Siavash300

Racism? Intolerance? Bigotry?

Doostan keep exchanges civil.  I did not make up anything, my attempt has been to preserve what we have left.  As it is stated some people destroyed our beautiful land and history.

Racism, intolerance, and bigotry exist everywhere.  It is interesting how Iranians who have accepted different nationalities defend their adopted country but do little for their motherland.

For a country with less than few hundred years old, tell me if this is racist or what we are doing for Persian Gulf?  The comments posted under that advertisement should open many eyes.

I am against ALL Racism, ALL Intolerance, and ALL Bigotry.

Aryo barzan, Yes, you

Aryo barzan,

Yes, you are right, az mast ke bar mast, az people like you ke bar mast! No questions there!!

Yes stupid, uneducated, thug wannabee, laat people never let logic and empirical argument flourish in Iran. That’s the root cause of ALL of Iran’s problem. Whether it’s Shahnshahi or Hezbollahi or Communist or what have you…the liberal internationalists whom you call “bloody communists and Arab chums, and in that you are no different than any other right wing nut like Khomeini or Hannity or O’Reilly or Shah or Hilter..”, are the force of progress in any nation, including U.S. but there are always nutjobs who label them and degrade them and try to silence them.

Well, those days are over! Iranians like me are speaking up and we want to take our country back from any right wing nutjob, whether he is Shahanshahi or Hezbollahi or anything in between. We have an obligation to do that. We tried to do that during the 1979 revolution but another rightwing nutjob by name of Khomeini stole the revolution! Now that the educated and internationalist young Iranians inside Iran want to get rid of this regime, not in hope for some “”Iranian empire or Iranian supremacy”, but for one which is respected, civilized and beloved by the rest of the world, rightwing loonies come out and say “Arab chums are this..” and “Communists are that…” and “Persian identity means belittling others”….well, we are not going to let that happen. Rest assured buddy.

Mohammad Ala,   I care

Mohammad Ala,

I care about my ancestor heritage, what I don’t agree with is when folks like aryo barzan and yourself turn my heritage into one of hate, one of racism, one of belittling of our Arab brothers and sisters, one of feeling of supremecy against others, one of intolerance, one of desire for an Iranian empire. That’s what I would never , ever, agree with.

END TO IRANIAN RACISM, END TO IRANIAN INTOLERANCE, END TO IRANIAN BIGOTRY

Siavash3000, You use lot

Siavash3000,

You use lot of emotions in your arguments and little logic. I’m sorry to say that.

The story of the Iranian revolution is very complicated and is a discussion for another day. Remember, the illiteracy rate was 70% (That shows how much Reza Shah and his son did for Iran!) at the time of the revolution. Illiterate people, although I’m sure are as nice as anyone else and have all the rights as everyone else, don’t always make the right political decisions. That being said, I don’t think in any way, shape or form that getting rid of 2500 years of tyranny and oppression was a bad thing. I honestly don’t know how can you possibly claim that. I think the mistake happened afterwards when they didn’t see through Khomeini’s lies and deception and surrendered the revolution to him and his thugs.

As far as national interest goes, if Persian Gulf or Arabian Gulf wouldn’t underestimate or enhance our national security in any way shape or form. Again, not sure how a NAME can make a difference like that!

P_J, I’m glad that you

P_J,

I’m glad that you agree with me and realize what I’m trying to say here. That leads me to think there is hope after all amongst Iranians! The more and more people like you who understand logic and empirical reasoning emerge among Iranians, the better off Iran would be.

However aziz, I never mentioned or called anywhere that the name SHOULD change to anything else other than Persian Gulf. I’m not saying that because I believe in “Iranian or Aryan supremacy”, or “Persian gloryness through belittling and bashing others”..no, because that has been the original and historical name and because U.N and international organizations recognize that. I don’t know how much more clearer can I possibly get.

Az Maast Keh Bar Maast

Unfortunately all through history we have sustained more damage from stupid friends (if not traitors) than we have ever from the foreign enemies.

From the person who betrayed Ariobarzan in the Battle of Persian Gate to people like Salmaan Farsi who sold their identity away and became Arab servants, to those who gave away big chunks of our country by signing the shameful treaties of Golestaan and Torkmanchaay, right up to the so called “intellectual” traitors like Banisadr and Yazdi who negotiated with Jimmy Carter in Guadalupe and betrayed their country by supporting Khomeini and bringing around the disaster of 1979.

It is still the same trend today with other traitor idiots who do not know their history and thing of it as being libertarian or cool to denounce their identity give away our national rights and trash our heritage.

If as some people claim we have no right over the name of Persian Gulf then what right should Arabs have over the name Arabian Sea? Shouldn’t the same rule apply to both of us at least? Why shouldn’t we raise a petition on Google to change the name of this body of water to Iranian Sea?

If this is a international rule of right or rather lack of it to these names then it should work both ways. I personally do not know the procedure to raise such a petition but if any one else could guide me or even raise this petition I will support it. Sometimes offence is the best defence.

Just out of curiosity may I ask those who think of Persian Gulf as an international body of water with Iran having no right or jurisdiction over it or its name. What do you guys think about the oil under the seabed? Does that oil fall into international category where any Western  or for than matter Chinese oil Company can put up an oilrig and pump it out, or do you think that we Iranians actually have some right over that?

Then answer this question (if not to me, at least to yourselves): why do you think the West and in this case Google is so keen to change this name and denounce our ownership and juristictiion and why are they making so much noise about the tree Iranian Islands while at the same time UK is violating all international laws by holding to Falkland Islands half across the world by the coast of Argantine. If there was no oil under the seabed (in both cases) would they have cared or even given it the time of the day.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee my sleepy head chums

There are Iranians & non-Iranians who will protect Persian Gulf

Persian Gulf name is dear to me and I have worked on preserving it for almost 40 years against abusers.

Siavash jan; Charles Belgrave, a British military personnel used the wrong name first, then Jamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt (RIH = rest in hell) for agitating Iranians kept spewing the wrong name.

This blog is about Persian Gulf and Iran’s heritage.  If you do not support it, stop posting under this blog.  There are Iranians who care about ancestral heritage and we will work together to honor our ancestors and history.

Logic from an irrational person

"You guys don’t know what logic is, you don’t know what facts are, you have been PROGRAMMED to think that Iranian means no mistakes " Iran2050

Iranians make mistake the same as any other nationalities. The most important and well known mistake Iranians made was in 1979 when the nation allowed our educated, well mannered and well respected leader among international community leave the country. Allowing our shah leave the country was big mistake and I confess, so you see we never say we never made mistake.  That was real mistake and we are all agree. As you know, right after our shah left the country the threats, Arab invasion, execution of thousands of our people, misery of our nation, losing our share of Caspian sea started. The foreign power didn't dare to do such a bold invasion once our padeshah was alive. No way, Arabs knew better than that. They learned their lesson in 3 days war in late 60's.

   So tell eveyone Iranians confess to their mistakes, unlike to what you're thinking.

This is about the name of Persian Gulf and has nothing to do with race, superiority of race, Hitler, Nazis and whatever racial segregation comes to your mind. It is our right to protect our interest against any foreign power regardless of their race or their nationalities. Persian Gulf is our heart and it remains the same name. We don't allow any one to take over our national interests the same as we didn't allow Saddam to take over Shat-al-arab.  That is it. If you have problem with that, it is your problem. It has nothing to do with the name of Persian Gulf.

The Arab (Jamal Abdul Nasser) started to re-name our Persian Gulf, NOT Pahlavi or any other Iranian. That is just very simple. Not difficult to understand.  

Payendah Iran.

Iran 2050!

Although, I agree with most of what you said, I am in total disagreement with renaming the Persian Gulf to Arabian Gulf.

It is true that we have no official right to the name “Persian Gulf”, and quite sure that it would never change despite the money that the Saudis are spending?   But, what about the name(s) of countries or other international water ways like Indian Ocean, Gulf of Mexico or Arabian Sea.   They are all, historical names TOO and I guarantee that these nations would SCREAM A BLOODY MURDER, much louder than us, if someone or some organization wanted or even tried, to RENAME them.

Why you might ask?   Simple, because it is a part of their HERITAGE and national identity as Persian Gulf is to us.  

Siavash3000,   Have

Siavash3000,

Have you ever thought about the timeline as far as which country engaged and started the ultra nationalism ideology and which society suffers from racism more? Abdul Nasser was in the 50s and 60s where as the Pahlavi regime goes way back than Abdul Nasser. Have you ever thought about maybe it is us, maybe its us doing wrong things and saying the wrong thing and not others, maybe its time to look into the mirror instead of CONSTANTLY , and I mean CONSTANTLY, blaming others, and thinking just because you’re born an “Iranian” you’re incapable of making mistakes? You know if you do that, who will benefit the most…IRAN! The country of Iran! Because you have injected objectivity instead of emotions, logic instead of irrationality, facts instead of feelings into it.

That’s what you people don’t realize. That’s why Iran is in the state it is today. You guys don’t know what logic is, you don’t know what facts are, you have been PROGRAMMED to think that Iranian means no mistakes made, no deficiencies at all, as if we are a “unique” type of human beings! You guys actually think that, and because of that at the end of the day, Iran suffers!

No one loved his country more than Hitler, no one believed in German superiority than him, no one claimed Germans are error proof more than him..and look at what happened to Germany as results. And by that I mean to its soul before its cities, to its democracy before its military, to its civility before its buildings. Now substitute Hitler with some of you guys and Germany with Iran and you have the same scenario!!!!

GERMANY DURING HITLER  ERA = IRAN FROM PAHLAVI TILL TODAY

Same racism, same bigotry, same ultra nationalism, same intolerance, same aspirations of world control, same domination dreams, same meddling in other affairs, same incivility, same death and murder, same ethnic and religious cleansing, same thuggish mentality and behavior. May God bless Iran with a different faith than Germany. God help us!

Yeah, I guess calling

Yeah, I guess calling someone who has different points of view than you as “someone who has “genetic problems” is sign of pure Persian logic and manners and common sense! Way to go those who use insults and bullying to present yourself as true Iranians!

As far as Aryo Barzan goes,

You’re the one who started the insults not me, so if you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen, simple as that. However, it is to be said your uncivilized behavior in not being able to conduct a mature conversation only illustrates and mirrors the behavior of many who share your believes of “false supremacy”, “racism” and “bigotry”. So it is very much expected for folks like you to behave the way they do. I mean you guys distance yourself from the current regime saying they’re so different than us and that you are not violent, however, what you don’t realize is that the violence displayed in the behavior of Khamenei and others is a societal illness that many, including you and others who claim to belong to a different ideological spectrum, suffer from.

As far as the claim that you’re nor asking for Gulf Of Amman to be changed, that’s just ridicules! There are no relations here. We are talking about international law here. Do you know what that is? That’s very different than law of koocheh bazaar that many Iranians subscribe to and unfortunately has become our national and international policies! Again, for the 3rd time, if you want to have world peace and if you want to respected as civilized nation, you have to respect international law, and international says this:

NEITHER IRAN NOR ANY OTHER GULF COUNTRY OWNS PERSIAN GULF OR OWNS THE NAMING CONVENTION TO PERSIAN GULF.

That’s bottom line! That being said, under U.N, it is called Persian Gulf. That’s all it matters. Now some Iranians thugs for 60+ years now have turned this into such ideology of bigotry and racism and hatred that is simply disgusting.

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I don't believe such matters are to be decided based on an internet poll, since there should be nothing to discuss to begin with. It has always been named the Persian Gulf, and will remain so. I have voted nonetheless. As Dr. Ala says, it is up to us to preserve our heritage. Thanks for sharing Siavash, and thanks for the link to your article Dr. Ala. 

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory (courtesy of Bavafa)

What is this none sense?

 "Pahlavi’s extremism led to the rise of extremism, as a reaction to it, Khomeini’s extremism." Iran2050

This is about our national interest. What it has anything to do with form of our govenment or race? In fact, it was Jamal Abdul Nasser who tried to rename our Persian Gulf, NOT "Pahlavi's extremism". It was Arab nationalism who initiated these garbages, not Pahlavi patriatism. Pahlavi patriatism saved Iran from the hand of Arabs in 80's. Shah and his legacy of "Cho Iran nabashad, tan e man mabad" among shahanshahi army personels saved Iran from the bloody hands of Arabs.

   We are protecting our national interest. It is PERSIAN GULF and it will be PERSIAN GULF in any sites, any google or whatever. If someone doesn't like it, too bad. I am sure arabs don't like it.

PAYANDEH IRAN

Oh Pleeeeeeeeas, pull the other one mate!!!!!

It has got bell on it lol

Again

I cannot see any thing new here but cheap insult unfounded accusation and hatred.

And talking about hate. Man you seem to be the one full of it.

Your blind hate of Pahlavi seems to have lead you to denouncing your national duties and even identity.

So instead of answering any of my questions you started to make uneducated claim about world history, politic and our national sovereignty.

As I told you before and in case you were not paying attention if I was a resist person or even asking for more than my national right I would have raised a similar petition to change the name of Gulf of Amman which is just next to Persian Gulf to the Gulf of Iran and that would have been even more legitimate that Emirates claim on Persian Gulf as we have more coastal border with that body of water than any other country. But do you see me doing such thing. That is because I and people like me respect international conventions. But on the other hand your Arab chums are illegally attempting to change the 2000 years old name of Persian Gulf (Please read some history and not the sort written by Marx, Lennon and Mao or other lefty communist loonies or their Muslim counterparts).

But I guess in the end as I stated before :

NARAVAD MIKHE AHANEEN DAR SANG.

So I will leave the final judgment to the readers of this article and end this conversation.

The problem . . .

There must be some genetic problem(s) with Iranians who put everything related to us down even if someone does a positive thing.

For those who blame us for racism, they should look at countries that have 200 years or even 50 years of existence.  Learn from these countries with no history how they defend their history. 

The issue of Persian Gulf is NOT just about the name, it is ABOUT people who worked hard and sacrificed their lives to have this water way open.  Here is something to read.

Areyo barzan,   If you

Areyo barzan,

If you had any common sense or sense of logic or any knowledge of political science and social science and the study of societies and the causes that lead to their rise and fall, and unfortunately many Iranians like yourself don’t, you wouldn’t say the things that you said in your reply. Your logic, or lack there of, stems from a narrow, bigot, racist, and intolerant ideology cooked up during the Pahlavi era to justify the Pahlavi regime rule, and we all saw how that ended up! Pahlavi’s extremism led to the rise of extremism, as a reaction to it, Khomeini’s extremism.

All that gibberish you mentioned about our “right” is comically wrong! What “right” do you speak of? Right according to which International law??? Don’t tell me the “right” that some Pahlavi ideologue or propaganda agent claimed we, as the country of Iran, have to the name of Persian Gulf????? This is INTERNATIONAL WATER, not a lake in Iran. You see buddy, the universe doesn’t surround around Iranians and if we think it does, then not only that’s a bigot and racist view, it will (It has) lead to our destruction and demise and fall.

That being said, unfortunately for you, none of your bashful and character assassination tactics against me worked because I said, and will say again, I am not asking for Persian Gulf to be changed to Arabian or Turkish or Indian or American..or …..as I said, and you deliberately left out cause you lack the logic to rebuff my argument, the U.N has declared the official name of it as Persian Gulf, and that’s all it matters to me, and if at any time, the U.N decides based on logic and evidence and scientific data, that the name has to be changed to something else (Which I don’t see it happening ever nor I think  it should happen), then it is what it is, and as a civilized nation, we should accept it.

So this conspiracy theorism, this “uniting Iran by oppressing non-Fars minorities”, this “The more you think we are a better race, the better Iranian you are”..mentality is DESTRUCTIVE and HOLDING IRAN BACK of becoming a democratic, civilized, respectful 21st century nation, and as someone who loves Iran dearly, people like me will fight through your destructive ideas and beliefs until they are marginalized and not accepted amongst the majority of Iranians.

Iran 2050

Well my friend if you do not have a sense of identity and cannot be bothered to defend your right and what is historically yours then I guess that is you problem.

For the rest of us we are defending what is ours, historically, geographically and politically.

I suggest you go back are read your Geography book again. Most of Persian Gulf is Iranian territory.

Furthermore it is vey naive, cheap and insulting to play the racism card when we are defending our right no more and no less.

If we were as you put it “ultra nationalist and racist” then we would have raised another petition to change the name of Gulf of Amman to Gulf of Iran. But do you see any one doing something like that here or anywhere else.

If we do not defend what is rightfully ours then who do you expect will do it for us, The British, the Russians, the Chinese or the US.

If anyone needs to wake up from the rabbit nap here it is you my friend and people like you who have lost all their identity and sense of duty to the future generation. Now you tell me mate who invaded our country in 1980 is a war called Second Ghadesyeeh and who was supplying him and his army with founds and weapons.

Just for you information I was fighting that was when people like you where living a lavish life in the West

I guess if it was up to people like you then you would have handed Khozestan to Saddam and his Baas army just to avoid being labelled as ultra nationalist.

Tell me mate who is trying today to separate Azerbaijani and Kurdistan from Iran. Do you think we should let them have our land and may be even our mothers wives and sister too, just to avoid being called racist. What freaking planet have you come from?

With regards to this attempt to change the name of Persian Gulf, if you have smallest sense of logic in you brain it then you should know that this will not end with Google Maps.

If you know anything about our history then it is needless to remind you that of and how these conspiracies work. You should know that they first start from Google as it is the easiest, just to test the waters if no resistance then they move to national Geographic and eventually they will get to UN as well. And before you know it they put a claim of Hormoz Straight and all Iranian Islands in the Persian Gulf. 

At the end of the day it all comes to a person’s sense of identity and duty towards the future generation and if you do have non of them then I guess no one could give them to you 

NARAVAD MIKHE AHANIN DAR SANG

When are we Iranians going

When are we Iranians going to learn that over-nationalism and over-patriotism is wrong and destructive? When are we going to realize that racism is wrong and destructive? When are we going to learn that dreaming for a “Persian” or “Aryan” empire and a world where Arabs, Turks, and others are vanished is morally wrong and embarrassing? When???

When are we going to let go of this Persian Gulf controversy?

ATTENTON ALL ULTRA-NATIONALIST IRANIANS:

First of all, thank you for destroying Iran with your destructive and intolerant and tracist views and behavior! Second, WE DO NOT OWN THE PERSIAN GULF! PERSIAN GULF IS INTERNATIONAL WATER! WE DO NOT OWN NAMING RIGHTS TO THE PERSIAN GULF!! HOPE THIS GOES THROUGH YOUR CLOSE MIND!

You know what, let whoever want to call it something else to go ahead and do so…what do we have to lose? The U.N officially calls it Persian Gulf because that’s the historical name for it, and that’s all that is matters. If you are objective, then facts say this is Persian Gulf, it has been always called that. Now who cares if they come out and call it the Arabian Gulf?? Why are we turning this into some hatred and bashful racism towards Arabs as we do with everything else? Isn’t it enough that we have, shamefully, belittle and bash and curse our neighbors (not just Arabs) for as long there was a nation called “Persia” ? (Yes we used to do that way before the Islamic invasion!!!) Isn’t this racism and hatred enough? When are we going to stop this unacceptable and barbaric behavior?

The fact of the matter is there are many instances like this around the world where one country calls an Island or Sea or even territories within another country with names of its choose. Who cares? Let’s move on to the real important issues.

Let’s not think that they call it the Persian Gulf because we, as Persian, are just “better” and “deserve” it more than others...!!! Its just a name for god sake! And..WE DON’T OWN NAMING RIGHTS FOR IT!

Let’s move on already!

Dear Jahanshah

Please keep this blog  posting on the top for a few months so that it is visible from page one and everyone comming to this site can see it and vote.

Also it would be good if IC had its own permanent posting on the first page to point the visitors to this important issue

Thank you

Google Fraudster Stooges

I have voted for the name Persian Gulf and sent the link to as many people as I could and asked the to do the same.

However I do not believe that we are dealing with a fair and non bias organisation here or even competing on a level ground with Arab thieves.

Otherwise why should Google remove the name of Persian Gulf from its maps when clearly 76% of its users were in favour of the name Persian Gulf and why keeping this petition open and wait for the number to turn around and then rush to commit this fraud. And any way who have made Google the authority to decide what name should be given to which part of the world Atlas.

I believe the stooges on Google executive board are more interested in who  actually pays them by investing in their firm than they have ever been about fairness or even public opinion and with all that cheap oil money from Arabs we all know which way those Google stooges will turn.

That is why I believe that we need to up the game and raise a formal complaint against Google for committing a fraud and ignoring international laws by poking its nose where it is not welcome and has no jurisdiction.

We can make a complaint to the National Geographical society or a similar body.

Please update us with your suggestions as we need to beat Gstoogles at their own game

as many as computers

Yes, the voting has been going for a few years. every computer one vote. I ve voted before, but did it just now and it took it, i guess, beacuse it is a new computer.

thanks for heads up

I wear an Omega watch

I have voted . . .

Siavash jan;

I voted a long time ago.  Thanks for posting this, it has been going around for sometime.  Those who have not voted, should take a few minutes to vote.

It is up to us to preserve our heritage.