Salaam Iran

dudee

right on brother.....couldn't agree with you more

  our warriors  were fighting for iran....and not that bastard khomeini or islam 

Burn

For all I care the people who fought for islam can burn in hell forever, the people who fought for Iran and the Iranian people, and even to this day are still fighting for our nation and people, like my uncle and grandfather, respect and peace to you all my nationalist brothers.

The same degenerates who fought against saddam under the banner of islam, like most basijis, and not Iran, are fighting and murdering the Iranian people right now as we speak.

Onlyiran jan,

See how we got here. I posted a blog about the anniversary of Khoram-Shahr's liberation and the one person whom among others selflessly tried to save the city. Then some people praised him for his bravery and called him a hero. Then some other people said he is no hero of theirs and then the way his passing was occurred was disputed.

repeatition

actually the convertible is to enjoy the summer breez when your riding it.

and the one who support sanction must have a fat banking account at bank of america or citi group (which both of them) have branches in Dubai and pakistan and Turkey.              Maziar

Midwesty

if it was too beneficial to the East and the West then they didn't need to sanction it now.

The answer is very simple.  See, these petty dictatorships have a very short shelf life.  The powers that be allow them to spring up here and there in strategic locations so that their immediate benefits are met.  After a while, though, geopolitical needs of the region inevitably change, and the petty dictatorship's shelf life expires.  That is when it is either left to expire on its own, or it is "artificially" removed by the interested parties. 

The perfect example, of course, is Saddam.  He was enormously valuable to the East (trade, weapon sales, oil, etc.) and the West (the war with Iran, weapon sales, etc.).  But after the fall of the Soviet Union, it became a problem, especially when as we say in Persian "amr behesh moshtabeh shodeh bood" that he is actually a "somebody".  When he started devloping a nuclear program and attacked the big powers' other ineterests (Kuwait), it was time for him to go.  He couldn't be "organically" removed, so they sent in the big guns and got them the hell out of there.

The IRI is no different.  It was useful  at the time to keep the Soviet expansion in check, artificially inflate oil prices so that big oil can make money, etc.  Now it has outlived its usefulness and just like Saddam, it has become a problem child with its nuclear program and "amr behesh moshtabeh shodan" that it is actually a "regional power".  So, now it's time for it to go.  Sanctions are the first step.  We'll see what happens next.

The only petty, lunatic dictatorsship that has so far escaped this fate is North Korea.  As you may know, NK was created to be the scarecrow that would keep American troops on the Korean peninsula indefinitely to keep China in check.  But NK's leader was smart.  He managed to build himself a couple of crude nukes and threaten everybody with them (something that they didn't anticipate).  Now, no one can touch them.  That is why the IRI wants to build a nuke.  It;s more realistic than all the dreamers on this site who support it.  It knows that its time is up, and that the only thing that will save it from Saddam's fate is North Korea's plan.  The problem for them is that Big Daddy knows that game plan too, and that's why the IRI is in trouble. 

Maziar jan,

1- There are some Iranians that do call out for sanctioning Iran.

2- To me the roof is to keep the enemy out and the convertible is to take care of the walls inside when I know I can sleep through the night peacefully.

I can sleep on a cardboard if I know where I am sleeping is safe.

Duplicated post.

Duplicated post.

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1-who am I ? to oppose it ?

they laid it on that table many years ago (TOORMOOZ BOORID).

2- keep in mind IF there comes a plan to attack them chinese and russian toys.........!!

If (I)  had a large check coming ; FIRST I would fix and repair around my house so I can have an stable roof over me and my family's head not headding to a used car lot shopping for a convertible.        

P.S  We Iranians have A LONG WAY to go before can compare us to the japanese.          Maziar

Masoud jan,

You really think a few thughs could intimitate Iranians?

And yes the wonderful military personnel fought along side the IRGC during the war. As a matter of fact it was the Iranian military elites that trained the IRGC at the beginning.

Maziar jan...

1- I take that as, you too oppose the sanctions.

2- Maybe IRI had to rebuild the military before rebuilding the war torn cities. I wonder why?

In Japan's case Americans felt sorry for dropping the nukes so then they let them to build their country without worrying to be invaded hence less budget on military infrastructure and more money on trades and reconstruction efforts.

thugs = chomaghdar, chaghookesh in IRGC

Midwesty jaan,

by thugs I mean Khomeini and the gang of chomaghdars and chaghoo-keshan in IRGC.

By military, I refer to all those wonderful Iranians in the armed forces, whose primary purpose was to defend Iran.

I hope this is helpful.

MK

Masoud jan,

I saw one the videos on the link. Thank you. I think as the videos show there was power struggle between various revolutionary faction fighting over the whole pie not pieces. I am glad we didn't end up like Afghanistan. it took US, France, Spain, and Italy several decades to recover.

To be fair I think Cuba, Russia, and China has much slower recovery pace. In Cuba's case it has never happened because US has never left that country alone to heal its wounds.

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2 shorts answers may help

1-sanction  IS a better way of PROFITS ,to sell at in BLACK MARKET

and buy it at inflated $$ a double whopper for all countries involved BICHAREH IRANIHA.

2- mammad nisti ke bebini.....

khorram shahr hanooz  geryeh mikonad after 28 years of liberation.      Maziar

Masoud jan,

"Iranian military at the time of its need, was helped by Bani Sadr while
Khomeini and the fundamentalist thugs were arresting,  executing, and
humiliating them."

By thugs do you mean Khomeini's 20+ million supporters? and by military do mean a few high ranking officers in Nozheh cope?  

Only iran, This was just to answer...

your question. But this blog is not to defend IRI. IF you can't see the difference then I don't know what else can.

On Bani Sadr against Khomeini

Midwesty jaan,

This is the propaganda of the fundamentalist terrorist regime against President Bani Sadr.  I think it good to watch it.

//iranian.com/main/news/2010/05/26-8

Iranian military at the time of its need, was helped by Bani Sadr while Khomeini and the fundamentalist thugs were arresting,  executing, and humiliating them. 

I hope this is helpful.

MK 

If it was...

too beneficial to the East and the West then they didn't need to sanction it now.

By all means

get "down" to me level and tell me how the IRI has NOT benefited the East and the West.  

Onlyiran...

Be professional. I am not afraid of getting to your level since I have risen from that level and I know how to win by experience.

If you be polite we might let you play with us.

Masoud jan,

I agree about the timing of the events but not sure about the analysis comes after that.

Bani Sadr lost power from the get go. He didn't have any power to begin with. IRI was just being formed and there was one person everybody knew and that was Khomeini.

It was internal turmoil, external threat and a young system that was just formed. Military behind the scene was vocal against Bani Sadr's war policies since they found him too diplomatic, naive, slow and confused. Since Iranian military kept distance from politics we never saw their anger against him in a public way. 

From the Iranian military perspective Bani Sadr is a traitor, no more or less. I don't agree with that but this shows how angry military was at him regarding his slowness in response. He is notoriously infamous for that.

Again, look at what happened after he was overthrown! We got our land back!

LOL Midwesty :-))

Was IRI that organized at that time? Or was the organized and secret East and the Western powers fearfully watching the rise of a new power to challenge them in the region?

Dude, your petty little dictatorship, the IRI, scares NO ONE.  Get out of your fantasy world.  The IRI is the best gift to the "East" and the "West".  The East robs it day in and day out out of billions of dollars for promises that it will NEVER deliver (weapons, nuke plant, etc.), and the West uses it as an excuse to expand its military presence in the Persian Gulf and greater Middle East.  31 years on and the IRI has not been able to do jack squat about either.

Happy dreaming!! 

Midwesty jaan

Midwesty jaan,

7 Mehr 1360 is September 29, 1981. Bani Sadr flew out of Iran on July 28, 1981. Many close associates of President Bani Sadr were brutally murdered on the spot or immediately executed.

Here is wiki’s lit thing on it: 

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abulhassan_Banisadr

The Majlis (Iran's Parliament) impeached Banisadr in his absence on 21 June 1981, allegedly because of his moves against the clerics in power, in particular Mohammad Beheshti, then head of the judicial system. Khomeini himself appears to have instigated the impeachment, which he signed the next day.

Even before Khomeini had signed the impeachment papers, the Revolutionary Guard had seized the Presidential buildings and gardens, and imprisoned writers at a newspaper closely tied to Banisadr. Over the next few days, they executed several of his closest friends, including Hossein Navab, Rashid Sadrolhefazi, and Manouchehr Massoudi. It was revealed later that the group of guards who were assigned to capture Banisadr were told to kill him rather than get him to jail

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During this period (June 30 to late December 1981), the fundamentalists were killing and executing hundreds of people every single day, including little boys and girls (some as young at 13 or 14). And the PMOI was retaliating by killing fundamentalist terrorist officials.

Again, the widespread belief has been that the fundamentalist regime blew up this airplane in order to kill high ranking military officers sympathetic to President Bani Sadr.

Actually, if the commanders of the regular armed forces had intervened, they might have been able to overthrow Khomeini. 

Best,

MK

Masoud jan,

Exactly! We just cross posted each other. Please read my answer to Khar.

Regards,

Khar jan,

Bani Sadr fled the country on July 1981 and Jahanara became a martyr on October 1981. That doesn't make sense because if we assume that you are right, the commanders' victory in no way could bring Bani Sadr back to power. He was gone already! The Khoramshahr liberation came almost a year later.

This is one of those conspiracy theories that requires a very organized and secret operation...Was IRI that organized at that time? Or was the organized and secret East and the Western powers fearfully watching the rise of a new power to challenge them in the region?

Midwesty jaan

Midwesty jaan,

The airplane crashed on 7 Mehr 1360.  President Bani Sadr was overthrown around 30 Khordad 1360.  The airplane crash occurred 3 months and 7 days after Bani Sadr's overthrow.

The widespread belief has been that the IRGC destroyed the airplane.   This is the opinion of vast number of folks who were politically involved in Iran at that time.

Best,

Masoud 

Masoud jan,

It's highly impossible since Bani Sadr lost his rein three years prior to that. Iranian military went through massive turn around by then. In addition, conducting the key operations was already assigned to IRGC not military. Military was mainly doing logistics and providing artillery  and areal support for the front lines.

There is another possibility. Shall we discuss?

We wanted to take back Khoramshar very badly. We not only lost part of our beloved land but we had received a smack from a country that prior to that point we could invade it in matter of days.

Heads of many Iranian military branches were meeting close to the front line, possibly in Ahvaz in preparation for the Beytol Moghadas operation. As you know that was the operation aside from many of its stunning results, freed the city.

The west and east spy sat and recon ops and many of member of MEKs and opposition groups and Iraqi Estekhbarat had already infiltrated Iranian front line and relaying intel to Saddam. However since Iranians knew this but they had a focus on winning the operation, put dealing with that problem on the back burner to take care of it later in the mean time they were formulating a very creative divergence.

So it is highly possible that Saddam knew about the meeting and he compromised the plane.

Or it was truly a freak accident. It happens all the time even with the standard of western countries. It's a war time, noghlo nabat taghseem ne mikonan.

Cheers!   

Masoud Jaan very informative!

as you said: "Mr. Jahanara was murdered by Khomeini in order to prevent Bani Sadr’s supporters from getting rid of Khomeini."

I'm sure you've watched the Chamkhani's interview, he mentions that (advance to 6:35min of the video) "if Bani Sadr's Tanks (regular army) were able to roll in to Hoyazeh and than to Khoramshahr and Abadan he would have been hero of the war and then his political tanks would have rolled toward Jamaran from Tehran".

Who Killed Mohammad Ali Jahanara?

Mr. Mohammad Ali Jahanara died in an airplane crash. The airplane included many top leaders in the regular armed forces. The crash occurred shortly after the fundamentalists got rid of President Bani Sadr in a violent struggle. It is widely known that the top military officers of the regular armed forces were close to President Bani Sadr and critical of Khomeini, IRGC and IRP (Islamic Republican Party). It is widely believed that the crash of the airplane was planned by the fundamentalists in order to kill the top military leaders.

If the widespread belief is correct, then Mr. Jahanara was NOT martyred by Iraqis in the war. If the widespread belief is correct, then Mr. Jahanara was murdered by Khomeini in order to prevent Bani Sadr’s supporters from getting rid of Khomeini. In other words, Jahanara "shahid jang ba Araq nabood. Eashon ro khod-e aghayan koshtand baray ghodrat."

It is bizarre, that the fundamentalists kill this dude for political purposes, and then call him shahid jang!!!!!! In conclusion, if this person was killed by the fundamentalists, then he was not martyred by Iraqis in the war.

Funny thing...

They even picked Arabic names for our cities! If you didn't get what I just said, read it again, over and over until you get it!

Here the fotage from the City right after liberation

Note the rubbles, they used to be buildings. Saddam literary leveled the entire city of about 250,000 people.