Mardom Mazloom

شازده جان،

گل گفتی

از چرچیل پرسیدند چطور شما اونکاری که با هند اونور اقیانوس آرام تونستی انجام بدی با ایرلند که بیخ گوشته نتونستی. گفت : "برای انجام این کار به دو ابزار مهم احتیاج هست که این دوابزار مهم را درایرلند دراختیار نداریم. و اون اکثریت نادان و اقلیت خائن." اگر همین الان مثال اکثریت نادان بیارم این بلاگ ما هم به فحش و فضاحت کشیده میشه.

دوستان از محبتتان متشکرم، با اجازه میرم به قول فرانسوی ها بقیه گربه هامو شلاق بزنم، یکشنبه خوبی را داشته باشید.

Anahid khanoom,

This regime doesn't need people as they have those who they pay. This regime needs a real opposition of ideas and if you take just IC and Balatarin there are respectively some 10 K and 33 K contributors who in majority oppose Jomhoori Eslami.

Roozbeh jan,

I believe that people inside Iran are able to overcome this regime, this needs time and a smart opposition. Dir vo zood dareh, sookht vo sooz nadareh.

"this will be done by Nato"

And this is what I call treason!

Moosir jan,

Iranians in Iran don't need us to be happy with the freedom of speech that we enjoy in the west. This will not guarantee Iranians a democratic society in Iran and we don't help the mouvement by laughing at the opponents' inaction inside the country. 

We have first to buy the horse before the saddle. When we'll procure the horse then we'll have the opportunity to enjoy our freedom.

Dear Mardom Mazloom, thanks for your comment

Dear Mardom Mazloom, actually I have one suggestion that it will help the movement. My suggestion is for more people in Diaspora to use their names when they oppose IRI. This will help IRI realize that people are becoming fearless. So this is one step and as you see, it is not from the type "lengesh kon". How sad that you write about leaders of movement. I remember fall 2009 and there were blogs on IC that real leaders of movement are student leaders (I wrote one blog myself) and soon, student leaders were jailed. Not that IRI needed us to tell them who the true leaders were, but made me feel bad.

"bitterness of defeat and the confusion of helplessness"

These are precisely the feelings the islamist regime is hoping to inject into opposition!

But they are failing! Look at where the regime is today vs where it was  before the magnificent uprising of last year by Iranian nation.

Bitter, ready for defeat and confused is precisely where the islamist regime is today. A united opposition under determined, uncompromising leadership can take advantage of this situation, or else this will be done by Nato. 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Anahid Khanoom,

Mousavi never pretended to be the leader of this mouvement. The leader is someone who has to be elected by a majority of Iranians. He's playing the role of an opponent inside this regime and he has already paid a heavy price for that, as one of his relatives has been murdered in the last year manifestations.

He is in sum a human saying in an atmospher of fear and oppression what we Iranians anonymously do in the west. Please read my comment below about 'enssaf'  

Farmarz jan,

This regime distorts even the reality. It's however impossible that Rajanews or another regime's media organ would be able to paint Kossar as a pro-regime supporter. It isn't even their aim to publish his draws as the work of someone who shares their point of view. In Rajanews, they call him "fetnehgar".

What pleases this  regime is to paint Kossar's draws as a dissension among us. You would say, "who cares". and you're right to say that as no one cares Except the brainwashed thugs who have guns to kill more people in the name of "monafegh", things that they have more  difficulty to do with an opposition which is monolith in their mind.

بیرون گود بشینیم، هی بگیم لنگش کن

Well said dear Mazloom.

Part of the problem is the bitterness of defeat and the confusion of helplessness. After more than a year, the Rapist fraction is still in charge of IR, and with oil at $80 per barrel plus a well tuned militaristic machine, there is not much working for the opposition.

For now, we have to beat each other up, do a lot of mock boxing matches and a lot more soul searching ... to be ready for 2013.

very well said Moosir va Piaz:

"strength of the opposition is in its diversity of thought and opinion. this makes it stronger not weaker" .

I agree also that Mr Mousavi and Karoubi have done the best they can under circumstances, and I respect them for that.

I however very firmly believe that the next step, removing this fascist islamist regime will not and can not be through a peaceful process. The opposition needs a determined revolutionary leadership with crystal clear vision and steely will to lead it through this phase. All signs are that this leadership is in  making, on the streets, factories, classrooms of Tehran, esfehan, tabriz, mashad, etc and on the mountains and desrets of our beloved Kurdistan and baloochistan by our kurdish and balooch brothers and sisters.

Thank you mardom mazloom for thois fine blog.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

MM jaan

To IRI it does not matter if you are one and the same on every issue with Nikahang or agree to disagree with him.  Their sole purpose is to create division and controversy. they thrive on it.

we must not allow ourselves to be influenced by their tactics. We should go our own way, we should celebrate our diversity not "sarkoob" it. first step is to learn to agree to disagree on issues but know for a fact that we all want (including Nikahang) what is best for iran and iranians.

1st, diversity is needed, second, NeekAhang is correct

I agree with what Neekahang is doing for two reasons. First one is what Moosir and Divaneh wrote. Besides, Neekahang is correct. Moussavi has been reduced to writing statements and meeting with family of those jailed. You cannot have a movement like that.

Me Too

Mazloom Khan,
Thanks for highlighting this issue.

Mr. Kossar has a track record that stands on its own and the Regime can’t distort it. He is right about Moussavi not being active enough out of the fear for his life and the people around him. But with leadership comes responsibility.

People who advocate a binary (either black or white, with us or against us) view of the politics will ultimately become dictators themselves. I think that all of us should continue to point things out as we see them and at the end the truth will prevail.

Divaneh jan,

That's exactely my point. In another thread I've also said

انصاف هم خوب چیزیه!!

هنر ما ایرانیها اینکه بیرون گود بشینیم، هی بگیم لنگش کن. به نظر من، این کارتون بیشتر برای یک مخالف سیاسی که هیچ کاری تو کشور دموکراتیکش (یعنی واقعا دموکراتیکش) بر نمیاد درسته. ولی برای یه مخالف سیاسی، مثل موسوی، که تو ایران زیر همه فشار های امنیتی است (از ترور افراد خانوادش گرفته تا ممنوع الملاقات کردنش، ...) اصلا درست نیست.

خوب نیک آهنگ جان، قربونت؛ تو که این همه بینش سیاسی داری یه لطفی کن چطور لنگش کن رو هم به موسوی و ما بگو!!!! ده بگو که برای ما همین حالا بشی رهبر.

Moosir jan,

I don't get offended by any jokes as for myself I do it vehemently myself on the net.

But there is a gap between self-criticism and  inadvertently helping the regime to be more sauvage.

Iran has a long way to go Mardom Mazloom jan

Some of us still cant take joke/criticisms and become very defensive. This goes for both iranians inside and exiles.

[this is not to say non-iranians are not like this, but in most western socities democratic institutions and laws prevent these human qualities from damaging the democratic spirit of the country].

in iran there is a learning curve and our culture needs to shed its anti-democratic tendencies. only then would a regime change be constructive and iranian democracy sustainable.  

Dear Mordom Mazloom

I am 100% with you when you say that we have to be united and tackle the other issues after we have a free society. I however don't think what Kossar draws would change anyone's opinion. AS Mossir pointed, it only opens a debate. A legitimate question in that debate could be "Can we just watch from the sideline and ask for more resistance?". Can we in any way help Moussavi to be bolder in leading this movement? I think Kossar has to be complemented for opening such debates.

Moosir jan,

I do NOT support Moussavi more than any other 'normal' well-minded person on this site! The ONLY thing I really support  is the democratic mouvement of Iranians for a free Iran.

When you see Kossar draw Moussavi in front of a cobweb writing some statement you cannot say that Kossar is not laughing at the guy!

To be honest, at this point I didn't had any problem with the mockery.

But when Rajanews takes Kossar's drawings as a lever to build more defamations, I feel myself really concerned.  As my fear is that in their next step these bloodsuckers take these drawings that you consider as freedom of speech as a pretext to kill/jail more people. 

Mardom Mazloom

you say:

"But laughing at opponents inside Iran; "why despite the oppression of
the regime, you don't do more than writing statements" is more than
being out of touch."

The first step is to stop seeing Nikahang's work as "laughing at opponents inside iran" and start seeing it as a method to generate a debate on the downsides and upsides of Mousavi's tactics.  after you change the mindset you will see that not only you or other supporters of mousavi wont be offended, you will begin to appreciate Nikahang's work and even be encouraged to pose your own critic of the movement.

Yes Divaneh jan diversity is important,

Har ki migeh na dastasho bala koneh!

But diversity is important when you can express it. People in the US or elsewhere democratic in the world have the right to express their minds and it's beautiful to see when they do it.

In the Mullahs-land now, we Iranians don't have such rights. So despite saying what we cannot, let's don't say something which weakens the mouvement and helps the regime. It's like climbing a mountain, lets first climb it and once at the summit we can do the jogging we wanted at the beginning.

Moosir is right

It's the diversity that is important and gives strength to the green movement, and it's the freedom of speech that we need to protect. I am sure some people agree with Kossar and some don’t. Any self-censorship will pave the way for more censorship.

Yes, any criticism that is constructive is helpful

But laughing at opponents inside Iran; "why despite the oppression of the regime, you don't do more than writing statements" is more than being out of touch. I think there is nothing positive in such kind of behavior as it just helps the regime to be more brutal - as the only thing which comes out rajanews' remarks is that the mouvment has lost its popular support.

That reminds me a story attributed to Marie-Antoinette. Before the French revolution she was passing in Paris streets and people outside her carriage were dissatisfied. She asked her valet "what are people saying?" and he said "they are hungry, Madam". The Queen said then, "they need only eat some pain-au-chocolat."

Opponents families inside Iran are threatened with death and Kossar asks why these guys don't make a call of general uprising!!

how about stop giving a damn what IRI thinks?

You are being influenced by rajanews and the regime media. do not forget that the strength of the opposition is in its diversity of thought and opinion. this makes it stronger not weaker.

Nikahang is doing this movement a favor. people should not criticize his intentions, but welcome it. only then can iranians truly practice democracy. 

نه به اون بی نمکی، نه به این شوری شور!!

I posted the cartoon above on Balatarin

Someone said the same thing there and my response was

کی میگه از مخالفین این رژیم باید بت ساخت؟ ولی بنظر من بین نقد کردن و نفاق انداختن یه دنیا تفاوته. شما منو نشناخته، جزو دارو دسته هاشمی نشوندی وبعد باز نشناخته گفتی که روزی شرمنده میشم! حالا من شناخته میگم همانطور که نیک آهنگ این آزادی رو داره که دجال نیوز را خوشنود کنه ، همان قدر هم من این آزادی رو دارم این کار ایشان نقد کنم.

Khomeini was deranged. In the time of Shah some 'neutral' Ayatollahs even stopped any contact with him as they judged the guy dangerous. And then in 1978 people put all their hopes on this ill-minded old man!!

Now, we are taking our revenge over our past mistakes on the dissenting mouvement!! Guess who would be the winner at the end?

Choob 2 sar halwa-E, that's what we are!


     

Been there, done that, messed around...

Last time we chose not to say, we ended up with VF.

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