iranvataneman

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We are all entitled to our opinions  but there is a huge difference between an 'imperfect'  judicary systems and  an 'unjust' judicary system which bases it's inconsistent decision making upon religious whims and flimsy evidence. There is a whole grey spectrum which you seem to be ignoring here. 

Well  you're right when you say that many innocent people have been unjustly 'done over '. I too can think of many cases such as the one you describe about your aunt and others,  involving loss of life and thats why execution has ceased to be acceptable in most  countries.

Im not sure which I would prefer if loss of life or real life imprisonment were options I had to face but I'd like to think I would get a fair a trial as possible, And I wouldnt fancy my chances in Iran... the odds are heavily stacked in my opinion, especially if you support political views at odds with the IRI, if you're gay or female. Iran, according to Amnesty Int. has the reputation of having the 2nd highest number of executions of minors in the world. China being the first. 

So although I wasnt there personally, unlike you, I DO feel strongly that I  have the right to ask questions and  to question whether peoples  fundimental HR's are being upheld. Im not happy to leave it to the judicary to meter out death penalties here there and everywhere and I have little faith in their decision making what ever its based upon. 

Iran's lawyers question and contest the justice system .. why shouldnt the people? 

Javaneh

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Yolanda

Yolanda I can careless if I won you over or not. I just proved my pt. to you, and that's all I cared about in this article, to give my perspective on the case, whether you agree or not, that's up to you, I really could care less, you haven't provided rational for your take on this perspective.

As for Javaneh29, there hasn't been a perfect judiciary system in any country. You have to realize, court cases in every country in the world, are mostly subjective, and not objective. Anything can happen inside or outside a court case. In the U.S. there have been more than 1,000 cases where innocent people died by firing squad, or a death penalty in its 200+ years as a nation. Where is the justice in that?? If you are proved guilty for a crime you never committed??

I don't quite agree with you about Iran being pro male 100%, and anti-female 100%, if that was the conclusion you were trying to make. I've seen many situations, where the table does indeed turn, and that the man becomes prosecuted, and the woman is let off.

I even know a personal situation in my family, involving divorce. Where my aunt (In my honest opinion), was wrong and made a ton of lies about her ex husband, to plant a proper divorce, and also make him look bad in front of the judge. Now the case could have been based on hear say, I really have no idea. But the fact of the matter is, her ex husband, a really great guy, was punished, and she was seen as innocent and perfect, and I honestly think it should have been the other way around. That's my take.

In Iran, there have also been cases, where multiple men rape a woman, and laugh about it, once the woman tells a local cleric of the town, he takes it to court, and prosecutes the men, and hangs each and everyone that committed the felony.

With this case, we really have no idea what happened, a lot of it is hear say from outside sources. We were never present at the time of the case, nor are we the judge, nor are we the jury, nor are we the victim nor the perpetrators, so it's not easy to judge a case by its cover or hearsay. 

Thats why we can't critcize this courtroom's decision, because we were simply not present, which would make it unrational to say that the judge was wrong, the boyfriend deserved the death penalty as well, instead of lashes or jail time, and that Delara should have been free instead. We don't know what actaully happened, so the case should remain with the people that were involved, and gathered evidence leading to the trial.

on the subject of Delara

I think you have a fair point in that she did take part in crime that ended in the murder of her cousin and justice had to be done. That part of it was only right.

However were this all became  a little muddy for me because we can not rely on the judicary in Iran to be fair and unbiased and because it has developed the horrible habit of hanging children and minors without a fair trial. That is not disputable. Im not sure that Delara was not just a scapegoat in this crime. 

The things that concern me are that Delara was only 17 at the time of the crime, heavily influenced (we were told) by her boyfriend, and also under the influence of sedatives ( we are also told) and there was no conclusive evidence in the end that it was Delara herself that actually killed her cousin and not the boyfriend. Delara's character changed under the influence of this bf we are told. Amir Hossein who is I believe  two years older is free and yet he also took part in this horrible event .. where is the justice in that? and according to Delara, he asked her to confess to the crime to save his own skin. I absolutely have no faith that these issues were taken into consideration or that the evidence against Delara as the one who committed the murder itself is fullproof. 

I campaigned for Delara at the time because I believe she did not have a fair trial and I still believe that. I do believe in justice and criminal behaviour must be dealt with fairly and consistently but I dont believe hanging is the way it should be metted out.

Javaneh

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So if your a teenager it's ok to go out and kill people??

Teenager or not, she deserved her fate. So you think it's ok for 17 year olds to go out on a killing rampage?? I don't think so, age means nothing.

Anyways her life wasn't taken when she was 17, it was taken when she was 22, nice try ^_^. Regardless if they hanged her at 17, she took someone elses life, which I find guilty.

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She was a teenager....she was 17 years old.....