Sargord Pirouz

Abaramrd: Not being weak or

Abaramrd: Not being weak or even being strong mean that you can win a war with the US or Israel...

Thank you Iraneh Azad

It is indeed frustrating to find IRI stooges always pointing to Israel when they have no answer. Truly pathetic.

-Fair

YMJ is clearly an IRI stooge

and a blatant liar. You might as well rename yourself "Qom Bob".

Great, Iran has Tor M1 a short range anti aircraft missile from Russia. How many such installations? For a country the size of Iran with so many vital targets and oil terminals, etc.? Very very inadequate.

Let's see- next comes the S-200, or the SA-5, a 1960's era Soviet missile which has been obsolete for decades now, and is a piece of junk.

And the S-300, or the Russian SA-10. I guess you haven't been following the "disagreements" between Tehran and Moscow lately, where Tehran has been complaining that Moscow has not yet delivered the SA-10, which has been being discussed for years now with no result.

And Iran has some of the best pilots in the world? Says who? This is not the late 1970's it is 2010. How much flight time does an Iranian pilot get per year, and what does his training involve? What kind of weapons? And furthermore, let's say the current Iranian pilots are decent, what are they flying? 40 year old airplanes which can barely get off the ground, with no avionics or radar and dumb bombs and virtually no air to air missiles. Boy, I wonder how long they will last. They are sitting ducks and target practice for any air adversary Iran faces. The Saudi Air Force could take them out with no problem, let alone the Turks or the Israelis or the US. And this is not a reflection of the Iranian pilots, it is a reflection of the incompetent traitor mullahs and the clueless people like you who pretend night is day.

yes, maybe air power did not do much for Israel in 2006, because Hezbollah offered no infrastructure targets and was in a small densely populated area. But this is not the case in Iran, Iran has plenty of targets which it cannot defend, and its infrastructure will suffer massively in case of an air attack by any of its enemies. You have no place even discussing this when you are so clueless as to equate the Israeli Lebanon border in 2006 with Iran in 2010.

You are clearly way out of your league. Get a clue.

-Fair

Why is anyone who is informed an IRI Goon?

You'r rhetoric and reverse psychology is becoming more and more ineffective.

Clearly there are zionist on this site patrolling and trying to propagate for the zioinst regime.

The zoinost regime even has a name for them (Jewish Internet Defence Forces)

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Now how come anyone who is well informed of the siutation is an IRI goon?

Your double standard only exposes your hypocricy..

Why is it that everyone who's not a regime goon

is a zionist?

Besides, which is worse? A zionist or a regime prick who condones killing, raping and torturing his own people??

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IRAN BEFORE ISLAM 

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Fair, many studies has been done

About Iranian military and its strategies. I have couple of links in my bookmarks but I do suggest that you do your own research for more information on the subject. Iran is not a weak country.

//www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=2548 

//www.scribd.com/doc/5922823/Irans-Asymmetric...

Fair: Maybe Abarmard knows

Fair: Maybe Abarmard knows something the rest of us don't???LOL

Abarmard: What are those "strategies" you speak of??  

Can anyone post without Rehtoric? Im dissapoitned.

Why is everyone posting with the same rhetoric that the Americans and the British constantly use?

Its like CNN, FOX NEWS, BBC, VOA, and the rest of the zionist owned media has gone straight to you'r brains!

 Its funny how you SAY you'r Iranian, which i HIGHLY doubt, but dont condmend US/UK/French/German backed Saddam.

You rather try and point the blame at someone else rather than Irans true enemy which is the US and UK, which have held Iran back through a coup in 1953 and pushing Saddam to go to war with Iran.

a TRUE Iranian would know who the enemy is.

You must be living so long in exile that you think America and UK want the "best" for Iran..

Well said Abarmard

Well said Abarmard. As you are aware, I am not a fun of any of IRI factions, but I have not forgotten that only days before the last U.S invasion of Iraq, Joe Scarborough said one of the objectives of Iraq war was to sandwich Iran and then go in .... so far despite all its mistakes IRI has not allowed them to do what they have to to Iraq and Afghanistan with whatever it (IRI) has in terms of politics or military capability,......,  or khAli bandi!

TO ALL IRI SUPPORTERS

NA GAZEH, NA LOBNAN, JANAM FADAYEH IRAN!

Whoever sinks into a low life strategy of calling such patriotic Iranians like Mr. Fair as a "Zionist" is an IRI stooge. Go to Lebanon and fight the Zionists. Soon all the Mullahs, including geda Ali will have to move to Lebanon for the rapes they have committed on our people. Sham on all IRR rapist stooges.

Fair is clearly zionist..

"If you disagree with this, perhaps you can point out for the readers why you think Iran could defend itself from an air attack, because it can't."

 - Iran has air defence systems and some of the best pilots in the world!

Iran has the TOR M1, S-200, S-300, Buk missiles and a mountanous terrain which is perfect for hidden airdefence systems.

 Iran is also a HUGE country.

 Air power did NOTHING for the zionist Regime against hezbollah's 4,000 men militia.

Hezbollah took out a zionist ship and over 50 Markeva tanks with their second rate weaponry. They are 10 times more powerfull today then they were priorr to 2006.

This is a MILITIA. dont forget.

Your clearly a zionist because anyone from the middle east is proud of this resistence movement's resistence of the brutal zionist regime which killed over 1,400 women and childeren in an open prison in Gaza.

Abarmard, its unbecoming of you to look like such a Namard

You say

"Those men have realized what are their strengths and weaknesses from 8 years of modern warfare"

You call World War I style trench warfare and sending innocent 14 year old children to the battle field "modern"?

Then you say "Iranian weapons are made to match those strategies"?

What strategy? No one is selling them the good American weapons so they go copy North Korean 1960's technology weapons. You call that strategy? You want a modern Army in the ME? Please look at Turkey. That is Modern. The IRI Spends most of the good money on the IRGC thugs who are killing our brothers and sisters in the streets today. They are not spending it on the Iranian Army.

As an Iranian I find it insulting for any individual to misleadingly upgrade our defenses when the scum mullahs in charge are raping our hamvatans. These mullahs destroyed the Iranian army in the 1980's. Shame!

No Abarmard, you just need to look at reality

If the Viet Cong went and hid in villages and fired medium range rockets from those villages into random population centers, yes they would be terrorists too. But they didn't. So they are not.

There are very clear definitions for such war crimes, of which both sides were guilty in 2006. That is if you want to bother and look at reality and not just broadly generalize everybody.

Also, if you notice, I never undermined the men of the Iranian military whatsoever and don't you try to mischaracterize what I said as otherwise. Iranian soldiers always did the best they could with what we had, it is not our fault that our leaders betrayed us and our people.

Now you say "Iranian weapons are made to match those strategies". Maybe you can elaborate. What strategies? It is more like "Iranian weapons are made according to Iran's limited industrial capabilities". Therefore Iran's range of available strategies becomes accordingly limited.

You furthermore say "No country in the region, including super powers, can easily attack Iran" to which I have already answered. The lack of attack is not because of military reasons. Certainly not an attack from the air. The lack of a ground invasion is also simply because nobody currently has any reason to invade Iran from the ground. If you disagree with this, perhaps you can point out for the readers why you think Iran could defend itself from an air attack, because it can't. You might find this insulting, but it is reality. It is not a reflection of the brave Iranian men who serve our country, it is a reflection of the traiterous regime that puts them in an impossible situation of defending our country empty handed. Last time they had to fight it took 8 years precisely for this reason.

So don't mix things up and mischaracterize me. In other words, be

FAIR

And you lied through your teeth IRI stooge

You can call Hezbollah anything you want. Attack Israel and then running and hiding yourself and your weapons in civilian areas is not a very smart doctrine for Iran's defense. And since you clueless stooge held that up as "proof" of Iran's military might, you have egg on your face big time. As you do because you repeated lies of a bankrupt government such as "building their own planes like Abzereshk", when they did absolutely no such thing.

You are the one who wrote the first personal attack by calling me a zionist (which I am not) so screw you. Every line of my response was filled with facts and arguments which you cannot answer, so you go home crying like all IRI stooges instead of actually trying to be truthful and factual. You have yet to withdraw your lies. Why am I not surprised.

-Fair

Fair it's unbecoming of you to be unfair

Vietnamese were terrorists also?

Who wins at the end is what matters. US and Israel have come to understand this, therefore I wouldn't undermine the Iranian military if I were you. Those men have realized what are their strengths and weaknesses from 8 years of modern warfare (on the field experience), and have realized what matters the most in their unique environment and Iranian soil have giving them home field advantage. Iranian weapons are made to match those strategies, and saying the least, i would say that's smartest way. iran spends less than any country and has more power than all countries in the ME. No country in the region, including super powers, can easily attack Iran.

On top of it, as an Iranian I find it insulting for any individual to downgrade our defenses, which is made from brave Iranian men and women who heroically serve their country. 

mannya2001

I didn't join, they took me ;0)

Actually I had no choice. At the time every male French citizen had to do his military service if you were over 17 years of age and unemployed or not enrolled at the university. I had failed my first year at the university and was forced to join the Army. If I had passed my exams I could have postponed my military sevice for at least two years. I don't regret it, It was an interesting and enriching experience. 

I was promoted Corporal after two months training.

Today the French military is entirely composed of professional recruits and doesn't take conscripts anymore. So students have no worries in that regard.

You showed your colors ZIONIST!

You clearly showed your colors zionist.

Hezbollah is a resistence movement which is political movement now. It is Lebanons army. The Lebanese government has agreed to allow them to keep their weapons, citing the zionist regime's agressions for the reason.

A zionist first makes a personal attack, then they write a lengthy reply filled with rehtoric and sensationlism.

Then they call a movement which achieved 52% of the popular vote in Lebanon as a "terrorists"..

you mean terrorism

and you sound like an IRI stooge.

The reason Israel could not destroy Hezbollah is because Hezbollah hid behind civilians. It would attack Israeli soldiers, and then retreat into residential neighborhoods. Is that the brilliant "asymmetrical warfare" that you are bragging about that is keeping us safe? If Hezbollah actually left civilian area and tried to touch even one Israeli brigade one on one it wouldn't last 5 minutes.

Hezbollah had no choice, because they are a militia in a poor defenseless coountry bordering one of the most powerful militaries on the planet across a tiny border and operating in a tiny area. They have no high value centralized targets. What about Iran? Does Iran face a similar enemy along a similar front in similar circumstances? Does Iran have important vulnerable targets? Do Iranian soldiers need to move in a tiny area or in a huge area? You are utterly clueless here.

Those planes you lied about are NOT built in Iran, and it actually serves them no better than the unmodified versions of the planes. In fact, the previous unmodified version could carry air to air missiles and the new ones can't.

So, what exactly would the role of Saegheh be in the "type of warfare they are preparing themselves for"? Such a plane is useless, especially in asymmetric warfare, because it would never even be able to take off- the first thing that would get destroyed is the runway it uses. And if it did take off by some miracle it would get shot down in minutes by any of the enemies I am talking about- the US or otherwise. So stop holding up empty capabilities and bragging about them.

So this is your "proof" of military might- soldiers hiding behind the skirts of women and children? With absolutely no air capability, no air defense of population centers, no heavy weapons to speak of?

Lies, BS, and propaganda, and blame everything on the "zionists" and the US. That is all you IRI stooges are capable of.

-Fair

Asymetrical warfare.. not conventional...

You clearly dont udnerstand the difference between conventional warfare and asymeterical warfare.

 you sound like a zionist tool.

Iran does not have the funds to build 300 million dollar war planes, nor does it benefit them. it would be an absolut waste of money for them.

Those planes i mentioend serves them fine for the type of warfare they are preparing themselves for. Plus it gives them know how for the future.

No one can match America's conventional warfare power.

Iran is/has been preparing for asymetrical warfare.

Iran's military might proof? Zionist regime couldnt even damage a 4,000 man milita in southern Lebanon...

They are trained and armed by Iran. But don thave any armored vhechiles, tanks or air force.

This is proof for anyone willing to analyze and read more and reasearch.

The clueless one is you

and utterly so. Anybody who claims

Iran is building its own planes now (Azarashk, Saegheh).

is clearly a victim (willing or unwilling) of IRI propaganda. None of these planes are "Iranian built". They are modified F-5's from 40 years ago. And you can count the number of them on one hand. Whether they are Saegheh, Azarakhsh, or Abzereshk.

Same goes for "self sufficient" in their defence forces, as well as "very effective weapons" part. They are self sufficient for small arms like rifles and rpg's, some artillery and ammunition, and rockets. But that is about it. And none of those are hardly "very effective weapons" for the 21st century.

And it is not a matter of conventional warfare against America, it is with any of Iran's neighbors. Iran could not stand up conventionally to Turkey for example, and in the air could not stand up to KSA or UAE either.

Perhaps many analysts view IRI as a regional power, but nobody with any mass between their ears considers IRI as a regional military power in the conventional military sense. Its strength is in the form of terrorism (support for various groups in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine) and rockets targeted at population centers. Not in the form of a functioning military able to actually damage a regional enemy's economic and military centers, let alone an enemy far away.

So before you throw around empty accusations, you can get a clue, or actually provide facts that prove Iranian military might. Otherwise you can keep living in your fantasy world.

-Fair

Iran's Army is the strongest in the region...

Many analysts view IR Iran as the supepower of the region. I

Iran is not after conventional warfare, as no one stands a chance against America in a conventional warfare. Iran has worked towards highly trained guerilla warfare also known as asymetrical warfare.

You clearly have no understanding of how military and geopolitics of the region is like.

 I beleive you have an alterior motive, which is to try and bash Iran's military. This is not factual.

Iran is building its own planes now (Azarashk, Saegheh).

Iran is self sufficient in their defence forces and have some very effective weapons for the type of warfare that would bring them tactical victory.

DK- french army

personal question- you don't have to answer- why did you join?

thanks

Iran has no military might

It has a bunch of rusty decades old weapons that it can barely muster up for a parade (last year 3 planes crashed/were damaged just trying to take off and fly by a crowd). Militaries of the region laugh at Iran's capabilities, except the potential of going nuclear.

The only reason the US has not attacked Iran is that it chooses not to since Iran is not yet a threat, and would rather find a peaceful solution. The reasons for this are all non military ones (political and economic):

1)the price of oil and the world economic crisis,

2)not knowing where all the targets are

3)avoid civilian casualties and suffering of innocent Iranians

4)diplomatic divide in the UN security council (Russia and China are not on board)

Otherwise, the US, or even Israel or Saudi Arabia or UAE or Turkey for that matter, can bomb Iran at will, and Iran cannot defend itself or stop it. It can only retaliate by lobbing inaccurate militarily ineffective missiles into population centers, like Saddam did into KSA and Israel in 1991. In other words, Iran's only deterrent is a terrorist one, not a military one. And in the end, if the current stupidity of AN and Islamic Fuehrer continues, and if the nuclear impasse is not solved, the US and Israel WILL bomb Iranian nuclear facilities and it will be squarely the fault of AN and the coup government, who like to play Russian roulette with Iranian civilians.

Today we have much fewer (if any) military threats than in 1979, when Iraq and the Soviet Union were actively after grabbing Iranian territory, regardless of policies coming out of Tehran. The IRGC commander himself said that the main threat facing Iran today is internal.

Furthermore waffen SS major, you can beat around the bush on NAJA as much as you want. Bottom line is, there is no mention of IRAN in Neeroye Enetezameeye Jomhourie Eslami. Nor is there a mention of IRAN in IRGC. Go ahead, keep running away from the real issue- these are not organizations concerned with IRAN.

-Fair

Thank You Sargord Jaan

Thanks for your interesting feedbacks.

Actually it is a very nice antheme with interesting lyrics.

Having been in the French Army, I know how tough it can be at times for conscripts. The Army is tough but is also an experience that I remember fondly.

As you said it is a place where comaradrie bonds everyone together particularly when everyone is treated equally.

It's hard to get back to a normal life after having been conditioned for an entire year.

In IRan I believe the military service is much longer something like 2 to 3 years am I right ?

I think we should adopt the Swiss Army in this regard. The military service is dispatched over 12 years or so and one has to attend for two weeks every year over that periode. It allows you to keep in shape and at the same time have a feet in civil life. It would be more beneficial particularly for those who do not want to join the army for a career but who can still have a military training.

take care,

DK

And then they went on

to beat women with truncheons over the head on the streets of Tehran....

and they lived happily ever after....

According to "Sargord", of course:

 It should be pointed out that the anti-riot forces wearing all green fatigues are actually selected army conscripts attached to the national police force (persian acronym: NAJA)

DK

I noticed that, too! And you just posted two YouTube clips of the same anthem.

I think they used it because it's closer to a conventional military march than Iran's other anthems and nationalistic scores. Probably a matter of convenience, too.

The conscription term limits have come down a bit since the old days, and there's a bit more flexibility in terms.

I actually have a personal "stare at goats" type story, but I'll spare y'all. :) 

Future Recruits of the Imperial Army ? ...;0)

Why are they parading with the Qajar Royal Antheme ? ...

Can they stare at Goats ? That is the major question :

VIVE LA RESTORATION !

LOL

The film itself

I'm surprised by the candidness of the film. I can't remember ever seeing a Western film (especially American) showing a soldier candidate weeping during his first days at boot camp- everyone knows there's a few in every army that do.

Great story, Phantom.

Fair, you've provided a translation. However, the official translation for niroye entezami is "Disciplinary Forces". As you probably know, the common term is "police" (pronounced: "Polis").

The acronym NAJA is expressly used by the IRIPF, and is actually sewn onto some cadre uniforms. The acronym is pronounced rather than spelled out by letter.

These conscripts attached to NAJA do not consider themselves policemen, rather they consider themselves army soldiers.

This Army

Iran's military might is the only reason America has not attacked it.

 It's also why they have asked congress for over 400 million dollars to OVERTHROW Irans government like they did Mohammad Mossadeq's in 1953 with only 1 million dollars.

brainwashed soliders

this army is a NOT a nationalist army in service of iran but rather it's in service of that dictator Khamenei who has all but declared himself as Imam Mehdi. I pity these soliders. Many if not all are FORCED into this army by this satanic regime and some are even brainwashed into thinking service to khamenei is in service to the ahlul-bayt. However the truth is all of them are ENSLAVED by the wilayat faqhi. Khamenei's Army is drilled day and night that islam is wilayat faqhi and wilayat faqhi is islam. It is one and the same for u I.R.I. supporters. curses on all of you who have profaned islam with this innovation and have brought ruin to our country. Sargord if I.R.I is God's Gift and Heaven on Earth what are u doing in this kufr country called America ?? Is it that I.R.I is good for OTHER IRANIANS to live in and suffer in misery but it's not good for you Sargord??? You clap your hands for khamenei and support his army in comfort with a full stomach while living in "Shaytaan Akbar" America ?? --Your such a hypocrite.