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Fesenjoon

Whenever you learn to attack my argument instead of me, then I'll respond to your points. (That is if youre interested in my discourse at all. All I see from you is ad hominems.)

Attack you?

READ my posts! I am arguing against your posts not against you. Why don't you READ what I write before responding. In fact I have found several good qualities in you.

Just a few posts ago on this blog I listed what I found to be your good qualities. I called you intelligent and talented. If you take that as a personal attack then too bad. 

However intelligence is different tahn wisdom. You may be intelligent just as the Stanford Professor you agree with. But that does not make either one of you wise. 

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

VPK please stop it

VPK, I understand that it's difficult for you to tolerate me and my opinions. But please leave-me-alone.

Whenever you learn to attack my argument instead of me, then I'll respond to your points. (That is if youre interested in my discourse at all. All I see from you is ad hominems.)

Fesenjoon

First of all I do read what you write. The point I keep making and you keep missing is this:

• The problems you talk about are common among all human beings. They are not unique to Iranians. You keep insulting Iranians as if they are somehow worse than others. I will respond to these claims. IC is not yours; it is a public forum and I have a right to post.

If I wanted to be a pain I could go running to the admin claiming you are promoting hate. See what happened to Aryana. I do not do that. Instead I choose to respond with logic. You claim that Iranians are somehow more prone to terrorism. I show counter examples of how non-Iranians including regular "white" Americans are just as prone to terrorism.

You cannot expect Iranians to be better than normal human beings. It just happens that Iran is run by a terrorist regime. Now imagine Korea. Half of it is run by a terrorist the other half by a democracy. Does that mean the ones in the North support terrorism? No! It means they are under control of a nut job.

I am not going to shut up. If you love the USA so much how about Freedom Of Speech? How about respecting my right to say what I want.If you don't like it then use logic to prove me wrong. I am perfectly happy to respond to reason.

VPK, look

Why should I even bother responding to u when u dont even properly read any of the shit I write?

Theres no point in debating anything if youre not going to listen. I dont have time to repeat myself again and again for every person that walks in the door. Life is short.

You just continue doing your thing. Write about how you hate Carter and Reagan and Bush and Obama and Hillary and the US NAVY and foreign policy and Republican and Dem party, and capitalism, and etc etc.

And Ill write my blog focusing on Iran's pathetic existence. OK? Now, for the 3rd time, leave me alone, and go force your opinions on somebody else.

Parthianshot91 Jan / Fesenjoon

I do not think Fesenjoon is lost. He is obviously a smart guy. He also had some very bad experiences with some IR related people. He so much as admitted it.

I rather have Fesenjoon on "our" side meaning on side of hope. He is angry and needs to vent. After all the venting I bet you he will come around.

Here are the good things I see in Fesenjoon:

• High intelligence
• Good understanding of the danger of religious fanaticism.
• Passion
• Decent cartoonist
• Good command of Farsi
• Good command of English

Now on the negative side is all this hurt; and anger. But it may pass and when it does the good qualities will have a chance to show themselves. The main victim of this kind of anger is the person who feels it; not others.

Fesenjoon

I am tired fo this discussion. But I will not let these allegations go unchallenged. You have a right to say things; I have a right to respond.

Your statements are from an emotional point of view not logical. I have known hundreds of Iranians and they don't meet your description. You go dig up ONE case of a nut job out of millions who runs his car into some people. It tooks me less than 10 minutes to dig up a dozen American nut jobs. TEN minutes! 

Yes there are many religious Iranians. There are also religious Irish and Italians. I have good friends who are religious Catholic and Protestants. They are fine people. Being religious does not mean they are nuts. Same goes for most Iranians who are religious. By the way among ~2 millions Iranians in USA less than half are religious at all. That makes Iranian Americans one of the most secular populations:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_American#Reli...

You could argue about the accuracy. But the numbers high enough to be statistically valid.

What you are saying is like if someone called my sister a harlot. I know she is not but I still would respond. Because not responding is tacit agreement.

ParthianShot

Now be a good  little boy and go play with yourself, and leave the discussion to the grownups.

VPK

I think you just hit a nerve. This fesenjoon fella is lost and obviously has some personal issues.

 Remember what I said about some people hating this regime so much that it leads to them going bat sh!t insane and ending up hating Iranians, Iran and everything about it? Some people truly have no confindence. They lose hope so fast. Just shows their low self-esteem and how weak they are mentaly and spiritually. It's pathetic.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

Fesenjoon You are one lost soul

According to you Iranians are mostly islamist, then why don't you stop jumping on their nuts and stop telling them to take criticism? Since, according to you, we're allah o akbar yelling islamists, we shouldn't and don't care. So why are you even here trying to prove that most Iranians are islamist fundamentalists to Iranian islamists in the first place? What do you wanna prove and to who?

 I feel bad for you.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

VPK, for the last time

Oh, youre "tired of this debate"? Well, Nobody's asking you to come here and write stuff. There never was any "debate" with you.

So please go away and write your own blog and name it "me and my family and friends are the best, therefore I think all Iranians are like me. yipeee."

And please stop stalking me around everywhere, and LEAVE ME ALONE!

Dont like what I say? The door's over there. Khosh oomadi!

Fesenjoon

I am really tired of this endless debate. You think what you want. I know my friends and my family. I don't need to be told what they think.

Of course the Green leadership is a part of Nezaam duh? What do you expect. All the opposition not part of the IR is either dead; in hiding or in the West.

Iranians are no different than any other people. You have a trauma and are trying to take it out on us. Trashing Iranians will neither help you nor anyone else.

sorry to burst your fantasy bubble

Not only are people in Iran religious, theyve quite frankly lost their aghl too, when it comes to religion.

You guys can sit here and deny all you want, but it wont change the facts.

Iran is now a country with a religious majority, and if you cant see this, then pity you.

I guarantee you this majority will stay in power too, because the dumbass opposition are too busy focusing on Anti-Americanism. And there r so many of them here on IC! (Didnt you notice how the Green wearing "Ms. Kosari" on the BBC interview was defending Khomeini? Only an idiot can ignore the fact that the Greens are also actually a part of the NEZAAM, only, theyre pissed becuz of not getting a slice of the pie, you see).

Face it: Iran is an Islamic nation. Iranians reek with mysogeny and backasswardness.

Parthianshot91

You are right once again. The revolution was complicated and people badly misled. Most people did not opt for "religion"; the opted for free electricity; "esteglal" and a host of other BS they got fed. Go thank BBC and Jimmy Carter for demonizing the Shah. On top of that it was "mod" to be a Marxiist those days. Being "anti-Imperialist" was another "mod". Most these people had no clue what they were talking about. Do not forget it was not just Iran; Nicaragua has a similar revolution.

Now to the point. As Parthian says most Iranians were not born then. I don't know how many times we need to repeat this.You may not blame people who were not even born then! What kind of reasoning will put guilt on people who did not even exists! This is just more of the same. If Iranians now are responsible for IRI then Americans are responsible for genocide of native Americans. Germans are responsible for killing Jews. Mongolians are responsible to Genghis Khan. Folks it is just not reasonable to blame one group for actions of another. It is known as collective punishment. It is wrong and should never be practiced.

This guy is a dumbo

   Unless he only spent time with people who were advized to him by the islamic regime and their payroll, he would realize that most Iranians despise this regime fully. 70% of them weren't even born during the 1979, plus, 1979 rev is a very complicated issue, not to mention the support America and the west gave to khomanie and other anti-shah groups.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

Another idiot

This man is moron and he is out of his freaking mind, I am not surprised person like Sargord piss is agrees with this mindless white trash.

I thought Steve did a good

I thought Steve did a good job explaining Iran to Americans that have never been there. For example his explanation of Iran's socio-political direction in terms of "family values" is a reference that can be understood in contemporary American socio-politics.

And, what Steve is equating to "freedom" in this context are certain Western social liberties most religious people in Iran (currently a 60% majority) find unacceptable for their country.

So no, I wouldn't characterize him as anti-Iran. I would say he's pretty understanding, for an American. And yes, it hurts me to see the Marg Bar Amreeka" stuff. But what can I say? We are responsible for the occupation of the early 40s, the coup in '53, assisting Saddam during the Imposed War, the economic warfare of sanctions, etc. And that's why I advocate US directed rapprochement efforts towards the Islamic Republic of Iran. 

What he needs to mention is...

Majority of Iranians alive today were not old enough to trade anything for anything in 1979...

albatteh

There are actually a lot of things that this guys says that dont exactly agree with the stuff people keep claiming here on IC about Iran. Like "people trading away freedom for religious values", for example.

But then again, what does he know. He's probably "anti-Iran", just like me. hah!