What has brought the Baha'i Faith to this juncture?

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Ravian Bilani
by Ravian Bilani
12-Dec-2009
 

This place where several Baha'i sects vie to be recognized as the one and only true Baha'i sect? Where the Haifan Baha'i sect refuses to even recognize the very existence of other Baha'i sects, claiming that because those sects have so few adherents they are insignificant and virtually non-existent.

How is it that the lofty ideals and concepts that are supposedly central to Baha'i belief have been left in the dust in a blind pursuit to raise one version or another of a supposedly inviolable Baha'i covenant over the several other versions of that Baha'i covenant which are all held to be sacrosanct by those Baha'is who hold to those particular versions?

Why is it that respect for the diversity of religious interpretation is missing amongst all Baha'i sects? Why? Because a respect for the diversity of religious interpretation was not held or practiced by the founders of the Baha'i religion.

Although the founders of the Baha'i religion gave lip service to the principle of the oneness of religion they failed to recognize that they themselves were responsible to apply such principles in their own lives. Mirza Husayn Ali - Baha'u'llah failed to do this in regards to the Babi/Bayani faith and it's followers, Abbas Effendi - Abdu'l-Baha' failed to do this in regards to his own half brother Muhammad who chose to hold to a more unitarian interpretation of Baha'ism.

When exceptions are made to the oneness of humanity it is no longer true oneness, it is the same old same old religious exclusivity that has been practiced by religionists since the beginning of organized religion. When there is no respect for a true diversity of religious interpretation religion falters, it then becomes more of a source of disunity than it is source of unity; more of a bane to humanity than a boon.

The present situation amongst Baha'i sects is a case in point. Of course Haifan Baha'is will discount this reality stating that all other Baha'i sects are insignificant and unimportant. While each Baha'i will blindly cleave to their own religious interpretation all along allowing those interpretations to make a mockery of any pretense of a true belief in the oneness of humanity, the oneness of human spirituality.

What is the source of this profound dysfunction? The founders of the Baha'i religion themselves. Men who had words stating that shunning had been abolished, that humanity should no longer see others as their enemies, drawing lines, that the former religious practice of dividing humanity had been removed; while all along out of the other side of their mouths came contradictory words, hypocritical words, counseling their followers to engage in the very religious practices they had supposedly left behind. What you see is the result of these contradictory and hypocritical religious teachings and religious practices.

If Baha'is of all sects truly believe in the oneness of humanity, truly believe in the oneness of human spirituality, they will have to leave the immature, ignorant, and contradictory religious practices of the founders of their religion behind them. They will have to truly embrace religious diversity, as well as diversity of religious interpretation and not see such diversity as a threat to their chosen orthodoxies but as genuine and healthy expressions of human spirituality. Until this occurs the Baha'i Faith as a religion will continue to be more of a source of disunity than it is a source of unity and humanity would be better off without it.

Larry Rowe

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sophia

Bone up on your rhetoric

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Sag Koochoolo: "We'll let others judge your motives and values. Good luck."

Funnily enough, I've heard this rhetoric many, many times before. What is funny is how dogged you are in using such techniques. The motives here are perfectly clear, so why even imply otherwise? People have issues with the ideology, demonstrable hypocrisy and behavior of the Baha'i Organization.  Serious issues. And they will air those issues, as is their right. Period. 

You, Sag Koocholoo, need to bone up on your knowledge of how widely documented the rhetorical techniques you employ are, and hence, how transparent the methods you employ in your responses remain.

//www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Propaganda 

Obtain disapproval: This technique is used to get the audience to disapprove an action or idea by suggesting the idea is popular with groups hated, feared, or held incontempt by the target audience. Thus, if a group which supports a policy is led to believe that undesirable, subversive, or contemptible people also support it, the members of the group might decide to change their position. (One of the favorite positions expressed continually by numerous posters on this site attempting to marginalize critics of the Baha'i organization)

Glittering generalities: Glittering generalities are intensely emotionally appealing words so closely associated with highly valued concepts and beliefs that they carry conviction without supporting information or reason. They appeal to such emotions as love of country, home; desire for peace, freedom,glory, honor, etc. They ask for approval without examination of the reason. Though the words and phrases are vague and suggest different things to different people, their connotation is always favorable: "The concepts and programs of the propagandist are always good, desirable, virtuous." (Faryar likes these in particular- see also Peace, Love, Unity, Selflessness, vs Anger, Bitterness, Vengefulness ,Hatred, etc, etc)

Rationalization: Individuals or groups may use favorable generalities to rationalize questionable acts or beliefs. Vague and pleasant phrases are often used to justify such actions or beliefs. (see above

Intentional vagueness: Generalities are deliberately vague so that the audience may supply its own interpretations.The intention is to move the audience by use of undefined phrases, without analyzing their validity or attempting to determine their reasonableness or application. (where do I begin?)

Transfer: This is a technique of projecting positive or negative qualities (praise or blame) of a person, entity, object, or value (an individual, group, organization, nation, patriotism,etc.) to another in order to make the second more acceptable or to discreditit. This technique is generally used to transfer blame from one member of a conflict to another. It evokes an emotional response which stimulates the target to identify with recognized authorities. (Maybe I should bring up some of the oft repeated 'IRI Agent' allegations, or any number of instances of suggested mental illness, or personal psychological deficiency?)

Oversimplification: Favorable generalities are used to provide simple answers to complex social, political,economic, or military problems. (evoking simplistic distinctions between 'unity' and 'division', usually in the service of scape-goating.)

Common man: The "plainfolks" or "common man" approach attempts to convince the audience that the propagandist's positions reflect the common sense of the people. It is designed to win the confidence of the audience by communicating in the common manner and style of the audience. Propagandists use ordinary language and mannerisms (and clothes in face-to-face and audiovisual communications) in attempting to identify their point of view with that of the average person. (ie,"any objective observer can see" blah blah blah- it's been used time and time again.)

Testimonial: Testimonials are quotations, in or out of context, especially cited to support or reject a given policy, action, program, or personality. The reputation or the role (expert, respectedpublic figure, etc.) of the individual giving the statement is exploited. The testimonial places the official sanction of a respected person or authority on a propaganda message. This is done in an effort to cause the target audience to identify itself with the authority or to accept the authority's opinions and beliefs as its own. 

Stereotyping or Labeling: This technique attempts to arouse prejudices in an audience by labeling the objectof the propaganda campaign as something the target audience fears, hates,loathes, or finds undesirable. ("smoking those special herbs again?"- many, many other examples)

Scapegoating: Assigning blame to an individual or group that isn't really responsible, thus alleviating feelings of guilt from responsible parties and/or distracting attention from the need to fix the problem for which blame is being assigned. (ie, passing blame to critics and people with grievances as having personal issues underlying their grievances, external to the actions o rresponsibility of the organization). 

Virtue words: These are words in the value system of the target audience which tend to produce a positive image when attached to a person or issue. Peace, happiness, security, wise leadership, freedom, etc., arevirtue words . (need I say more?)

Slogans: A slogan is a brief striking phrase that may include labeling and stereotyping. If ideas can be sloganized, they should be, as good slogans are self-perpetuating memes. 

Finally, you really should read what I posted about the current issues facing Scientology, as I don't think the point is really sinking in:

//altreligion.about.com/b/2009/05/13/scientology-its-always-someone-elses-fault.htm


Wednesday May 13, 2009 

"I've tried finding the Church's side in similar accusations. Unfortunately, it's more of the same: accusers are malicious individuals, often disgruntled ex-members, who seek to harm the Church through lies and distortion. Time after time after time. How many times can anyone plausibly believe that?

I've dealt with a lot of ex-members of various religions, and they display a variety of emotions, everyone from wanting to just move on to something more meaningful to a quest for vengeance, enlightening the world about the shortfalls of the their previous faith. Rarely, however, are words like "fraud," "extortion," and "intimidation" used. Rarely is there any attempt or even hope that people in their former faith go to jail.

So apparently there's a large conspiracy of vindictive nut cases out there, all of which are bizarrely fixated on the Church of Scientology for reasons entirely removed from any present or former behavior of the Church. The Church is totally a victim in all of this. Always. Sure.

Sooner or later, someone is going to clean house. If the Church is unwilling to even address its critics and examine its own faults, the judicial branch will eventually do it for them. There's no reason that Scientology has to be marred by these continuing scandals.They could do something constructive about them, rather than just keep repeating paranoid rants.

 


 


Nur-i-Azal

Not OK

by Nur-i-Azal on

Let other's only judge their own motives and values, and no one elses. And you begin by judging your own instead of trying to invoke and hide behind some herd consensus. My motives are crystal clear!

Now go fishing and let this be your last post on this blog.


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OK

by sag koochooloo on

We'll let others judge your motives and values. Good luck.


Nur-i-Azal

The material you posted

by Nur-i-Azal on

Is completely irrelevent drivel. This material is an even bigger eye-opener for people who will deduce with their own God-given reason what manner of people you actually are: a dangerous Amway/Scientology-like cult with God. And your behavior here reinforces the point.

Daily abuse by NUR and Covenant?! You must be living in an alternate reality. Covenant hasn't been here in ages, and besides he or she (this person's gender has been ambiguous to me) hasn't abused anyone. They have parodied your founder (shock, horror, gasp!).  Full-stop! And the only daily abuse is from you and your fellow Haifan Bahai cultists to all your Bahai and non-Bahai sectarian critics alike. So stop this Mazlum Nama'i/feigning victimhoom when you and your flock here are the biggest zulam/tyrants since Mu'awwiya, Yazid and the Bani Ummaya!

 

What does not cease to amaze, Larry-san, is the capacity of these Haifan Bahais for transparent self-delusion and blatant deceit and then their invitation to everybody else in the world to engage in the same skulldudgerry as theirs. Once again, a specimen of Sagkoochooloo/Ali9 Akbar's morality in operation:  

This is my last comment on this blog.

 

Take a hike already!


diamondsouled

Oh but you are a Haifan

by diamondsouled on

Oh but you are a Haifan Baha'i apologist Ms Sag, your own words are a proof of this.

"It is shocking that you are implying that I and others are saying crimes should be covered up."

So you are suggesting that it is only Baha'i religious crimes that should be covered up? Mmmm.

"But come on, you are bitter. A conversation with you people is always
negative, it arises from criticism and insults to others.  I wish you
find inner peace."

No bitterness whatsoever on my part Sag, only a desire to openly share of my experience with the cult of Baha'ism to help those who are still enthralled to this cult deprogram themselves. If I can lend a helping hand to even one such person I will be thankful.

I am happy for you that you are so knowing of the inner state of others that you can judge that inner state. Heal thyself ;^)!

Cheers

Larry Rowe


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Mr Lowe

by sag koochooloo on

You misunderstand by saying I am a bahai apologist . I am not trading quotes from a religion with you at all or saying you had a good experience.

You have conveniently pushed aside the points people have made here. The point is not to say any religion is perfect, as you know. But the DAILY abuse output by your friends Covenant and NUR, etc. which borders on hate. What has that achieved? have you looked at the material at all I posted to you? People can see it for what it is.

The abuses of children by Catholic priests or any form of abuse for that matter is a matter for the law. It is shocking that you are implying that I and others are saying crimes should be covered up.

But come on, you are bitter. A conversation with you people is always negative, it arises from criticism and insults to others.  I wish you find inner peace.


diamondsouled

Oh but I am against all

by diamondsouled on

Oh but I am against all such injustice, inequity, and ignorance that is perpetrated and perpetuated by whichever religion. I just happen to know quite a bit about Baha'ism's particular injustices, ignorances, and inequities so I speak from personal knowledge and experience in these matters. Just exactly what is your personal experience Ms Sag?

Since you appear to be a Baha'i apologist as well as an atheist here is my exact same point somewhat reworded:

Humanity would be better off without such obsolete and
antiquated  religious practices and those religious teachings which
counsel such practices Sag. If you hate that fact I can only feel sorry
for you.

So is it your belief that when individuals point out the gross abuses of children perpetuated by Catholic priests and the Catholic Church's cover up of this abuse that they should address these concerns to the members of all religions?

Wake up, get a life!

Cheers

Larry Rowe


Nur-i-Azal

Yep

by Nur-i-Azal on

Anyone who disagrees with your morality is a card carrying Bahai

Yep, a card carrying HAIFAN Bahai like you, Ali9 Akbar jun, ROFL!

Not smoking your special herbs are you? 

Why, you looking to score some? ;-) 

 

Now about your morality:

This is my last comment on this blog.

LOL!

And,

 I myself am an atheist .

 

ROFLMAO!! 
Right <grin>, a hardline Haifan Bahai defending atheist. Now where have we heard that one before, Larry-san? O palu, O palu, o where or where canst thou be?


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Yes Mr Azal

by sag koochooloo on

Anyone who disagrees with your morality is a card carrying Bahai, part of an conspiracy agency, female (LOL), they msut all the same people using multiple IDs and living in Australia.

Not smoking your special herbs are you?

Deluded moron.


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Mr Lowe

by sag koochooloo on

Humanity would be better off without such obsolete and antiquated Baha'i religious practices and those Baha'i teachings which counsel such practices Sag. If you hate that fact I can only feel sorry for you.

Who are you to say this? That is your experience. I myself am an atheist . I went to strict Catholic boarding school which had its good and bad points. But I do not go round preaching AGAINST religions. This is what is so disturbing about this daily onslaught by people like yourselves on one group of people. To try to insult and offend goes to far. Did you see the links I provided?

Your motives would have been more credible if you had targeted religion in general, but the fact that you are targeting one gives you away as just sour grapes. Your motives are not noble at all. That is clear to any objective observer.


Nur-i-Azal

It is actually Ms

by Nur-i-Azal on

Sagkoochooloo (trans. little dog). She also posts under the alias Ali9 Akbar.


diamondsouled

"you are trying to spread

by diamondsouled on

"you are trying to spread hate"

Actually Mr Sag, at least I have the courage to use my rel name. And  no I do not wish to spread hate, I only wish to expose those who have hatred and fear as their guiding principle and credo. Those who hide behind a covenant which they freely use as a bludgeon to threaten and coerce. Those such as your Haifan Baha'i UHJ who are mummers of fine words such as these:

"Above all, we expressed our conviction that the time has come when religious
leadership must face honestly and without further evasion the implications of
the truth that God is one and that, beyond all diversity of cultural expression
and human interpretation, religion is likewise one."

... but who through their actions in excommunicating one of their own fellow coreligionists Baha'i scholar Sen McGlinn, simply for the expression of his human interpretation, have shown that such fine words are for them empty, without meaning.

There is nothing wrong with noble concepts Sag but when fanatical adherance to any religious dogma and doctrine comes bewteen an individual and their living of those noble concepts that person should begin to question the true value of those dogmas and doctrines. Dogmas and doctines such as Baha'ism's covenant breakerism which not only makes it OK to see one's fellow human beings as spiritually diseased, as contagious, it makes it obligatory. 

Humanity would be better off without such obsolete and antiquated Baha'i religious practices and those Baha'i teachings which counsel such practices Sag. If you hate that fact I can only feel sorry for you.

Cheers

Larry Rowe 


Nur-i-Azal

W-H-A-T-E-V-E-R

by Nur-i-Azal on

Yes some work for a living and have jobs Wahid Azal.

 

Could've fooled me. Surely the BIA doesn't keep you that busy, do they, especially in these economic times?

This is my last comment on this blog.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out now, and Buh bye!

 

 


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Mr Lowe, you say you left

by sag koochooloo on

Mr Lowe, you say you left this religion.  Surely if it did not suit you and you disapprove of it, why make it a public declaration again and again ? Why do you people insist on airing your dirty linen in public? It makes you better? How sad.

And yes, you are trying to spread hate. All you need to do is to look at past material posted by your buddy and his friends here. Some of it is the most shameful things I have ever seen on the internet. Look at the stuff posted by user Covenant , NUR , Zulfiqar110 , Badi19, and this one (Ravian Bilani) which is a jumbled version of a bahai name.

Here is two that I will never forget. Azal says that he was not user COVENANT but you can see his approval all over them.

//iranian.com/main/blog/covenant/unseen-pictures-bahaullah

//iranian.com/main/blog/covenant/abdul-bah-every-heart

If you are saying that you are doing all this propoganda for positive reasons let others judge. The obsessive comments posted by Wahid Azal in the following article display clearly that you are trying to slander and put others lives at risk. Pure bitterness.

//www.iran-press-service.com/ips/articles-2008/may2008/a-grand-ayatollah-and-an-influencital-journalist-t.shtml

That is if you are already not aware of these posts.  Please do not attempt to make your problems other peoples problem.  I do not care for your religious quotes and nor does anybody else. If this religion or any other thing like a job, partner, etc did not suit you it does not make it a bad thing. Now just move along and learn some humility.

And regarding W-h-a-t-e-v-e-r:

Yes some work for a living and have jobs Wahid Azal. Not at home all day posting garbage on the internet.

This is my last comment on this blog.


diamondsouled

"And now they want to get

by diamondsouled on

"And now they want to get even through spreading hate ."

Mmmmm. Seems your cult leaders are the real experts in hate, and the paranoia that spawns religious intolerance and hatred:

Therefore, in the light of the warnings of the Guardian, the Auxiliary Boards for Protection should keep "constantly" a "watchful eye" on those "who are known to be enemies, or to have been put out of the Faith", discreetly investigate their activities, alert intelligently the friends to the opposition inevitably to come, explain how each crisis in God's Faith has always proved to be a blessing in disguise, and prepare them for the "dire contest which is destined to range the Army of Light against the forces of darkness".

(The Universal House of Justice, The Institution of the Counsellors, p. 16)

This is spite of the fact that your prophet had supposedly removed such divisive religious practices:

In this way His Holiness Bahá'u'lláh expressed the oneness of humankind whereas in all religious teachings of the past, the human world has been represented as divided into two parts, one known as the people of the Book of God or the pure tree and the other the people of infidelity and error or the evil tree. The former were considered as belonging to the faithful and the others to the hosts of the irreligious and infidel; one part of humanity the recipients of divine mercy and the other the object of the wrath of their Creator. His Holiness Bahá'u'lláh removed this by proclaiming the oneness of the world of humanity

(Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 246)

Still want to have your cake and eat it?

Cheers

Larry Rowe


Nur-i-Azal

?

by Nur-i-Azal on

W-h-a-t-e-v-e-r


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I do not have security

by sag koochooloo on

I do not have security access to the site for your link where I am today.

 

 


Nur-i-Azal

LOL

by Nur-i-Azal on

Yeah right. And by your example and behaviour they can see the true
underlying reasons for your continuous harassment of what is a gentle
group of people.

 

Yes they do :-) You are very funny Sagkoochooloo, and totally bee-sharm!

And speaking of a gentle group of people. Now give it a rest.


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Sophia says:

by sag koochooloo on

"These are PEOPLE you're talking about, Faryar.  People who just so happen to fundamentally disagree with your beliefs. "

Is that why Sophia you are defending someone who has openly wished Death to Haifan bahais? That on a previous post had said that if any of his actions do affect the fate of the 7 members on trial in Iran JUST FOR THEIR FAITH he will be happy. I do not give a hoot for any religion, but find the bullying on innocent people unacceptable. You keep copying and pasting BS repeatedly which noone cares about. Now it is the Church of Scientology. Go find happiness and leave others to live their lives.

You people are just dishonest hypocrites.  If anything , as representatives for bayanis (who may be wonderful people) you have ruined their reputation . With your inhumanity and lack of tolerance towards others. You are the people representing their values on IC and you have let them down . That is the only thing you have achieved through your behaviour. Shame on you.

WAHID says:

we do what we do because we have a civic, moral and conscientious duty as former Bahais to inform as many people in the world as possible about you people, your organization and the clear and present danger you represent

Yeah right. And by your example and behaviour they can see the true underlying reasons for your continuous harassment of what is a gentle group of people. You fool noone, bitter and angry young man . No religion is perfect but you continuously target this one for bad propoganda.  It is not the religion which is your problem, it is your own demons.   It is easy to act like a bully but it takes courage to take an honest look in the mirror. Before you do any further damage to yourself and the bayanis which you represent go sort yourself out. you may think I or others are your enemy but you are wrong. Before  pasting and posting more rubbish to be argumentative just think about it. Noone here has criticised bayanis, they have encouraged you to write about them, and wanted your happiness. Instead you have treated everyone with contempt. Religion is not your problem, your problem is you.


Nur-i-Azal

Re: Yekta

by Nur-i-Azal on

Why don't you apply an even hand to the attacking of other people's religions? Or is it the case you believe that some religions are more equal than others?? Furthemore no one has actually forced you to come here and read this blog, have they, whatever else you come here for?

Haifan Bahai Tactics


1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind, biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer, i.e. shoot the messenger
***6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed while supporting the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais***

 

And speaking of heads stuck in mud, and worse....

[Crossposted to USENET]


Nur-i-Azal

Dear Faryar

by Nur-i-Azal on

Indeed, good advice. So take it and stop hanging off the every word, comment and blog of us bad, bad covenant breakers.


faryarm

Dear Yekta

by faryarm on

Thank you,

Good Advice. 


sophia

Cultist Rhetoric

by sophia on

 

Faryar and Sag Koochooloo, I would suggest you consider the tone of your statements in light of the current legal problems facing the Church of Scientology, and the criticism leveled at it by its former members. Right now, you are using the language, strategies and organizational rhetoric adopted by cults to the the letter, wether quoting your own writings or through your own words. 

//www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/exscientologist-sues-the-cult-for-loss-of-girlfriend-and-business-1825557.html

 A Church of Scientology spokeswoman said yesterday: "It is a nuisance, because it attempts to reopen something which was fully resolved in2007. As far as we are concerned, it is in breach ofthe agreement Mr Craig made then. At a time when our church is enjoying unprecedented growth it is not unexpected that some disgruntled or self-serving individuals might seek to profit from our expansion, or for other reasons try to cause disruption."

 

//altreligion.about.com/b/2009/05/13/scientology-its-always-someone-elses-fault.htm

Wednesday May 13, 2009 

"I've tried finding the Church's side in similar accusations. Unfortunately, it's more of the same: accusers are malicious individuals, often disgruntled ex-members, who seek to harm the Church through lies and distortion. Time after time after time. How many times can anyone plausibly believe that?

I've dealt with a lot of ex-members of various religions, and they display a variety of emotions, everyone from wanting to just move on to something more meaningful to a quest for vengeance, enlightening the world about the shortfalls of the their previous faith. Rarely, however, are words like "fraud," "extortion," and "intimidation" used. Rarely is there any attempt or even hope that people in their former faith go to jail.

So apparently there's a large conspiracy of vindictive nut cases out there, all of which are bizarrely fixated on the Church of Scientology for reasons entirely removed from any present or former behavior of the Church. The Church is totally a victim in all of this. Always. Sure.

Sooner or later, someone is going to clean house. If the Church is unwilling to even address its critics and examine its own faults, the judicial branch will eventually do it for them. There's no reason that Scientology has to be marred by these continuing scandals.They could do something constructive about them, rather than just keep repeating paranoid rants." 


F.yekta

Faryar jaan

by F.yekta on

Why do you bother with these folks?  I visit this site to get informed about Iran and its events.  Whenever I see someone endlessly and somewhat pointlessly attack an idea, I just leave those folks and their blogs alone.   That is specially true if they make it their passion to attack another's religion. I find it disturbing when folks attack Islam on this site and by the same virtue it is disturbing when these few attack your religion.  I understand that it is your religion and as such it pains you to see them bad mouth it, but as the Italian saying goes, "washing the head of a donkey is a waste of soap and water", since their head will be stuck in the mud soon thereafter again.  


Nur-i-Azal

Faryar's hateful & bigotted fundamentalist rant

by Nur-i-Azal on

Yes Dead Leaves... Sophia, Fallen from the Tree...

 

And such diction and phraesology is usually that which then justifies in the name of such blind and arrogant self-righteousness the murder, genocide or otherwise the wholesale disenfranchisement of peoples who are deemed by such dangerous cultists to be dead leaf this and that.

O Iran and O world, this is what is in store for you if you do not realize now what you are dealing with in this creed and organization! You are dealing with dangerous utopians like the Islamists, and worse.

[Crossposted to USENET]


Nur-i-Azal

Faryar, how predictable of you

by Nur-i-Azal on

Another bullying tactic the Haifans Bahais regularly employ is to begin agreeing with each other when the transparency of their hateful tactics and duplicitous behavior is pointed out to them. In another context JeffreyOBF said it best on the other blog, when he pointed out,

 

I have been on the receiving end of their "warm Baha'i love" and this
kind of "love" consists of the fires of hell.  They shun and attack and
hate and then they say it is love.  They attack anyone who believes
differently than they do because they have great doubt about the truth
of their position.  To see them in action, take a look at the court
action the heterodox Baha'is took against the Orthodox Baha'is and the
BPUPC: //www.truebahai.com/court_case.html
  [Crossposted to USENET]

 


faryarm

Dead Leaves, who have severed themselves from the tree...

by faryarm on

Yes Dead Leaves... Sophia, Fallen from the Tree...

From the beginning of the world until the present time each
‘Manifestation’[1] sent from God has been opposed by an embodiment of
the ‘Powers of Darkness’.
[1 i.e. -- Divine Manifestation.]

This dark power has always endeavoured to extinguish the light.
Tyranny has ever sought to overcome justice. Ignorance has persistently
tried to trample knowledge underfoot. This has, from the earliest ages,
been the method of the material world.

In the time of Moses, Pharaoh set himself to prevent the Mosaic Light being spread abroad.

In the day of Christ, Annas and Caiaphas inflamed the Jewish people
against Him and the learned doctors of Israel joined together to resist
His Power. All sorts of calumnies were circulated against Him. The
Scribes and Pharisees conspired to make the people believe Him to be a
liar, an apostate, and a blasphemer. They spread these slanders
throughout the whole Eastern world against Christ, and caused Him to be
condemned to a shameful death!

In the case of Muhammad also, the learned doctors of His day
determined to extinguish the light of His influence. They tried by the
power of the sword to prevent the spread of His teaching.

In spite of all their efforts the Sun of Truth shone forth from the
horizon. In every case the army of light vanquished the powers of
darkness on the battlefield  103  of the world, and the radiance of the
Divine Teaching illumined the earth. Those who accepted the Teaching
and worked for the Cause of God became luminous stars in the sky of
humanity.

Now, in our own day, history repeats itself.

Those who would have men believe that religion is their own private
property once more bring their efforts to bear against the Sun of
Truth: they resist the Command of God; they invent calumnies, not
having arguments against it, neither proofs. They attack with masked
faces
, not daring to come forth into the light of day.

Abdu’l-Baha, Paris Talks, p. 102

 

 

 

 


faryarm

SG; how perceptive of you...

by faryarm on

 SG; how perceptive of you...

"The fact that these people, who claim have left the Bahai religion ontheir accord, are drawn to it still reveals only how unfulfilled and
unhappy they are in their lives. Noone who feels at peace and mentally
secure feels the need to score points against their past and revisit it
to demonise it..."

so true...


Nur-i-Azal

Sagkoochooloo's idiotic reverse pop psychology

by Nur-i-Azal on

If anything, you should be flattered that it had and still has such an impact on them.

 

If that were true, especially from your own personal end, then there would be no need to respond to any of us or mobilize entire armies of your own people on the net to libel, defame and attack us because we would be flattering you, as you say. Rather such behavior on your collective part going for ages proves beyond any doubt that our words and activities actually do matter to you; and they matter to you because deep down you all know we are speaking the unalloyed, God-honest-truth about your organization and what you people are, and that if more people listened to us your game would finally be up!

Now we do what we do because we have a civic, moral and conscientious duty as former Bahais to inform as many people in the world as possible about you people, your organization and the clear and present danger you represent. If we sat back and did nothing, then we would be moral cowards and spiritual lightweights. Of course RUHI-ed minds such as yours don't even possess the context to understand such blatantly obvious facts and truisms.

And why don't you take your own medicine and argument at face value here as far as Iran is concerned and  actually be flattered (rather than alarmed) at how you claim the regime treats your community.

Your capacity for self-delusion and denial is staggering, SG, and that is why you are not an atheist (as you deceptively claimed) but in fact a card carrying member of the Haifan Bahai organization. No atheist thinks like you, let alone talk such blithering nonsense as yours.

[Crossposted to USENET]

 


sophia

Dead Leaves, Faryar ?

by sophia on

Faryar: "A lesson perhaps to the congregation of "Dead Leaves"  you are inviting here, powerless to undermine the faith of any one firm in the Covenant of Baha'u'llah and its purpose for today."

These are PEOPLE you're talking about, Faryar.  People who just so happen to fundamentally disagree with your beliefs. So will all those in the world who do not become Baha'is end up as "Dead Leaves", and "meet their doom"? And by the way, you forgot to attribute your paraphrasing of the oft repeated triumphalist mantra of victory over those people you perceive as your enemies: "despite the "woeful assaults", the Bahai Faith has gone  from strength to strength, forging ahead, undaunted..", stiirred to still greater depths, galvanized its soul, pruned its institutions, and cemented its unity."

//reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/GPB/gpb-27.html

"Despite the blows leveled at its nascent strength, whether by the wielders of temporal and spiritual authority from without, or by black-hearted foes from within, the Faith of Bahá’u’lláh had, far from breaking or bending, gone from strength to strength, from victory to victory. Indeed its history, if read aright, may be said to resolve itself into a series of pulsations, of alternating crises and triumphs, leading it ever nearer to its divinely appointed destiny." 

I wish you the wisdom that is currently absent in your dealings with the "black-hearted foes from within".