Fesenjoon Returns

oh pleeease.....

Jenabe Mohammad Ala,

Youre the one who with the B of Besmellah personally called me "backward".

So please dont go around crying about people merely responding to your attacks.

You dont know how it feels when you try to keep standing as a prison guard beats you with a thick wired cable. At that time all you think is "I have to keep my dignity by remaining standing up".

Have you ever been there Mr. Ala? Because I have.  

So please, instead of running to the admin to have my responses to you deleted, stop attacking others in the first place. You are in no position to judge me. When I was wishing for my death in Iran's prison, where were you Mr. Ala? Getting a nice little award at Cal State? No, really. How dare you pass judgement on others.

Simorgh jan

Done deal.  No hard feelings on my part.  I will tell you more about the sites later.  I lived through them since their inception.  Take care.

Mohammad Ala, stop lying and show your evidence

You have already been demonstrated to be making false accusations against me. If you have the evidence, let's see it. Otherwise, you will have been shown to be a prevaricator.

I do not hold any gruge.

Amir jan, your accusations and attacks were brought to the attention of IC administration.  They can verify who is lying.  Your profanity and accusations (e.g., Islamist) were removed… ask JJ and two other IC members who scolded you.  I do not hold any bitterness towards any of you who attacked me. 

Mohammad Ala, who are you to call anyone "bogus"?

Quit trying to have people divulge their real names, since this can allow them and/or their families traveling to or residing in Iran to be targeted. And as far as discussing "real issues", you are the one constantly focusing on the use of aliases and calling those individuals (who represent a large majority of people on Iranian.com) "bogus". Some 'discussion of issues" that is!

Fantastic

Ostad Fesenjoon;  someone posted a profile for me on Wikipedia (fortunately the history shows that).  After I disagreed with someone on IC about a year ago, Marmoulak started messing up my profile.  Again check the history.  I did not know this and it was not and it is important to me.  JJ knows about Marmoulak.  Fesenjoon you must know about Marmoulak that posted that link.  Fantastic. 

As I proved to Amir1973 and now this blog proves my point, bogus people resort to personal attacks to express their views rather than discussing issues.

Thank you Fesenjoon for proving my points.  I would not be able to do it by myself.

Mohammad Ala, you are lying

You have made false accusations against me, which means you are lying.

Dear Prof Jan

You need to know when people are teasing and when people are making personal attacks. Its not the same. Let's just metaphorically shake hands and forget it. 

Discussing issues....

Amir jan, I do not keep up with personal attacks… you attacked me on several occasions by calling things which were not and are not true.  You know what I mean and no reason to repeat or to list them.

Simorgh jan,   you asked before… the sites used frontpage software first.  You are several years late, these sites were advertised on IC and two other sites from 1996 to 2006.  Are the things you asked what VPK mentioned disusing “issues?”

Mohammad Ala, let's see your evidence

Why say deport them or report them as vildemose and Amir1973 and few others constantly keep saying? 

Where have I said "deport them" or "report them"? Let's see your evidence.

Dear Prof Ala

Can you please confirm whether the Persian Gulf, Iran Heritage and Iran Alliance are the same group? Why do you claim to be a member of 'several organisations' when they are one. Bare ma kelas nazar just tell us the truth.

The reason(s) Iran has not changed....

Ostad Fesenjoon your statements and self-righteousness which are not limited to you are one of the reasons Iran has not changed and will not change.  I am happy that (as you stated) you have better schooling than me and sorry about your ordeals.  With Iranian mentality, no one is or will be immune from the things that you listed.  These things went on during Shah and will continue after IRI.

Personal attacks and Accountability

I am not on IC 24/7 using a bogus name to attack “real” people by saying deport them, report them, call their place of employment, find something personal about them and post on IC.  These actions have not gotten us anything.

People use bogus names to attack others is that discussing “issues”?  Why say deport them or report them as vildemose and Amir1973 and few others constantly keep saying? 

At IC, lately or since its inception issues have not been discussed, only personal attacks on known people have continued.  IC members take their vengeance on authors rather than what they write… so much for issues…. Check Stockholm meeting discussions.  People are upset why no one said before hand who were there or what were the names of people or how much was the budget.  Are these things “issues” that you want to be discussed?  Why vildemose who cannot spell people’s names posted bio’s of people?  Why not discuss issues then?

I have said to you VPK jan before, do not ask me to repeat each time.  You are more reasonable than the members who belong to Lynch group such as Simorgh, vildemose, Amir1873 and a dozen others.  You are free to post your views but you are not free to attack people especially those who use their real names and/or live in Iran. 

As I concluded in another blog, looking at IC posts and the present carelessness of Iranians both in Iran and outside of Iran, Iran will not change for better any time soon.

VPK Jaan, Spying on anti-IRR Iranians and reporting back

on their identities to the IRR apparatus of murder is nothing new.

It's a rampant occupation for pro-IRR and it can have great goodies and benefits.

I was just on the phone with my brother in Iran who is a physician while I was typing this post.

He said that Iranian people are so frustrated and fed up with IRR in its entirety that they are asking from the West to take whatever action is necessary to get rid of it once and for all!.

Either this way or that way! 

doctor joor

zoor nazan doctor joon.

I'm much closer to Iran than you can possibly ever be. I speak better Farsi than you, was educated in Iran's best university, and I have a record of being arrested and tortured in IRI prisons. You dont. And yes, I have family there too. And yes, they dont see any value in keeping the status quo either. A military invasion cant possibly be worse than the shit that people in Iran currently endure (especially for those not living in northern Tehran). You have no clue what it is like to live in Iran.

Dr Ala

Why do you harp on people using a hidden identity. I asked you on the other blog. Why not debate their ideas rather than identity? An idea is good or bad on its own. Not based on who presents it. 

Do you think people are stupid to give away their identities. Or do you want them to be good targets for IRI?

You reduce credibility by discussing idenitities over positions. I don't trust Israel or any nation to look out for me. That part I agree with but I also oppose IRI and want it gone. Not the way Fesenjoon does because it won't work. But I absolutely support American sanctions; pressure and so on. Including support for Reza Pahlavi and other non MEK forces to overthrow IRI. Where do you stand on this.

You must have nobody in Iran? So why worry?

Ostad, nashood digheh.  Use bogus name or any name that you want, but when you accuse someone to be this or that, then at that time your right(s) stop.  I hope you get this one. 

I suggest you to go to one of AIPAC’s meetings especially when there is its annual meeting (usually the USA president also speaks at that time).  You will get better educated.  As an educator, I hope you take this advice because asking an organization which has their hands in….is an act of duplicity towards a country which you came out of it and now you do not like it.. .. you must have no body in Iran... otherwise, they are backward too (using your logic) that you came out of them....you can take a person out of his country, but you cannot take his backward mentality out of him. 

And by the way

for all those of you who cant read farsi, let me translate for you the billboard:

"On the anniversary of the night when Imam Ali and Lady Fatimah (Peace be upon them) had sex for the first time,

Serving a husband well is a woman's Jihad.

The Public Relations Office of The Organization for Recreation and Culture of Isfahan's Municipality"

This is the backassward Iran of 2012 that many people here are still trying to protect. Go figure. 

گرفتی ما رو دکتر جون!

and why should I not be using a "bogus" name (aka alias)?

Surely someone as learned as you can figure out why would people want to hide their identities in a place like this, crawling with vezarat ettelaat scouts.

Here, let me give you a hint:

//www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,4791489,00.html

And "backward" is he who is educated and yet will protect the very same rapists who have been raping him for the past 33 years. Yes, it is sad indeed.  

An Iranian can leave Iran but his backward mentality will not.

Attack us?  Who are “us?”  You are sitting in the USA, is it going to attack you too OR only those who live in Iran and are na sar-e peeyaz no tah-e peeyaz.

Very sad indeed, sitting in the USA using a bogus name, asking a neo-con organization to attack Iran…. An Iranian can leave Iran but his backward mentality will not leave him.