خوش آمدید

The Kitáb-i-Íqán

This is book of Certitude!

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Where do you see it??

Tahirih

I looked you up and I found you:

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You need to shape up a little!

I am no Hooshang - get your facts right

Source: IGHAN!

Factfinder,or may I say Hooshang!!!

You always use 2 I's for the word Bahai,to just let us know who you are!!!!

You remind me of a character from Lord of the ring movie ,His name is Smeagol.Please rent the series ,and watch it,you can see his transformation from human to this strange character.He also has couple of different names like you!!!too!!

Where have you seen Bahaullah saying this no word ,more than 28 ,to women???!!!!
Eftera ,is so easy to produce,and people usually resort to it because they know they are done!!!!!

Factfinder

I investigated Bahai Faith for 7 yrs, and became a Baha'i 3 yrs ago. May I have the sourse? I'd like to read it myself.

Respectfully,Mona

Bahullah said:

"A man should no speak to a woman for more than 28 words".

Mona,

Either you are a lier or you have been lied to all your life. This is one of Bahaullahs most provactive instructions. How can you talk about Emanicpation when this is a Bahii decree by their leader?

Dear Tahirih

I accept your apology. Thank you.

 Regards.

Dear All :) please read and reflect on it.

Tahirih has a great point, She said:"So what, you are muslim,he is athiest and I am Bahai !!!but we are all
Iranian,and human.""

One of the principle I believe is UNITY.Unity is a powerful virtue,it brings great strength.Unity brings harmony,like the music made by the different instruments. UNITY doen't mean to be the same. A flute would never try to sound like drum. when they are played together, they make beautiful music.Unity bring peace.Unity means you don't try to make everyone look,think,act,or talk alike.Through the power of unity you can solve conflict.

You can discover a new idea or solution that meets everyone's needs. You can find common ground. Unity is a force So powerful it can light up the world and bring an end to war.With unity you can become a peacemaker wherever you go.

I believe without unity differences scare people and drive them apart. In many parts of the world prejudice causes disunity. People hurt and even kill each other because of differences in their color, their religion, or their ideas. They have forgotten that we are all together on this planet, and that God wants us all to love each other as we are loved.

Differences don't have to hurt, wheter in a single family or the human family.Wouldn't the flowers of a garden be dull if they were all the same color????

When we practice unity, we look at our prejudices and willing to let them go. Just as every leaf on the tree has uniqe design, each person on this earth is some one special. when we paractice unity, we try to see the specialness in every person, not as a reason to be scared or to fight,but as a GIFT.

When we practice unity, we treat the earth as a sacred home. We are children of God's universe, and we respect all life within it.

Unity in human family is feeling how we and others are connected. The joy of one is the joy of all.The hurt of one is the hurt of all.The honor of one is the the honor of all.

He who experinces the unity of life, sees his own self in all beings, and all beings in his own self, and looks on everything with an imparatial eye...

With loving greetings,

Mona :)

I command not using foul language,not Jamshid's opinion!!!!

Dear Iranian,I did not attack or be litle your argument,I was referring to the writer "Khar ...".
Otherwise I have been in heated arguments with Jamshid over defending Rassole Akram and Islam.

I do not agree with his hate of Islam ,I do not agree with many other people either,but we should not start name calling.

My comment in no wise was about you.And he should not have called you all those names(which I do not want to repeat).But Dear you should have not treathened him either.

Sometimes I feel like sitting and crying when I see so much hatred, why should we all hate eachother.
So what, you are muslim,he is athiest and I am Bahai !!!but we are all Iranian,and human.

I believe in "O FRIEND! In the garden of thy heart plant naught but the rose of love, and from the nightingale of affection and desire loosen not thy hold."

I had no intention of offending you,and if I did ,I appologize.
Regards to both of you,
Tahirih

Re: Tahirih

What really makes me wonder is your praise for this 'Jamshid' character. As you say to him "it takes a great person to not go where ignorant goes.".

Fine, I agree that the person named 'Khar gir' sounds ignorant but if 'Jamshid' is such a great person in your eye, then why didn't he sound 'ignorant' to you when he has refered to me by the following:

• "You are outmoded, passé, of the past. In the future generations, your like will either be reshaped under the wheels of change, or will be left behind and looked at with pity. "
• "You are a typical arrogant, self-thankful, "little" man "
• "You are one of those  imbeciles"
• "You are a "small", "bi gheyrat" and insecure scared little man "

Oh yes, he is a "great" person. Don't forget about WHAT he has already said about a religion of God, Islam.

Here is a quote from youself:

"A religion which believes in God ,in divinity of Rassole Akram,and 12 Imams"

Well this "great" person of yours is trashing all of that too! I can not understand how you can think differently from this person and yet admire him so much!

I think some people say one thing and believe a different thing. You can't tell what they really stand for!

Good night to you!

Jamshid, eventhough we think different but I command you.

This is great ,you are not responding the same way to the insult,and it takes a great person to not go where ignorant goes.
Using foul language in my mind destroyes all the credibility of the person.
regards,
Tahirih

Muslims who want to live ...

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation’s mosques. Quote: ‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It.

I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.’

‘This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom’

‘We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!’
‘Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools.

If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.’

‘We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.’

‘This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every pportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, ‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE’.’

‘If you aren’t happy here then LEAVE. We didn’t force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.’

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Re: Iranian-

Quote from you post: "Some of these people like 'Jamshid' and the likes of him actually actively attack and try to demonize Islam..."

Since when criticism or asking questions is considered an attack? If I ask why did Mohamad married a six years old girl, and cirticise him for doing that, you consider this an "attack", while others may consider it a justified debate or a healthy citicism.

If I ask why there is a verse in Koran in which Allah is permitting victorious moslems to enslave the women from the defeated tribes as "war-prize" slaves, you consider it an "attack", while others consider it a valid point for discussion.

If I ask why emaam Ali ordered the massacre of the Iranian people of the city of "estakhr", you call it an "attack" on Islam, while others consider it a historical fact.

If I ask why there is a verse in Koran that dictates to all moslems that they must punish some crimes by amputation, you consider this an "attack", while others may consider it a valid point to think about.

You and your likes have kept many minds from thinking. You have burtalized and persecuted those who went ahead anyway and did their "thinking". In your religion, thinking and cirticism are "sins". They must be persecuted.

Why? Because in any argument, a moslem, who is trying to hang on to his old and outmoded beliefs, would be defeated in such arguments. You would not find any convincing answers. That in turn makes you angry. Then you direct that anger to the person who raised the question or the criticism, by persecuting him/her. In order to "justify" your persecution, you call his criticism an "attack" and "insult", in an effort to hide your crime of persecution behind a veil of self-righteousness.

Islam has a weak ideological base, at least for the 21 century. I am an agnostic, but if I wanted to beleive in a religion, I would ask god to send another prophet because Islam is just not up to the job anymore today.

So why is god not sending another prophet? Because moslems have sealed the door closed, by saying that Mohamad was the very "last" prophet. What's worst, there are many verses in Koran that states Allah's commands brought to the people through Koran, are laws that cannot be changed or modified by human beings. So moslems are stucked. That is why there will be always those moslems who for example would be proponents of amputations. Just take a look at the IRI.

You are outmoded, passé, of the past. In the future generations, your like will either be reshaped under the wheels of change, or will be left behind and looked at with pity.

Dear Infidel

I don't care if someone does not accept or agree with Islam. They are not the enemy of Islam just because they disagree with it. As I had said before many times that some non-believers (Kafar) can be innocent and even good people.

I actually have lunch with a Hindu Indian once a week. He is a good person. He does not accept Islam, of course, but he also does not attack it! I don't accept Hinduism, but I also do not attack his beliefs.

Some of these people like 'Jamshid' and the likes of him actually actively attack and try to demonize Islam. They are the enemy of all Muslims. Can you blame me for confronting him? That is why I don't even respond to him. I responded to you because you approached me decently with fair questions.

I use the name Iranian- because I am Iranian. Also because there are many Muslims from around the world and since 98% of Iranians are Muslim, then it seems like a good simple name. 

Have a good day.

Re: Iranian-

Just who the hell are YOU to decide if me or Iranian Feminist or anyone else is a sinful person because we may not be moslem? You are a typical arrogant, self-thankful, "little" man who goes around and decide that so and so persons are good, and so and so persons are bad.

That is wrong, but I could live with it. What I cannot live with is that your likes take this to the next level which is persecuting and punishing us.

How do you know if Iranian Feminist or myself are "sinful" people? How the hell you, "little" moslem man, know if we have not served other human beings more than a typical moslem?

And no, in order to be pure and good, I don't need "fear of god", nor rewards of heaven, nor fear of hell. I can choose good over evil, just because I choose so. Not because god told me, and not for 70 virigins in heaven. That makes a person a more "pure good" than anyone who does good deeds only because he fears god.

There are many atheists and agnostics in this world that have done much more for humanity than you or other religious people have done. You categorically consider them all evil because they don't believe in god. But you have no choice. YOUR god, Allah, has commanded you to do so. Your god is an evil god. If one day, I ever believe in a god, you can be certain that it won't be Allah.

If there is a god, and if there is a after life with a judgement day, then I just can't wait for that day because on that day for you, it will just be like an episode of "the twilight zone". To your suprise, God will punish you and many other religious people, and reward many of the good hearted people who didn't believe in him, those you call "kafar". You will stand there and tell God: "But God, I was "better" than them", just as satan told the same to God when God created Adam. Go read the Koran, that story is there.

And I'll have the last laugh.

It does not matter what you

It does not matter what you think of me Kafar. If you try to hurt Islam or Muslims, I'll show you who is the one who will really be scared.

To: Iranian-?

So, is that how all msulims think??? They threaten people who don't agree with Islam??? Do you think that's what God wants you to do? What kind of God do you believe in? And why do you call yourself Iranian if you're a muslim???

So Dear Iranian WE wait!

You know this has been the politest answer ,that I have expected.So I guess I will wait for you to investigate ,and tell me if in your openion ,I am an Infidel or not?
Regards,
Tahirih

:)

The betterment of the world can be accomplished through PURE and GOODLY DEEDS, through COMMENDABLE and SEEMLY CONDUCT...

My Dear hamvatan,DO NOT AFRAID to respectfully challenge one another by asking questions, but PLEASE refrain from harmful words -- focus on IDEAS.

If you're not agree with sb, leave your opinions here ( But please stay away from malicious expresssion). If you like to promote what you believe or talk about your ideas remember through pen and tongue, rather than have recourse to sword or violence"

Please remember this:"Consort with all men, in a spirit of friendliness and fellowship. If you be aware of a certain truth, if you possess a jewel, of which others are deprived, share it with them in a language of utmost kindliness and good-will.

If it be accepted, if it fulfill its purpose, your object is attained. If any one should refuse it, leave him unto himself, ... Beware lest ye deal unkindly with him.

A kindly tongue is the lodestone of the hearts of men. It is the bread of the spirit, it clothe the words with meaning, it is the fountain of the light of wisdom and understanding...""

Have a Great weekend everyone :)

Sincerely,

Mona

Dear Tahirih

The religion that you just described sounds like it is Shia Islam.

I am not an authority on Islam. I have read Qu'ran only a couple of times. Up until now all I read was sciences, philosophy, math and history. Only recently I have added divine practice to my education.

I think that what you are trying to ask me dear is that if someone converts to the Bahi faith, are they considered a believer and not an apostate? If that is the case, then you should allow me to research the Bahi faith and then I can give you an answer.

Regards,

I have one more question for" Iranian"

You Say;
""Anyone who believes in God and also accepts Muslims as believers but he/she was not born as a Muslim is a true believer in my eyes. You don't have to be a Muslim.""

What about someone who believes in truth of Islam,and God and WAS born muslim,but changed religion to another religion.A religion which believes in God ,in divinity of Rassole Akram,and 12 Imams.
OK ,My last question to you is :Is he or she a true believer,or not?

Please "yes"or "no".

Respectfully,
Tahirih

Re: Tahirih

Anyone who believes in God and also accepts Muslims as believers but he/she was not born as a Muslim is a true believer in my eyes. You don't have to be a Muslim.

I know that is not yes/no, but I hope that I have answered your question.

Iranian- ...

You should avoid calling anybody a kaafir , because only Allah knows who is truly a rejecter of truth and who is merely a misguided person. It is not up to you or me to "sentence" a person to the wrath of God!

sorry ,left a T??

So my below comment should read:

Do you consider me a God loving, believing,obeying Person Who is a "Bahai",a true believer or not?

Please no SAFSATEH,just "yes" or "no".
Thanks

"Iranian" I do not mean any disrespect

Could you please expand on this sentence of yours?

""I am a Muslim practicing Islam and will remain a faithful to God and consider all true believers in God as friends.""

I am a true believer of God,I breath in and out ,living just for HIM.Do you consider me a "bahai" a rue beliver or not?

Please ,no arguing no SAFSATEH,just "yes" or "no".

Regards,
Tahirih

Mona 19

I am a Muslim practicing Islam and will remain a faithful to God and consider all true believers in God as friends.

This is a violent and unforgiving world where good and bad people are mixed. I believe that we are here to test our good faith towards humanity and live a clean life. I don't fight non-believers (Kafaran) unless they are arrogant and try to confront Islam. A good example is 'Jamshid', 'A reader', 'Iranian Feminist' and others.  

These people are cowards sitting behind a keyboard and calling me names. I believe that they have needs that conflicts with God. They think that they are the greatest living creatures in this world and should form this world according to their point of view, not God's.

You might ask why do they like to be Kafar? These people like to live the life of this world the way they want it to, not the way God wants them to. They will commit any sin if the wished and do anything else bad without fearing God.

If one is not good by nature and does not fear God, what is to hold them back from committing evil?

What I have found is that no matter how many religions of God come, there will still be Kafaran; there will still be people who want to kill others because of religion. This is not a flaw. That is how this world is created. If all people would become good and believers then there would be no need for this world! So it is the humanity that causes these divisions and hurts humanity. These problems will always exits as long as this world exits.

When this world comes to an end, then the test is ended and we will all be graded for our deeds, good or bad. The good will get their reward and the bad will get their punishment.

Isn't it sad?

I picked this on line name for myself because of Tahirih's vision and courage.I hoped to be voice of her.So many ignorant writers called me wierd names,and asked me if I am a man or woman?

Now that we all heard about this lioness and champion of women's rights,WE are fighting about other things?!!??

Alas we as a nation,can not even enjoy and bask in glory of our great heritage!!!

Tahirih does not belong to me or Mona or any one else she is a poet, a visionary ,that was silenced because she could see the future.She believed that someday we could be equalls,and by equal she did not mean conformity.

It is so sad that good hamvatanan has never heard about her,and one of the writers instead of saying I will be proud of our Iranian heritage ,is bringing an example of a westerner!!!!!!

Lets look at conspiracy theory,REALLY,who is be littling us??? them or ourselves.

And for those ignorant people who want to silence Mona or me,we are here and are not going anywhere.

Peace ,and glory of Iran and the world,
Tahirih

Iranian-

I'm Baha'i but I'm coming from a Muslem background.As a Baha'i, we , believe in Abraham,Moses,Zoraster,Chris, and Muhammad,....

and the reason is this:

The foundation of all the divine religions is one. All are based upon reality. Reality does not admit plurality, yet amongst mankind there have arisen differences concerning the manifestations of God. Some have been Zoroastrians, some are Buddhists, some Jews, Christians, Mohammedans and so on.

This has become a source of divergence whereas the teachings of the holy souls who founded the divine religions are one in essence and reality All these have served the world of humanity.... All have guided souls to the attainment of perfections, but among the nations certain imitations of ancestral forms of worship have arisen. These imitations are not the foundation and essence of the divine religions. Inasmuch as they differ from the reality and the essential teachings of the Manifestations of God, dissensions have arisen and prejudice has developed. Religious prejudice thus becomes the cause of warfare and battle. If we abandon these time-worn imitations and investigate reality all of us will be unified. No discord will remain; antagonism will disappear.

All will associate in fellowship. All will enjoy the cordial bonds of friendship. The world of creation will then attain composure. The dark and gloomy clouds of blind imitations and dogmatic variances will be scattered and dispelled; the Sun of Reality will shine most gloriously.

The Earth Is but One Country,and Mankind Its Citizens

regard,

Mona 

Iranian-

Go ahead "scare" me. I am trembling in fear already. What a joke. What a coward. 

Islam is hurting itself more than any "kafar" could ever do. You are reverting to your true moslem self by threatening me. Fanatic moslems like you, don't know any other ways.

And what is exaclty you want to "show" me anyway?

Let me guess... But why should I bother guessing, when we can actually see if for ourselves with our very own eyes what it is that you want to "show" me. We can just take a look at Iran where the IRI is "showing" plenty to all kafars how it is done.

According to Koran, a morted's punishment is "death". I used to be a moslem. I first turned away from it and then later I have turned many away from Islam as well. I expose Islam for the violent and backwarded cult that it is wherever I walk. I use Koran itself to expose it. That makes me a first class "morted". According to Koran, your job as a moslem is to "eliminate" the likes of me. It is Allah's command in the Koran.

You can threaten me in Iran where the IRI is actually carrying out your threats against many Iranians. But here in the US your threats resemble more to a 10 years old angry little boy's tantrum than anything else.

I thought this article was about women, not about Bahai fait

It's funny how the truth comes out with a little tickle - the fact that this article was never about women but about Bahai faith.

It is sad to see how a wee fascist like -"Iranian" who belittles women is in agreement with Mona.

Jamshid is right about "-Iranian" being "Bi-Gheirat". Muslim men usually are bigheirat. All they can do is to rape children and tell women to go cook for them in the kitchen. Like Prophet Mammad who raped Aisheh when she was nine.

Shame on Muslim men, shame on spiritually smelly
"-Iranian".

Dear Mona 19

From what I understood from your thoughts I figured that you are a good person and a good Iranian who believes in God. You mentioned the following: "but I do believe in all divine. religion"

Look who is supporting your words in your blog. It is the Kafar people. They never believe in divinity! They like to be Kafar! They enjoy it!

Yes, I believe in God and the Kafar here ridicules me. I am not bothered; actually I am happy in a way. If they admired me or said good things about me that would really make me worried. These Kafaran are not harmless and innocent Kafaran who just want to live their lives. They are arrogant people!

Some of them think that I have been a Muslim all my life. Actually it has been only 5 years that I accepted the existence of God and before it I was just like them, another Kafar. This guy Mehran is asking me to try being Kafar. Now that is funny! I wished that he would try being a believer, it has more advantages!

I don't know much about your faith Mona, but I know that you are not compatible with these Kafaran. Thanks again for your bright heart and good thoughts.