ILoveIran

Mr Ferdowsi, may I have an answer?

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My offer stands!

You prove your accusations and I'll show you how you're getting paid!

Now, who's the shameless Mullah-lover!

You didn't notice when I said
by Shahab Ferdowsi on Tue Apr 03, 2012 01:38 AM PDT

"...maybe some of the analyses could use re-thinking and fine tuning..." Nevertheless the core principle of what Azadeh has articulated is fundamentally sound and demonstrable. And, no, she is not saying "unless you're an Arab or a non-Iranian of some kind, you are equally responsible for cultural lumpenism." Her argument is far more nuanced, complex and subtle than that. That you and the other simpletons here didn't get this important detail proves her thesis.

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More shameless than the akhoonds are Zionists

I don't see any comments of mine being flagged. If you are talking about ILoveIran than that is someone else. You should address your comments to them.

IC is well known as a cultural lumpen cesspool where censorship prevails and hate-speech often descends into legally definable hate-crime. Due to the strategic psychological warfare implimented on this site by agents of the US and Israeli governments, the atmosphere of this site is polluted beyond belief and the site itself has the worst possible reputation amongst the entire Iranian community inside and outside of Iran, where its credibility has been pounded into zilch due to the actions of its webmaster, admin  and regular contributors alike. The founder and webmaster of the site was once a well-known IRI agent himself who later on went to claim he saw the light and changed his tune (whatever that means)! 

For people such as I being flagged and censored here is actually held as a badge of honor because it means we have managed to rile up, get under the skin and rattle the propaganda of the paper tiger which is the US military-intelligence establishment, the rightwing pro-war Washington lobbyist regime, assorted political interests located in Himey Town USA and the state of IsraHell itself.

Now where is my money?

As shameless as the Akhoonds!

Look at your comments where you have been flagged and elsewhere. Since your arrival, about a week ago on this site, you have been labeling others Zionists, Mossad agents, AIPAC members, etc.

Now, because you have started your accusations first, you prove that I am one or all of the above before asking me to prove anything to you.

If you cannot provide any proof for your accusations, it only shows you are indeed a desperate IR agent using false accusations the way your masters in Tehran do.

No one is desperate for handouts

You are as dumb as IR agents come!

If I were as desperate as the likes of you for handouts from IR, I wouldn't have left my country, to begin with.

Show me the money!

By all means, if I am being paid by the IRI, kindly make inquiries from your MOSSAD buddies as to where I may collect the cash for services rendered here. Find out the bank details, account number, etc. I am happy to pay you a commission for the effort. Many thanks :-)

And I can simply say

And I can simply say, you are a closet Khomeinist and a paid IR agent hard at work trying to distract attention from Mullahs' crimes. By calling Khomeinists, "lumpens," you cannot change the fact that you are indeed part of a team of paid IR agents. That is only your "taghieh!"

You are both lumpens

The Khomeinists and the AIPAC lackies of IC both. The rest of the statement is self-evident. It is only nonesense to those lumpens who can't think themselves through a cereal box.

As long as you agree!

As long as you agree the ruling Islamists in Tehran are worthless lumpens it is fine with me. The rest of your statement is sheer nonsense!

Arguing like your masters, AIPAC

Arguing like your masters, the Mullahs!

Right or wrong, Ms. Azazd has been crystal clear about the issue, especially, where it concerns the barbaric Islamists and their primitive culture of violence against women in Iran. That is the core of her argument against Dowlatabadi!

You didn't notice when I said

Unless you're an Arab!

Unless you're an Arab or a non-Iranian of some kind, you are equally responsible for the "cultural lumpenism on this site." That is according to Ms. Azadeh Azad.

You may not have noticed, but Ms. Azad seems to believe all Iranian men are lumpens and not just those who happen to disagree with you or her, on this site.

Du bist ein Kultur-Lump

The word Lump in German means 'a scoundrel, a cheat, a trickster, a thief' or 'a dirty cloth'. Lumpen is the plural of Lump. Marx coined the term Lumpenproletariat to designate a special class of the lower working class who, because they are on the fringes of society, are by nature politically reactionary and so make common cause with the establishment against their own working class brothers and sisters. The police, hired body guards and law enforcement in general, according to Marx, are usually drawn from the ranks of the lumpenproletariat who act as the social janitors and enforcers of the ruling class. What generally exemplifies the lump is his intellectual unsophistication and social reactionism. Many social scientists working on the history of the Third Reich have pointed out how the rank and file of the National Socialist German Worker's Party was drawn from the lumpen. The history of the Devolution of 1979 likewise demonstrates how the Khomeinists drew on the lumpen to consolidate their coup and seizure of power.

In the Anglo-European West, and particularly in the USA, lumpenism has become an endemic part of the popular culture and has drawn within its orbit whole stratas of society, from the working class to the ruling class. The popularity of the sound-bite press and conservative talk radio celebrities, like Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin, is an indication of American cultural lumpenism. Cultural lumpenism reduces everything to its most basic denominator gutting all detail or complexity in the process. Cultural lumpenism cannot comprehend nuance or ambiguity. Cultural lumpenism demands easy answers to everything and always shies away from depth of analysis because culture lumpenism can only ever comprehend simplistic slogans and never intricate details. Given this, cultural lumpenism is confessedly anti-intellectual and because of this the logic of cultural lumpenism is the logic of the "chomaq". Whether we speak of Hezbollahi thugs in the post-revolutionary era pouring acid into the faces of un-hejab-ed women on the streets or the shameless AIPAC thugs of IC bandwidth, we are essentially speaking about the same creature.

Whatever flack she got over her article, and maybe some of the analyses could use re-thinking and fine tuning, Azadeh Azad put her finger on the nerve of a profound truth: a profound truth which if not overcome will spell the end of Iran and Iranian society as we know it. Whether beating chests for the one handed so-called 'supreme leader' or for the uhj/Zionistan, Iranians by and large have become victims to the malaise of cultural lumpenism, and nowhere is this more in evidence than on this very site. Be that as it may, no form of cultural lumpenism is more obnoxious than the American one. Iranians in the USA, not overcoming the cultural lumpenism of a previous era, have also taken on board the cultural lumpenism of their racist WASP hosts hook, line and stinker. This, in itself, is indication that the mainstream of the Iranian-American sub-culture has been thoroughly corrupted and so is now corrupt from head to toe.

Ihr seid Kultur-Lumpen!

"The wrath of Gid be upon all Zionists"

Spoken like a true Basiji.

The only difference is that Israel does not commit these atrocities on its own people. Like a true IR propagandist you attempt to distract from the executions, rapes and attrocities which take place in Iran and draw attention to Palestine.

You might as well post videos of attrocities in Sudan or the genocide in Rwanda. It still does not justify the crimes of your beloved regime.

May Almighty God reward you for your relentless and undying support of the Palestinian people even if it means turning your back on country and selling your soul to the Islamic Republic.

Instead this happens in IsraHell..

The Wrath of Almighty God be upon the ZioNazis and all their supporters!

Please look at this contradictory none sense LOL

"This language and reasoning is the language and reasoning of White Aryan Supremacists or Neo-Nazis" shahab ferdowsi

"The Israelis try to make this a broader propaganda point to harm Iranians. It's just a little game they play." ILoveIran

In the first paragraph the writer says this is Neo-Nazis and the other guy is verifying his statement by saying it is Israeli.

For God sake please say something that make sense. Neo Nazis are against jews and jews are against Nazis. This 2 don't go together. Now, I am still confused which group I belong to. Either jews or Neo Nazis? How about Iranian nationalism? Some people on this site probably don't know when a person is so stupid in Iran, Iranian call him/her Arab. In fact, we say that person is "AZ BIKH ARAB" These words were not created by me or neo nazis or jews. It has been created during centuries of Arab Dog invasion to Iran. The latest one was in 1980 when I lost my 2 dear childhood friends.

    You may read the book  "2 century of silence" written by Dr. Abdulhossaine Zarin Kob to see what lizard eater arabs did to Iranians. I am not sure if some people here on this site can read it because it is in Farsi, NOT Arabic.

 Here is another proof that provoks hate among Iranians against lizard eater arabs. Read it carefully and watch the pictures. I wish I could get my hands on those bastards. I am sure I will be able to do it some day. That day is not very far. 

//anger-flame.blogspot.com/2010/11/blog-post_01.html

Thanks ILI but I asked for an example of the right model.

Is there any democratic country that matches your and S Ferdowsi's utopic idea of democracy?

This doesn't happen in Israel

Wrong Model of "Democracy" = Israeli Apartheid Model

It's a fact that Iranian-Jews are integrated into Iranian society, unlike Palestinians who Israel makes outcasts, subject to home demolitions, and expulsions, and caged by a fence.  

Darius jan we were like-minded from the moment go :)

Thank you for your extremely kind words which stem from your over generous nature rather than my deserving them. I couldn't agree more with your points regarding the obsession of our fellow Californian-Iranians with the American model of democracy - as if all other democracies in the world have got it completely wrong but we EYE-ranians who exactly thirty three years ago to the day voted - yes voted - overwhelmingly in favour of an Islamic republic know it better!!

I would like to ask our good friends ILoveIran and Shahab Ferdowsi to give us a few examples of the countries that match their "right model for democracy".  I am interested to hear to their rationale.

anglophile Jan It's so good to finally have a like mind on IC

I don't want to flatter you beyond objectivity and I may not agree with all of your arguments but I appreciate the logical construction with which you defend them. 

Being an intellectual is not about making crowd pleasing comments aimed at merely comforting our inner convictions and flattering our over inflated egos.

If you see what I mean ? ;0)

COLUMBIA PRESENTS: Academic Excellence With Hamid Dabashi & Sadri Bros  

otherwise all we are doing is merely displaying our own insecurities instead of confronting them. 

If again you see what I mean ? ;0)))

SHREK ACADEMY: Jebheyeh Melli Academic Explains Why is Monarchy BAD & Democracy GOOD 

For being an intellectual is often a very Uncomfortable position.

The pursuit of truth has to be the ONLY quest of any deemed intellectual even if that means having the honesty of being a devil's advocate:

DEVIL's ADVOCATE: Mir-Hossein Mousavi 'involved in massacre', says report

We cannot expect accountability if we don't accept the same standards for ourselves :

BITTER LESSONS: Sailors Convicted of Sabotage Face Firing Squad (1953) 

For Contrary to the often intellectually bankrupt assessments made against you that anglophelia equates treason or hatred for one's own fellow Iranians it's actually quite the opposite.

Why is it ok to boast about American Federalism as the late Mehrdad Mashayekhi advocated for a Post IRI Iran :

In Memoriam: Mehrdad Mashayekhi (1953-2011)

but dismiss a fellow compatriot like you who celebrates British Constitutionalism ?

Which after all is a Republic but implemented within a Royal Framework:

MONARCHICAL REPUBLIC: Political Participation in Elizabethan England

Why should Washington be a Role Model for Iranians and Not Churchill or Margareth Thatcher ? 

Why should we celebrate any given Jomhurykhah  as a 'democrat' merely because he boasts about 'Secularism' but barely behaves like one ?

Constitutionalist Khosro Fravahar Blasts Esmail Nouriala For Hypocritical Jomhurykhah Bias

As Iranian expats we ALL Love our country which belongs to us all and not just throse who claim to love it more or because they are lucky to be able live in Iran and reside in the West.

We didn't choose exile ... it was imposed on us by the thugs who are ruling our country today.

We have all been exposed to different political systems and probably inspired by them whilst living in exile so our outlook on politcs be them international or national has been naturally shaped and in many ways enriched from this experience and therefor allows us to share that outlook with our fellow compatriots.

Sharing an outlook and defending it is very different from preaching from a high horse as is often the case by so many who claim to be "democrats" and advocates of "human rights" but refuse the same intellectual accountability for their own past errors whilst demanding it from their contradictors. 

So let me just say that no one has the right to call you a traitor merely because you appreciate a different culture or set of values which you would like to see implemented in your own country or or at best adapted within a given framework whilst respecting the cultural differences and unique identity which shapes our own Iranian mindsetsn historical background and culture.

That's what Being a World Citizen is after all ...

If a Jomhurykhah boasts about universal values they are cheered as honest "democrats" but if a Constitutionalist does the same they are accused of being traitors or Bot Parasts.

What Hypocrisy ! 

pictory: (SURPRISE) Shah and Sadat Pro Palestine Statement (1975) 

All I can say is that Your knowledgeable feedbacks actually illustrate the neccessity for intellectual awareness and accountability before drawing simplistic and often unfounded conclusions as is often the case by those who dismiss you without ever raising up to the challenge of contradicting your arguments with equally blunt and coherent counter arguments. Most of  often merely cloak theirs by a perverted need to revise history mainly by political opportunism and only to make their likeminds come across smelling like a rose ...

As if they are too afraid of facing the Truth. 

Most probably because they know that it contradicts the MYTH ...

Shahrnush Parsipur: "I was Never Physically Tortured by the SAVAK"

For Facts of life are never clearly divided between Black and White but more often hidden between layers of grey.

That's why we shouldn't be afraid to look at the past however controversial and uncomfortable it may appear at first glance.

Any give nation and particularly it's so called intelligentsia has to have the courage to question it's views even if they may shake our convictions to date.

The Spanish have :

HISTORY FORUM: Franco's Ghost- Spain's Painful Road Towards National Reconciliation

So have the British:

How Truly Democratic And Stable Is The British Monarchy?

and many other equally deemed civilized nations continue to do so to date:

THE LADY: Michelle Yeoh is Burma’s Aung San Suu Kyi in Luc Besson’s Bio Epic

So why can't we as a people who often boast about 7000 years of civilization ? 

PERSIAN MAGNA CARTA: UK Foreign Office Spokesman on Cyrus The Great's Charter

How else do we want to build bridges of common understanding with the aim of creating the conditions of a genuine democratic society if we refuse an honest assessment of our shortcomings ? 

It's So easy to dismiss the past in the name of self righteousness but it is far more difficult to confront  our own collective insecurities and contradictions.

Like spilling crocodile tears for the Palestinians or the Bahrainis but overlooking the same injustices in our very own society:

LOOK WHOSE TALKING ? Press TV denounces "Saudi Dictator Who Seeks to Halt Protests

One cannot cheat with reality even if that reality is uncomfortable or shakes our own convictions.

Banalization of history By Darius Kadivar

So again thank you for tickling our crowd pleasing assessments by confronting us to our own contradictions.

So I want to truly Thank you for your objective and un emotional ( yet very humanistic in essence) thought provocative feedbacks.

This website needs more contributors like you.

So Long live our Entente Cordiale ;0)

A Francophile Monarchist from France

DK 

Recommended Reading:

Signed, sealed & delivered by Fereydoun Hoveyda. (The former diplomatparticipated in the drafting and voting of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights)

Iranian Diaspora Intelligentsia Unite Against Islamic Republic's Holocaust Revisionism By Darius KADIVAR

Well my masters did their best ninety years ago but ...

The proviso to the objective of the mandate was that "nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine".

 //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine#Religious_and_communal_issues

anglophile

If ancient Athenian democracy - where women, slaves and foreigners were exempt, systematically disenfranchised and not eligible to participate in society - is your definition of democracy, then Israel (an apartheid, ethnocentric and quasi-theocratic authoritarian state where electoral gerrymandering based on the aforementioned criteria ensures only certain candidates and parties ever get elected to the Knesset) is also democratic. Elections don't ensure democracy. The Soviet Union had elections, the IRI holds elections and current American and British duopolisitic plutocracy also holds elections as well. None of these models are what political scientists would understand by the term 'democracy'.

Last year the Netanyahu government rammed through the Knesset legislation which makes citizen-group protests/resistance against Israeli government policy vis-a-vis Palestine, and particularly calls for boycotts by Israeli citizens of the government, an indictable offense with punishment including imprisonment. Netanyahu's government has also gone on to ram more laws through the Knesset which stifles free speech and places further gags on the media. If this is your idea of democracy, it doesn't surprise me, since it is a British model of democracy (= authoritarian plutocracy, overregulated nanny state, overbloated police powers and CCTV on every street corner) which in reality is actually a farce (Britian being the consummate contemporary model of what 21st century Fascism looks like).

Your comparison of Zionism with Iranian nationalism is likewise spurious, but I don't have the time to get into it with you on this right now. Maybe start a blog on this point sometime and we can discuss it.

For now, cheerio old chap and jolly good show! ;-)

Cordially or not ... Democracy doesn't stem from apartheid

[1] Cordially or not ... Democracy doesn't stem from apartheid or mass expulsions.  Imagine if I took over New York, ousted hundreds of thousands of Jews, and then held a 'democratic' vote. [2] And Zionism has nothing to do with Iranian patriotism: Cyrus the Great never said 'carpet bomb the Palestinians' or 'expel them into Jordan.'  

You better hear it from the Israeli General's son - worth watching (and thanks for your politeness, but I disagree):

May I "cordially" remind the crowd that

دوست عزيز

I know exactly what is happening here. Keep up the good work ;-)