Fesenjoon Returns

Fesenjoon2, Yes thats

Fesenjoon2,

Yes thats Jason Jones. He said that during an event with Maziar Bahar the journalist who was jailed.

You are right. They are all OGHDEI.

Me too bud. A federation where ALL ethnicities are respected.

Jason jones???

He said Iranians were racists? Wow. I have to see that. Isn't he the guy with beard who was rapping and teaching American football to kids in Isfahan? 

Youre right. Look at the posts by some of the buffoons on this very site. It's as if they have this insatiable Oghdeh to see Greater Iran emerge once again.

Me personally, I'd rather see Iran turn into a federation, similar to that of Switzerland; one country, multiple languages, and regional autonomy. It's a shame Azari isn't taught and learnt as a 2nd language in Iran.  

Fesenjoon2, Right on

Fesenjoon2,

Right on buddy. What’s also true about Iranians is that they have always been racist and imperialistic. Through my travels around the world and experiencing different cultures, I can honestly claim that Iranians are one of most racist people around. That is a huge problem and frankly, a huge embarrassment. I don’t know if you watch the Daily show with Jon Stewart or not but I remember Jason Jones after coming back from Iran after the 2009 uprising, he said that Iranians are very racist. As an Iranian, we should be ashamed. Racism is so ingrained in our culture that we cant even see it. The average Iranian, I’m not talking about some groups or some people like other nations, I’m talking about  the average Iranian, claims and believes his race is better than others and all non Iranians are inferior. The average Iranians thinks the Arab race should be wiped off, and Turks are inferior, and ..the list goes on! Again, we’re talking about the “AVERAGE” Iranian here.

In addition, we are imperialist. No one talks about how a future democratic Iran should look like, we all talk about how to bring back “Koroush” days and star conquering the world because we need to be the rulers of the world!!! Is that peaceful? Is that ethical? Is that legal? Is that morally acceptable?  That’s a question we need to answer ourselves. Look at our conscience and answer it. Simple as that.

Thank you again.

Iran 2050

Your last sentence is eaxctly what I meant by point #5

Thats why me and AO were wondering what is it with Iranians constantly having to subscribe to some form of religion

I suggested that it might have genetic roots. AO says we've simply been around it for so long we're acustomed to having it. Me, Im begining to subscribe to a view of genetic determinism (influenced by the environment) which seems to have a complex interplay with Quantum Physics (which is where we can seek the free will component). So to sum it up, I would say

ایرانی جماعت ذاتا خرافه پرست و مذهب گرا و طرفدار یک ناجی مقتدر در نقش حاکم است. اما همین ایرانیان این توانایی را نیز دارند که بتوانند از این چرخه خود را آزاد کنند. کافیست اراده کنند. وظیفه من و شماست که این اراده را در آنان تقویت کنیم. راهش هم نشان دادن کم و کاستی های فرهنگ و هویتمان است. کاری که در این بلاگ و بلاگهای دیگر سعی کردم انجام دهم. 

fesenjoon2 jaan, I wasn't

fesenjoon2 jaan,

I wasn't refering to you when I said some people ask for "removal" of Islam from Iran. I was refering to a misguided bigot individual here on Iranian.com who tends to bash folks like me and you for speaking the truth. 

He knows who he is.

Again, thanks for your writings. Like youself, I advocate for a separation from ALL religions from state. The problem is with us Iranians, half of us advocate of including Shite in state, the other one advocate to replace it with Zaroastrianism! 

"god is not Great"

I suggest some of you on this blog to read this book by the late Christopher Hitchens. It unvails everything about all three religions.  It's a good book, read it!

Fesenjoon - check your email dude

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AO

I find cutting edge and challenging concepts quite interesting. Especially those that challenge our pre-conceived notions of nature.

Not long ago, I wrote a piece here:

//iranian.com/main/2010/dec/perpetual-waste-talents

it discussed a researcher who is the founder of "neuro-economics".

In the very end, he was basically saying that societies where people seem to have higher levels of Oxytocin in their bodies, do better economically, and vice versa, tying trust, morality, and brain chemistry to eachother. Interestingly, he found Oxytocin levels to vary from race to race as well. But he stopped short of making any conclusions. I think he was afraid of what might follow if we go down that path.

Controversial indeed.

That's where I got the suspicion that genetics might be casting its net farther and wider than we think. It might be encoding (dictating) not just our psychological tendencies, but also our social ones too. 

Anyway, I always find it fascinating how the modern Iranian loves to blame external causes (and not himself) for all his maladies. It even goes against his own mystical/erfani teachings. 

IRAN 2050

As far as my opinions go, I dont advocate the complete removal of Islam from Iran. (Im not even sure it could be done). I do find Islam particularly offending and erroneous and illogical personally (as per Dawkins and the late Hitchens), but I agree that removing it by force would be the same as enforcing it by zoor.

What I do strongly advocate is the complete seperation of religion from the affairs of state. Send the clerics home and back into the masjeds, and put the law above all divine ideologies and Sharia. Otherwise religion becomes a tool for the maliciously inclined, as we see in Iran left and right.

Fesenjoon2 and Anonymous

Fesenjoon2 and Anonymous Observer,

Guys, keep writing and keep enlightening. Iranians NEED to hear the truth. For as long as our history, we never talk about the real issues. We never talk about what can we change about ourselves. We have to have this dialogue, we HAVE to change. For Iran’s sake. Change doesn’t mean “removing Islam from Iran” like some , to be polite, MISGUIDED Iranians say, it means being a citizen of the world, be socially responsible, be kind and be honest, be worldly, be open minded and be humble.

Fesenjoon - I thought the Playboy Mansion was heaven

Although I would guess that the women in there are probably not virgins.  Yeah dude, that teacher...and she was leaving her crying kids behind to go on some God forsaken trip to nowhere where she could be bombed...And what about that other moron, the guy who was taking his three year old boy with him?  I mean...come on, I don't care about that idiot getting killed, but the three year old?  Why would he risk his child's life like that?  And not just the bombs.  You're taking a three year old to some place infested with all kinds of bacteria..with people coming from all over the world who are not really into hygiene.  But, if you want to go do the crawling thing let me know.  I'll tag along.  I think I can crawl pretty good.  I'm in shape.

In terms of the genetics, I think some of the behavior, like the ever present Iranian narcissism may have a genetic component to it.  The rest is most likely learned behavior.  Seriously, Iranians remind me of a 1990's Saturday Night Live sketch called the 'over dramatic black family' or something to that effect.  It was about a well to do black family with two kids who were Ivy League graduates--one a lawyer, the other a doctor--but the mother had a habit of crying and wailing and singing slavery area civil rights songs.  The kids kept reminding her that their lives were fine, and there were not being oppressed.  Iranians are like that.  In a religious sense, they're still crying about Imam Hussain mazloom from 1400 years ago.  And they have applied the same thing to their politics and world view. They're still crying about imperialism, colonolialism...bullshit from the 19th and early 20th centuries that no one gives a shit about anymore...and they have built their entire existence around it.

AO and Iran2050

Heres another paper on the subject:

//internal.psychology.illinois.edu/~broberts/Bouchard,%202004.pdf

But then, like Iran2050 said, social traits can be changed. Even though we (Iranians) seem to like to respect and recognize a central authority (rahbar, pedarsalar, imam zaman, soshyant, etc), we can change if we so desire. Gene expression can be regulated.

Fascinating stuff. 

genetic or not?

Iran 2050,

But then again, it could be genetic.

We have a field dealing with the genetic properties of social behaviour:

//www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/behavior.shtml

Among the topics, some people just cant help being an ass, as you can well see on these message boards. Of course we can change our ways. Gene expression can be controlled, as is widely known. But nevertheless, these properties are inherent in the genetic codes. 

Insult flagged

I have no intention of going to "Mecca".

Very ironic that a person with such temperment is advising the rest of us. It is more important to improve self before lecturing other people. More insults will result in a direct complaint to admin. 

Iran 2050

Indeed. Right on.

as for embassy wall climbing

I wrote a piece earlier in support of AO's comments:

//iranian.com/main/blog/fesenjoon2/embassy-wall-climbing-healthy-iranian-tradition

AO

The beached whale. lol. My favorite part was the teacher who was bursting into tears calling Karbala heaven on Earth! Oh yeah? Well why dont you stay there? And here I was, thinking that heaven on Earth was a place like Yosemite or Trillium Lake. I actually swam in the Merced river! Stupid me! I should go to Karbala and instead crawl on the ground to feel what heaven's like!

The beached whale is exactly why the IRI survives.

Him and their apologists and tacit supporters like VPK and Trita Parsi.

btw, we have several ghadamgaahs, unfortunately. Theres also another one near Mashad. Dude, what do you expect? We have 20,000 or so Imamzadehs across the country. It's a whole industry for itself!  

Great article although I

Great article although I don’t agree with the points that blame Islam for some of the shortages among Iranians. Overall though, great observations.

We are racist, we are xenophobic, we think our crap doesn’t stink, we think we’re better than others,we think no culture matches ours, we think we should be center of attention and universe,  we are imperialists, we want to take over the world, we are dishonest people, we have extreme tyrannical tendencies, we have always been super religious (Zoroastrian or Shia), we love agony and grief (Zoroastrian and Shia), we are aggressive, we love “laat baazi” mentality, we give in to charismatic figures, we have little sense of social responsibility and also we don’t work good, intentionally, in groups.

All of the above are not genetic, meaning, those are social traits not biological, meaning, we can change and we can make all that go away. Starting from us, let’s ensure the next generation is not like that. We do that and fascist regimes such as IRI can never emerge again.

Simple as that. Long live Iran.

My last post on this blog

I think the blogger should take his own advise. It would be nice to see. As he is pretty much doing a number of things he want us to stop.

being thickheaded again, are we?

let me rephrase all of what I said for the mentally challenged and IQ deficient. Maybe it will help:

Here's what must be done if you want to see real change in Iran: 

1. Do not be Khod bozorg bin. You or your race are not anything special in the world. There are others higher and better than you. 

2. Stop being anti-semitic and racist: Israel has nothing to do with anything, and Iran belongs to the Tork and Lor and Afghani and Arab just as well as it does to you. Jews are not najes, and Bahais have every right to participate in affairs of the state as you do.

3. Women can be (and are in many areas) smarter than you. Respect them! If one of them decides to show a boob in a commercial, it's none of your fuckin business. Afraid of getting an erection and embarassing yourself? Well dont look!!

4. Stop making a fool out of yourselves by believing in so much superstitious kossher. Jinns dont live in public baths and they dont fear the Quran verses being recited!

5. Stop being a slave to religion. Islam, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Christianity, are all the same shit. Stop being submissive and start thinking for yourself! You have a brain! Start using it!

6. Stop being such a dumbass conspiracy theorist. It makes you look retarded as hell. Obama is not a freemason, and Imam Zaman's HQ isnt in the Bermuda Triangle!

7. Let go of your belief in a central authority! There is no Imam Zaman or Soshyant or Ghebleye aalam or Velayat-e faqih who can save your ass. Only YOU can pull your life and country up!

8. Stop being so stupid. A country should be run by people who know how to run it! Technocrats! Not ideologists! I know you have a history of killing anyone who tries to do anything 

//www.aftabir.com/news/view/2008/feb/04/c5c1202123719_art_culture_book_publication_book.php/%D9%88%D8%B2%DB%8C%D8%B1%DA%A9%D8%B4%DB%8C-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%AE-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86

but a clown who cant even speak English, knows nothing of petroleum, or has no management skills is not qualified to be Iran's minister of Oil! //sadrizadeh.persianblog.ir/post/5302/ 

A mullah that has no technical savad, should not be a leader or president or minister! The hallmark of your stupidity is that you even vote in their farmaayeshi elections! If Mousavi had won, would you really be cool with a system that forces Hijab, bans minority rights, and has an effective King ruling the country called Velayat Faqih? Are you ahmagh or what??? 

9. Stop acting like a total xenophobe! The Brits and Americans are not trying to get you! Quit blaming all you problems on them!

10. Stop the 24 hour mourning! Shahadat is not a value! Value life instead! Stop thinking about Hosein 1400 years ago, and start thinking about your CURRENT ahl-e beit! Your own people! Stop crying for Palestine, and start thinking about the girl selling dua cards under pol-geesha or at the Mehrabad parking lot!

Iranians were also first nation to free the Jews from slavery

Dictators are creatures of a nation and its culture

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About your two points Fesenjoon

I agree with the first one, and I have said it many times.  Iranians are deep down religious fanatics, even the seemingly "modern" ones.  And yes, the Shia version of Iranian religious fanatism started with the Safavids and with Majlesi, as I mentioned below.  You should really write a blog about it.  

And I watched the video.  That fat fuck from the upscale family-- who was crawling on the bare ground to get to Hussain's shrine...and then he got tired and had to stop half way through because he was so out of shape.  That was priceless!!  He looked like a beached whale with his big fat chelo-kabab belly.  That's what I have been saying all along.  The IR fits the superstitious nature of the Iranian society like a glove.  Iranians literally worship the ground that any turbaned olagh walks on.  Have you heard of "Ghadamgah" in Shiraz?  It's literally the footprint of some olagh--Hazrat Abbas may be?!!  There's a whole shrine around it and millions visist it every year.

As to your second point, I think it's a function of thousands of years of having a single ruler. Old habits die hard.  It's also a function of us really needing a strong central authority.  Let's face the truth, the Persian majority has really ruled Iran and its other ethnic minority with an iron fist for thousands of yeras.  I think that a sudden transition to a weak central figure will cause a break up of Iran.  I really do.  On the other hand, should we have a strong, oppressive central authority just so that we can keep the geographical borders intact?  That' the million dollar question.  

Boy he won't get it!

There is a difference between a dictatorship and people. Safavids also forced millions of Zoroastrians and Sunni into becoming Shia. They were a savage bunch. Do you understand a dictator is not same as people?

Iranians this and

• Saudi and Egyptians are the only ones to run a plane into a tower.
• Americans the only ones to nuke a nation; twice.
• Japanese sneak attacked American fleet; British did it to Iran.
• White Europeans practiced Apartheid until just recently.
• British made whole business out of slave trade.
• British wiped out the whole native population of North America.
• China's "Revolution" sent all its intellectuals to farm the land. And in Cambodia they just killed all who had been "Westernized".
• Germans wholesale gassed and burned Jews and you call Iranians antisemitic. That is really out there!
• Turks murdered millions of Armenians and still deny it. They get mad if France talks about it!

Yes some of these happened a few decades ago. But history is not a snapshot. Nations have ups and downs. Iran is having a down now. Others have ups or are in the middle. By singling out a snapshot one proves their narrow vision.

Iranians:the first nation that made Jews wear identifying badges

Not antisemitic?!!  Iran has the dubious honor of being the pioneer nation in making its Jewish population wear badges on their clothing identifying them as Jews!!!  Who know, perhaps that's where the Nazis got their idea about the same thing:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iran#Safavid_and_Qajar_dynasties_.281502_to_1925.29

Shame... 

Na-ommids

Don't tell others to give up hope if you have none. If your "proofs" are those points there is a lot of hope!

Xenophobic? If so why are there so many Iranians in the West? And how is it that so many marry non Iranians. You are just wrong but too stubborn to admit it.

Stupid! Well the above points are that is for sure. But I just got my latest patent approved by the US office. How many do you guys have.

Anti-woman? How about 60% of IRI universities students being women. That is in the most repressive regime Iran has in many decades or more.

Religious! Have you see how other nations are. Iranians are no different than any. If America has hope with all the Christian fundamentalists so does Iran.

Antisemitic! Well speak for yourself because my family never was. My grandfather taught me about horrors of holocaust. We never had problems with Jews.

Omeedvar - don't be so "ommedvar" in your people

please answer the following questions:

1) Is Iran the only theocracy on this planet in the 20th and 21st centuries?  

2) Are Iranians the only people on this planet who have attacked embassies and taken diplomats hostage?

If the answer to the above questions is yes (which it is), then answer this third question:

3) what does that tell you about your glorious culture and your glorious civilization? 

Dear Ali Parsa

Really well done you said what I wanted to but did a better job. There are obviously some who have no hope for Iran. That is their right and fine. But when they try to get others to lose hope I will respond.

I don't give up that easily and to me this is nothing. Iran has gone through far worse than Islamic Republic. The charges made are not worth a response they are so ridiculous. Besides logic proves they are inconsistent. Here we go:

An Iranian says "Iranians are stupid". That means he being an Iranian must also be ***. If so then his statements must be nonsense. Because it takes intelligence to make a smart statement. The writes asks students at Stanford "how in God's name did you entrust your country to a total illiterate". I guess he does not realize the students were not even born in 1979. But then what do you expect of a person who declares Iranians to be stupid.

This is a blog that rejoices in helplessness and preaches giving up.

Pretty much shows all the traits it is putting down.

You decide whether to be what the writer wants you to be or something better.

دو کلمه هم از مادر عروس

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