Siamack Baniameri

Fatollah

You clearly didn't read what I wrote. I never said I condone it.

And your remark about "what if these guys were trying to get some payback" is EXACTLY the sugar coating and making of excuses that you accusing me of doing. It works BOTH ways.

Missing the point

Is the world so media based that this is the big problem with a war? It boggles the mind how people focus on the wrong thing. Thousands are killed; wounded with massive damage. But don't worry about all those.

We got a video that lets people feel superior in their nice warm home. No risk; just condemn the obvious and feel superior. Good for you all now you are all great humanitarians.

borat -

do not try to excuse nor sugar coat their behaviour! in war truth is lost! what if they were some poor guys trying to get some payback because their village was bombed to obvilion with women and childeren in it!?

siamack

The violation of human rights at A doesn't justify the violation of human rights at B.

A bit of objectivity, please

It is easy for all of these political and military "experts" to judge about the morality of what these Marines did from the safety of your sofa a few feet away from your TV. To say "it's disgusting" is the quick, simple, politically and socially correct answer.

But ask yourselves, what is really disgusting. From the comfort and safety of our homes we can't see what these guys see. The killing, the destruction, the Taliban's total disregard for human life.

These guys are for the most part, kids. Late teens, early 20s. They've never been away from home. They enlisted in the military because either a sense of obligation to serve was instilled in them, or they really don't have many other options back in East Buttcrack, Mississippi. They get bamboozled in high school by a recruiter....a slightly older guy, decked out in full dress uniform, complte with ribbons and medals, talking like a slick salesman about the benefits of joining the military. Before you know it, they enlist.

By the time they realize that they were trick-f**ked into enlisting, they're in Iraq or Afghanistan, surrounded by locals who hate them, and seeing comrades getting blown to pieces. They are being shot at, ambushed, and they are under constant threat of death.

Oh, and the pay is shit.

They're trained to kill. They're not trained to deal with death.

I'm not condoning what these guys did. But I'm not shedding a tear for these Taliban goons either.

IranFirst, thank you for your civilized responses,

especially after my rather pissing contest posts (ewwwaww to put it kindly to myself. lol).

I share your general sentiment in your post below,

very much....

Dear Tiger Lily

Thank you for your comments. I feel very sorry for the Afghan people (who
are very close to Iranians) and their plight. They have been through so
much unwanted war and destruction during the past 30 years. I am hoping that they will finally have a free and prosperous life soon, after Taliban (and their Pakistani handlers) are weakened, and international troops have left.

IranFirst, thanks....

this post of yours makes more sense....., although I disagree with it, because of a lot of things.....: too many pigeons in one hole.....

Don't piss on the Taliban...

...or shake the hand of someone who did.

Raising toddlers, sometimes you just tell them not to do something without giving a reason until they're grown up enough to understand the why and whynot of things. For now, pissing on people--dead or alive--is akheh!

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 Divaneh jon: thanks for

 Divaneh jon: thanks for being the only voice of reason on this tread.

A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

Oon Yaroo Jaan

That is my favorite part of the Blazing Saddles, and the Madelline Kahn scenes too.

Here is my favorite Sharif clip; Rock the Casbah!

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2aItuM1-J4

Tiger Lily, thanks for your questions

Yes I agree , it is Afghanistan and the land of  Afghan people and
NOT Talibanistan or Pakistan , who as a minority/outside Islamist terrorists want
to take over and impose their Islamic Barbarism by force.

Great people of Afghanistan have an ELECTED government which has asked for help from civilized world to defeat the Muslim Savages.
Taliban are doing 99% of the bombings and unfortunately as terrorists they
hide behind women and children, and in some cases innocent Afghans get
killed, when the coalition try to kill the Taliban savages.Majority of
killings is deliberate (by Taliban) and the rest unfortunate and as
result of the war that Taliban and Pakistan have created to spread their
cult of Islam. Apparently you did not READ my post completely , please
do so (the section about investigation and follow up about this incident)

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Brilliant piece as usual, I' impressed and Thank you!!!

But, do you ever read your writings before posting?

Faramarz Jaan! Maybe the Marines were baptizing the Talibans...

Did you like the video of "The Sherif is near...!?"

sure, Perpipi

pissing in the wind

Oon Yaroo

What 70 million Iranians want to do is to;

Piss in the Rain!

I am happy again, I am pissing in the rain!

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZYhVpdXbQ

How daft can we get?

Let us remember that not every Afghan with beard is a Taliban. If I am right there was a wheel barrow next to these dead people. They may be just some innocent villagers. Also remember that many Afghans fight for whoever pays them. They don't always fight for Sharia. Many fight because they are poor and that gets them a wage. Being a waged fighter has been the tradition in Iran and Afghanistan (and not only in this part of the world. Every army is an example of it).

Although I don't think a dead body would give a shit about piss or water, pissing on a corpse is sign of backward mentality. The enmity that has been shown here and elsewhere to the dead bodies of these misfortunate men for what they may have believed, their poor education, or most probably their poverty, is a new low to which many people have sank.

IranFirst, HOW DARE YOU!!!

Taliban, whose-ever creation, this is the land of the Afghan people. It is called 

AFGHAN   ISTAN

WHEN did they, THE AFGHAN PEOPLE,   ask for foreign countries for help for self-defence, by continuing to bomb them?

by  the way, how does your ranting effrontery have anything to do with pissing on corpses, let alone provide a justification?

Isn't this what 70M Iranians anxiously waiting to do on Khomaini

shrine once IRR collapses?

to piss or not to piss

Is it justified for marines in this video to piss on someone they killed, who had stood for killing, raping, stealing, beheading, torturing, harassing, sabotaging, etc.? Some people may want to be politically correct and say it's wrong to do so, but if that marine had lost a friend who was killed by taliban, then it's not hard to see what was going through their heads. Let's not forget that taliban are the same animals who have beheaded some of their captors, on camera nonetheless.

I don't know about others, but I can think of many IRI cronies whom if I was given a chance, i would piss on them too, whether they were dead or alive. 

Thanks US&Coalition for Killing Taliban-Side items will be Dealt

Thanks to US and coalition troops who put their lives online every day,
to protect Afghan people and the civilized world from the Taliban
Islamist savages. The Taliban who are killed here (or their brainwashed
Muslim brothers) explode themselves every day just to get their 72
virgins, at the cost of killing and maiming thousands of ordinary Afghan people and
children.
As far as the allegation of peeing on the dead , VPK is right. This is
nothing but sensationalism by the media at this stage. If after
investigations it is proven that these troops violated some US or
international law, or a code of conduct, I am sure (unlike IRI kangaroo
courts), they will be dealt with in a fair legal system.
As for the rest of the noise from the few West-residing , West-hating
Crowd, what else in new? they don't need these kinds of incidents to
make up their minds (they made up their minds about West long time ago)

Cost of

This statement of yours is one of the most dangerous I have ever been subjected to in my entire life.

"It is neither right nor wrong - it is war and you cannot legislate human behavior.  "

Please, rethink it. Think about all its implications, please. On every level. In your own daily life even, the split-second you wake up, remembering when you slept. *

*I can't write an entire essay on IC to explain what you've actually written, but I am, giving you the benefit of the doubt and would like you to rethink it properly. 

Perperzizi mipipi

the fact is that the US,  Brits, (one of ours collected corpses' fingers, which was kinda cute memorabilia) NATO and all  are supposed to be there on the

moral high ground!

P.S. Did the corpses give their consent?

God bless our troops!

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If this was my sister, my mother, my wife, my neighbor, my fellow citizen,... then peeing on the corpses of the people who did this would be the least of what I would be doing.

How pathetic to see the appeasers and apologists once again taking aim at the very soldiers who fight to extinguish the rapes and choppings and ear cuttings. Truly pathetic.

Human decency at all-time low on Iranian.com

I am appalled by this blog and by all the crazy talk of those who were jumping up and down with glee over the murder of a young Iranian man this week. How did we all end up so callous and so irrational?

Hold the criminal Islamic Republic of Iran accountable for all its atrocities, hold the criminal Taliban accountable for all their heinous acts, help take them to international tribunals and put them on trial, but do not take the law into your hands, nor cheer those who do, and most definitely do not condone acts of state-sponsored terrorism, no matter which state commits them.

On one blog recently, a "murder list" of all IRI officials who should be murdered without due processs was published.  Someone commented on that blog that not only is she in favor of killing all Islamic Republic authorities without a trial, she is in favor of digging out Khalkhali's bones and hanging them, because he is dead and a chance to murder him is no longer available.

If Iran's future is to be in the hands of some of the people writing and commenting on Iranian.com, we are in very deep trouble.

Good one sbglobe

(and also bavafa)

As I said previously, maybe if we knew the true circomstances and the reasons of that acts, we could understand those soldiers.

But by no mean, we can understand an Iranian (indeed un educated one)  who not only justify their act but also wants to shake their hands (Did you see? The soldiers didn't wash their hands after pissing on the dead corps) eeeyuw !

It is all about your character

Understanding these soldiers as why they did what they did is one thing but justifying it and wanting to shake their hands is something else (I do not think that this this guy Siamak is sarcastic – I think he means it and he would shake their hands if he could). They are always few bad apples in any bunch ….. and it just shows your character and the core of who you are when one can justify these acts. This is not about who those dead bodies were but it is about those soldiers characters. I am just glad that I do not know Siamak - otherwise I had to go through the trouble of avoiding him – I would not want to hang out with him - not for a long while that is for sure - Shahnaz     

Dogs Should not Pee on Fire Hydrants Either!

But they do!

This peeing thing was a fraternity-like act by professional soldiers, who should have known better, and they will get disciplined and it will stay on their records for a long time.

But this act by no means comes anywhere near the atrocities of the Taliban against the people of Afghanistan or the beheading of the innocent people like Daniel Pearl.

Piss (Peace) on Earth is my motto!

Dear VPK, Anahid and Dr. Mohndes…

My comment is obviously NOT pointed at you or anyone else who has condemn this act.  The blogger however, which has been one of my favorite writers on IC, has shown IMHO a poor taste in this case.

Anahid jaan:  It is true that this video gets more publicity then of those committed by Taliban, but that is partly due to the fact we are expecting a much higher moral conduct by the Western folks then of those with little to no education and a barbaric upbringing.

Dr. Mohandes:  I did pay attention, might add you are doing exact same thing as he does, whitewashing this act by turning the attention to some thing else.

I suspect if one intend to write a  blog about IRI crimes in which he/she focus more of the attention to similar crimes committed by others/adversary, he/she would [rightly] get called out for white washing the original topic (IRI crimes).  It is of no difference here.

Also, you or I have no idea about the circumstance of these folks death, their involvement in Taliban crimes against their own or any body and no one deserves this treatment.   We condemned the barbaric treatment of those dead soldiers in Iraq when they were burned and hung from a bridge, we should condemn this act just as severely with no buts or ifs.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad