Teachings, 1973, p. 289.

Quote

"...There is no conscience with them [ i.e. the Baha'is], they keep
to no principle, they tell you what is untrue, ignoring or denying
undoubted historical facts, and this is the character of both the
leader and the led...As to morality and honesty, the whole system has
proved disappointing...I have been in contact with many Baha'is, and
have had dealings with many and have tested many, and unfortunately I
have met not a single one who could be called honest or faithful in
the full sense of these words..."

Dr Sa'eed Khan [was] a highly-respected physician...who had as a
doctor treated the second widow of the Bab, and had for a lifetime
known intimately both Babis [i.e. Bayanis] and Baha'is in Tehran and
Hamadan.
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BAHAISM AND THE BRITISH

//bahaisandbritannia.googlepages.com/home

1. (Top Secret) British Government Foreign Countries Report (no.56)
16th November 1921

2. APPRECIATION OF THE ATTACHED EASTERN REPORT NO. LXX (May 1918)

Then see,

HOSTAGE TO KHOMEINI by Robert Dreyfuss (New Benjamin Franklin House:
New York, 1980) pp.117-118 (Pdf pages 73-74)

//www.wlym.com/pdf/iclc/hostage.pdf

&

//www.archive.org/details/HostageToKhomeini

...Today the Bahai cult is hated in Iran, and is considered correctly
to be an arm of the British Crown. During the destabilization of the
Shah in 1978, it was widely reported that in several instances the
Bahai cult secretly funded the Khomeini Shi’ite movement. In part, the
money would have flowed through the cult’s links to the same
international ‘human rights’ organizations, such as Amnesty
International, that originally sponsored the anti-Shah movement in
Iran. These movements also derive from the “one world” currents
associated with the Bahais since the early 1900s. (If any Iranians
have been misled on the question of the Bahais by the supposed
antipathy of Khomeini’s clique to the Bahais, it should be noted that
the Bahai cultists often deliberately encouraged anti-Bahai activities
as camouflage)...

Also see pp. 115-116 (Pdf page 72)

Note as well,
//books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=RvttAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22The+Handboo...

Reference :
PALESTINE

EDITED BY : HARRY CHARLES LUKE, B.Lr1r., M.A.

ASSISTANT GOVERNOR OF JERUSALEM AND
EDWARD KEITH-ROACH ASSISTANT CHIEF SECRETARY TO THE GOVERNMENT OF
PALESTINE

WITH AN INTRODUCTION BY
The Right Hon. SIR HERBERT SAMUEL, P.C., G.B.E.
HIGH COMMISSIONER FOR PALESTINE

Issued under the Authority of the Government of Palestine

MACMILLAN AND CO., LIMITED
ST. MARTIN'S STREET, LONDON
1922

Quote

"...Sir 'Abbas Effendi 'Abdu'l Baha had travelled extensively in
Europe and America to expound his doctrines, and on the 4th December,
1919, ___was created by King George V. a K.B.E. ****for valuable
services rendered to the British Government**** in the early days of
the Occupation_____....."

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NOTE

William McElwee Miller *THE BAHA'I FAITH: It's History and Teachings
//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/archives/Baha'i%20faith%20and%20Its%20Teachings%20by%20William%20McElwee%20Miller.htm

Mirza Ahmad Sohrab, BROKEN SILENCE
//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/archives/SohrabBrokenSilence.pdf

Vance Salisbury, AN EXAMINATION OF SUPPRESSION AND DISTORTION IN 20th-
CENTURY BAHA'I LITERATURE
//bahai-library.org/unpubl.articles/suppression.html

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See as well,
//www.bayanic.com [CLICK tab BAHAISM]

it is so funny:DDD

zulfi or wahid or sophia or nur or.......list is long is so cute in his/her custuome chains and leader:DD cool prophet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you shepesh for the link. i liked when ali p says he/she... that is what this janevar is HEEEEEHEEEE

More about our charming friend Wahid Azal/ Nima Hazini

Wahid Azal (born 1971 in Tehran, Iran) is originally Nima Hazini who is an Australian-Iranian controversial writer, gnostic/esotericist and self-proclaimed Babi prophet of the age (modest isn't he?). In 2004 he legally changed his name using the opportunity to declare himself the return of the Bayani holy figure Subh-i-Azal. ...   Azal has become notorious as the foremost public antagonist against the main Haifan branch of the Baha’i Faith/Baha’i on the internet....He also heads the Ecclesia Gnostica Bayani Universalis and is a founding member of the N.U.R. Group.

For his picture:

//www.geocities.com/baahith/Oldstuff.html

Gorgeous.

We can now put your words into perspective.

Sophia, keep posting these so that...

Sophia, keep posting these so that those unfamilar with The Bahai comunity can

see the safeguards Bahais have in place in trying to protect their children, youth and the restfrom the kind of poisonous agitator and divisive behaviour Nima Hazini has displayed over the years and in the last year on this site to earn the universal reputation he has earned purely thirough his own words and behavior.

Sadly one that has brought great pain and shame to his respected family, and former friends.

It must be said that, his internet "friends" and cheer leaders are to take part of the blame; for their admitted encouragement; although some of them , especially the IRI cleric , and others who enjoy his activities against Bahais share little or nothing with his twisted philosophy, and his candidacy as some kind of a new prophet. 

The organization you refer to is elected from ordinary Bahais who serve selflessly without the need for rank, financial gain or recognition.

The critics of this "organization" on the other hand are ambitious self seeking people who demand rank, recognition and  whose egos have no place within the Bahai Faith. 

I am sure you are familar with a few.

faryarm 

Farhad-e-Kabir, I'll tell you my dove!

Too bad! I am yet another one of those!  

On the bright side, not every Muslim hates Bahais!  I am as much against Muslim bashing as against Bahai persecution, and persecution of Jews and others!  This last bit had to be said and not left to imagination lest I am persecuted on count of anti-Semitism!

what a joke

"In discharging their obligations related to protection, the Counsellors and Auxiliary Board members endeavour to nourish the roots of certitude, fan the flame of an all-embracing love in the hearts of the friends, combat the age-old habit of conflict and contention and fortify bonds of friendship and unity, promote adherence to principle and the ethical standards enshrined in the Teachings, raise the believers' sight above the limitations of self-centredness that they may dedicate their energies to the welfare of the human race, and strengthen their allegiance to the Order of Bahá'u'lláh. Helping the believers to meet high moral standards does not require prying into their private lives. The nature of this responsibility is essentially educative. The loving advice Board members offer Local Assemblies, on the one hand, and the warm fellowship they and their assistants cultivate with the friends, on the other, are ready means through which they are able to advance this educational process. The cumulative effect of these efforts, combined with the benefits the friends derive from formal courses, for instance those offered by the training institute, contributes greatly to the creation of healthy and vibrant local communities. This educational process includes the imposition of sanctions by the Spiritual Assemblies, whenever it becomes absolutely necessary. In such cases the advice of the Counsellors and Auxiliary Board members to the Assembly can be of particular value.

     Although deepening the friends' understanding of the Covenant and increasing their love and loyalty to it are of paramount importance, the duties of the Auxiliary Board members for

[page 16]

Protection do not end here. The Board members must remain ever vigilant, monitoring the actions of those who, driven by the promptings of ego, seek to sow the seeds of doubt in the minds of the friends and undermine the Faith. In general, whenever believers become aware of such problems, they should immediately contact whatever institution they feel moved to turn to, whether it be a Counsellor, an Auxiliary Board member, the National Spiritual Assembly or their own Local Assembly. It then becomes the duty of that institution to ensure that the report is fed into the correct channels and that all the other institutions affected are promptly informed. Not infrequently, the responsibility will fall on an Auxiliary Board member, in coordination with the Assembly concerned, to take some form of action in response to the situation. This involvement will include counselling the believer in question; warning him, if necessary, of the consequences of his actions; and bringing to the attention of the Counsellors the gravity of the situation, which may call for their intervention. Naturally, the Board member has to exert every effort to counteract the schemes and arrest the spread of the influence of those few who, despite attempts to guide them, eventually break the Covenant.

     The need to protect the Faith from the attacks of its enemies may not be generally appreciated by the friends, particularly in places where attacks have been infrequent. However, it is certain that such opposition will increase, become concerted, and eventually universal. The writings clearly foreshadow not only an intensification of the machinations of internal enemies, but a rise in the hostility and opposition of its external enemies, whether religious or secular, as the Cause pursues its onward march towards ultimate victory. Therefore, in the light of the warnings of the Guardian, the Auxiliary Boards for Protection should keep "constantly" a "watchful eye" on those "who are known to be enemies, or to have been put out of the Faith", discreetly investigate their activities, alert intelligently the friends to the opposition inevitably to come, explain how each crisis in God's Faith has always proved to be a blessing in disguise, and prepare them for the "dire contest which is destined to range the Army of Light against the forces of darkness". 6"

I am new here

but are you yet another peaceful moslem? Dang, there's so many of you here. I am relieved to learn that.

Is your haterd of Bahai's therefore a diversion?

Do tell me.

Faramarz Fateh - Have you repented?! LOL

 "But I believe if an individual with seriously suspect rationality uses a medium with several IDs just to continuously attack a group of people, it would require an oversight in terms of limiting access to the site use as a personal vendetta tool."

Oh my! At long last we'll be able to discuss issues and ideas without Islamophobic rant then?  Well done!

Ostaad jaan

I have no idea who anyone is on this site, and do not want to appear to take sides. However I have joint this site recently and was horrified to see the multiple posts by this individual on a daily basis, where FARYARM and others patiently try to balance and correct in name of discussion. But this individual wants to argue, not discuss and agree to differ. I was just trying to be fair. I knoow some Bahais , my children went to school with those that were lucky enough to be granted a place in school, usually they have probelms of all sorts due to persecution. I just hate bullying and find that unacceptable. This is not done in jest, it is malicious.  

Shepesh, are you trying to shame Faramarz in a polite way?!!!

Have you read any of his bigoted posts about Eslam and Mohammad? If not, you better.  You'll find out what he really thinks about Eslam and Iraninan Moslems like you and me.

Having said that. I agree with you that persecution of the Bahais just because of their faith in Iran is unjustified, unfair and in violation of the civil/human rights of ALL Iranian citizens. 

Faramarz, een dafeh gol gofti...

"But I believe if an individual with seriously suspect rationality uses
a medium with several IDs just to continuously attack a group of
people, it would require an oversight in terms of limiting access to
the site use as a personal vendetta tool."

When are you going to give up bigotry, mard-e momen?!!!

Dear Faramarz_Fateh

Same person using multiple accounts with usernames Zulfiqar110, NUR, Covenant, Badi19, sophia, Allahu_Abha and now a new User (Death_To_Fascism) is still using this site to post hate messages with regard to Baha'is. He thinks that using this tactic he can justify his malicious campaign by persuading users that he has a following.

He uses blogs on this website to quote a religeon’s scripture in the wrong context to create hate and mislead.

This is pure bullying and intimidation, where a religeon's prophet has been depicted in offensive cartoons naked around women, where he is called homosexual, a bigot and a supporter of Nazis among other disgusting accusations.

Is this the type of articles and discussion that you envisaged this website to be used for? It is schoolground bullying of a minority which currently has 7 of its senior members in prison on trumped up charges of espionage for Israel, for which they can get death penalty. He has said that they deserve what they get on a previous blog.

I'm all for “free speech” but this is abuse on a daily basis on this website. And I hope the owner deals with this individual decisively once and for all. It gives Iranian muslims around the world a bad reputation.

Faramarz

You are on the Censor board of Iranian.com

Your bahai wife has charged  you fully.

She is taking good work from you.

Dr. Wahid Azal

May God bless you for all the efforts you are taking to expose this highly suspecious cult.

Dear Ali P

I'll take the liberty of answering your question.

This gentleman, who posts under names  Zulfiqar_110, Sophia, Badi19, Allahu_abha and at least 3 or 4 IDs here on Iranian.com is an ex Bahai who lives in Australia.

He has a major beef with the Bahais and posts several slanderous blogs per week.  I am somewhat certain that this person was "excommunicated" by the Bahais due to some sort of unacceptable behavior.  In this case, I have heard this person came up with his own religion while continuing to parade as a Bahai.

I am neither a Bahai nor a Bahai apologist.  I do however support their rights to practice their beliefs with hassle, specially here in the U.S.  

Nevertheless, a Bahai in the know needs to corroborate my story on this blogs original writer.

I also cherish the idea of freedom of speech and the "nothing is sacred" motto of Iranian.com which JJ has safeguarded since inception of the site.

But I believe if an individual with seriously suspect rationality uses a medium with several IDs just to continuously attack a group of people, it would require an oversight in terms of limiting access to the site use as a personal vendetta tool. 

sourcewatch

Dear Sir

Can you give us an update -is iranian.com still source watched? 

To:JJ

Briefly, could you tell us what this gentleman/lady is talking about?

Yours,

Ali P.

Note well-

Note well, Baha'i contributors and observers alike. The type of censorship that has occurred here, culminating in the blocking of a user's account for pursuing a particular type of criticism, has been documented. I would encourage the non-Baha'i members of this community to have a good, hard think about what has occurred here, and ask themselves "what happens when you DARE to openly criticize the Baha'is?" 

Enjoy your illusion of freedom of expression. 

Note well-

Note well, Baha'i contributors and observers alike. The type of censorship that has occurred here, culminating in the blocking of a user's account for pursuing a particular type of criticism, has been documented. I would encourage the non-Baha'i members of this community to have a good, hard think about what has occurred here, and ask themselves "what happens when you DARE to openly criticize the Baha'is?" 

Enjoy your illusion of freedom of expression.