Poll

//www.mpcoc.com/

You don't share any victory that we will have in the fight going on right now in Iran. It's better for you to stop repeating your 30 year nonsense and join our camp. If you don't do it then you are (and will be) viewed as Ahmadinejad's basiji's.

mpcoc

To all those fools who didn't want to vote

I just wanted to tell all those fools who didn't want to vote and thought it to be stupid: Didn't you see that voting had it's effect, and what effect greater than this! The whole system is now in danger of total destruction. I'd LOVE to hear your justifications now. You'll never stop justifying yourself (like Ahmadinejad does!) but DOING something is ALWAYS better than plain talk. History is teaching you a lesson.

You don't share any victory that we will have in the fight going on right now in Iran. It's better for you to stop repeating your 30 year nonsense and join our camp. If you don't do it then you are (and will be) viewed as Ahmadinejad's basiji's.

Don't forget, this fight is for freedom and nothing else. Wake up! I warned you before (look at my previous posts).

who would u vote for?

JJ

who would u vote for and why?

also - what is going on with the election results please?

Sara Sepidzadeh - All Things IRAN

if you don't live in Iran,

if you don't live in Iran, what in the hell makes you think that you should have a "voice" in deciding which of assholes ruins the country for the next 4 years???? If you are sooooo passionate about bringing change to your country in this way, then pack your bags and go live under the rule of "vali faghi". Oh and by the way, the results of the elections were determined about a year ago by those whose opinion matters in the IRI. Hala bebeeneem een Mousavi azizetoon che goli be aab mide too een 4 sal. Beedar sheen.

Voting stations in the US

The voting stations in the US are listed here:
//www.election88.org/

To those who do not want to vote: you have been the real losers for 30 years. Wake up!

Announcement for voters (required documents)

Just received this announcement from Boston Election Committee (note the required documents):

The 10th Presidential Election of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be held at COURTYARD BY MARRIOTT, located at 777 Memorial Drive, Cambridge, MA 02139, in the BOARD Room (THIRD FLOOR), on Friday June 12, 2009, from 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. EST

Please note that all the voters must present at least ONE of the following documents at the time of voting:

1.Birth Certificate issued by the Islamic Republic of Iran
OR
2.Valid Passport issued by the Islamic Republic of Iran

The following requirements must be met for each of the participants in the voting process:

1.Citizen of the Islamic Republic of Iran

2.Date of Birth must be on or before June 12th, 1991 (22nd of Khordad, 1370)

Noormandi!!! Who do you think you're dealing with?

The issue is not ongoing!

I said there has been not one case of anybody losing citizenship for voting for IRI, and not only am I right, you cite two cases that affirm it!

You have at least two legal precendance and a repealed law that affirms it is not a problem to vote. And you call this "ongoing?" That's like saying "Child labor is an ongoing issue"! No it's pretty much a done deal.

Did you not read your own (obviously copied) words? Let me remind you:

Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967)[1], was a United States Supreme Court decision that set an important legal precedent that a United States citizen cannot be deprived of American citizenship involuntarily.

Thus, the court ruled, a section of the Immigration and Nationality Act mandating automatic loss of citizenship for voting in a foreign election was invalid.

Other, similar provisions providing for loss of citizenship for serving in a foreign army, or even swearing allegiance to a foreign country, were similarly invalid unless the action was accompanied by an intent to give up US citizenship.

The statutory provision calling for loss of US citizenship for voting in a foreign election, struck down by the court in this case, was repealed by Congress in 1978 (Public Law 95-432).

All your evidence says it's not a problem. You only have one argument, that you yourself created:

Those Irani's that sign form 989 do renounce their U.S. citizenship

NO!!! Nowhere on the form does it say renounce US citizenship!!!

noormandi

i'm not a pro-voting salesman and i hate to burst your bubble, but your long email doesn't amount to a hill of beans. as you say at the end, the issue is still on-going. there are thousands of expatriates who hold dual citizenship (two passports), whether formal or informal. the united states is well-aware of iranians possessing two passports and travelling back and forth to iran. as long as you don't partake in any activity that violates your oath, as you say, and partaking in that activity is not anatgonistic toward the united states, then you're scott free. voting in iran does not hurt the united states; in fact, you can argue you're exporting democracy. although, you and i know voting is not a prerequisite for democracy but a consequence.

aghaye normandi,

shoma fahmidane engelisitun mesle inke kami eshkal dare. shoma motevajeh nashodid chi paste kardid?

Agent Q, not so fast in LOL - you may lose U.S. citizenship

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4WfeVBdv6o

“The concept of voting in a national election, at least from the perspective of the United States, is considered a basic element of national citizenship…a right reserved only to citizens of the United States. In fact, it is a Federal felony for a non-US citizen to knowingly and willfully vote in a US national election. It is supposed to be a serious matter.

A review of the citizenship requirements from the website of the US Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS) reveals that an applicant for naturalization must, among other requirements, take an oath of citizenship. In that oath, the new US citizen must renounce any foreign allegiance. The actual oath of allegiance is posted below from the CIS website, and it is significantly clear on the issue of renouncing not only allegiance but also “fidelity” to any foreign state or sovereignty. Fidelity in this regard presumably means faithfulness.
Oath of Allegiance
The oath of allegiance is:
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
When one becomes a naturalized US citizen and takes the oath of citizenship, they swear or affirm full allegiance and faithfulness to the United States of America. Historically, from the perspective of citizenship, one could hold allegiance to only one sovereign…one Nation…one country. If one is a United States citizen, that one country is supposed to be the United States of America. Native-born citizens get away easy, they take no legally binding oaths. Naturalized US citizens, however, take that oath.

What does all this mean? Does voting in another country’s election establish allegiance and fidelity to that country? Again, from the US perspective, voting in a US national election is demonstrative of a citizen’s allegiance to his/her country and in fact is considered a civic duty.

When a foreign national voluntarily becomes a naturalized US citizen, they may well retain certain customs and cultural aspects of their homeland, but they renounce political allegiance to that homeland and take full and sole allegiance to America. At least that’s the way it’s supposed to be.

Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967)[1], was a United States Supreme Court decision that set an important legal precedent that a United States citizen cannot be deprived of American citizenship involuntarily.

Beys Afroyim (1893-1984) was a Jewish artist born as Ephraim Bernstein in Ryki, Poland. In 1912 he immigrated to the United States. In 1926 he became naturalized as a U.S. citizen. In 1950 he moved to Israel; being Jewish, Afroyim was automatically granted Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return.[1] He voted in an Israeli election in 1951. In 1960, Afroyim tried to renew his U.S. passport, but the State Department refused on the ground that he had lost his citizenship by voting in a foreign election. Afroyim sued Dean Rusk in his official capacity as Secretary of State and head of the State Department, which is responsible both for issuing passports and for dealing with loss of citizenship.

Thus, the court ruled, a section of the Immigration and Nationality Act mandating automatic loss of citizenship for voting in a foreign election was invalid. Other, similar provisions providing for loss of citizenship for serving in a foreign army, or even swearing allegiance to a foreign country, were similarly invalid unless the action was accompanied by an intent to give up US citizenship. ---Those Irani's that sign form 989 do renounce their U.S. citizenship in order to obtain an Iranian passport. That is intent to give up their US citizenship.---

The statutory provision calling for loss of US citizenship for voting in a foreign election, struck down by the court in this case, was repealed by Congress in 1978 (Public Law 95-432).
--Agent Q this issue is ongoing.--
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4WfeVBdv6o

دروغگو سگ خداس

آقا، این کنتور انتخاباتتون خرابه، ما صد بار به این حاج آقا کروبی رای دادیم هنوز میگه شصت تا. البته از ساکنین ولایتمون وکالت گرفتیم ها، همش مال خودم نیه. فقط سه تاش مال خودمه. کی‌ میپنداشت که یه روزی یه لر ریش پهن آقا رئیس جمهور شه

Yousi joon

You say Iranians in Iran are delusional

I think they're right when they say you're out of touch and don't know which end is up anymore! People in Iran had to deal with these monsters and Yousi joon you ran away. They have the right to vote without being called names or being insulted by the likes of you!

Big Boy, shah pessar,

it's 75% who disagree with Mina khanoom!

Rock the vote!

to vote or not to vote

well, i will not vote b/c i think it's just a scenario like khatami's time to prolong the regime's life. however, there are people that think like soviet union we need a Gorbachev who destroyes the regime from within so they hope for the best and vote. to me that hope is very slim but i can't blame people who hope for it and vote.

ummm...

60% seem to disagree.  :)

Not so fast body

“The concept of voting in a national election, at least from the perspective of the United States, is considered a basic element of national citizenship…a right reserved only to citizens of the United States. In fact, it is a Federal felony for a non-US citizen to knowingly and willfully vote in a US national election. It is supposed to be a serious matter.

A review of the citizenship requirements from the website of the US Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS) reveals that an applicant for naturalization must, among other requirements, take an oath of citizenship. In that oath, the new US citizen must renounce any foreign allegiance. The actual oath of allegiance is posted below from the CIS website, and it is significantly clear on the issue of renouncing not only allegiance but also “fidelity” to any foreign state or sovereignty. Fidelity in this regard presumably means faithfulness.
Oath of Allegiance
The oath of allegiance is:
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
When one becomes a naturalized US citizen and takes the oath of citizenship, they swear or affirm full allegiance and faithfulness to the United States of America. Historically, from the perspective of citizenship, one could hold allegiance to only one sovereign…one Nation…one country. If one is a United States citizen, that one country is supposed to be the United States of America. Native-born citizens get away easy, they take no legally binding oaths. Naturalized US citizens, however, take that oath.

What does all this mean? Does voting in another country’s election establish allegiance and fidelity to that country? Again, from the US perspective, voting in a US national election is demonstrative of a citizen’s allegiance to his/her country and in fact is considered a civic duty.

No to all of them

As long as we have Velayat Faghih, voting is meaningless.

Just look at their blood

Just look at their blood thirsty smirk . Iranians( In Iran) are delusional , the problem is the Islamic Regime.

nothing will change by voting!

they did not allow any anti IRI candidates! wake up!

LOL Noormandy

Iranian Amerians have been voting for years!

There is not one case of anyone losing citizenship over this. Even at the height of the fascist Bush era, this was not a problem.

Do you realize just how bad it would look for the US Government if it did this?

Nicy try.

Are the boycotters that desperate now that they have to spread false information? Shame on you.

U may lose your U.S. Citizenship by voting in IRI elections

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4WfeVBdv6o

سهولت چپاول ثروت

هيچ دوره ای قبل از اين دور انتخابات اينقدر هيجان آور نبود و اين نه بخاطر صلاحيت کسی از کانديد شدگان بلکه سهولت چپاول ثروت اين کشور(ايران) باعث طمع وايجاد شکاف وهمبستگی اين چپاول گران شده وبه شکل بی سابقه ای پتۀ همديکرو روی آب ميندازن وبه مردم ساده وزودباور وخرافاتی ايران که واقعأ در حق آنها مرتبأ ظلم شده نشون ميدن که در اين 30 سال چه کسائی بر اونها حکومت کردند.برنده واقعی اين دور مردم.

I "DO" something even if that has "the tinniest effect"

Thank you JJ for putting this poll together. I'm happy to see still there are Iranians who are man of "ACTION" and not useless "verbal opposition". I'm so sorry for those who see the world as back and white and can't understand the reality out there.

If you don't like the government then "DO" something about it. Don't you realize that 30 years has passed since the revolution and "talking" and cursing has not have little effect.

Natural and organic change comes from inside not outside. Wake up and think outside the box. Shah and MKO are history now. The young generation in Iran thinks they are some species from another planet and laughs at their kid-talk on satellite TVs.

Think forward and get passed your long-passed defeats. This is a brand new world and only "action" can bring change not "talking".

I'll vote to prove that I "DO" something even if that has "the tinniest effect". I wish you could understand that.

To vote or not to vote that is not the question

Once again neo-con loving bomb bomb Iran, supporting population have tehrangels have spoken and I see nothing surprising in what they have got to offer. I watch their TVs from time to time and they are still stuck in the time warp bubble that was pre-revolution Iran. I do not claim IRI is anything close to aspirations of Iranian people far from it. However great people of Iran have fought for more than hundred years for the constitutional revolution, during the 1950s for Dr Mossadeghe’s democratically elected government and today they are still fighting for their rights men and women alike.

I was glad to see the televised debates between the candidates even though they are selected by the system. At last we are capable of sit around a table and face our political opposition on the other side without pointing a gun at each other. There is a new political language and engagement that was never experienced in Iran and scenes of what is happening after every televised debate between the candidates is unlike anything that has ever been seen in Iran.

We do not need another revolution like 1979 or the wishful thinking of Iranian neo-con lovers (i.e. Shah parastha va Mojahedine Khalge) in US that want Iran like Iraq to be bombed to stone-age so that they can go back to Iran and form a government while they are protected by American GI torturing and killing innocent Iranians.

Iran one day will become a democracy and one of the strongest countries in the world, the road to this achievement has never been easy and will not be in future, but it will happen because of Iranian people not some foreign intervention.

On June the 12th I will vote not to endorse IRI but to celebrate more than 100 years of struggle from proud Iranian man and women from Satar Khan to Dr Mosadeghe and student protesters on June of 1999 who came to streets and demanded freedom.

I will vote to keep their memories alive.

Rezaee

Wasn't Mohsen Rezae in charge of 'Sepah Pasdaran'? Participating in killing and torturing others. How can he be a candidate now? His ingnorance angers me, he thinks we all forgot his past?

How many times can one person vote?

Right! Is this poll scientific? is it accurate? what is the precentage of error? how many times can one vote?

Vote result

Iranian.com vote result shows that
%75 of voters still believe moslem clerics will amend what they have destroyed during last 30 years. %50 of these voters, if alive during 1979, had seen khomeini's likeness on the moon. The other 50% have parents who saw Khomeini on the moon. 100% of these %75 have no clue that IRI constitution allows ONLY ONE LEADER where the SELECTED president (Yes, candidates are hand SELECTED by a group of clerics) reports directly and gets his ORDERS directly from the LEADER and no one else.

%25 of total voters have realized that in a dictatorship system the theatrical show of phoney elections is nothing but mere game on who will be allowed to steal during next 4 years.

The vote results on this websites proves the collaboration

between the iranian.com and Islamic Republic of Iran once again, Not. What are people going to accomplish by not voting? Isn't it what AhmadiNejad and his followers want? Or similarly in United States, the rightwingers prefer if people boycott elections because they know their own followers are going to vote for them anyway. Go vote young man, woman. 

How Very interesting!!!

I love polls. They always make it more difficult for bullshitters to sell their fantasies as reality. These results (so far) are a surprise to me.

I would have thought with ALL the vocal presence that the boycotters have on this website, they could convince something more than 25% in a population that should be most hostile to the regime on a website that is inaccessible in Iran. I would have expected closer to 50% boycotting.

I can already hear the excuses and the conspiracy theories though.

Ostaad jan

Whoever wants to use the results, I don't think they even need JJ's permission if its on a public page like this. It will be used at least in blogs and articles, I suspect.

ROCK THE VOTE!

This is amazing voter participation.  I hope this sample is a good representation of the Iranian population...which seems about right.

At the time of writing we have: 

59% - concerned Iranians, who want to take back their country from the brink of disaster;

25% - Shahi/MKO (probably more Shahi since MKO doesn't allow their followers to surf the web - except for MKO sites);

9% - who want to consolidate power and hold Iran and Iranians hostage at all cost with potentially disasterous consequences;

5% - who want change, but have loyalties to the clerical system; and

2% - reformed hardliners who still have loyalties to the guard.

Sounds about right, no?

To all those who are not voting

You who don't want to be a traitor, don't want to be an accomplice to murder, etc.", and Mr. "Ma migim khar nemikayem, palon khar avaz misheh":

You don't want the regime and I understand that. I don't want them either. But what do you actually "DO" to change the situation?? Talking and verbal objection does not mean anything. You can repeat your "shoars" forever but that does not change anything. I hope you understand that. I'll vote for a candidate that can change the current situation in Iran and that is what I consider "DOING" something to improve the situation (even a little).

All the governments, even the most democratic ones have their "set" on rule that they don't want to change. Even US has those "unwritten rules". I can always say I don't want the American government to take side with Jewish lobbies so I don't vote because all of them are alike in that respect. But now you have Obama who takes side with Jewish lobbies but is considered a positive figure because of all other decisions that he is making.

The Islamic government is much much worse and much more hateful BUT right now voting for a candidate who is "less bad" than others is the only action you can take to improve the situation (even very little) or even keep the situation for getting worse.

If you are a man of action then "DO" something and stop "verbal opposition".

Needless to say, I'll vote for Mousavi.