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I wait tables in Vegas and

I wait tables in Vegas and every Christmas we have to put up with the most horrible people on the planet, the Persians. It's like their little annual holy war to come here from Cali and treat the locals like shit. We actually refer to the patio at our restaurant as the Gaza Strip because they are so awful. They're cheap beyond belief, actually trying to HAGGLE for their food! And this is at a five star hotel. It really is hilarious when they try to say they're Italian but their name is Aziz and they're speaking Farsi. Oh, and Italians can actually afford to tip. Lay off the hairgel and perfume, you're gagging the rest of the world. We just laugh at them and put bacon grease and crumbles in their food. And I'm not joking. When you're rude to your waiters, we don't spit in your food. We just send you to hell.

not so fast Cameron

I know that you wanted to say the last word and walk away but you messed it up.  It seems that you are as weak in Persian Literature as you are in logic and common sense.  The famous expression that you were referring to is:

"Javb Ablahan Khamooshist"  not Ahmaghan.

Close but no cigar.

Let me give you a good poem to memorize since part of it is about you.

Ankas keh bedanad va bedanad keh bedanad,  Asb kahar az gonbad giti bejahanad  

Ankas keh nadanad va bedanad keh nadanad, akhar kharak lang beh manzel beresanad  

And finally the part that is about you:  

Ankas keh nadanad va nadanad keh nadanad, dar jahl morakab abad ol dahr bemanad.  

And by the way, ignorance is really not a bliss, it is more like an eternal damnation.   Enjoy yours.  

To Persianman

Dear Persianman,

Still can not get over how pathetic your sing-in name sounds … lol.

I hope you will be pleased to know that I respected you so much (whether your gaggaguya deserved it or not) to read your comment twice (despite my hangover since last night’s Samba party).

And by doing so, I came to the perfect reply.

And that is:

Javabe ahmaghan khamooshit.

Have a nice life … as I am sure you will, since ignorance is a bliss.
Cameron

Is it Cameron or Asghar?

Asghar Taragheh to be exact!  I don't know why you are so angry.  I wish that I could have been there to watch you with a bag of buttered popcorn.  That would have been fun.  You were probably tearing up the wallpapers in your Caribbean cabana from anger.   You hands were shaking and causing you to misspell half of your words. 

You are not just an idiot.  You obsession is driving you to insanity.   You are not making any sense.  You are repeating the same stupid statement “insulting other ethnic groups..” like a parrot without giving any consideration to my logical analogy about Persian to Iranian is like English to British.  It is a personal choice.  Six one, half dozen the other.

Why the hell should you or anybody else care, what I call myself, Persian or Iranian?  And what gives you the right to come out and insult a whole bunch of people who have done nothing to harm you? You don't even know who I am or who LA Persians are. Thank god that we don't live under IR's totalitarian theocratic oligarchy regime.  We live in America and we call ourselves Persian- Americans or just Persians and we don't care what you or your raghead bosses think about it.

By the way, I noticed that you added Jews to your list of ethnic people who might get offended.   Are you serious?   Are you trying to curry favor from Jews now?  All they have to do is to scroll down this thread and read all the anti Semitic stuff that you wrote to Zion and discover your troubled personality for themselves.

I hope that you are not related to the late General Batmanglij and Najmieh Batmanglij who wrote that delightful Persian cook book.  I like that family.   If you are from that clan, I am sorry for them.

I write under Persian man instead of my own name all the time.  But that pisses you off too. Doesn't it?   For all I know, you could have picked your name as a fictitious one too.  But you would not do that because you are expecting a paycheck from Mullahs and you have to make sure that they spell Cameron Batmanglich on it correctly.

Grow up! Learn how to live in the free world.  Don't issue retarded directives.  Because nobody gives a rat's romp what you think! Capisci(Kapish)? That is Italian for you.  And by the way, I don't have to pretend that I am Italian to get laid.   Chicks dig Persians more!      

To Persianman ... lol

Persian man …

Listen boy … you and all those who go around calling themselves Persians instead of Iranians, are the very same ones who would pose as an Italian to get some action.

When you go around and you call yourself Persian, then you are not only referring to a Grand past which is absolutely disconnected with today’s Iran and Iranian people – and provoke a laugh among non-Iranians thinking of you as pathetic small being full of complex who is clinging to a far distant past -, but you also insult ever other Iranian who have given their lives to preserve that county who are Azari, Armenian, Jew, Kurd …, by trying to monopolize Iran through ONE ethnic group – which no longer exist in its purest form.

If you really love Iran and Iranians then you would not play into the hands of all the ones who try to divide our country into pieces as they have done to Iraq.

Now who is an idiot?

You and all others calling themselves as Persian are simply doing so for your own ego. They want to glance yourselves in the glory of our great ancestors and forefather in Iran. What have you done to call yourself brave? (you don't even have the courage to write under your real name). For sure beating up someone else in a bar fight does connect you to the courage of our ancestors who showed mercury to their enemies and protected their refugees.

You must understand, that when you call yourself Persian, you immediately hurt the feelings of your other brothers and sisters coming from all other parts of Iran.

And as I said, unless you are rug or a cat, then you can not call yourself a Persian … which of course by the lever of intelligence and logic, I am tempted to believe that you are the second of those things mentioned above.

For your information (as I already have pointed out) the word Persia was never used in our mother tongue. Persia is a Greek work Persis … Iranian reflects the common name for ALL tribes and ethnic group that have resided and currently live in Iran, which over the centuries have assimilated into ONE people. Also it was a nationalistic move by Reza Khan to move away from any ‘Farangi’ words, as well as somehow try to affiliate himself with the Nazi’s (Aryans).

So if you really love Iran and ALL its people then you would not only NOT use the word Persian to refer to yourself as a physical person but would also discourage everyone else doing so.

Do so and you create a drift between out ethic groups. I have no idea wher you come from, and what your background is, but you for sure you give me an impression of a ‘Taze be doroon reside’ who´s family probably moved to Tehran a few decades ago, - Thinking of Vanak, khiyaboon Fereshte as ‘Balaye shar’ as THE place to be which in reality those place and were nothing more than Gholhak … a suburb of Tehran … while all real Tehroonis would still live the Bazar area and toop khoone - and think of present yourself as a Tehrani and think of all Tehrani’s as Persian.

Stop this nonsense … all of you … stop playing into the hands of Iran’s enemies strategy of ‘divide and rule’.

In other words stop being an …IDIOT!

Persian Man

Thank you VERY much SIR !

To Mr. Camron Batmanglich

Dear Mr. Cameron Batmanghlich:
If you care about being a gentleman and have appropriate manners, I would caution you to
refrain from making inappropriate and out of order comments like the one below:

"They idiots, who refer to themselves as Persians in LA or somewhere else, are simply ashamed of their country."

First of all, even if you disregard the fact that the word Iran has only been used internationally since 1935 and insist Persians are just one of the several ethnic people of the Iranian plateau, it is still correct to call oneself Persian.
If a man calls himself English, can anyone object that he should call himself the more inclusive designation of British? Because Scottish, Welsh and Irish people of GB may get their feelings hurt.

Secondly, America is a free country. But that does not seem to stop little self appointed dictators making directives for all Persians/Iranian ex-pats all the way from some Caribbean Island.

Thirdly and the most important one for you to consider. Anyone who thinks that he has all the answers is usually the idiot.

"Sure it is their right,

"Sure it is their right, but if then their actions aggravate the people of the land they chose as their homes, then have no right to complain afterwards. You, me and everybody, must adjust and assimilate to the society we are born into and/or chose. Regardless if the society is decadent, and their people unfair and backwards as the Europeans were. If you, me don’t like it … well then we have to move on."

Interesting.  Does such an opinion apply to EVERYONE who lives elsewhere than their homeland?  The Irish immigrating to America...the Polish... Mexicans... Cubans...?  And Iranians as well?

One Last Remark

Thanks Cameron.

I just want to end our discussion by trying to reclarify an important point I tried to make:

You, me and everybody, must adjust and assimilate to the society we are born into and/or chose.
Depends what you mean by assimilate. What I understand as legitimate call for assimilation is to expect the immigrant community to be law abiding and to participate in the affairs of the society and its values of freedom, variety and respect for being different. It does not include losing your cultural identity and being forced to convert to another mind set and the sorts. This is precisely what was imposed on Jews in Christian Europe, and in a lesser degree in Islamic lands. Jews were completely law abiding and were willing to contribute to the wealth, growth and diversity of their host lands, but they were under inhuman pressure because they refused to worship the Christian or Islamic god and sets of beliefs and forget their own cultural idenitity. No society has the right to demand that, and when they do they are guilty of inexcusable injsutice.
That is why such a statement is false and unaccpetable:

...they were more or less alienated in every community the ever lived and were partially responsible for the malice and injustice they were put through by those societies – particularly in the middle ages.

Yes they were alianeted and oppressed and that was an instance of horrendous injustice. The only ones responsible for it were those who inflicted it, not the victims. This is a very important point you fail to acknowledge, even though you tried to ameliorate it afterwards:

I NEVER claimed that. I just said if you do not assimilate, then you will have a problem.

It is one thing to observe an inevitable outcome of a choice, something entirely different to justify it and istead hold the victim responsible for the injustice she has to bear for trying to exercise her right.

I hope this clarifies the reason for my objection.

You are also wrong about Jewish life in Middle Ages. In many places they were not allowed to engage in any artisanship. Your historical references are factually wrong. And all these story about Abraham are myths, I wouldn't keep repeating it in a serious discussion. Identifying Arabs with Ishmaelites is even a more fanciful myth. Just to let you know.

Oh, and I never claimed the Jews were behind all that makes the modern world, but the modern notion of multi-cultural respect owes its acceptance more than anything else to the Jewish experience and steadfastness.

Thank you....

I will look forward to hearing comments from others regarding this subject.  It appears to be somewhat subjective and personal in nature.  The same debate seems to be ongoing concerning Farsi/Persian.  My husband has explained that one to me but even he goes back and forth...lol. 

How can you justify the comment about not being purely or ethnically Persian?  For sure there aren't many people living in the US who are purely "anything"...lol.  Yet we proudly call ourselves "Americans"?

Thank you again for responding to my interest and curiosity!

Reply to Iranian Wife,

Thank you for your post.

It is an insult to Azerbajinis, Kurds, Baluchis, Arabs, and all others who do are not Persians, but we all Iranians. It is an insult because all of these groups mentioned above, have given their lives to protect our country IRAN.

Calling us for Persians is also just a way to fraction Iran. It is also incorrect from a linguist point of view. You call a carpet, a cat Persian or the language, but not the people.

They idiots who refer to themselves as Persians in LA or somewhere else, are simply ashamed of their country. Right or not, in lieu of the what has been happening for the past three decades and the reputation of my country it west, I am not going to speculate.

None of can any longer actually prove our ethnicity to be pure Persian anymore since Iran has been invaded so many times and all sorts of folk gourps have been mixed and blended.

I also have mention a couple more things in regards to this subject in my replies to Zion.

I hope I have answered your question.

Reply to Zion

So … here is my last posting as of today I will have no time to post comments as I have done for the past few days.

First of all, it is your opinion that I am biased, and your view. I understand that you are defending your people and feel passionately about them … I respect that and appreciate that.

Secondly the history and the background of the formation of the Israeli state you mentioned, I just shake my head.

It is true that the Jewish militants fought with the British and had their soldiers hanged. But the rest, that everybody abandoned them is … I just shake my head in amazement. What I wrote was the whole movement which resulted in a conscious effort to TAKE and continue to TAKE land from the Palestinians (your very own cousins I need to again point out).

Now I am going to answer your comment about the Jews as a group after being conquered by the Romans and their ordeals in Europe.

YOU WROTE: It is their right to be different, to preserve a different culture than their surroundings.

Sure it is their right, but if then their actions aggravate the people of the land they chose as their homes, then have no right to complain afterwards. You, me and everybody, must adjust and assimilate to the society we are born into and/or chose. Regardless if the society is decadent, and their people unfair and backwards as the Europeans were. If you, me don’t like it … well then we have to move on. If we can not, then again we have two chose … adjust and bite our tongues or do as we wish and draw upon us all sort of misery – which many Jewish communities did in Europe.

YOU WROTE: They were brutally forced out of their land and huge pressure has been waged against them to force them to assimilate.

It was war … 2000 years ago … get over it! Jews were not the only ones who fell a victim by powers of the time. Iranians have also lost much, so have many others.

They didn't and that is something to be proud of. Proud yes … but then being oppressed by backward Europeans was the price … so please don’t complain, as THEY CHOSE their course of action - collectively.

YOU WROTE: The Jews never interrupted or tried to disrupt the laws of the lands they were living in. They were forced to take interests because the same Europeans denied them any other possibility of living, any other occupation, solely because they wanted to belive in a different set of opinions and have a different cultural identity.

False! Jews had the opportunity to engage in many different occupations. From Artists to tailors to farmers etc.

YOU WROTE: This resistance has been the basis of all cultural freedom you see and enjoy in the West this day. You should be thankful for the heavy price my people have paid for this right to be finally recognized and established. It is perverse to trace the horrendous injustice done to Jews to their basic right and desire to live the way they chose.

False again! Europe came out of the dark ages lasting over 1000 years due to several factors
1- Cultural influence from the Islamic Empire starting with their interaction through the crusades.
2- Gathering of wealth through outright theft and murder by Spaniards, Italians, Portuguese British, Dutch, Germans and almost all were involved. Theft in India, S. and C. America, Africa and Asia. This wealth made it possible for Europe to get the possibility to progress. And along all other development was also the improvement of the political system, civil rights etc.
3- Though Jews were part of such ventures as politicians, officers, you can hardly contribute the so called Modern Europe to a small group of an ethic group such as the Jews.

Besides, everything that is happening in Israel is a direct contradiction to everything that is called human and civil right, respect for international law and humanity and I go can go on forever.

YOU WROTE: If you think it necssary for people to lose their idenituty and right to remain true to their ideals, as long as they don't impose it on theirs, for them to be treated equally then you are part of the problem yourself.

I NEVER claimed that. I just said if you do not assimilate, then you will have a problem. Today if are an African American and refuse to give up the subculture developed for the past couple of hundred years, then you inevitably stand a lesser chance of success, access to of the benefits that a society can offer you etc. Especially if you outright would call all non-blacks for say….Gentile?

Same goes for Iranians. If I as an Iranian insist to not take part in a Christmas party, or soailize with Americans, British, Arabs or whever the ethnicity of the local people and their culture is, then I will not be able to fully enjoy a life in that society. Add to that, if I would go around all the time and mock all othter natiosns call them uncivlized as we were the first Monarchy, first this and that, and have so and so thousand of years of culture and make everyone feel ineferior … got me?

YOU WROTE: I don't care how many Jewish friends you have, your view is wrong biased. I hope you will come to realize this, as someone who has the privilage to live in a free society

That’s fine that you don’t care. I just mentioned that so that you would stop hinting that I have anti-Semitic sentiments, which is far away from the truth.

The country was called Persia yes – but not by us. Iran has always been Iran in our mother tongue referring to the collective group of people who live and share the same fundamental values and yet, with beautiful variations of their ethnicity and subculture/traditions. Iran is the land of different races, from blacks to Asian looking to blonds, red hairs Semitic looking and God knows what else, with many dialects, traditions and religions. And all share the same thing … their love for their country. That is why you saw people from all over Iran gave their lives defending Iran when it was attacked by Iraq … the very Iranian/Arab population in Southern Iran were the first to resist the invasion till the rest of Iranians from far Mashhad, Baluchistan, Azerbaijan; Kurdistan and all other parts arrived threw the invading army out.

I wish you a good week and it has been an interesting discussion.

Regards,
Cameron

Indeed American Wife

You are correct, and thanks for all your comments here. Greatly appreciated.

To everyone, please join this discussion

Dear Cameron, I have to repeat what I have said. Your tone and logic is different when it comes to Jews. It is good to hear that you would not have behaved differently nevertheless, but given the responses and allusions to zionists here I doubt other loud voices here would have done the same. That is why I want to ask others also to share their opinion in this regard.

[Now about your points, you are misinformed and yes, you are biased. It is not a fault for Jews to have chosen to remain separate. It is their right to be different, to preserve a different cultuer than their surroundings. They were brutally forced out of their land and huge pressure has been waged against them to force them to assimilate. They didn't and that is something to be proud of. The Jews never interrupted or tried to disrupt the laws of the lands they were living in. They were forced to take interests because the same Europeans denied them any other possibility of living, any other occupation, solely because they wanted to believe in a different set of opinions and have a different cultural identity. This is how we have retained our identity all these millenia, and whether you like it or not is of no relevance and of no importance. Like it or not, this resistance has been the basis of all cultural freedom you see and enjoy in the West this day. You should be thankful for the heavy price my people have paid for this right to be finally recognized and established. It is perverse to trace the horrendous injustice done to Jews to their basic right and desire to live the way they chose. If you think it necssary for people to lose their idenitity and right to remain true to their ideals, as long as they don't impose it on others, for them to be treated equally then you are part of the problem yourself. I don't care how many Jewish friends you have, your view is wrong, biased and yes, it has evident traces of anti-semitism in it. I hope you will come to realize this, as someone who has the privilage to live in a free society.

Your facts about formation of Israel are simply wrong. Idependence of the state of Israel was recognized by many nations, including the US. The first was actually Soviet Union. Jews had to fight the btitish to gain independence. This is a fact. Afterwards, while the arabs were being supplied with armes by the same Russians and suing British and German officers, Israel was left by herself. The US chose to remain neutral and wage sanctions on both sides and Israel had to finally get help from France and Czechoslovakia. These are facts. I really advise you to let go of such ideological bias and read scholarly works with an open mind, not the usual proaganda stuff.]

Thanks for taking the time to share your ideas with me and answering my multiple questions with such care.

PS. I mentioned Persians because that is the way they were addressed in the article. Historically that is how your land was known around the world and I see nothing wrong with it. Greeks were also only a tribe among what they themselves called the Hellenians. So is with Germans, Pols and many others. Among all that was thrown at your people there, this is probably the only thing that had no offensive element in it. Ironic. Take it easy, there is no horrendous conspiracy behind all things. :-)

"Do not call Iranians

"Do not call Iranians Persians. That is an insult to ALL Iranians..."

Do you speak for all Iranians in this matter?  I've heard differently from those who consider themselves completely and utterly 100% Iranian.  How exactly do you consider this an insult?  As a non-Iranian, the last thing I want to do is insult anyone and I'm curious as to your statement considering you have made it with such absolute certainty.

Thank you.

Reply to Zion

Dear Zion,

Misinformed no … huge knowledge perhaps no, as no one can with certainty can claim to know all there is to know about a subject area.

Now … as far as your accusation of ‘Change of tone’, I must point out to you that what you are trying to do is to make my voice sounding biased … which it is not and it would be false.

Just so you know, I have many Jewish friends and as the matter of fact, had a good relation with the Jewish community and the synagogue next to my Jazz Club. So, if you are trying to even HINT that I am have anti-Semitic sentiments … then you need to knock that off.

If I, or anyone with an ounce of sanity, good judgement and sense of fairness criticizes the state of Israel, is not the same at all to be criticizing the Jewish community or faith. No … Israel is a purely political agenda and un unnatural phenomenon, capitalizing on a history full of turmoil of a group of people. As the matter of fact there are many non-jews with a Zionist ideology and agenda, and many Jews that are ashamed to be associated with Israel.

That said, my knowledge of Jewish history and international relations may not be a lot but they are not inaccurate, biased and certainly not driven from misinformation.

The whole notion of a return to so called ‘Promised land’ started in the late 18 century and took wind with he Dreyfus affair and Emil Zola’s open letter ‘J’accuse!’. It was then that many in the Jewish community stepped up their efforts building lobbies and exert influence on policy making in several European countries and the US.

By the time the Ottomans were defeated and the Palestine fell under the British mandate, then you started to see a flow of Jews into Palestine which was organized. The Holocaust did the rest. During all this time, the Jewish lobbies, made sure that Israel was immediately recognized as a state and received help military and civilian help and assitance from many western government – primarily the US. Now if what I say is not the OFFICIAL history, then you need to look elsewhere as we all know that history books are penned and revised arbitrary.

As far as other ethnic groups, people and races is concerned, that was not included in this discussion. But if you want, we can talk about the way blacks were kidnapped and shipped to the Caribbean and the Americas. We also talk about the Arawaks once residing in the Islands of the Bahamas and how they were enslaved … then we can discuss to what extend it was their own fault.

What I said that the Jewish community was partially at fault during the middle ages, as they separated themselves (true there were to certain extend confined to ghettos they could not leave) but at the same time, when a group of people REFUSE to assimilate, refuse to marry others of a different tradition or even dine with them, when they engage in financial activities that are banned for the Chrisitans, who constitue the very society they live in an thus make a move against all the accepted norms by doing so (taking interest on money) for pure financial gain and did it overtly… well then … if you do that… then you create tension … you create jealousy and envy and simple minded people will attack you. The same goes for these new-rich Iranian spoiled kids depicted in the article and my recommendation of a change of attitude and behaviour.

As far as the offensive article goes … I would have said exact the same and held the same position if it came from Arabs, Jews or any other group for that matter. My outlook in life and the way I reason and try to conduct my life would not have changed.

I hope I have said enough …

Just end this on a different note.

Do not call Iranians Persians. That is an insult to ALL Iranians and is being used to divide our beautiful country which has hosted numerous ethnic groups and races for millenniums and accepted all as Iranians and assimilated everyone … from Jewish refugees, to Arab, Greek and Mongol invaders to Polish refugees and so on and so on.

Our culture and country is BASED on tolerance and assimilation. That is how we managed to keep a country and a culture, the same language for millenniums and never were pushed out of our original land.

So please from now on, use the word Iranian as it in compasses all who have a beating heart for a beautiful country.

Regards,
Cameron

Cameron

I don't know if you realize it yourself, but there is a clear change in tone and logic when you talk about the Jews and the Jewish situation. In the case of blacks, and I guess arabs and palestinians, their unacceptable attitudes have to be understood and interpreted as a reaction to the injustice they have faced. In case of the Jews, the injustice has to be understood, at least partly, as a response to Jewish worldview, attitude or whatever that has inherently something wrong in it. Can't you see that my question is to find out what is behind this dichotomy?

[You are misinfomred about Jewish history and the international relations regarding Israel. Israel had no help from US or Britain in the days she was fighting for her indpendence (quite the opposite actually). Now she is a major ally and gets help from the US, much the same way West Germany or South Korea got help as frontiers of the free world in the Cold War. The real protest should be against countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabi or the Palestinian authority getting so much help from the US, EU and so on. This is just one example of your wrong impression and misinformed opinion, but I don't want to get into that debate. The only reason I bring this up at all is the following:]

The connection I was trying to conjecture about, the one you said you didn't understand, is whether this kind of information (truth in your opinion, misinformation to my knowledge, but that is not the point here) is a decisive factor in this dichotomy in attitude you exhibit?

I might still be wrong about the depth of the difference in attitude. So let me ask you the following (sort of) Gedanken experiment:

If a web community of Israelis had made such blatant remarks against Persians, especially like those in the comment section making fun of Persian generosity and the ease with which it is possible to squize money out of their pockets by showing fake interest in them and playing with their emotions, would you have been as cool as you are now? Would you have advised everyone to understand the background and what tragic past all this is coming from and let it go? Do you think others would have agreed with you in such a case?

Niloufar

Well of course you're right about that.  It's always much easier to laugh at ourselves then it is to let someone else (an outsider) poke fun at us.  I think I was just more reacting to the fact that Zion was not being offensive but truly questioning why there wasn't more reaction to the negativity of the "joke" yet so many other comments cause such an uproar.  Human nature of course... once bitten, twice shy.

And yes, I've heard the Rasti and Turk jokes many times.  I do laugh but always with a little... hesitation?  reluctance?  I don't have a dog in this fight so I just need to stay out of it...lol. 

Thanks for the kind words.  :-)

American wife khanoum

So sorry to admit it, but it really made me laugh too! We can laugh at ourselves too, it is no problem.

The kid who wrote it is clearly terribly envious and may be short on cash. He has his head stuck up the lower regions of his fellow human beings full time and takes a stab below the belt with a VERY sharp pen! Waste of a talent really.

Peace!

PS you ever heard the kinds of outrageous things we say about Rashtis and Turks in the name of comedy?! Not that I feel all that comfortable about it all, but I still often cannot stop myself from laughing!

Dear Zion, Just to extend

Dear Zion,
Just to extend you the courtesy, I will take time responding you.

YOU WROTE: You are offended but since you understand them and their hatred, so you let it go. Is that right?

Yes that is correct, along with what I mentioned before, that some fights are simply are not worth fighting … they are meaningless.

YOu wrote: Some remarks: That is not what I see here. I see most people cheered up, agreeing and not feeling offended at all. I hope they would also share their views.

I of course do not stand for other people’s view or their sentiments. You asked ME a question and kindly also requested me to share my views … and I did. What others feel or how they react is their own business.

You wrote: Also, to be honest, despite what you claim, I have grave doubts even you would be as complacent if these were the ranting of 'white' folk. Cut the niceties, I want to understand this.

Your doubts at this point are really not of any consequence. Only because you have not seen me in action nor have any information about the kind of a man I am and how I conduced myself. Again … it is just an assumption on your behalf.

You wrote: What you say about Jews is misinformed and biased. I am not surprised a bit, but I am still left with my questions.

I am dying to see that you factually and based on what we see and have seen disproving me about what I wrote about the Jewish community, The Jews in Israel and the Israeli government, their politics and the way they treat Arabs in Palestine. Unless you can pull a rabbit out of a hat, or erase all the evidence and countless books, journalistic work, reports by human right organizations, video tapes, interviews, or perhaps once again revise the old testament (as it has been done on countless account in three different languages in the past) … the list can go on and on … then I suggest that you withdraw your comment above.

You wrote : What I said is a hypothetical question, but I modeled it after what people like you think of the world.
Well, I am sorry that your hypothetical question did NOT turn to be hypothetical at all. But rather an actual event and phenomena that the world is witnessing today.
And by people like? You mean people who try to be objective, who try to be mild, and yet stand for the truth and justice? People who admit that they maybe wrong but that does not stop them in their quest for the truth and try their utmost to not fall a victim for propaganda? People who recoginze the weaknesses in the group they belong too (as I ended my first posting, wishing that these Iranian kids would read the article and take a long look at themselves and alter their behaviour), or you mean people who do not buy into propaganda, pole who do not approve of injustice, people who do feel empathy despite themselves being offended? People who would fight for their rights, people who wish to be left alone and enjoy happiness … so what exactly are you referring to when you say “people like you?”

Youwrote: No matter. That is not the issue here. The question is, why don't you feel the same and 'understand' when it comes to the Jews?

I do feel the same about Jews and all other groups. I would say the same and have said the same about Jews. The way they were oppressed and pushed into the margins of the societies in Europe. If I could have changed the history, I would have prevented the Romans expelling the Jewish community from Palestine some 2000 years ago. As the matter of fact, what you fail to see, is that I come from a culture which is multifaceted. Still in Iran – despite an Islamic government - we have freedom of religion. The Jewish community is represented in the Iranian ‘Majlis’ (parliament) so are the Zoroastrians and Christians. Sure The Bahia’s are oppressed and that is very very wrong and sad to see.
I also understand the Jewish dilemma. IN one hand they want to live in peace and happiness like every other human beings. But at the other hand they are prevented to do so based on their faith, which segregates them from the rest of mankind in their believe they are ‘The chosen ones’…according to a book that their ancestors penned of course. Never mind that the rest of the humanity does not see it that way. Also that they can not opt for the partners they want if they are not Jews, that because of this self-imposed segregation, they were more or less alienated in every community the ever lived and were partially responsible for the malice and injustice they were put through by those societies – particularly in the middle ages.

You wrote: You mention billions of dollars of US and British help. This is rubbish, but is such a belief the reason?

The US aid to the Israeli state is a fact. I suggest before you dismiss it, you inform yourself.
And I do not understand what you mean by “but is such a belief the reason?”

You Wrote: Are you saying such conspiracy theories of hidden power is what makes you feel insecure so that you feel you can't understand anymore from a higher position as you do for these other bunch? Is this why this hurt feelings, the conspiracy mentality and the discrimination and bigotry are found together? Can this kind of illusions be that strong to even compensate for any actual insult or ill will?

Now you lost me … your statement above, lack a coherent meaning and intention. Would love to respond … if I understood what you meant … maybe I am getting senile :)

You Wrote: That somewhat makes sense, it matches, but I have to think about it more. I would be glad to have your opinion and that of others in this regard.

Now ... just a friendly suggestion. Before you engage in further dialogue, because you seem to be very passionate about your views, it would be great to gain more knowledge. Otherwise you will put the responsibility of getting educated on your counterpart … and that is not fair.

Have a good day,
Cameron

Cameron (and others)

You are offended but since you understand them and their hatred, so you let it go. Is that right?
Some remarks: That is not what I see here. I see most people cheered up, agreeing and not feeling offended at all. I hope they would also share their views. Also, to be honest, despite what you claim, I have grave doubts even you would be as complacent if these were the ranting of 'white' folk. Cut the niceties, I want to understand this.
What you say about Jews is misinformed and biased. I am not surprised a bit, but I am still left with my questions. What I said is a hypothetical question, but I modeled it after what people like you think of the world. No matter. That is not the issue here. The question is, why don't you feel the same and 'understand' when it comes to the Jews? You mention billions of dollars of US and British help. This is rubbish, but is such a belief the reason? Are you saying such conspiracy theories of hidden power is what makes you feel insecure so that you feel you can't understand anymore from a higher position as you do for these other bunch? Is this why this hurt feelings, the conspiracy mentality and the discrimination and bigotry are found together? Can this kind of illusions be that strong to even compensate for any actual insult or ill will?

That somewhat makes sense, it matches, but I have to think about it more. I would be glad to have your opinion and that of others in this regard.

Persian?

Just a question for this dude, how the hell do you know they were Persian? they could've been greeks, russian, arabs, indians etc. .......

Just Wondering

if it is not the outlandish and ostentacious display of wealth, loud techno music, over use of expensive cologne and certainly not the black writer's youthful awesomeness since he beats his own meat in anger every night.  What Does make a pu$$y go "ooh Whee?"

sorry....

but I agree with Zion.  How unfair!   Comments have ranged from "Oh my god that was funny" to "The guy is actually quite funny and describes a certain type of Iranians (Persians??) accurately".  Now I'm sure several of you will jump in and say that it was said tongue-in-cheek.  As if that makes a difference!!!  I didn't see anything the least bit funny.  And you want to jump his shit because he didn't think it was funny either.

Shame... shame.... shame.

JUNE....JULY...OR...JEWELRY ?

Did anyone mentioned any of these words ??

ZION is here and has something to say..............AGAIN !!!

To Zion

Dear Zion,

It will be a pleasure answering your question(s) and share with you my views. I am on sort of vacation now, so I have the time – hence all my comment on various subjects here on this site .

Ok … here it comes:
YOU WROTE: Ok, then what you are saying is, you are not offended because you see this coming out of desperation from a people who have been socially inferior than you.
To start with, I think on several occasions in my posting, I did state that the article was very offensive, and had I had the opportunity to meet the author for a dialogue, I would have put him in his place - to my best ability of course.
Secondly, I do not believe being socially disadvantaged is equal to being inferior. I have met many coming from very limited circumstances who pulled themselves up, against all the odds, and are now mature, successful people – professionally and on a personal basis. However, not trying to delude your intention of asking the question, of the way your formulated yourself and still trying to as accurately as possible answering you, the answer is NO.
I would still be offended, but I would understand them. Hatred can make people say and do things that may not reflect their hearts and the goodness of their souls, and so, by UNDERSTANDING them, it will be much easier to just walk away. That is exactly why, and based on this view, that I recommend everyone to just … let it go.

YOU WROTE: Fair enough. How about if they were white? Say low income white who were equally upset of seeing new arrivals taking over, would that be as OK and easy to dismiss? What if they were former homeless whites?
Suffering from the burden of hate, ignorance etc. has nothing to do with race, religion or sex. I would say exact the same and hold the same position. I left Iran when I barely was 14 years old and the new place that I arrived to was full of people who felt threatened by newcomers, who perhaps had a better education and understating for their age. I have been subject to extreme prejudice and racism. I have learned to understand and even sometimes sympathise with these people who act, out of ignorance and pain. As long it is just words, and as long as it is a way for them to ventilate, then it is harmless. Then I let go … and letting go of it and walking away, does not mean that I would not feel offended or upset, or that I would forgive. It is just there is no point in picking up a fight and/or challenge.
There is a saying that goes: ‘Javabe Ablahan khamooshist’
YOU WROTE: And what about this hypothetical situation for desperate Jews coming out of the ghettos or concentration camps. Would you have felt equally relaxed if they had behaved this way towards your people? Or some other muslim community?

Well, my dear friend, we all know that New York now a days belongs to the Jewish community. We also know that many from the Jewish faith have a very condescending look upon all what they call gentiles – meaning the rest of the world. From their refusal of intermarriage, to the fact that they really BELIEVE that they are the chosen people. We also know that many within the Jewish community practice severe preferences towards people they work with and whom are of the same faith. Regardless if they even speak the same language – for instance a Russian Jew who meets a Brazilian Jew. That is nothing new nor anything to hide. I can claim this, because I have first hand experience … on more than one occasion.
Then of course your hypothetical example is quite accurate and realistic as this is exactly what the world is witnessing in Palestine. A place which was taken over by the victims of the Nazi’s and many more who opted to leave the country they had lived in for generations, such as Russia, Argentina, Brazil and many other countries. This newly arrived group of people, are not only flashing the wealth that they brought with them, or made in the new place through land and house confiscation, as well as with the help of the British and the Americans by billions of dollars of aid, but are taking the whole thing one step further, and literally cleansing land and houses out of the people who the land of Palestine rightfully belong to and has belonged to for millenniums.
At the time the Jewish people were expelled at 60 AD from this land (for the last time and never returned), you have to remember that also Arabs were there. This is not surprising at all since the Jews and Arabs are of the very same father, namely Abraham. So both had shared the same land since that day. Now the Jews came back through political and financial manoeuvres and military power are pushing their cousins out.
So going back to your question and based on what I already have mentioned here, since the situation would have been beyond just verbal expression and abuse, but mine and my people’s existence would be at stake (such as the Palestinians’ are today), then I would not only be offended, but fight back with teeth and claws if I had to.
Furthermore, I find your comment of ‘Muslim and Muslim country’ a bit presumptuous. You have no idea of my religious belief. I may be Zoroastrian, Christian, Bahai or Jew as well as Muslim or perhaps I am an atheist. So referring to Muslims and Muslim country, is a bit of an assumption that I would personally not make. Of course you do as you please.

YOU WROTE: I really am interested in this and serious about my questions. I would really appreciate your answers.
I hope I have managed to answer your questions.

Have a good one.
Cameron

I See

Ok, then what you are saying is, you are not offended because you see this coming out of desperation from a people who have been socially inferior than you. Fair enough. How about if they were white? Say low income white who were equally upset of seeing new arrivals taking over, would that be as OK and easy to dismiss? What if they were former homeless whites? And what about this hypothetical situation for desperate Jews coming out of the ghettos or concentration camps. Would you have felt equally relaxed if they had behaved this way towards your people? Or some other muslim community?
I really am interested in this and serious about my questions. I would really appreciate your answers.

This is funny!

The guy is actually quite funny and describes a certain type of Iranians (Persians??) accurately. He's being I guess tongue-in-cheek here to some extent. His primary peeve though seems to be that these "Persians" are getting laid and he's not. Men! We not only think with our dicks but hate with them too.

People should probably read

People should probably read this before getting completely offended:

//stuffblackpeoplehate.com/why-you-shouldnt-r...

If you read other entries in the blog, the guy makes merciless attacks on pretty much every ethnic group - including blacks.

All in good fun.

Take a note, but let it go.

I don’t know why, but I get the distinct feeling that that author is a black male with a good education, as he can express himself very effectively and has a sharp eye – although bitter and cynical.

We all have to understand that the black community - imported and implanted in a mainly Anglo-Saxon racist/sadist environment (the US)- were regarded as the unwished part of that society. An evil necessity as their labour was badly needed. They are resentful with all the right in their side. Abused, murdered, raped, sent to wars … the list can go on and on.

Now, they see that it is not only the white boys, but Iranians, with a huge attitude thinking of themselves being the hottest dick in town, that are flooding the very community that has rejected them for generations and had it not been for the affirmative action, probably they would still living in ghettos.

So … it is not strange that he and his peers feel intimidated by the new breed of Iranian kids, flashing their money and getting lots of action.
It can not be easy to witness that.

It can not be easy too see young kids, with pockets full of money getting into best schools, drive nice cars and pick up girls that they themselves yearn for. And that this new minority, within a decade or two have surpassed the black community in terms of progress, social standing and wealth.

So all the racist remarks are underpinned in such sentiments ... I see it as a cry of desperation.

Granted, he did make some accurate observations. Personally I would not stand this ‘Joje khoroos ha and real bache sosool e por roo’. But nevertheless, his article was very offending, and I would have put in place if what he said was in the form of a conversation with me.

Having lived in the Caribbean for a number of years, and unlike other expats, truly assimilated with the black population, I would have more than a thing or two to say about the black culture and their ridiculous and horrific subculture/attitude … but frankly, it is beneath me or anyone else to indulge in such racist and prejudiced exercise.

My advice to all of us is … read it, take a note as how better ourselves, but let it go … let the guy get some steam off. Probably his girl (black for sure) was picked up by one these characters that he described, and felt powerless to do anything about it.

These incredible offences stem from their feeling of being run over and powerlessness. But at the same time…I wish the young generation of Iranians in their early 20s (do not dare to think that such carachters exists in thier 30s)also read this and take note of their pathetic behaviour and try to be less sleezy.

Cameron