Jahanshah Rashidian

Dear Shepesh

Thank you for your informative comment.

Dear Jahanshah

You should not be too surprised that Mullahs do not see rape as  a crime. A friend recently wrote me an email about this: Muhammad sanctioned rape of captives. Check for sources in the Hadiths – Muhammad was conquering tribes – and his men felt uncomfortable about – raping captive women in front of their husbands …Found the exact verse here – Taken directly from the Islamic Hadiths – “”

The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives.

Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” (Abu Dawud 2150)“”

Ishaq:326 “If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.”

Ishaq:326 “Allah said, ‘No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.’ Muhammad said, ‘I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.’”

Ishaq:510 “When the Apostle looked down on Khaybar he told his Companions, and what into error they throw, and Lord of the winds and what they winnow, we ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.’ He used to say this of every town he raided.”

Tabari VIII:116/ Ishaq:511 “So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered home by home. The Messenger took some people captive, including Safiyah and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself.”“”

Muhammad was no Jesus, or Buddha !!And these Islamic scripture versus are there for anyone to read.

Dear Laleh

Thanks for you concise recapulation of our sad history. Yes, buzz words are in the mouths of our pseudo-intellectuals to  totalise a satus of quo for their "reformable" IRI.

Dying process is essentially based on a deterministic rules of history which has much in common with bio / social evolution. This is not a  conspiracy of "enemy", but simply incorporated in the process of evolution. 

Our pseudo-intellectuals see the glory of Iran, but do not explain a relevance to it, some others brag about the notion of socialism, but do not taste the "opiate" of religion. This is the saddest part of our history.

Thanks again for your comment.  

The Invaders & Their Offspring

Impressively and elegantly, you have captured the notion of “responsibility” for the crimes committed during the reign of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

There is a consorted effort by our Shi'a intellectuals to brush this “responsibility” under the rug and downplay the role of Islam. By joining the reform camp, these intellectuals are attempting to vindicate their faith.

However, even a rudimentary analysis of Islam’s history in our country reveals that crimes such as rape and torture were the signature tactics of the invaders. This trend has continued to this day by their offspring.

Mr Rashidian

Talking of Paranoia: This place and the whole Iranian community, is a big house of trill and paranoia. You never know who is your friend and who is your enemy, who has a knife in hand just behind your back.

At least, when I get paranoid, I dare to ask direct questions :)  Thanks for clarifying and sorry if I judged you.

That said, still I wish you would stick to your first values :

"Instead I try to criticize the idea / ideology / religion, what is quite fair and democratic"  

As an articulated intellectual, this values fit you much better than calling people, Mozdoor.

To be honest, I don't believe we have a real IRI Mozdoor among us. I think they just don't need to come in this site :) They have more serious things to do.

But, this is my opinion, what do I know?

Thanks again for the clarification.

Ms. Souri

Honestly, I did have you in mind saying that to Shazdeh, otherwise could tell you directly, or ignore your first comment, as I often ignore "mozdoors". On the contrary I was telling him, and emphasised it with the word "priority", in a way to take his mind off your mutual personal attacks and calm him down. Are you a Mozdoor?

I am sorry for your hypersensibility. You seem these days to be so possessed by a paranoid anexity that you could not read my intention through the lines.

Jamshid aziz

Thanks for your great post, you have many good point. I agree with most of it, but there's another aspect that I like to point out and I think I will blog about it, because this is a very sensitive case which comes out every other two months (or two weeks) and I must clarify, why despite being an atheist, I am against all religion bashing.

In this case, it is always about Islam bashing to criticize the Mullas. I will blog about it soon and hope you will come there to bring your valuable ideas.

Thanks for your civil and calm approach.

Rashidian

Who are you calling " Mozdoors of Islamic regime on this site" ? Are you referring to me? Just because I said you should avoid bashing Islam at each and all occasion?

Please clarify.

Didn't you say this, in just a few post below? 

"I try to avoid this kind of Stalinist / Ba’sist /
Islamist method, and yes a method of a our past polemics in Cité
Universitaire de Paris. Instead I try to criticise the idea / ideology
/ religion, what is quite fair and democratic."

Now, ghasam roubah or dome khrous?

Mr. Shazdeh

Thanks for your nice words. We should not forget our priority which is to fight back the most know Mozdoors of the Islamic regime on this site.

Thanks again for the comment.  

Dear Souri

First, if you don't have time to read all of my comment, here is a short summary:

Don't blame ciritics of Islam. Blame the mollahs definition of Islam and blame moderate moslems' lazyness to have done nothing scholarly (non-political) to reclaim Islam.

And here is the long version: 

You wrote, "to relate this fact, to Islam in general, you should first prove that, this is a general practice which is going on all the Islamic countries prison, not only in Iran."

If it is going on even in only one Islamic country (Iran), that alone is proof against THAT version of Islam being practiced in that country.

"That" version of Islam MUST be discussed, criticized (even harshly) and hopefully eventually reformed. The reform will never come in the absence of criticism.

If I want to critize the backwarded and brutal version of Islam imposed by the mollahs, how should I do it without offending moslems who practice another version? I'll have to use the word Islam somewhere in my criticism.

I believe that moderate moslems should get a whole lot less offended by criticism of Islam by people like me, than the damage and aaberoo rizi that mollahs are doing to Islam.

But I don't see that in most moderate moslems. I don't see anyone among the millions of Iranian majority moderate moslems to rise for the occasion and make a breakthourgh to reform Islamic teachings, to take Islam away from the hands of mostly backwarded and ignorant mollahs and put it it in their own hands. to begin a movement similar to the Christian protestants.

Moderate moslems are just sitting there and doing nothing about Islamic teachings. They are letting it rest in the hands of mollahs. Even if there are some scholarly work, it does not go much beyond what is permitted by Ghom.

If they believe Islam is so great, then they should get off their rears and begin their own religious movement (note: not poltical, but scholarly) in order to reclaim Islam.

If a man is ill, we can't blame his symptoms, we should blame the root cause of his illness. Similary, we should not blame those who are (rightfully and justifiedly) reacting to 30 years of the so called Islamic rule. They are only the symptom, the reaction. We should blame the root cause which is,

1) What mollahs are defining to be Islam, and,

2) lack of any religious movement by moderate moslems against the mollahs' definition of Islam.

By convincing critics like Rashidian and others to remain silient, we have only given an aspirin to the Islam patient to temporarily inhibit the symptom, without actually treating the cause.

P.S. I am excluding Bahais as a religious movement because it is a new religion all together, and so it's not related to what I am trying to say in here.

Thanks for giving a voice to the victims, with this great piece!

Every voice counts! Every action counts!

Mr. Rashidian

Trust me dear sir, I am with you all the way for a secular republic where religion belongs to [masjed] and [masjed only] with ZERO interference in government.

I condemn any  act that pressures a political prisoner and any mistreatment of any prisoner.  To me a political prisoner has committed no crime and they should not even be in captivity, let alone mistreatment. Acts committed by genocidal regime of [Islamic Hokomat] will be and must be punished by brave people of Iran.

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thank you sir for your civil rebutal,

Regards

-YT 

Many Islamists in Iran when

Many Islamists in Iran when they kill or rape think they are doing a 'Savab' (to please God) and ask Allah to 'ghaboul' or accept it.

This I find horrifying whether this has any basis in Islam or only Khomeinism/shia version of Islam is yet to be unravelled.

Vilde Mouse, dingo, Natalia

I thank all of you for reading my article and your comments.

Dear Capt_ayab

You mentioned my words that “linking the inhumane act to a belief system is nothing more than hype and fabrication which only discredits the movement. Any system that allows this inhumane and barbaric act is of criminal entity, regardless of belief system.” In response, I suggest you to read this article//iranian.com/main/member/sudabeh-siavashan.

To see footprints of this belief system in the history and social life of our country does  not justify its legitimacy. It has simply been brutally imposed.

I am for a secular, democratic republic, not, for your Islamic reformist “movement”.

Rape has no political motive unless in IRI prisons and as you mentioned in Abu Gharib. I personally condemn rape or any crime regardless the country. In IRI prisons, the choice of victim is not random and according to circumstance, but planned. This is the difference between a common rapist from a one who is ordered or tolerated by a belief system.

Thanks for your comment.

Why did Mohammad and troops

Why did Mohammad and troops rape the slave women? Aren't they suppose to be men of God???

Mr. Rashidian

You stated[Rape in the Mullahs’ prisons is not an individual decision of an
interrogator, as one may commonly believe; it is a systematic process
based on a belief system, and for promoting a political agenda.]

Torture of captive prisoners is the most inhumane, barbaric and criminal act that can be committed, particularly rape of these helpless captives. However linking the inhumane act to a belief system is nothing more than hype and fabrication which only discredits the movement. Any system that allows this inhumane and barbaric act is of criminal entity, regardless of belief system.

//www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northame...

Excerpt:

End excerpt

//www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/20/usa.ir...

Excerpts:

Like most Iraqi women, Alazawi is reluctant to talk about what she saw
but says that her brother Mu'taz was brutally sexually assaulted

-----------------------

Alazawi is reticent about the question of sexual abuse of Iraqi women
but says that neither she nor any of the other women in Abu Ghraib at
the time were sexually assaulted by US guards. In his subsequent report
into the scandal, however, Major General Antonio Taquba found that at
least one US military policemen had raped a female inmate inside Abu
Ghraib; a letter smuggled out of the prison by a woman known only as
"Noor", containing allegations of rape, was found to be entirely
accurate.

End Excerpts

One can not extrapolate such criminal acts to the entire nation or belief system. 

Thanks for the thread

-YT 

Nothing justifies......

Nothing ever justifies raping an individual.

Mr Rashididan/Jamshid

Like you, I too condemn rape in Mulla's prison. There are many other thing that I condemn, which they do in the name of Islam.

but to relate this fact, to Islam in general, you should first prove that, this is a general practice which is going on all the Islamic countries prison, not only in Iran.

From what we have seen in "Abou Gharib" it seems that, this is not a  typically Islamic practice.

Thanks for having read my blog about my memories of the past :)

Dear Jamshid

Thank you for your support. Following your discussion with Ms. Souri, I like to say the following:

As you mentioned Ayatollah Montazari, let's say that he also condemned rape in the Mullahas' prisons. Is he an Islamophabiac?

I read or heard somewhere  that Mr. Abdol Karim Lahidji, the Iranian deputy director of the Paris-based International Federation for Human Rights, saying " I have constantly informed the human rights organisations on rapes in Iranian prisons and rape victims." Has someone heard one of these IRI rapists being officially accountable? Have you heard one of these IRI apologists talk about the subject on this site?

Today, as rape in IRI prisons, as a systematic method is on the increase, victims have total support and understanding of all honest people-- those around them, even their husbands and children.

Samsam111 / ThePope

Samsam111 / ThePope

Ms.Souri

Your hue and cry about what I have not mentioned may reflect your state of ongoing call naming exchanges with Shazdeh, which of course makes me sorry. I try to avoid this kind of Stalinist / Ba’sist / Islamist method, and yes a method of a our past polemics in Cité Universitaire de Paris. Instead I try to criticise the idea / ideology / religion, what is quite fair and democratic.  

I am not against Muslims, Jews, Bah’ is…, but cannot justify all crimes, destruction, backwardness, which are imposed on our people and are obviously promoted by any belief system. In a whole paragraph, I separated Muslims from “rapist Islamic regime, please read it quitely again: “Tolerance of such brutalities may not be the general belief of all Muslims and might be regarded as myth; however these are the mindsets of the brutal Islamic regime which occupies Iran and commits such crimes.” I criticised polical Islam from the Ghadesyeh tragey until the IRI event, I did not "bash" Muslims or even Islam, as you mentioned and denounced in a threatening style comrade (?). 

My reply on your second point is the following: Homosexuality or even paedophilia appears in any confined, excluded  and gender segregated milieu, —church, Hozeh Elmieh Ghom, or elsewhere--. It happens because a libidinal process is inhibited or disturbed. This however is different from the nature and use of rape in the Mullahs’ prisons.

Souri

I think you'd agree that a christian priest molesting a child does not do it in the name of god or jesus, nor does he justify it as religious duty. These people in Iran are committing these crimes in the name of Islam and as religious duty.

I believe that instead of criticizing those who critic mollah's version of Islam, we should first and foremost criticize those who have tarnished its name.

If there ever will be a (much needed) reform among Iranian religious leaders in Ghom, it will partly be due to the pressure exerted on them by critics of Islam. Of course, today they don't feel much pressure since they are ruling with an iron fist in Iran.

But if even the small critisism that is voiced here and there by a few is surpressed, then why would Iranian religious leaders ever feel a need to reform?

Lack of harsh critisim of our country's religion is another reason why today in the 21st century, we still have abominations called tozihol masaael and the IRI. It is also another reason why in Iran we don't have any religious movements similar or even close to that of the Christian protestants.

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JR jaan,
thank you,
Good as always...

Sam, baazaaresh hanooz daagheh:

(last 5 mins ...)
 

F*!# the islamic republic, its rulers & its $upporters.   

Jahanshah

Thank you & always remember bazar Madineh & Koufah in which according to Tabari,Ibn khordadbih & Masoudi over 30000 Kaniz women  mostly of Iranian origins were traded every year.

Cheers patriot !!!

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In other words, rape of

In other words, rape of infidels in Islam is sanctioned behavior. The rapists are basically doing God's work. What Hadith or soureh permits rapes of infidels. How did Mohammad justify the rape of others??

What about rape in

What about rape in any prison?

Mr Rashidian

False again!

Rape of male or female is nothing typically related to Islam nor typically happening only  in prison.

The lobbies of Vatican are full of those stories. How many suicides you have heard about, which were committed inside of Vatican by the young students?

How many rapes you have heard, which have been committed by the priests of the Churches?

Do I have to give you another example, like the French or the Britannic Army?

Stop relating evryting bad to Islam please, I told you this before.

There is Islam, and there is Islamic Republic of Iran.

Don't mix things please.

Stop bashing Islam. Bashing religion is as bad as bashing race or gender, Mr. Rashidian. By bashing Islam, you are insulting millions of Muslim in the world.

Article 2 de la declaration niverselle des droits de l'homme:

1.Chacun peut se prévaloir de tous les droits et de toutes les libertés proclamés dans la présente Déclaration, sans distinction aucune, notamment de race, de couleur, de sexe, de langue, de religion, d'opinion politique ou de toute autre opinion, d'origine nationale ou sociale, de fortune, de naissance ou de
toute autre situation

Dear Jahanshah

"Rape in the Mullahs’ prisons is not an individual decision of an interrogator, as one may commonly believe; it is a systematic process based on a belief system"

I couldn't agree more. As always this was a good read

Je Serais Honoré JR Jaan ;0)

Amicalement,

DK