MM

Siavash - See Cyrus Saify's response for details...

about the Brit who first used the term Arab Gulf: Roderick Owen a British agent who had also worked for the British petroleum Company (originally the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company) in the 1950s.

Churchil and name of our Persian Gulf

Following nationalizing our oil in Feb 1952 and cutting the hands of rotten British from our oil, the name of our Gulf became prominent objective for brits. Most likely proposal initiated by Winston Churchil as a revenge or rather their influence in Arabs world. After 1952, it would be more beneficial for brits to take a side with Arabs. Their relationship with Arabs were much more closer than Iranians.

atahouri: just referring to historical records.

The Old Persian history probably outdates any civilization out there, even the Egyptians.  Unfortunately, the old Persians did not leave a lot of records and sometimes we have to defer to the Greek historians and the Roman records to see, for example, how old the name Persian Gulf is, and that is exactly what I was referring to.  If you have a record of Persian Gulf older than that recorded on the walls of the Collesseum, please inform us.

But, say what?  You Iranians?

FARS Gulf. Evidence

MM,

I am sure you know that our region's history outdates the Roman colleseum where slaves fought so why are you referencing from there when you can reference it from our own region or ancient texts from Greece (which I also incorporate as part of our region by the way) and regardless of whether or not a US military man states that he calls these waters Arabian Gulf to please Arab speakers or call it Persian Gulf, honestly, he doesn't care.

You think he is in the that area to respect and please our people and heritage. He is there to kill us whether we are Fars, Turk or Arab. Thats what he is getting paid to do and he is probably enjoying it and when he sent that "copy and paste" he probably had a laugh about how pathetic we are wanting him "the US military  man"  asking: 'please please....Mr Tom, Sir, please call this strip of water Persian Gulf... Thank you boss.

The sooner all you Iranians wake up and stop referencing from these 'Nordics' (Northern Europeans: English, French, German, Scandanavians) and pay more attantion to our own present and past intellectuals, the sooner we can fight stronger academic and legal battles and evolve as an honourable nation. Thankfully, the world is transforming into regional centres where we no longer have to rely on information and historical texts from the West where they have mostly been distorted.

One strategy that we should use more often is referencing from our own region. I liked the fact that one of the people that commented showed evidence that Saudi Arabia called these waters Persian Gulf. This is good because we can use this evidence against them to make our case stronger when it comes to making statements to our regional neighbours. I am not against our Arab speaking neighbours and I think engaging into regional dialogue is more important than thinking what people on the other side of the planet in the U.S. think.

Amir

responses for the friends of Persian Gulf

Mehrdad: Lame or not, we got two major departments of the US government to declare, on paper, that the official name of that body of water is Persian Gulf.

Cyrus Saify: 1950's is still pretty young compared to the walls of the Colleseum in Rome where the map of the persian Gulf was depicted as such more than 2000 years ago (Gulfo Persico: //irannegah.com/Video.aspx?id=1163).  Moreover, Persian Gulf attaches to the Arabian Sea before the Indian Ocean.  So, The Arabs have their own waters to play with.

MRX1: I had to look up the new name of the ex-"Pahlavi Avenue" (Valiasr Avenue) even after 31 years.  If we are vigilant, re-naming Persian Gulf will not be easy. 

Siavash: As you see from the responses from our friends, the problem goes back to 1950's, but it has shown its ugly face more in the past 31 years.  Again, we need to be vigilant.

Divaneh: Thank you my friend.  The lion shall be awakened, as in the Sleeper in the movie, Dune:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=boyrL1DeJtI

Abarmard: Yes, I agree.  A salesman is like a politician.  They will do what they can to make a sale, and until the Iranian money becomes as fluent as the Shaikh's, we will have that trouble.

Atahouri: The >2000 year old name on the walls of the Colleseum in Rome is Gulfo Persico, but it has traditionally been referred to as the Persian Gulf. 

//irannegah.com/Video.aspx?id=1163

As I said before, the Arabs have the Arabian sea at the mouth of the Indian ocean.

FARS Gulf

1. The word "Persian Gulf" is not an accurate name to describe those waters. It should be called either the "Fars Gulf" in my opinion which is refered to by the Fars, Kurds, Balloch, Kurds, Turks and some Arabs (but obviously not the majority of Arabs) OR the "Iranian Gulf" which would make more sense as the land surrounding those waters are historically and culturally linked. The "Iranian" identity incorporates a wider region as an identity to include other ethnicities but not Fars (or Persian, as the English say).
2. If you take a democratic perspective on the issue, you have 1 Fars-Iranian country around the waters and 6 Arab speaking countries (Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, Saudia Arabia and UAE) who obviously find it more convenient for themselves to refer to the waters as "Arabian Gulf". So if one day the populations surrounding those waters get the opportunity to vote for a name, we know what the outcome would be.

Amir

Thanks MM

Good to have some response from them. What can one say? jackals become bolder when a lion is lame.

No dare to do so when shah was on power

No lizard eater arab like Saddam dare to invade our country or any one dare to change name of our Persian Gulf when shah was on power. The issue is these Islamic bastards who occupied our Aryan Land for last 31 years. We have to work on this issue and try to get rid of these monsters first. 

Not a new issue

During the 70's all business men and government officials from UK and US carries two cards. If they were speaking to Arab leaders or companies while Iranians present, they would give two different cards to each, one with Persian Gulf for Iranians and the other with the fake name for Arabs.

This has been a common practice for many decades.

Two decades

If IRI stays in power two more decades I will guaranty you that you will never ever hear the word Persian Gulf again any where. With the countries on the other side prospering at the astonishing rate (n fact one is just een awarded a world cup,) you can be sure that buisness world will follow their lead and renme it Arabian Gulf. 

By the way you can't blame the Arabs. They have a good sense of who and what they are. it's us Iranians who are a menthal basket case and can't figure who and what we are. 

MAP OF THE PERSIAN GULF BY SAUDI ARABIA

Map of the Persian Gulf by Saudi Arabia

Below is map of the Persian Gulf which was published bt the government of Saudi Arabia in 1952.

Saudi Arabian Map of 1952 displaying the correct name for the Persian Gulf.

The Saudi Arabian map is noteworthy as it was published at the time of the coup d’etat of pan-Arab nationalist Gamal Abdul Nasser who had siezed power in Egypt. At the time Nasser consistently applied the correct term to the body of water (Persian Gulf) but this changed by the late 1950s.

Gamal Abdul Basser (1918-1970). Known for his honesy and integrity of character, Nasser was a tragic victim of the ideology of pan-Arabism by his advocacy of changing the historical name of the  Persian Gulf. Some have speculated that Nasser may have been partly motivated to do so due to his dislike of the late Shah of Iran.

The first person to apply the historically inaccurate term “Arab Gulf” to the Persian Gulf was a non-Arab by the name of Roderick Owen a British agent who had also worked for the British petroleum Company (originally the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company) in the 1950s. Owen wrote a book entitled “The Golden Bubble of the Arabian Gulf: A Documentary“. His thesis for changing the name of the Persian Gulf was that the name of Persian Gulf was “unfair” due to Arabs inhabiting regions such as Kuwait, Arabia, etc. Despite the weak logical and historical foundation of Owen’s argument, pan-Arabists have been working consistently to rewrite not only the name of the Persian Gulf but also its entire history.

A tragic case of this can be found in the museum of Dubai where an ancient map of the Persian Gulf has been displayed with the name “Persian” literally erased off that map (see below).

Map of the Persian Gulf in the Dubai Museum. Note how the word “Persian” has been blotted out. This questions the impartiality of the museum as well as its adherance to honest historiography.

Comparison of the above map with the Saudia Arabian 1952 publication clearly demonstrates how ideology (in this case pan-Arabism) is able to overide impartial historiography, thanks to decades of irredentist propaganda. Despite the efforts of venues such as the Dubai Museum, pan-Arabism (like any other racialist ideology) cannot “erase” the history of the Persian Gulf as the primary references to the domain are simply far too numerous across thousands of years.

//www.kavehfarrokh.com/news/map-of-the-persian-gulf-by-saudi-arabia/

Rather lame [excuse] response

But US has been in the business of appeasing and buying off the Arab dictators for decades now and this is just another payment plan they made to the Arab dictators.

Mehrdad

zuruz and immortal guard

Money talks and everything else walks.  The Arabs have the money and they are willing to spend it on anywhere from ads to arms.......etc.  Of course, we need to vigil and keep organizations that cater to the Arab money honest.  We had another e-campaign to have Google backtrack on their original name-change.

Just look at Qatar whose new FIFA ads feature the name; Arabian Gulf.  Which brings out the point that maybe IRI should boycott the games!  And, the Iranian diaspora should not watch the games.

As long as the US government acknowledges that the official name is Persian gulf, it does not matter what the top brass thinks.  They are under civilian control. 

Yaa right US Navy with its recent reputation and credibility....

What makes you think their top brass have got any sense at all with that gay bashing sleazy video:

//thehottest.info/navy-investigates-enterpris...

//www.examiner.com/airlines-airport-in-nation...

GOOGLE EVIL TRANSLATES ILLEGAL NAME FOR ANCIENT PERSIAN GULF

I’D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH BRIBE GOOGLE MONSTERS RECEIVED THIS TIME FROM ARAB PUPPET SHEIKS AROUND THE PERSIAN GULF REGION TO OPEN ANOTHER WINDOW FOR FORGING AND FABRICATING THE ANCIENT PERSIAN GULF WHILE TRANSLATING IT TO ARABIC?   ARE THE GOOGLE FOLKS REALY STUPID OR THEY ARE ACTING STUPID TO APPEASE ARABS AND INSULT IRANIANS?  ALL I KNOW THEY ARE DESTROYING GOOGLE REPITATION AND CREDIBILITY AROUND THE GLOBE. IRANIAN MUST PROTEST SUCH AN IVAL ACT BY GOOGLE AND BOYCUTT THAT STUPID SEACH ENGINE. THERE ARE TOO MANY HONEST AND CREDIBLE SEARCH ENGINES AROUND TO USE.

CHECK THIS LINK:

//www.q8daily.com/google-and-the-persian-gulf/

Thanks Yolanda -

As Long as the US government recognizes the established names and this is not a tit-for-tat for the acts of IRI, as some here have claimed, I am ok with their response.

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Thank you, MM, for posting!

It sounds like US is shifting the blame to the Arabs!

Admin - the picture looks elongated. Fixable? Thanks in advance

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