The waves of hate and disunity among Iranians; and false claims against Bahais without any documents.
In a video I saw two young men with nice clothes who were saying bad words about Bahais in Iran without any documents. If you say that one person is for example a spay , you should have some document to prove your saying and not just by saying without any evidence. Or you should bring some example, for your claim. In other words all these hate and disunity and disrespect will be good benefits for the super power who want us in disaster and ignorance position. The international system of modern colonization is prepared to use all these hates and disunity and they are planning and waiting for such situation. The religious believe is put in the people as they are babies or young and this will go inside the people until the marrow of our bones. We cannot change it, without even any knowledge of a religion we believe in that, because our parents have believed in it. It is stupid that we want to see a Moslem child will be Jew or a Bahai boy will be a Moslem who is born in a Bahai family. To kill or hate other people in the Middle Eastern countries, because he/she is born in a family with other religion is not right. How can you expect that a girl who is born in a Bahai family be Moslem by your force? The force to change the people religions will have a negative impact and will bring more hate and disunity in our countries. In this way we will destroy a nation and by forcing people to have another believe we just damage the moral and unity. Or we give the false people to misuse this situation to make more money and more businesses.
Any people because of their environment choose a religion of a philosophy of life. To force him/her to change his/her mind is not the best way. We bring more problems in the society. And the radical people also will be happy to see death people for their religions. To attack to change people religion is a waste of time, and we bring more hate and difficulties in our countries. It is a good way for false people to destroy other people lives or capital for this hate. You bring hate between people and we will have a lot of victims for these actions. Over 30,000 Babi were killed, is it Iran to be a better country? After the revolution over 200 Bahai people are executed, is it helped Iran or Islam? If you say that Bahais are made by British so by killing them, you can give good excuse to the British to advertise against you and for Bahais? To kill or destroy the lives and capital of Bahai, you are giving them to advertise that they are good and you are bad. And why you do not understand this point? They will grow by losing some of them in your hands, but many people will join them, because of your actions. To kill and destroy their capitals will give them the position to advertise against you and get more followers. If you want to prove that they are not right, the best way is a discussion in TV with them, in that way you can give your arguments and they can answer them, and if they cannot give good answer, you will win. So in this way you help the simple followers to run away from them. With words and arguments you can win, but by killing them and or saying bad words about them, you will lose. Our people are destroyed to force to go to other countries, because they could not stay and work in their motherland. Do you think that is good for us or for the great Satan?
The Bahai or half Bahai children were in trouble from the child hood. Why the Bahais are wrong, do you have any documents for this or can prove it in the debate from TV stations? Why we should be victim of religions of our parents? Why you do not bring the matter to free and open discussions? If you think you are right, why you do not give the possibilities to the Bahais to defend themselves or their religion? Why they are wrong and why they are in a wrong way? Bring all your documents in a discussion in TV. The people say that the Bob has denied his claim, then why he was killed or executed? If somebody deny for a philosophical claim should be killed? Why Galileo is not killed after he denies that the earth is not moving? The church said the earth is not moving? And they were from God side? They say because BBC is admiring them, so they are bad. But BBC admires a lot of other people, so all of them should be bad or not? Why we do not work together and respect each other? Ahmadi said he loves Iran, why he cannot work with other people who say the same thing? Like in advance countries. Why in other counties the opposition is legal and is accepted and in our countries is not? To solve our problems, we should try to solve them in a friendly way and not by force and killing.
I know a woman who was a very radical Moslem, she said all the non Moslem are wrong and they go to hell. She had a very basic knowledge about Islam and so in a different condition she was changed or converted to Christian. Know she had the same radical attitude in Christianity and she said, who is not Christian will go to hell and is wrong. All these misunderstanding and fighting is because of ignorance, if you think properly and made your inside clean, you will see that all of them say the same thing. So the Mosque and Church is the same and the Temple or Kabba is also the same. If our people just read, Molavi or Hafez or Sadi properly and with thinking, they have given answers to all of our questions. The disunity between us is a favor of the imperialists or communists international. They will have benefits of our fighting. So they can sell their production easily to us.
In that video that I saw in TV there was no evident against the Bahais. It was just a serial bad words and improper action against them, without giving any possibilities to them to come and give the answer. You go alone without any documents to the judge. They did not even give one example why the Bahais are wrong. Or which problem did they cause? I remember one of my students in the MA degree program came to me one day and told me, do you know that the Quran is the best valuable book in science and medicine or physic in the world? I asked him did you read Quran. He said no, I continue how do you have this information? You said you did not read it. He said other people said so. I said I read it and I did not find the subject you are claiming is in Quran. In that video is the same, they say, Bahais are bad and are connected to the imperialists. Without any documents and or example they say so. Did you read their books? No, we did not, than how you know this, the other people claimed so. The only use of this video is more hate between Moslems and Bahais. Which is in favor of the great powers any way? We have a lot of victims because of these types of advertisements. Instead of going after science and knowledge these types of people waste their time by saying a matter which they cannot also prove. So they bring more hate and fight between us and we will have more victims. Like the useless war between Iran and Iraq in which both countries lost and super power gained.
Did you notice that this type of argument is not in the advanced countries and even to use it is a criminal or civil case? We have no universities for our youth, millions of our children want to go to universities and there are not enough ones. We have millions of people who want work and there is no work for them there. We have millions of people who are on drugs and are addicted and there is no help for all of them. We have a lot of young people who cannot marry, because they do not have money and place or work. And they misuse themselves in the wrong way by self actions. We have so many serious problems and then we use our time and energy for something which brings more hate and disunity in our society. And we will have more victims. Why we do not bring this type of discussion in TV and get the result there? Without having any good documents this type of hate will destroy a country and that is what the super powers need and want. The people are generally indifferent or cruel and this type of hate brings more confusion in our society. We should go after real knowledge and science and just respect other idea or philosophical schools. In the matter we do not have information or enough knowledge, it is better not start. All of these is for the imperialist and or communists and against us. We get more separated and they get more united. We get weak and they get strong. That is what they want. Separation and hate for us; unity and or knowledge for them. So be clever my friends.
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Mr Ghiassi
by Aryana-Vaeja on Mon Sep 27, 2010 06:10 PM PDTFrom what I have gauged, and I don't dismiss your experience, and unless the families in question were seriously dysfunctional, most larger Iranian families of mixed religions really did not or have a problem with each other unless individuals made these ideologies a personal crutch. My father's paternal side of the family are predominantly Shi'ite Muslims of the Shaykhi school while others are secular. The rest of the family are all Baha'is. From what I remember before the Revolution, the Shaykhi Shi'ite side of the family never had a problem with the Bahai one. These Shaykhi relatives had as much love, connectedness and care for the Bahai side as the non-Bahai one and there was constant interaction and boro biya with this side. People got along. Religion was not an issue. Perhaps this was an example of the positive side of the Pahlavi's reforms such that sectarian divisions were gradually fading away, at least they were amongst my paternal side of the family.
Consider that Muslim anti-Bahai sectarianism emerged and emerges from the lower class elements. But also consider that systematic cultivation of paranoia and endless suspicion, not to mention arrogance, by Bahais themselves also breeds this mistrust and antagonism by the other side.
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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Yasna XXX 9
Dear Aryana
by Sahameddin Ghiassi on Sun Sep 26, 2010 03:17 PM PDTI am for the unity of mankind and respect of all religions or even non religions. What can we do if we born in a family with one or two different religions. Why we should be punished because we have a Bahai mother or father? I agree that the radical people do not accept other people and that is the point I would like to discuss. In some cases like mine, I have been persecuted by Moslem, because my mother was Bahai and I have a milder persecution by some Bahais because my father was Moslem. I have been persecuted two times and that is not fair. Why we should be persecuted because we have mother or father or family with different religions. I am for humanity and unity of mankind regardless to the religions or nationalities and I think that is not right in 21 century the people be persecuted, because of religions, nationalities or races which all of them are man made subjects. I am trying to remove this problem as far as I can. You know a lot of people are persecuted because of religions in Middle East and that is wrong. I think humanity and Love and Unity is much more important than different school of thinking. Humanity should cover all schools and all religions.
Mr Ghiassai
by Aryana-Vaeja on Sat Sep 25, 2010 07:32 PM PDTThere is something neither you nor many other similar Bahai cheerleaders on this site seem to understand - maybe deliberately. Individuals Bahais by and large are not a problem. By and large within the greater Iranian middle class most Iranian families usually have one family or relative who is a Bahai. Unless ideology becomes a sore point, families usualy get along with each other with mutual respect unless certain boundaries are crossed and violated. Unfortunately the problem is that organizational Bahais have a giant chip on their shoulder believing all Iranians somehow owe them something forever, on the one hand, while some of the most fanatical and dishonest individuals around are fanatical organizational Bahais, on the other.
Now these people spend endless sums of money outside of Iran advertising their plight, pushing the issues of other minorities into the peripheries, etc, while engaging in similar forms of persecution against their own schismatics, dissidents and critics. People in Iran are not stupid and this generation of urban middle class Iranians are by and large pretty open and broad minded, generally not giving a damn about people's personal beliefs unless it becomes an issue. Unfortunately the Baha'is are constantly making their beliefs and sense of entitlement an issue, and naturally this might be causing quite a bit of suspicion amongst lots of Iranians who might otherwise be friends. Add to that the amount of organized yet uncritical Iran-setizi Haifan Bahais engage in from the West, is pretty blatant (which btw is privately deplored by some Bahais themselves), and you have answered part of your own question as to why. That people don't like the Baha'i zealot or are suspicious of the Baha'is in Iran is not entirely the mullahs fault. They bear responsibility, yes, but not all of it because it takes two to tango.
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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Yasna XXX 9