Cho Iran nabashad, tan-e-man mabad.

Here is a Sad story

Of Iraq.

I think this fit's this thread perfectly.

It reveals quite a bit of the U.S. and the West's involvement for encouraging Saddam.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeY05iS5iv0

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Timothy, is this the guy you are talking about?

Halliburton sold to him too! //www.commondreams.org/views04/1012-33.htm

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xpc

Point taken.  It's just difficult to hear "halliburton" without thinking of Cheney. And when you think of Cheney... well, what can I say.  I agree that it's a little over the top blaming him personally, but.

But.  But.  But.

Here is your humanity

 You want to match this one?

 Saddam Hussein

Kill tally: Approaching two million, including between 150,000 and 340,000 Iraqi and between 450,000 and 730,000 Iranian combatants killed during the Iran-Iraq War. An estimated 1,000 Kuwaiti nationals killed following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. No conclusive figures for the number of Iraqis killed during the Gulf War, with estimates varying from as few as 1,500 to as many as 200,000. Over 100,000 Kurds killed or "disappeared". No reliable figures for the number of Iraqi dissidents and Shia Muslims killed during Saddam's reign, though estimates put the figure between 60,000 and 150,000. (Mass graves discovered following the US occupation of Iraq in 2003 suggest that the total combined figure for Kurds, Shias and dissidents killed could be as high as 300,000). Approximately 500,000 Iraqi children dead because of international trade sanctions introduced following the Gulf War.

Capt Crunch- Independent Contract's are legal

That's why the Govt pour's thru million's of 1099's every year's.

It's a free country Captain.I know you're not used to that.

It may suprise you that some people even work -Under the table.Yes right here,in the good ole U.S.A..I know that must be a shock to you? You never heard of it?

If you sign any contract you're still better off than those working under the table..Unless of course you're in Iraq..

Who is responsible for the gang rape? The people who DID it..Unless Cheney has a very very long,,well I shouldn't go there.

For Saddam,spare me your tears.. 

P/S Mr. Floyed

Mr. Chaney and the gang, including Mr. Bush, Rumsfield and entire war party , asides from this poor girl are responsible for death of 1000's US soldiers, agony of their families and their fatherless/motherless children. 

They are responsible for death of 100's of thousands of innocent Iraqi women and children.

They are responsible for displacement of million of Iraqi innocent citizens.

Iraq attacked my country killing 100's of thousand, but my hate of Iraqi's does not make this war justified sir. We as this nation MUST hold responsible the parties who brought this shameful chapter to US history.

So please sir, you can disagree with me as you wish, but this does not absolve Chaney, Bush, Rumsfield, Rice and entire neocon war party of this shameful crime against humanity SIR.

-YT 

Mr. Floyed Pure Politics

Read my links and my comment again please.

The poor country is under siege, how can you NOT make it political? There are ample evidence that we went to war with Iraq for two main reasons. To make sure Israel is safe, and to plunder.

And who has been the one  who profited from the plunder most? Halliburton.

Who presided in both tables? I mean Pentagon procurement and Halliburton Chair-ship? Mr. Chaney.

Who is Mr. Chaney? Both the war manager, [procurer] and Employer. This is not really that complicated to establish the dirty connection. What we are  neglecting is WHO is responsible for this girls brutal gang rape while she worked for Halliburton? WHO?

Who broke the US employment and safety law by having a waiver signed?  Here in US, they grill employers for failure in providing safe and decent working environment for the employees.

Even your guest in your home, if injured because of your negligence, you as the home owner are responsible. If not, why then every home owners policy REQUIRES liability coverage?

-YT 

Captain

What I disagree is making this case political.

I'm tired of the Halliburton pro's and con's.But The one pro that always got me is,and maybe I'm misled but who else does Halliburton's job? The 'No-bid' contract's,who is it that got left out of the bid? Was there really another company like Halliburton available? But enough of that yawn...

There's a case here.This is a serious criminal offense.

The law is questionable in this case but I believe citizenship law say's you must abide the laws inside and outside of America.

I defend Independent contract's but they only go so far.They don't hold up in cases of serious crime.Heck,They don't even hold up if the Govt decides it wants to audit you and tax the crap out of you. 

I know I agree,she should have had her gun.But I don't know the whole story.I am skeptical of the story and the storyteller's.Not that I don't believe her,I just don't know the story.

 What gets me is,I can't imagine some Republican's promoting rape and notice the round about way they make it appear so.I don't like dishonesty.I don't like to be lied to or misled like I am a gullible puppet,that's why I don't read the Huffington Post,the daily Kos and other sites that might as well say to me- 'I can only think like a democrat'.

Oh and Captain,I am not sure of the contract,but I pretty sure the word 'employee' does not apply,not the laws of being a 'employee'

Mr Floyed

Obviously we are missing the big picture here. Allow me to bring to your attention.

According to the thread[She was not allowed to sue Halliburton/KBR because her
employment contract said that sexual assault allegations would be heard
in private arbitration--]

1. Why would there be a contract specifically preventing her from suing even before it happened?Unless there has been history of this before.

2. It is up to the employer to grantee the safety of the employee in work place. US Law mandates safety of the workers in the work place. PERIOD

3. Trump Plaza WILL be responsible if they force the guests to sign a waiver before entering the Plaza. 

4. Trump Plaza or any other entity are held responsible IF they fail to provide reasonable safety measures in the premise. Case proof is the liability when some one slips and falls due to wet floor condition and in absence of any reasonable warning signs.

my good man, the point is that she was forced to sign a waiver. why other contractors who are not linked to EX VP have not had their employees sign such contracts? You tell me.

-YT 

timothyfloyd

Here is a hypothetical,it's like someone getting raped at the Trump plaza and blaming Donald Trump for it.Then we have all these people who hate Donald Trump going right along with it.

It's more like getting raped in Trump Plaza and then finding out that Donald Trump made an agreement with the state of new York that made his employees immune from prosecution for any crimes that occured on his property. And that you unwittingly signed an agreement stating that you were OK with that when you checked in. It's a pretty good gig for Donald Trump and any thugs in his employ... not so much for everyone else, though.

che khabar e & others

Or would you dispute that Cheney is a borderline criminal?

He shot a guy in the face, didn't he? I'm pretty sure if I shot a guy in the face I'd be in big trouble, but not so when Cheney does it...

I just object to the whole "Halliburton" thing because it's been a rallying cry of the left for so long. The problem was a lot bigger than Halliburton and Dick Cheney. The private mercenaries that were employed in Iraq did a lot more harm to a lot more people than Halliburton ever did.

Ayhab,

What part of the statement you claim to be dishonest? Is the fact that US attacked Iraq because...

No, the part where yousaid Cheney owned Halliburton. As fow which part was partisan... which part wasn't? And as CKE put it... what the hell does israel have to do with this? And you pawning this off as old school colonialism... sorry, but as far as I know even in the old days the Colonial powers did not make colonials exempt even from their OWN laws.

timothyfloyd, I disagree with you on this one. Granting immunity from criminal prosecution to private citizens working as contractors in Iraq was stupidity. That woman who was raped should have gotten hold of a rifle and killed the guys who did it to her. At least then some justice would have been done. And the worst that could have happened to her is that she'd have been fired, right?

So? Did Cheney Rape?

Or did the RAPIST'S do it?

Capt you're sailing away from my question,which was 'What did Cheney have to do with it?'.and I mean directly,not indirectly as you replied in a copy and paste reply from some other person's data/opinion...so I put it bluntly in my comment title.

You know Cheney was elected 2 times and the 2nd time American's knew all about Halliburton.

What does that have to do with this rape case?

Here is a hypothetical,it's like someone getting raped at the Trump plaza and blaming Donald Trump for it.Then we have all these people who hate Donald Trump going right along with it.

Doesn't their hate become just so transparent to you or do you bother to observe?

P/S Chaney

//www.commondreams.org/views03/0403-10.htm

This is not the first buck that Cheney's former company has made off
military conflict and likely won't be the last. KBR currently has
thousands of military support personnel on the ground in Kuwait and
Turkey as part of a multi-year contract worth close to a billion
dollars. The engineering subsidiary was also one of a select few firms
invited to bid on an initial $900 million USAID contract for rebuilding
post-war Iraq. Though it didn't get that job, Halliburton says it is
still in the running for subcontracts and there will likely be plenty
more opportunities. After all, the American Academy of Sciences
estimates the rebuilding Iraq will cost between $30 and $105 billion
dollars. At a recent investor conference call, Halliburton reported a
30% increase in year-over-year revenues, to $1.6 billion, for KBR. 

The Cheney-Halliburton story is the classic military-industrial
revolving door tale. As Secretary of Defense under Bush I, Cheney paid
Brown and Root services (now Kellogg Brown and Root) $3.9 million to
report on how private companies could help the U.S. Army as Cheney cut
hundreds of thousands of Army jobs. Then Brown and Root won a five-year
contract to provide logistics for the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers all
over the globe. In 1995, Cheney became CEO and Halliburton jumped from
73rd to 18th on the Pentagon's list of top contractors, benefiting from
at least $3.8 billion in federal contracts and taxpayer-insured loans,
according to the Center for Public Integrity. 

Cheney, who served as CEO from 1995 to 2000, continues to receive as
much as $1 million a year in deferred compensation as Halliburton
executives enjoy a seat at the table during Administration discussions
over how to handle post-war oil production in Iraq. 

End

-YT 

Do you even question?

She still is allowed to sue legally.

What does Cheney have to do with it?

Why was she unarmed in Iraq?

The Republicans were protecting the Independent Contract law. I don't know if you have ever signed one but they treat you like crap and pay you good.Supposedly because noone else will do it.

This is just typical 'Huffington Post' slander.When they are thru,it will be a totalitarian system in America.But even Democrats are begining to run away due to their credibility.

It's a shame how they propagate serious story's.Some people I would like to ask,Do you really like to just hear one side without thinking? Are you really that partisan? Do you even question anymore what the 'Huffington Post' say's?

The equivalent would be posting a 'Town Hall' story here.

Craig

What partisan issue?

This kind of laws go back to colonial age, where the citizens of the colonizing country were immune from prosecution.

What part of the statement you claim to be dishonest? Is the fact that US attacked Iraq because Israel wanted so? or is it because Chaney was one of the responsible people who got that war stared because of Israel.

Dude read up before you start your slanders.

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When a prominent American political figure speaks boldly about Jewish-Zionist power, that's news. So the remarks by South Carolina's
senior Senator in May 2004 that Iraq was invaded "to secure Israel,"
and that "everybody" in Washington knows it, are indeed remarkable.

Ernest "Fritz" Hollings, a Democrat who has represented his state in the US Senate since 1966, is now serving his final term in Washington. That fact may also help explain why he's now willing to defy the pro-Israel
lobby and speak candidly about its power.  

It began with an essay, headlined "Bush's Failed Mideast Policy is Creating More Terrorism," which appeared in the Charleston daily Post and Courier, May 6, 2004.

"With Iraq no threat, why invade a sovereign country?," he wrote. "The
answer: President Bush's policy to secure Israel. Led by [Paul] Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and Charles Krauthammer, for years there had
been a domino school of thought that the way to guarantee Israel's security is to spread democracy in the area."

Several Zionist organizations, as well as some prominent Jewish political figures, quickly chastised Hollings, and his remarks were denounced as
anti-Semitic.

Source: //www.ihr.org/news/040716_hollings.shtml

See also //www.ihr.org/leaflets/iraqwar.shtml

You can see the original article here : //www.wrmea.com/archives/July_Aug_2004/0407021.html

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How about Chaney and the Halliburton? what part of that is dishonest?

See my previous link baba jan

-YT 

stepping in for a moment

XPC... Cheney was more than just an executive and shareholder.  He was the Chairman and the CEO.  Considerably less than an "owner" but still... much much MUCH more than just an executive.  Regardless of your personal political affliation (and can I assume you're a republican?), would you really dispute that Cheney had tremendous influence at Halliburton?  Or would you dispute that Cheney is a borderline criminal?  I know... that might be pushing it but surely you can understand the anger, distrust and utter contempt most people have for him. 

Screw any agreement I signed... I'm sure I could find someone who would take them on, especially now. 

as a side note... what the hell does this blog have to do with Israel? 

Ayhab

There's no need to make this a partisan issue. I don't think you'd find many people who are happy about what happened with private contractors in Iraq. That's one of the reasons so many republicans voted for democrats in the last election.

I am sure you all know our beloved ex VP, Mr. Chaney is the owner, and
that is why they even got the contracts, and that is why, besides doing
the Israel,s dirty work, US went on war with Iraq.

So not only partisan, but dishonest too? Halliburton is a very large publicly traded company. It is owned by the shareholders. Cheney was an executive at Halliburton as I recall, and a shareholder. He did have a connection, but in no way can he or anyoneone else be called "the owner". And as I'm sure you know the problem went far beyond Halliburton.

XPC

Even 'at will' employment laws afford the employee a lot of rights (at least in CA) which is not clearly understood by a lot of employers/employees. The 'At Will' notion only refers to the continuation / termination of employment and even then it doesn't mean the employer can act in a bias manner. There are still many many labor dept regulations that they must abide by.

Halliburton !

I guess we are forgetting who is the owner of  Halliburton???

I am sure you all know our beloved ex VP, Mr. Chaney is the owner, and that is why they even got the contracts, and that is why, besides doing the Israel,s dirty work, US went on war with Iraq.

Read 'em and weep 

//www.halliburtonwatch.org/about_hal/chronolo...

-YT 

ID

I thought you had blogged about the employment at will that is also an anti-worker law in California

I don't think I've ever had a job that wasn't an "at will" employment agreement. In what way do you feel it's anti-worker? You want unions for white collar workers or something? Are working conditions really so bad for people who work white collar jobs that they(we) need unions?

The issue is not rape

Nor is it employment contracts.

The issue is that the US government (the state department specifically) granted private corporations and mercenary companies immunity from both US law and from Iraqi law. They were literally above the law. What I found most shocking when I looked into this was that private contractors didn't even have to answer to the US military in Iraq... while Iraq itself was under US martial law! So the Iraqis can't prosecute them. US civil courts can't prosecute them. The US military can't prosecute them. What the hell did the US State Department think was going to happen under those circumstances? Personally, I'd like to see whoever came up with that brilliant idea in the first place being prosecuted. And it's a damn shame we can't retroactively revoke immunity.

Areh Javad

This type of injustice happens all the time. It is sad and unfair that the powerful coprorations with official support can get away with these atrocities.

But enough of that. I find it interesting, but not surprising, that your islamist agenda only focuses on the western-sponsored crimes and NOT those comitted by your very masters, the fucking Islamic Regime, against their very own people who are supposedly your fellow countrymen and women.

you're right

I was also shocked that 30 republicans voted against an "anti-rape" amendment! It's infuriating.

I thought you had blogged about the employment at will that is also an anti-worker law in California, but the situation with the gov contractors, especially the rape clause is so much worse.

Thanks for the post

IRANdokht