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COP jaan I agree. I just didn't want IRI to take "credit"!

Sure I agree Egypt has the same fears that we had and continue to have with the Sharia law and so forth.  Perhaps we're one step ahead of them (30 years ahead) and our Islamic Republic and the Sharia law that came with it is on its way down!

I'm just saying we should pay attention to how Islamic Republic is trying to fish from muddy waters and take credit for Egypt but it has all the potentials to backfire.

PS, when I was in college I remember Egyptians on campus protesting Saddat and having rallies.  One of their slogans was Down, down with Saddat!  The way they sing it I can still sing it! They didn't say one down, it had to be 2 and singing!  Sing it; down down with saddat!

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Esfand jon

Be that as it may, the prospects of democracy in places like Egypt and Iran, at least for the time being, are rather dim. I guess that's the essence of this discussion. This is a great chance for Egypt to erect a democratic system based on the rule of law and principles of civility - only if they don't screw it up, like Iranians did. Truley, it does not matter that they are a muslim nation.

I know Muslims like other humans cherish a safe and civil living environment that respects individual freedom while adhering to certain principles of human decency. The trouble rears its ugly head when those who think islam is the only entity that offers that come to power.

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COP jaan "Taliban" does not receive aid from IRI, "warlords" do!

During Taliban "war lords" (remember Northern Alliance?) received aid from Islamic Republic.  Due to the poverty and ignorance in Afghanistan people become warlords and they don't care who they get their money from, some even from US and NATO. It's their only skill.

Islamic Republic gives bags of money to Karzai (remember his admission recently?) and bags of money to warlords here and there.  Yes some warlords may be Taliban but they're not going to continue and receive aid from IRI if they come to power.

In Egypt there are financial supporters not related in any form to IRI.  Like Ireland and IRA when their aid came from all over the world.

So there is no foot hold in Egypt for Islamic Republic.  The only foot hold is Iran itself for domestic consumption claiming Egypts uprising against US and Israel and Islam in action.  Like their boasting of their Military "prowlace" to the domestic audience!  

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Not so sure

True that the Islmic regime has less influence in sunni nations, but Talibans now receive aid from them simply because it fits the model to oppose US presence and influence. IR and Taliban were fierce enemies before. Same difference in Egypt.

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Islamic Republic does not have any influence in Egypt. Zero!

Al-Qaeda's number 2, Alzahwari is it? is Egyptian and I believe one of the founders of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, if not a founder but someone higher up which was jailed after Saddat's assasination and later released. 

Now you all know that Al Qaeda shoots Islamic Republic's shadow anywhere they can find them!  Islamic Republic does not have any influence in any of the Sunni countries. 

Whatever mess Egyptian go through as a result of Sharia law and crap like that would be of their own making with zero influence from Islamic Republic.  If anything they'll try to do the opposite of whatever our Islamic Republic does!

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I agree COP

IRI does not want democracy in the region and prefers an Islamic dictatorship to a pro western dictatorship. Some Iranians get over excited about Egypt as if they forgot what happened in Iran. My take is that if it is going to be a dictatorship in any middle east country, a pro western one is preferrable because personal freedom is more protectecd, women have more rights and sevearl other reasons.

Basically what this islamist moron is trying to say is....

that this biggest fraud of the 20th century, the so called "political Islam", has well past it's sell by day. It's main customers, namely  the politically misinformed masses and western Intelligence Agencies have given up any hope on political islam for their own very different reasons.  

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Well, Anahid

I'd really like for me to be wrong on this, but knowing the grip this religion has on people, it is a possibility.

Again, the Islamic Regime , in my mind, is the wild card here. It would be naive to think they are not interested in the Egyptian outcome. They want a system in Egypt that would be anti-Israel and hence chaos in the region and hence economic hardship for the West so they can keep up their assualt on reason and civility. It is not to the Islamic Regime's advantage to have democracy ANYWHERE, let alone in their own neighborhood.

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COP, A coworker of mine has been saying what you wrote

Wow, COP, you wrote:" I am willing to bet good money that the Islamic regime in Iran has
pumped a lot of money and resources into the Brotherhood in support of
their regional ISLAMIC powerhouse ambitions.", that is what a coworker of mine has been saying for past couple days. He knows all the news and is great source for me to ask about what is happening anywhere in the world. Except his ideas are to my right but then when there are facts, it does not matter.

COP, so according to what you say, leader or no leader, prospects of democracy are not good in Egypt. Is that right?

Anahid Jaan

I am no expert, but I am afraid that the very reason there's no obvious "leader" for the Egypt uprising might give way for fundamental groups like Mulim Britherhood to establish a power base there. This. in essence, will mean that it doesn't matter that there's no religious figurehead like Khomeini to "lead", it will still result in the creation of a regime that will be redical and bent on the enforcement of backward ideology that Iranians have experienced for 32 years (nevermind the 14 centuries before that).

The west keeps saying that the Brotherhood is not strong and will not play a pivotal role in what will become of Egypt's political landscpae - I am not so sure about that. I am willing to bet good money that the Islamic regime in Iran has pumped a lot of money and resources into the Brotherhood in support of their regional ISLAMIC powerhouse ambitions.

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Thanks COP, also who are political leaders in Egypt?

Thanks Cost-of-progress, I believe it is good that Egyptians don't have any one like Khomeini. My question is do they have any one like Moussavi and Karroubi? does anybody on IC have a good analyis of Egyptian political leaders or those who might become leaders? If there is already a blog that discusses this, can someone provide a link?

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That is an advantage to not have an anti nationalist mullah as their "leader".

It is an advantage to not have a so called leader who puts his faith ahead of his country, to push for barbaric "laws" forced upon his people.  When did Islam ever lead to anything good anyway? Wake up people.

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