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Corinne True's "prophecy"

No Abdallah, I was not chasing the gunpowder! I was looking for the source of Corinne True's claim that Abdu'l-Baha said:

“We are on the eve of the battle of Armageddon referred to in the 16th
chapter of Revelations. The time is two years hence, when only a spark
will set aflame the whole of Europe. The social unrest in all
countries, the growing religious skepticism antecedent to the
millennium, already here, will set aflame the whole of Europe as is
prophesied in the 1st of Daniel and in the Book of John. Before 1917 kingdoms will fall and cataclysms will rock the earth. Then all nations shall be as one faith,
all men as brothers, and these fruitless strifes and ruinous wars shall
pass away and the most great peace shall come; and man shall not glory
in this, that he loves his country, but rather in that he loves his
kind.”

True said this in 1914, therefore the letter that Abdu'l-Baha sent to Mr Canegie, which you asked about, cannot have anything to do with what Corinne True wrote, and it also does not have anything about cataclysms in 1917.  The remainder of the letter to Carnegie is printed in Star of the West, in 1915, as I indicated. 

If you read what I wrote in my blog entry again, I think it will be clear. I found that True's report is a mishmash of mistakes, words Abdu'l-Baha did say in other contexts, words of Baha'u'llah, and imagination. 

~~ Sen

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What I can do, is keep my arm
from bringing others any harm.
How can I give the enviers ease?
They are themselves their own disease.
(Sa'di, Gulestan 1:5)

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Did Abdulbah truly prophesied ww1 or 2 ???

Thanks Mr. Sen McGlinn,

As I understand in your research //senmcglinn.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/1917-and-all-that/you were looking for words "gunpowder magazine, spark ..etc" which was attributed to Abdulbaha in " Baha'ullah and  the new Era " although you couldn't find them in any of Abdulbaha's speeches( while he was in USA ) any where he spoke,

 in your respond to me since you are acknowledging that,these words were indeed used in this letter(future prophecy) to Mr. Carnegie, why didnt you conclude this very important reference in to your research paage ? was there any reason  ??

 Important question is where is the rest of the letter ?

 what you wrote was only half of letter where is the rest ? since you wrote "The original may have the date of composition on it." I would guess you are not reading from copy of original ,and reading form star of west . 

I am wondering is it what you wrote, that's all that is reflected from this letter in star of west ??

BTW, I Have a copy of written content of original dated May 1st 1915, In that letter Abdulbah mentioning that: he indeed said these words (gunpowder, magazine,..etc) in his speech while he was visiting US to warn the world is it possible you overlooked any docoment ?

and also what you conclude of this letter as whole is not perfect either, impotant two point are missing ,if you want I can sent you a link of this letter.

thanks again

Abdu'l-Baha on WW1

Hi Abdallah,

The words you cite are from a letter Abdu'l-Baha wrote to Andrew Carnegie. A translation by Ahmad Sohrab done in May 1915 was published in Star of the West vol 6 no 11, September 27 1915. The published version differs in some unimportant details from the one you have posted.

I find it interesting that Abdu'l-Baha refers not only to the danger of militarism in Europe (which by 1915 or 1914 had already exploded) but also to the possibility - which could still be averted by effort - that racial antipathy might be added to the mix. It's not hard to see in this, Abdu'l-Baha's awareness that early fascism (in the sense it existed before WW1, as a nationalist and populist middle way between communism and capitalism) could evolve in a racist direction, as it did in forms such as Aryan superiority and antisemitism.  The letter to Carnegie begins with a remark which might enable it to be dated :

" O thou illustrious soul! O thou the great pillar of the palace of universal peace!
It is some time since I intended to correspond with thee, but there was no intermediary between us. Now that his excellency, Mr. Topakyan, has made this possible through his kindly suggestion, I write thee this epistle; for truly I say thou art the lover of limonite and one of the founders of universal peace. ... "

HH Topaykan was the Ottoman Consul-General in New York and presumably conveyed the letter to Carnegie. The original of the letter also exists, in the archives in Haifa, having turned up in England in the late 1940s. I haven't found it published in Persian, but somebody else may remember seeing it. The original may have the date of composition on it.

Then Abdu'l-Baha says " Today the most great service to the kingdom of God is the promotion of the principle of the unification of man kind and the establishment of universal peace." and praises Carnegie for using his wealth to this end, and continues:

" All the leaders and statesmen of Europe are thinking on the plane of war and the annihilation of the mansion of humanity, but thou art thinking on the plane of peace and love and the strengthening and reinforcement of the basis of the superstructure of the human world.  They are the heralds of death, thou art the harbinger of life. The fonndations of their palaces are unstable and wavering and the turrets of their mansions are tottering and crumbling, but the basis of thy structure is firm and unmovable.

While I was journeying throughout America and Europe, I cried before all the meetings, conventions, and churches "O ye noble friends! The world of huinanity is facing in the Future a most portentous danger and supreme calamity.

The continent of Europe has become like unto a gunpowder magazine and arsenal, under which are hidden combustible materials of the most inflammatory nature. Its combustion will  be dependent upon the sudden and unexpected enkindling of one tiny spark which shall envelop the whole earth with a world-wide conflagration, causing the total collapse of European civilization through the furious, wild, raging, fiery tongues of war. Therefore, O ye well-wishers of the world of humanity, endeavor by day and by night so that these inflammable materials may not come in touch with the burning fires of racial antipathy and hatred!"

Today the life of mankind and its attainment to everlasting glory depend on its display of effort and exertion in accord with the principles of his holiness Baha'u'llah; for his first and fore most teaching consists of the oneness of the world of humanity. He says: "We are all the sheep of God. His Highness, the Almighty, is the real Shepherd and kind to all the sheep. Why then should we be unkind toward each other?" Another of his most great institutes deals with the subject of universal peace, the establishment of which would be conducive to the well-being and progress and tranquillity of the commonwealth of man. "

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What I can do, is keep my arm
from bringing others any harm.
How can I give the enviers ease?
They are themselves their own disease.
(Sa'di, Gulestan 1:5)

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Abbas Effendi predicted the formation of IsraHELL in 1897

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Coming right off the heels of the First International Zionist Congress held in Basle, Switzerland in 1897. Coincidence? Nope.

Here you go

(The Light of Divine Guidance, Vol. I, p. 54)

Buy new glasses Faryar. Your current ones fail you...

(The Light of Divine Guidance, Vol. I, pp. 53-56)

11 February 1934

Dear Baha'i Brother,

I am charged by the Guardian to thank you for your letter of
Jan. 30th as well as for the enclosed pamphlet containing the
address delivered by Herr Hitler on Oct. 14th, 1933, on the
subject of Germany's attitude towards peace, all of which he read
with deepest care and sustained interest.  He wishes me to convey
to you and to all the members of your German National Assembly
and through them to all the followers of the Faith in Germany his
views on the present conditions in that land, and particularly in
their relation to the nature and scope of the Baha'i activities
of our German believers.

At the outset it should be made indubitably clear that the
Baha'i Cause being essentially a religious movement of a
spiritual character stands above every political party or group,
and thus cannot and should not act in contravention to the
principles, laws, and doctrines of any government.  Obedience to
the regulations and orders of the state is indeed, the sacred
obligation of every true and loyal Baha'i.  Both Baha'u'llah and
Abdu'l-Baha have urged us all to be submissive and loyal to the
political authorities of our respective countries.  It follows,
therefore, that our German friends are under the sacred
obligation to whole-heartedly obey the existing political regime,
whatever be their personal views and criticisms of its actual
working.  There is nothing more contrary to the spirit of the
Cause than open rebellion against the governmental authorities of
a country, specially if they do not interfere in and do not
oppose the inner and sacred beliefs and religious convictions of
the individual.  And there is every reason to believe that the
present regime in Germany which has thus far refused to trample
upon the domain of individual conscience in all matters
pertaining to religion will never encroach upon it in the near
future, unless some unforeseen and unexpected changes take place.
And this seems to be doubtful at present.

For whereas the friends should obey the government under
which they live, even at the risk of sacrificing all their
administrative affairs and interests, they should under no
circumstances suffer their inner religious beliefs and
convictions to be violated and transgressed by any authority
whatever.  A distinction of a fundamental importance must,
therefore, be made between spiritual and administrative matters.
Whereas the former are sacred and inviolable, and hence cannot be
subject to compromise, the latter are secondary and can
consequently be given up and even sacrificed for the sake of
obedience to the laws and regulations of the government.
Obedience to the state is so vital a principle of the Cause that
should the authorities in Germany decide to-day to prevent the
Baha'is from holding any meeting or publishing any literature
they should obey and be as submissive as our Russian believers
have thus far been under the Soviet regime.  But, as already
pointed out, such an allegiance is confined merely to
administrative matters which if checked can only retard the
progress of the Faith for some time.  In matters of belief,
however, no compromise whatever should be allowed, even though
the outcome of it be death or expulsion.

There is one more point to be emphasized in this connection.
The principle of obedience to government does not place any
Baha'i under the obligation of identifying the teachings of his
Faith with the political program enforced by the government.  For
such an identification, besides being erroneous and contrary to
both the spirit as well as the form of the Baha'i message, would
necessarily create a conflict within the conscience of every
loyal believer.

For reasons which are only too obvious the Baha'i philosophy
of social and political organization cannot be fully reconciled
with the political doctrines and conceptions that are current and
much in vogue to-day.  The wave of nationalism, so aggressive and
so contagious in its effects, which has swept not only over
Europe but over a large part of mankind is, indeed, the very
negation of the gospel of peace and of brotherhood proclaimed by
Baha'u'llah.  The actual trend in the political world is, indeed,
far from being in the direction of the Baha'i teachings.  The
world is drawing nearer and nearer to a universal catastrophe
which will mark the end of a bankrupt and of a fundamentally
defective civilization.

From such considerations we can well conclude that we as
Baha'is can in no wise identify the teachings of Baha'u'llah with
man-made creeds and conceptions, which by their very nature are
impotent to save the world from the dangers with which it is
being so fiercely and so increasingly assailed.  The Guardian
hopes that these brief explanations will be sufficient to guide
our German National Assembly in their efforts to safeguard and
promote the interests of the Faith, and that through them they
will be given a new vision of the Cause and a fresh determination
to carry forward its message to the world at large.
With greetings and best wishes to you and to all the friends
in Germany,...

[From the Guardian:]
Dear and valued co-worker:
I wish to add a few words in loving appreciation of your
strenuous, your intelligent and devoted efforts for the spread
and consolidation of our beloved Faith.  May the Almighty bless
your endeavours, deepen your understanding of the essentials and
requirements of our beloved Cause, and enable you in these
difficult and challenging days to promote its interests and
consolidate its institutions,
Your true brother, Shoghi

where is this from?

You have not given any reference or link for authenticity.

Please give refernce

thank you 

Did Abdulbah prophesied ww1 ???

Thanks Mr. Sen McGlinn for your surprise visit and clarification,

how ever, I already did admit that I had unintentionally mixed up two predictions,

any way,than in your opinion how much of these words blew which attributed to abdulbaha about 1914 ww1 are correct and which parts are not correct and or possibly baseless?

or, would you approve that these words totally aren't of abdulbaha's at all ?:

Oh,dear friends! the world of humanity is facing in the future a most portentous danger  and supreme calamity. the continent of Europe has become like unto a gunpowder magazine and arsenal. under which are hidden combustible materials combustion will be dependent upon the sudden and unexpected enkindlement of one tiny spark which shall envelop the whole earth with a world wide conflagration causing the total collapse of European civilization through the furious wild raging.fiery tongues of war. therefore, o ye well-wishers of the world of humanity . endeavor by day and by night so that these inflammable materials may not come in touch with the burning fire of racial antipathy and hatred."

thanks again for your effort and research Mr.McGlinn

prophecy of WW1

Hi abdAllah

Actually I do locate the source of those words on my blog entry,

//tinyurl.com/Bahai1917

it's about halfway down. It's not authentic Bahai scripture, because there are no  Persian notes of what was said, just English notes of what the interpreter said Abdu'l-Baha was saying. 

However as I point out in the blog entry, Abdu'l-Baha said very similar things in Tablets of the Divine Plan and spoke about the danger of the Balkans igniting Europe in several places.

The words I was tracking down in that blog entry are those printed in Esslemont's book Baha'u'llah and the New Era:

:“We are on the eve of the battle of Armageddon referred to in the 16th
chapter of Revelations. The time is two years hence, when only a spark
will set aflame the whole of Europe. The social unrest in all
countries, the growing religious skepticism antecedent to the
millennium, already here, will set aflame the whole of Europe as is
prophesied in the 1st of Daniel and in the Book of John. Before 1917 kingdoms will fall and cataclysms will rock the earth."

I have dmonstrated that this is like the 'whispering game' story, where the words are distorted as they are passed from one person to another. The last sentence is baseless (and so is what Corinne True added to her version, predicting the Most Great Peace by 1917). But Abdu'l-Baha was certainly talking about the Balkan danger, European militarism and the coming war while he was in North America.  

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What I can do, is keep my arm
from bringing others any harm.
How can I give the enviers ease?
They are themselves their own disease.
(Sa'di, Gulestan 1:5)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
//senmcglinn.wordpress

Return of Jews to Israel predicted in Bible & Quran.

The return of the Jews to the Holy Land is an age old prohecy from

the Bible

 All Jews return from exile to Israel (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5)

as well as the Quran.

THE QUR'AN SAYS:

"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]." 

 So actually the return of the Jews and formation of Israel was predicted in the Bible as wel as the Holy Quran.

Abdul Baha's statement jis based on these christian as well as Islamic prophecies.

or did't you know.

faryarm 

you are right ,got little mix up

 you are right faryar I got them mixed up, Sen researched about failed 1917 =1335 Bahaullah prophecy he wrote :

" the ‘1917 prophecy’ I am looking at is printed in Baha’u'llah and the New Era, which means that it has been translated into many languages and become part of the Bahai lore around the world. Baha’u’llah and the New Era is also included in the search engine Ocean, so it appears ‘official’ and is widely used. As of today (6 February), this prophecy is on the wikipedia page for “Bahai prophecies.” As such it is used by skeptics as an example of failed prophecy on the part of Abdu’l-Baha. One could of course argue that 1917 was an important year in world history, and rather cataclysmic,"

than he proved that Bahaullah never said such to begin with, therefore based on his finding what is written in "Bahaullah and  NEW ERA" is baseless.

sorry about mixing them up. 

Egyptian case

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The Egyption Supreme court has finally granted them the right to have ID cards...

The Egyptian Supreme Court initially turned down the request to issue exclusive ID cards to you Baha'is and on solid legal bases and arguments. Then through your intense Washington and Western European taxpayer & privately funded lobby efforts, you had the hand of the Egyptian government twisted hard enough to get it to backtrack and grant your stinkin exclusive ID cards. Since Egypt receives major financial subsidies annually from the United States, its only major industry being tourism, it isn't difficult to see through the political farce and pork barrell parti-baazi that had the Egyptian government and Egyptian Supreme Court back-flip 180 degrees from its original position. And of course Egypt is a corrupt dictatorship where under the table anything can happen, including governments and the highest legal bodies of the land miraculously changing their earlier, definitive rulings. And that is the only way you got your way here; not through the goodness of the Egyptian court or government, but by blatant international political and financial corruption and arm twisting.

@ ABDALLAH - Abdu'l-Bahá predicted the formation of Israel

Mr. AbdAllah read this also : This Baha'i Mulla (Abdul Baha) also predicted the formation of Israel.

//jewbahais.blogspot.com/2008/11/abdul-bah-pr...

Abdallah, the Reference is correct and confirmed.

Perhaps you may be refering to another quote?  

Pleese refer to 

//reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/PUP/pup-113.htm...

These talks are well documented and published Talks; This one in particular is in the Bahai refernce library and not the "1917" prophecy in question.

It is part of a talk given by Abdul Baha on 26 October 1912 at a Hotel in Sacramento, California and Sen also refers to and confirms its existence.

"The issue of paramount importance in the world today is international peace. The European continent is like an arsenal, a storehouse of explosives ready for ignition, and one spark will set the whole of Europe aflame, particularly at this time when the Balkan question is before the world.

Even now war is raging furiously in some places, the blood of innocent people is being shed, children are made captive, women are left without support, and homes are being destroyed. Therefore, the greatest need in the world today is international peace. The time is ripe. It is time for the abolition of warfare, the unification of nations and governments. It is the time for love. It is time for cementing together the East and the West."

Historical events during that time point to the fact that Abdul Baha must ahve had some sense of a major upheaval in the world; one that would come to HIs own door step in Haifa Palestine; because upon on his return back to Haifa, he sends home all the pilgrims and decreases the number of Bahais in the area.

In anticipation of the event, he plants corn in every available field and stores grain forthat "rainy" day.

Well, that rainy day arrived in Palestine, when World War I broke out and the Holy Land was plundered by invading German and British armies.

The outcome of which threatened the population with disease and famine.

This is when Abdul Baha's foresight saved the population from famine and hunger; the Grain was used to feed the hungry.

For this The British Victors in recognition of his humanitarian "service" honoured  him with the title of Sir; A reluctant title, which he only accepted as a matter of respect and never used in his lifetime. This Title has of course become a favourite of Anti Bahai campaigns. 

faryar

Yes, words of Abdul-Baha...

“Today the European continent is like an arsenal. It is a storehouse of explosives, ready for just a spark, and one spark could set aflame the whole of Europe, particularly at this time, when the Balkan question is before the world.” The Promulgation of Universal Peace, Pages 376-380

and again in Tablets of the Divine Plan, Pages 21-23

Baha'u'llah's reference to two wars on the banks of the Rhine, to the lamentations of Berlin, and to a popular revolution in Tehran, are all found in the Kitab-i-Aqdas

After the First World War Abdu'l-Baha made reference to a second world war, promised that the "movement of the left" would grow in importance, and stated that the Balkans would continue to be unstable (Advent of Divine Justice, 89)

Both Baha'u'llah and Abdu’l-Baha on many occasions foretold the coming of the Great War of 1914–1918 (Baha'u'llah and the New Era, Pages 243-244)

Mona 

A good example of distortion

A good example of distortion is right here in your statement: 

"Loyalty to corrupt and totalitarian systems of government "

where as the Bahai principle is to loyalty to any government, where ever a Bahai resides; but loyalty does not mean that Bahais gave up thier personal beliefs and practices.

Can anyone imagine, what Bahais would be be accused of,  and how much more persecution they would suffer, if they were not obligated by this principle of loyalty and non partisanship.

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"The principle of obedience to government does not place any 
Baha'i under the obligation of identifying the teachings of his 
Faith with the political program enforced by the government.  For such an identification, besides being erroneous and contrary to both the spirit as well as the form of the Baha'i message, would necessarily create a conflict within the conscience of every loyal believer." 

"how could the Baha'is have survived in Latin-America and Africa under the regimes they did?"

The same way they have survived the last 160 years in Iran; in South Africa under the Apartheid, In Egypt, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, China, and  the soviet union.

Under Muhammad Reza Shah, they were loyal, but refused to participate in the mandatory "RASTAKHIZ" political party.

Under the South African Apartheid Regime, they were loyal citizens, but refused to compromise their principle of Race Unity; White and Black Bahais regular met together.

Recently in Egypt , they refused to lie about their religion in order to get Govt ID cards, despite the order to do so. They stood by Principle and refused to lie.

The Egyption Supreme court has finally granted them the right to have ID cards.

Under the Islamic Republic, The Bahai Faith and its administrative bodies were banned. The Bahais complied,but refused to stop practicing their faith; when it came to forceful recantation of their beliefs and faith under arrest, imprisonment and threat of execution, they stood by principle and most refused to recant their faith.

Consistency and stand on the truth of one's belief has its rewards.

But that does not make people like you very happy, it exposes your hopeless, empty opposition and your spiritual destitute. 

Sophia, the one who is kidding is the one whose "words never fails to expose them." 

Say hi to Nima. 

faryarm

Abdulbaha prophecy of WW1, true or false ?

 thanks Mr. Faryar

If you know Mr. Sen Mcglinn (Bahai researcher NZ),he has researched about these words and found nothing to support these words to be of AbdulBaha,

"The European continent is like an arsenal,
a storehouse of explosives ready for ignition,
and one spark will set the whole of Europe aflame,
particularly at this time
when the Balkan question is before the world"

//senmcglinn.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/1917-and-all-that/

is there any thing that he missed you think ? if he did pleas clear these to me.

thanks

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1912 ,Abdul-Baha on War in Europe.

Abdul-Baha, the son of Baha'u'llah, after being freed by the young turks rebelion in Palestine in 1908 , travelled to the west. In 1912 He arrived in New York to attend the Mohonk Peace conference; In many of his meetings he spoke of the need for an international agreement and peace, warning that Europe is an armed camp.

As early as 1875 'Abdu'l-Bahá wrote that all the sovereigns of the world must make a binding treaty, what he called a "Most Great Covenant." In this peace pact the borders of every nation should be clearly fixed, the principles of international relations should be definitely settled, the amount of armaments should be agreed upon, and all international agreements and obligations should be ascertained. If any government later violates any provision, then all the governments on Earth and all humanity must unite to make it submit. In this way the sick body of the world may recover from its ills and remain safe and secure. During his tour of America on October 26, 1912 in Sacramento, California, 'Abdu'l-Bahá prophetically warned of an imminent European war.

The issue of paramount importance in the world today
is International Peace.
The European continent is like an arsenal,
a storehouse of explosives ready for ignition,
and one spark will set the whole of Europe aflame,
particularly at this time
when the Balkan question is before the world.7

Here is the entire Talk given on 

25 October 1912

Talk at Hotel Sacramento
Sacramento, California

In 1914 'Abdu'l-Bahá warned that nations were increasing their military and naval budgets, forcing other nations into a crazy competition because of their supposed interests. The duty of nations is to check aggressors rather than remain neutral; world unity requires that every other nation unite against any aggressor. During the World War he lived at his home in Haifa while he encouraged establishing spiritual assemblies in Persia and America as elected bodies to supervise publications, education, and devotional services. After the war 'Abdu'l-Bahá received a letter from the executive committee of the Central Organization for a Durable Peace at The Hague. In his reply he warned that the League of Nations was incapable of establishing universal peace, and he described the stronger plan of his father Bahá'u'lláh that called for the elected representatives of all nations to choose a Supreme Tribunal. If any government should be negligent, then all the rest of the nations using the Supreme Tribunal should rise up against it. 'Abdu'l-Bahá lamented that the noble purposes of the League of Nations would not be fulfilled, though he supported its efforts. In a second letter to the committee in July 1920 he wrote:

Today the most important problem
in the affairs of the world of humanity
is that of the Universal Peace,
which is the greatest means
contributing to the very life and happiness of mankind.
Without this most luminous reality
it is impossible for humanity to attain to actual comfort and proficiency. 

I hope this answers your question

best

faryar 

another prophecy ????

Mr. faryar

Didn'T Mr. Abdullah also predicted WW1, 2 years befor war began ?

do you also have record of that prophecy? thanx

at least you're all consistent

"This further proves that Bahais Have been Absolute and Consistent

in their stand on Principles.

This loyalty to government and law of the state, was true under Hitler, True under the Pahlavis relative freedom, and True under Khomeini, all the way up to today's brutal Khamenei Regime. 

Dear Shepesh, with all due respect but faryar is right.

As Bahais we should provide correct information for the fair minded readers ,when this person posts wrong and poisonous information about the bahai faith. I believe faryar is right since not too many of our dear hamvatanan would go to find the right information.

keep up the good work faryar jan, I am very busy not able to be doing it.

Tahirih

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The Guiding Vision of Shoghi Effendi;One Year before World War 2

Then in 1938, One Year before World War II

Shoghi Effendi, The Great Grand son of Baha'u'llah, the translator, the interpreter and the Guardian of the Bahai faith in a letter to American Bahais, wrote in no uncertain terms about the coming of another Great World conflagration, The Second World War.

"....The world is moving on. Its events are unfolding ominously and with bewildering rapidity. The whirlwind of its passions is swift and alarmingly violent. The New World (USA) is being insensibly drawn into its vortex.

The potential storm centers of the earth are already casting their shadows upon its shores. Dangers, undreamt of and unpredictable, threaten it both from within and from without. Its governments and peoples are being gradually enmeshed in the coils of the world’s recurrent crises and fierce controversies.

The Atlantic and Pacific Oceans are, with every acceleration in the march of science, steadily shrinking into mere channels. The Great Republic of the West  (USA) finds itself particularly and increasingly involved.

Distant rumblings echo menacingly in the ebullitions of its people. On its flanks are ranged the potential storm centers of the European continent (Germany) and of the Far East. (Japan)

On its southern horizon there looms what might conceivably develop into another center of agitation and danger. (war in the pacific ?)

Then he (1938) well before the start of the War in 1939 and before even the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour in Dec 1941, writes about America's involvement in the War.

"The world is contracting into a neighborhood.

America, willingly or unwillingly, must face and grapple with this new situation. For purposes of national security, let alone any humanitarian motive, she must assume the obligations imposed by this newly created neighborhood."

Shoghi effendi

December 25 1938 

full text

//reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/ADJ/adj-5.html 

The purpose of this, is simply to show the reason and the faith , and why the Bahais are so resolute and firm in their beliefs; as they believe that , there is a Guiding Will much greater than ours as mere mortal humans, and that we are mere instruments of that Will; either for the good of humanity or the opposite; the agents of peace or dissension !

Proof of Bahais Consistent Stand on Beliefs and Principles...

This further proves that Bahais Have been Absolute and Consistent

in their stand on Principles.

This loyalty to government and law of the state, was true under Hitler, True under the Pahlavis relative freedom, and True under Khomeini, all the way up to today's brutal Khamenei Regime. 

Such consistency , steadfastness and belief in the ultimate good, ,in the face of a history of opposition can but be one reason why the Bahai Community is finally gaining the kind of support and admiration from a previously silent public; much to the horror of its enemies, whose actions and words never fails to expose them.

It should be note that the following letter was dated Feb 11 1934, five years before the start of Second World War, and well before Hitler and the Nazis began carrying out  their anti Racist policies, showing their true face.

One can only marvel at Shoghi effendi's foresight and Vision in his wisdom and guidance. He not only was able to see the situation developing , but goes on to forsee the results of what he calls a "Catastrophe".

"The wave of nationalism, so aggressive and 
so contagious in its effects, which has swept not only over 
Europe but over a large part of mankind is, indeed, the very 
negation of the gospel of peace and of brotherhood proclaimed by 

Baha'u'llah."  

In that letter dated Feb 11 1934,

The Guardian of The Bahais Faith writes: 

At the outset it should be made indubitably clear that the 
Baha'i Cause being essentially a religious movement of a 
spiritual character stands above every political party or group, 
and thus cannot and should not act in contravention to the 
principles, laws, and doctrines of any government.  Obedience to 
the regulations and orders of the state is indeed, the sacred 
obligation of every true and loyal Baha'i.  Both Baha'u'llah and 
Abdu'l-Baha have urged us all to be submissive and loyal to the 

political authorities of our respective countries.  

"There is one more point to be emphasized in this connection. 
The principle of obedience to government does not place any 
Baha'i under the obligation of identifying the teachings of his 
Faith with the political program enforced by the government.  For 
such an identification, besides being erroneous and contrary to 
both the spirit as well as the form of the Baha'i message, would 
necessarily create a conflict within the conscience of every 

loyal believer." 

    For reasons which are only too obvious the Baha'i philosophy 
of social and political organization cannot be fully reconciled 
with the political doctrines and conceptions that are current and 
much in vogue to-day.  The wave of nationalism, so aggressive and 
so contagious in its effects, which has swept not only over 
Europe but over a large part of mankind is, indeed, the very 
negation of the gospel of peace and of brotherhood proclaimed by 
Baha'u'llah.  The actual trend in the political world is, indeed, 
far from being in the direction of the Baha'i teachings.  The 
world is drawing nearer and nearer to a universal catastrophe 
which will mark the end of a bankrupt and of a fundamentally 
defective civilization. 

     From such considerations we can well conclude that we as 
Baha'is can in no wise identify the teachings of Baha'u'llah with 
man-made creeds and conceptions, which by their very nature are 
impotent to save the world from the dangers with which it is 
being so fiercely and so increasingly assailed.  The Guardian 
hopes that these brief explanations will be sufficient to guide 
our German National Assembly in their efforts to safeguard and 
promote the interests of the Faith, and that through them they 
will be given a new vision of the Cause and a fresh determination 
to carry forward its message to the world at large. 
     With greetings and best wishes to you and to all the friends 

in Germany,... 

One can only marvel at Shoghi effendi's foresight and Vision in his wisdom and guidance. He not only was able to see the situation developing , but goes on to forsee the results of what he calls a "Catastrophe".

Unfortunately Many German Bahais are known to have been the victims by the Nazis for their beliefs.

I have to thank Zulf110, previously known as Nima Hazini, Wahid Azal, Nur and too many other possible names to mention, for posting this, since it clearly shows the Bahais (this time in war time Germany) history and struggle and peaceful stand against violence;  though the blogger's intentions as always are to DISTORT, be malicious and dishonest.

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