Jahanshah Rashidian

I was wrong about you Jamshid

At first I thought that you were just angry and frustrated with IRI but now it is clear to me that you are just an insecure, dark hearted and sinister person. 

You say: "And that is precisely why irresponsible people like you should be removed from positions of authority and power"

What kind of an idiot are you? Do you really think that someone like Ayatollah Khalkhali would even be talking to you like I am? 

This is my last post to you.

Re: Iranian-

Quote: "in Islam talking gently is encouraged but only to the people who deserve it..."

Only to the people who deserve it? So you do agree that Islam encourages violence against the rest of the people who "deserve" that violence? correct?

I think we are in total agreement for once. And who gets to decide who deserves violence? You? Khalkhalli? Khomeini? How do you like it if I believed in some religion that "encouraged" violence against you because you "deserved" it?

Quote: "I don't even consider them an Iranian, just a stooge for foreign powers..."

And that is precisely why irresponsible people like you should be removed from positions of authority and power. Because your like freely accuse and then hurt people.

It is YOU mister, who is a stooge of foreigners, for 1400 years you have been a stooge of foreigners.

Don't blow your fuze Jamshid

First of all, in Islam talking gently is encouraged but only to the people who deserve it. Ever since I have been on this site people like you, Amil Imani and this author have consistently trashed my religion.

Do me a favor and stop preaching to me "who the HELL are you to say this or that". Who do I have to be to say what I say? All their writings are here for all to see. I have no respect for these authors and they should not be treated with respect. I don't even consider them an Iranian, just a stooge for foreign powers.

Have a relaxed day. You need it.

Re: Iranian-

First of all "mofsed" does not mean one who is at war with god. That's "mohaareb ba khoda", not mofsed.

Secondly, Who the HELL are you to decide if the author of this article or me or anyone else is a mofsed or at war with God? Just who the HELL do you think you are to pass this judgement? Answer the question. Show me your "god given" credentials, show me any credential besides your self-thankfulness.

It seems that YOU are the one who thinks he knows it all, to the point that you pass judgements onto others. I have read Rashidian's articles and I don't recall he claiming that he knows it all. He and others are only expressing their opinions, an action to which your ideology is vehemently opposed.

It is the right of every Iranian to criticize Islam, Mohamad, Ali, etc. Your only reaction, if you are a human being, is to answer to their criticism with argumentation and civility, something that your religion strongly prohibits. In fact, by the command of Allah, which is written in Koran, you must react with extreme violence. Go read it, it's in Koran.

Re: Iranian-...

Good to hear from you too :) As I said before I Know How much you love Islam and how's your attitude toward Prophet Muhammad(PBUH), and that's wonderful and I'm not saying you're a aggressive guy and if I gave you this impression I do apologize..BUT Mr.Rashidian or Jamshid ( Sorry Gentllmen as divare shoma kotahtar peyda nakardam :D) ....have some opinions which I am not agree with honestly and sometimes they also have good points, either way I post my comments, and I know when they see my icon they will say aman az dasteh in Mona keh az dastesh asayesh nadarim :)

But seriously I'm not trying to change them I respect them for who they are or anyone else...so my dear Iranian-, PLEASE if you want to say sth about Islam say it lovingly and kindly if they accept that fabaha otherwise leave them to themselves...this site is just for exchanging different points of view and hear various ideas that's all.

Just Imagine for a moment, you and Jamshid as my neighbours ... I don't want to come and seperate you every second you' re fighting :D...why you two are like kard va panir??...PLEASE give each other a break baba jan ;) tomorrow it's weekend...Go Enjoy your times both of you.Please go have a nice cup of persian tea and listen to a good music.

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BTW there's nothing wrong with going to the mosqe, church,khaneghah,......(Mosa be dine khod Eesa be dine khod)...Good take care of yourselves, Gentlemen and Have a GREAT weekend, and good night.

regards,Mona

PLEASE NO MORE fight or ARGUE,Please talk with respect and civil language.

You Do not want to make Mr.Javid angry then he'll come and give you attashbast :)

The tabernacle of unity hath been raised; regard ye not one another as strangers.Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch.~Bahaullah

Mona 19

You have a remarkable attitude. Frankly, I am not a man of sword or violence either, even though some might assume it to be so.

As for a 'Mofsed', the definition to me is the one who is at war with God and the one who makes lies about God. Now, what goverments of the world do to handle them is what they do. I am against violence personally and especially more so, if good people are the target of it.

I have my own reasons to be a believer and being brainwashed by some religious leader is not it! Actually I have never been to a mosque for prayers and never talked to a Molla or mosque Imam in my whole life.

It is just that some of these people think that they know it all, especially like the author of this article.

Anyway, it was good to hear from you again.

Re: Iranian-...

May I say sth please because I can not hold my peace any longer?

I Know how much you love and cherish your religion,Islam, ( the same thing with me,and my belief)..But My dear Moslem Hamvatan, it's not a way to call others who disgree with you kafar,mofsed,....why don't you simply post a blog about who is prophet Muhammad,and his revelation ,...I may not agree with Mr.Rashidian or Jamshid,or any other readers....BUT if you like to promote what you hold dear PLEASE through pen and tongue, rather than have recourse to sword or violence... All men have been created to carry forward an ever-advancing civilization. The Almighty beareth Me witness: To act like the beasts of the field is unworthy of man. Those virtues that befit his dignity are forbearance, mercy, compassion and loving-kindness towards all the peoples and kindreds of the earth....

Iranian- Please Leave your observation here, and rest is up to the person to go after the fact and reality... and Please READ THIS :

The diversity in the human family should be the cause of love and harmony, as it is in music where many different notes blend together in the making of a perfect chord. ...
Likewise, when you meet those whose opinions differ from your own, do not turn away your face from them. All are seeking truth, and there are many roads leading thereto. Truth has many aspects, but it remains always and forever one.Do not allow difference of opinion, or diversity of thought to separate you from your fellow-men, or to be the cause of dispute, hatred and strife in your hearts.Rather, search diligently for the truth and make all men your friends.Every edifice is made of many different stones, yet each depends on the other to such an extent that if one were displaced the whole building would suffer; if one is faulty the structure is imperfect.

Respectfully,Mona

Iranian-,Thank You for reading my long comment. Movafagh va salamat bashid

Mr.Rashidian, I do apologize I didn't want to change the subject. It's just breaks my heart to see why we're treating each other like that...we have different religions,beliefs,... so what !!!! We are all HUMAN and we need to respect,tolerate, love,.... each other.

Jamshid

Just shut up and stop accusing people of killings and other non-sense.

Did I say stone someone or kill someone?

I am just bringing a point that people like you and this dumb author and the likes of him are demonizing my religion. I have high regards for Islam and will not keep quiet for you people to say whatever you want.

Also I hope that someone would pay me for doing what I do because then I can leave my crummy job and do what I like best, defend the faith.

You see Jamshid, what you don't ever understand is that devoted Muslims worship God and defend their faith free of charge. Unlike other people who worship money , they must get paid from foreign govenments, including Zionists to attack Islam.

Re: Jahanshah

Do you see what I meant? Although I agree with your reply, but just read the response of "Iranian-", and you'll have a better idea. He is calling you a "mofsed" (which means corrupt, a word used in koran many times).

As you can see based on Islamic teachings he is comdemning you to be a "mofsed", simply because you dared to criticize Islam. Note that he did not use some other word. Why? Perhaps because the punishement of a "mofsed" according to Koran is death.

This is the mentality of many fanatic moslems, the minority among moslems, but with the loudest voice. "Iranian-" and his gang are today amputating, stoning and executing "mofseds" on a daily, perhaps on an hourly basis.

So to repeat your statement, Islam critics will be popular in a freed society, but then Islamists, like this "Iranian-" fellow, are going to band together and start assasinating those critics. I can see a country like Saudi Arabia spending millions upon millions supporting them "to protect Islam", as they did in Afghanistan.

What then?

A Mofsed's dream of paradise

It is amazing how Islam has made the life of Mofseds so miserable that they have to mimic their master, Salman Rushdie. They dream of a world without the justice of Islam.

They demonized Islam's holy book by calling it Satanic Verses, but it backfired and the great majority of the world did not buy it.

Now they try to compare it to Nazism, hoping maybe they can have a better catch in the bag this time.

One wonders what is next?

Comparison to nazi and fascism

They've always said be careful when comparing anything to fascism or Nazi or Hitler. In American politics so many have fumbled the comparison and had to apologize or retract their statements. 

Just briefly Nazi and Fascism was the major force for starting and continuing a world war in five continents and only letting loose after a convicing military defaat.  If Islamic Republic or Iran cause another world war it is about how to split Iran not to concur the world militarily.

As far as having the freedom to criticise or devalue Islam what does that do for one personally? Here is US and in this very website we are free to not only criticise Islam but to condemn it, make fun of it, spit on it and everthing else.  Does that make anything for us personally? As Austin Powers would say, does that make you howrny?!

PS Feshangi definition of akhm.  When sun is hitting your eyes you squint and akhm. You're smiling.  Abarmard is actually labkhand-e jokonding but you get the picture :-)

Jamshid

I think Islam critics will be completely popular and free in any society freed from Islamist plague. there, fewer educated people remain muslim. It is like Germany after the collapse of Naism. Today, no educated people and very little Germans have sympathy for nazism.

Howevera, a great part of the Iranian grassroots remain Muslim for a while. They must be protected by the secular and democratic regime, while respctfully enlightened.

NIAC

It is in this light that I support NIAC. It is an organization based on bringing people and governments together instead of isolating and separating or antagonizing. They are sometimes accused of being pro-IRI which is false. Some assumed this simply because it is not NIAC's mandate to be a political group. But its mission, to get Iranian-Americans really involved in the civic system of the US as well as helping improve and hopefully re-establish relations between US and Iran, could go very far in eradicating a lot of issues. One must imagine what needs to occur for the US-Iran relationship to be normal again. It will not happen if IRI is severely violating human rights, for example. Also, once better contact between people in Iran and the outside world is established, it is very hard for anybody to manipulate them - just like Iranians outside Iran are not that easy to manipulate. It is a great cause and easy to reach. We should support them.

Mr Rashidian Religion has never been a problem ,But.....

It is the clergy of every religion who has caused it to stray away from the origins of it. Also it is a fact that every time in human history there was involvement of religion in the governments it has caused destruction.

In addition I believe you are right about this paranoia of "foriegn entity " .To me it's roots are from the concept of JEN and PARIE.My great grand mother blamed them for many things!!! and unfourtunetly as a nation we continue to use it for our intrinsic problems i.e prejudice and lack of tolerance.

As you said unity is the only answer: Light of unity is so powerful that could illuminate the whole earth....

Respectfuly,

Tahirih

JJ's intellectualism

JJ, Don't ever downplay and treat people of Iran like nobody; Take your pseudo-intellectual opinion and shove up you creative brain

That is definitely not an

That is definitely not an akhm.  

Feshangi

Re: Jahanshah

I agree with your article. Specially the part where you say, "Islam has strong roots in our grassroots because it has never been intellectually challenged".

Let's say a secular democracy is established in Iran. Let's say that political Islam is not allowed while Islam as a spiritual religion is completely respected.

What should happen to someone who wants to strongly criticize Islam as a spiritual religion, as well as its prophet, Mohamad? Should he be stopped as during the Pahlavis? Should he be executed as during the IRI?

A secular democracy is good, but we need to also ingrain the culture of tolerance among Iranians. The issue is that Islam and tolerance are like fire and water, two complete opposites. I don't know what the solution is.

Common Courtesy..

I believe in the separation of Church and State, but the State must have laws that Church members have to follow when it comes to the safety and rights of all Humans. 

There are limits to what a society can allow though when it comes to religion.  I am sickened by the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saint religion as we see over 400 children being abused.  Raping little girls in a place of religion can't be allowed in any society.  If this religion allows pedophilia, then the leaders must be charged with crimes. 

Iran is not the only country with a crisis of religion.  Brain washed people can be forced to drink kool aid in jungles.  We have do monitor these groups and arrest those who harm the innocent.

Looks like Akhm

Abarmard is smiling :-) you look like you are akhming :-(

Thanks all

As realised, we need more unity than ever. This is the impteus behind this article.

About the avatar, Irandokht is right; "it is not akhm". You need to enlarge it to find out a smiling pic!

Anonymouse

That's not "akhm"!

I hope Jahanshah doesn't listen to you and doesn't change his avatar to something like a Jistang-e ghorazeh.... lol

:0)

IRANdokht

Jahanshah I have a suggestion

My suggestion is to change your avatar.  This article seems calm and collective yet your avatar is getting blinded by the sun causing you to akhm :-) Perhaps a more calm picture would go better with your views and articles.  Of course this is just a suggestion nothing more  and not needing a reply. You can just ignore my comment.

Very true

The article is right on. I hate to repeat myself whenever this kind of topic is posted but the problem is never a religion alone. Religion can be and has been used as a unifying force (ALSO) that connects the diverse groups of individuals together. A fight against religion is useless as I have mentioned in my latest article.

well said

Very logical approach to the freedom of speech vs islamophobia debate.

I totally agree with you, we should not fuel the anti-islam propaganda, while we're already aware that the majority of muslims are not islamists. The results of such stereotyping can be devestating. Hopefully the whole world would wake up and put the humanitarian causes ahead of everything else that is so petty in comparison.

Thank you 

IRANdokht